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Is Now the Time to Sell Calvin Johnson? (3 Viewers)
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Jack White
Footballguy
It appears that the decline has begun, yes.
That said, I'd take a chance that I'm wrong and try to buy low, but his owner is ultra-conservative.
CalBear
Footballguy
Well, I think you're right that you're unlikely to get reasonable value for him in trade. Marx would say that his use-value is higher than his exchange value.
Jack White
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
You have to take that. You could easily turn one of those 1st's back into a piece that will keep you in contention.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Markus P Dub
Footballguy
Redraft .5 ppr league I was offered Lacey & Forsett for Calvin & Ivory. I accepted. My first year owning Calvin and man its been frustrating. The whole offense is bad to watch. I'm sure adjustments will be made and Calvin might get back to his usual bad #### self but I needed RBs in this league. fwiw
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
In redraft ppr I just sent Calvin and Joseph Randle for L Bell
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Why?
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Probably because Bell is typically outscoring both of those guys combined while taking up only one spot in his starting lineup.
And that was without the potential of Randle losing work to Christine Michael, which has at least become a possibility going forward.
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Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Don't get me wrong I like the trade, just wasn't sure if he was speculating that Randle may lose his job.
texansfan80
Footballguy
I did a similar deal last week, traded Calvin and Randle for Antonio Brown.
The A. Brown owner accepted immediately too.
Re-draft
The A. Brown owner accepted immediately too.
Re-draft
cstu
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm not so sure. Stafford missed him twice when he was wide open after beating his man for big gains (one could have been a TD) and came within a foot of scoring in the last game.
I think people are throwing dirt on this guy way too early. He's 30. Stafford is the one that looks like a shell of himself.
Even if this is the case and Johnson is playing like he's 22, the end result is the same.
ryno1980
Footballguy
End result won't be the same once they get through this brutal first-half schedule. Bears, Vikings, Chiefs, Packers, Raiders coming up after this Arizona game. Big games are coming.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Situations change, and sometimes for the better. A player that is in decline (if true) usually doesn't change for the better.
I'm saying that both Stafford and Johnson are in decline. And will stay beaten down in this ####e offense.
MikeHeel
Footballguy
I'm struggling with this one a bit. I have had Calvin on the team for quite some time. He's been good to me.
But I do think he'll improve as the season goes on. Those writing him off are just wrong, IMO. Same folks who wrote off Brady last year. The talent is still there. The OL is lacking, and that makes it hard for him to get the same kind of numbers consistently. I don't think he'll be a top-5 WR going forward, but I do think he has some really good years left in him. And I bet he would pup up top-5 numbers in, say, the Pats offense.
But I have been flirting with trying to trade him (and 2d tier WR) for Brown or Dez for the upside.
But I do think he'll improve as the season goes on. Those writing him off are just wrong, IMO. Same folks who wrote off Brady last year. The talent is still there. The OL is lacking, and that makes it hard for him to get the same kind of numbers consistently. I don't think he'll be a top-5 WR going forward, but I do think he has some really good years left in him. And I bet he would pup up top-5 numbers in, say, the Pats offense.
But I have been flirting with trying to trade him (and 2d tier WR) for Brown or Dez for the upside.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Warhogs
Footballguy
I think you will regret this. That is pretty decent value and Fitz probably gives you about the same numbers IMO.
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
I'm trying to move Calvin and his 1 year left for 2 contract years of Edelman (our league is a contract league, not NFL contracts) but the other owner is really high on Edelman. I hope the numbers get better for Calvin after these first four tough weeks but I'm not really optimistic about it.
I ended up winning my league last year after those moves, and am currently 4-0 and 20 points ahead of 2nd place despite having Lamar and CJA as my rbs going in and having a clunker week 4....scored 211 points week 3 and 89 week 4. Anyway, I've won 13 games in a row since selling Calvin last Novemeber.
Starting to lose patience the Lions are ever going to pull their head out of their #### and use Calvin like they should. Thinking of taking an offer of Lacy straight across for Calvin. Just can't take the frustration any longer. I also wouldn't have to watch that train wreck of team play any longer.
I know I should but I just keep holding out hope that the old Calvin will come back. You know, the one who could win you weeks by himself. Where did that Calvin go? Is he too old to produce like that any longer?
If you're hoping to avoid week after week of a highly talented player being underutilized and not given TD opportunities, trading for Lacy is not your best move.
That said, take that trade!
georg013
Footballguy
Ended up getting exactly what I was asking for:
Traded Calvin Johnson
got
Larry Fitzgerald
2016 1st
2017 1st
Was planning on moving Calvin at the end of the season anyhow, figured there was no harm in doing it now so long as I was appropriately compensated. Fitz satisifes current team needs, the picks allow me to try to replace his production. Not down on Calvin but definitely down on the short term condition of that offense with Stafford and Caldwell.
Traded Calvin Johnson
got
Larry Fitzgerald
2016 1st
2017 1st
Was planning on moving Calvin at the end of the season anyhow, figured there was no harm in doing it now so long as I was appropriately compensated. Fitz satisifes current team needs, the picks allow me to try to replace his production. Not down on Calvin but definitely down on the short term condition of that offense with Stafford and Caldwell.
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Just took Lacy for Calvin in a ppr redraft league. Traded one underutilized player for another.
The General
Footballguy
Anyone made any deals for Calvin after the blow up game? Was wondering what kind of value he has.
Pietaster2
Footballguy
I traded him a week ago for Brandon Marshall in a 1 point PPR redraft. The name "Megatron" still carriers a lot of weight.
The General
Footballguy
I guess so.
I was looking at him in my main league and before I got a chance he got traded -- Megatron and Mark Ingram for Julio.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Sell high (dynasty) has past IMO but he's still got plenty left.
His home/road splits are becoming more and more pronounced
His home/road splits are becoming more and more pronounced
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cheese
Footballguy
Redraft PPR sent Randle and Blount for him today.
Regret that trade now.
ryno1980
Footballguy
Wait, Rueben Randle or Joe Randle? Either way, that's robbery.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
Now is the time to sell Calvin in dynasty. In redraft this could be the start of something nice for the rest of the year.
Uncle Grandpa
Footballguy
If what you say in your last sentence is correct, I think you're probably better off waiting until he strings a few weeks together before selling in dynasty if you're trying to capture the short term high.
