Is Doug Flutie a Hall of Famer? (1 Viewer)

[CalBear]

They play "american football" in american samoan, china, japan, australia, and "europe" (which in the NFLE is primarily Germany). If these leagues have a great player and their is a ballot written into the hall they WILL consider it. It's how the process works.

They don't play "american football" in Canada, or in arenas for that matter. It's a different game.

 

[Bri]

They play "american football" in american samoan, china, japan, australia, and "europe" (which in the NFLE is primarily Germany). If these leagues have a great player and their is a ballot written into the hall they WILL consider it. It's how the process works.

They don't play "american football" in Canada, or in arenas for that matter. It's a different game.

when discussing the lineage of the sport, yes they do.here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_football

It shares origins with, and is similar to (though distinct from) American football.

Canadian football was originally called rugby football, and is a descendant of rugby union football as played in the 1860s and 1870s by the Montreal Football Club and at McGill University. It is from this varsity play that the game now known as American Football entered the United States, as McGill challenged Harvard University to play.

The Canadian Football League was known under various names throughout its history including the Canadian Rugby Football Union, and the Canadian Rugby Union. The Canadian Rugby Football Union, original forerunner to the current Canadian Football League was established in 1884.

As the rules of American football are very similar to Canadian football, the CFL has maintained a close relationship with its American counterpart, the National Football League (NFL).

ETA I'm referring to the worldwide term "american football"

 

[CalBear]

Canadian football was originally called rugby football, and is a descendant of rugby union football as played in the 1860s and 1870s by the Montreal Football Club and at McGill University. It is from this varsity play that the game now known as American Football entered the United States, as McGill challenged Harvard University to play.

Great. So anyone who played pro football in Canada prior to 1874 is worth considering for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. But the game they play there now is not American Football.

 

[Bri]

Canadian football was originally called rugby football, and is a descendant of rugby union football as played in the 1860s and 1870s by the Montreal Football Club and at McGill University. It is from this varsity play that the game now known as American Football entered the United States, as McGill challenged Harvard University to play.

Great. So anyone who played pro football in Canada prior to 1874 is worth considering for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. But the game they play there now is not American Football.

interesting distinction

 

[T Man]

Yes, Moon was a CFL star, but he was inducted due to his NFL accomplishments.  Yes, Jim Kelly was a USFL star, but he was inducted due to his NFL accomplishments. 

The Hall states both leagues accomplishments it does not distinguish. People in this thread can't get over this I guess.

You are technicall correct that the Hall mentions accomplishments in both leagues. But I think its a stretch to make the point that there is no distinguishing between the leagues. THe Hall mentions he went into the CFL where he won 5 Grey Cups. It goes into extreme detail about his NFL experience. Nine Probowls. Nine 3,000 yard seasons. etc.

If you think the mention of the CFL accomplishments was because it was significant, I think you are mistaken.

From the Hall of Fame website:

"Harold Warren Moon . . .Began pro career with CFL’s Edmonton Eskimos, winning five straight Grey Cups. . . Signed with NFL’s Houston Oilers, 1984... Completed 3,988 of 6,823 passes for 49,325 yards, 291 touchdowns, 233 interceptions in 17-season NFL carer. . .Nine 3,000-yard passing seasons was third in league history. . .Named to nine Pro Bowls. . .Had four 4,000-yard passing seasons. All-Pro, 1990…First or second team All-AFC 1988, 1989, 1990…Born November 18, 1956 in Los Angeles, California. "

I guess you could argue that The Hall mentions he was born in Los Angeles in 1956 and played in the NFL. It does not distinguish between the two. So were they equally important in deciding to induct him??

 

[Ron_Mexico]

why does this topic exist ?

 

[Tau837]

If there were NFL teams that played at the same time as AAFC teams, that's fine. At a later date, they all merged into one league. All were part of the lineage of what is today's NFL. Players from that lineage are and should be in the HOF. My intent was not to dispute that. My view is that no one is in the HOF that did not excel in the NFL or in any other league that is part of that NFL lineage.

But your statements are somewhat contradictory in that the CFL and Arena game are from the "american football" lineage.

I used the wrong term in lineage. I meant ancestry. The CFL and Arena league are not ancestors of the NFL. The point I tried to make is that no one is in the HOF that has not excelled in today's NFL or in one of the other leagues that ultimately merged with what is today the NFL. The CFL does not qualify as such a league, nor will it ever do so IMO. And thus no player who dominates the CFL and not the NFL will ever be elected to the HOF.

 

[Borat]

So did you guys decide whether or not Doug Flutie is a Hall of Famer yet?

 

[Reaper]

So did you guys decide whether or not Doug Flutie is a Hall of Famer yet?

He and Testeverde are going in the same class.

 

[Bri]

If there were NFL teams that played at the same time as AAFC teams, that's fine.  At a later date, they all merged into one league.  All were part of the lineage of what is today's NFL.  Players from that lineage are and should be in the HOF.  My intent was not to dispute that.  My view is that no one is in the HOF that did not excel in the NFL or in any other league that is part of that NFL lineage.

But your statements are somewhat contradictory in that the CFL and Arena game are from the "american football" lineage.

I used the wrong term in lineage. I meant ancestry. The CFL and Arena league are not ancestors of the NFL. The point I tried to make is that no one is in the HOF that has not excelled in today's NFL or in one of the other leagues that ultimately merged with what is today the NFL. The CFL does not qualify as such a league, nor will it ever do so IMO. And thus no player who dominates the CFL and not the NFL will ever be elected to the HOF.

please see post 202

 

[Del Griffith]

why does this topic exist ?

Thank you

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Without reading the rest of the thread, the answer is no. And for what it's worth, Warren Moon doesn't belong their either.