'SSOG said:
Andy Reid is giving Norv a run for his money this year.
Norv is 110-116. Andy Reid is 129-84-1. Norv has made the playoffs 4 times in 14 years. Reid has made the playoffs 9 times in 13 years. Norv has 5 losing seasons in his career. Reid has two. Reid has made the conference championship 5 times and the SB once. Turner has made the conference championship once and the SB zero times. Reid took over a bad team and turned it into a perennial powerhouse. Turner took over a powerhouse and underperformed until it slid into irrelevance.
In Awesome's defense, he did specifically say "this year." Reid has had a great career, but "this year" is different.
The question is who is the worst coach, not who is having the worst season. And even if the question were who was having the worst season, the guy coaching the 3-4 Eagles doesn't even merit mentioning. Not when you have Crennel, Rivera, and Gailey to choose from. No, there's no defense- it's just a cheap shot at a coach who at his absolute worst is still mediocre. As I said in the second half of my post, I just can't understand the Andy Reid hate. Maybe it's because he's so terrible at in-game management. In-game management is probably 5% of a coach's job, but it's 95% of what the casual fan sees of a coach's job, so the casual fan always has way too much hate for the coaches who excel in every facet except for in-game management. Turner's sort of the Anti-Reid in that respect- he doesn't make glaring clock management errors, call dumb challenges, waste his timeouts, or forget he has a running game. Instead, he just leaves his teams so unprepared that they continually cough up even properly managed games to inferior opponents.
This thread is obviously hyperbolic. Unless you actually believe Norv Turner is literally
the worst coach ever. Which is silly, because there have been - and will continue to be - coaches much worse than he. Yes, he's not great. He's not even good. But worst coach ever? That's absurd. Just going from recent memory, Josh McDaniels, Rod Marinelli, that Dolphins coach who quit halfway through, Art Shell, Steve Spurrier, Lane Kiffin. Herm Edwards was lousy. Joe Gibbs version 2.0 was awful. Singletary and Nolan terrify SF fans. Romeo Crennel somehow has a job. Kevin Gilbride. Dave Campo, Joe Bugel. Cam Cameron was a wreck in Miami. To even mention a guy who has lasted in the NFL long enough to coach over 200 games and be 6 games under .500 as "the worst coach ever" is taking a cheap shot who at his worst is slightly below average. I don't care how bad you think he is. He's nowhere near being the worst coach ever.
Heck, browse through the Eagles thread. Numerous posters in there have given numerous reasons why Reid isn't so great and needs to be fired. I realize Philly fans can be a fickle bunch but to completely ignore their opinion? I mean, they only follow the team day in and day out. We should dismiss their opinion...because why?
Lastly, I did state this year. Perhaps you missed that part. Which is my fault. Perhaps I was not clear enough when I said "Andy Reid is giving Norv a run for his money this year." But I shouldn't mention just this year. Even though the "worst coach ever" Norv Turner has a record of 3-4. Last year Norv Turner ran his team into the ground and finished with an 8-8 record. Andy Reid coached his ### off and managed to lead the Eagles to...an 8-8 record.
Since the start of 2005 he's averaged less 8.8 wins a season. He's won 2 playoff games. Is that horrible? Hardly. Lots of teams would welcome that. Is it elite? Not in the slightest. Not given the teams he's had.
Andy Reid a top 5 coach? No way. He's not even top 10 at the moment. There are at least 10 other coaches who could do a better job with that team than Reid has. Yes, Reid would be an improvement for the Chiefs, or a few other bottom dwellers. So would Norv. Norv Turner sits Ryan Matthews in favor of Ronnie Brown running and Rivers throwing and he's an idiot. Reid abandons the effective run game in favor of Vick and he's...what, a genius? Both coaches have a lot of issues. Both coaches are making lousy decisions. Puzzling in game management. Terrible preparation. Awful play calling. Both coaches are doing a terrible job with their team. Both coaches need to be fired.
So awesome. Quote of the night.
It baffles you?! WTF? Well isn't that one of the main jobs of a head coach?!?!? The fact that you repeatedly admit his in game management sucks but then just blow it off as no big deal is amazing. As a fan what else is more important? This deficiency, albeit a major one, is the main reason he is 1-4 in those championship games and 0-1 in the Super Bowl. In 14 years he's still making the same mistakes as he was in year one.eta: And I'm not here to say that he's a terrible coach, by no means. Just that he's not as great as everyone on the outside thinks he is. And after 14 years of seeing the same thing week in and week out it's frustrating and we're tired of seeing it And we are ready for a change.
