msudaisy26
Footballguy
It could be, but personally I would bet against because it is the Lions. I should rephrase, sell in dynasty, hold in redraft.
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Is Now the Time to Sell Calvin Johnson? (2 Viewers)
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psychobillies
Footballguy
Was offered Charles Clay for him. I think it was a serious offer. Based on that, his value is pretty low. He's got some tough games coming up, along with some easier ones. The worst part of his schedule is over though. I'm definitely going to ride this one out.
Shutout
Footballguy
I thought about selling him and going in a different direction. I wasn't trying to capitalize on any particular thing. I am just tired of having to have an interest in anything Jim Caldwell is a part of.
But when I looked at it closer I saw that even on these weeks where we think of Calvin being ignored and completely misused and seriously underperformed, he still put up 10 or so in ppr. If that is about the worst you can get out of Calvin, that's still pretty valuable. So I hold and just don't bother to watch the games and when I see the box score, I'll hope it was a "good Calvin" day.
But when I looked at it closer I saw that even on these weeks where we think of Calvin being ignored and completely misused and seriously underperformed, he still put up 10 or so in ppr. If that is about the worst you can get out of Calvin, that's still pretty valuable. So I hold and just don't bother to watch the games and when I see the box score, I'll hope it was a "good Calvin" day.
Skoo
Footballguy
I'd say that's a case of someone trying to fleece you as opposed to Megatron's value being that low.
psychobillies
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
If Caldwell & Dumbardi were not such ####es, there would no tough matchups. Stafford would be chucking the ball downfield to Calvin like before these 2 losers arrived.
Markus P Dub
Footballguy
guy in my league trade Calvin straight up for Gurley; .5 ppr redraft
cheese
Footballguy
Would sell if I could get Gurley
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Early this week in a .5 PPR redraft, Calvin was traded away in return for Demaryius Thomas + Carlos Hyde (pretty sure before Hyde came out saying he has a foot bone stress fracture). Knowing the owner who acquired Calvin, his extreme concern about Peyton far outweighs the fact that he also hates Jim Caldwell, LOL.
cstu
Footballguy
Tanton
Footballguy
Did I do a good job? I thought so, but other league mates seemed to think it was fair...some even surprised I traded away Calvin.
cstu
Footballguy
Most of the people here are more forward thinking in dynasty, so yes, you did very, very well.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Think of it in these terms. If you did a start up draft today Sammy and Calvin would go in the same round and personally I would take Sammy first.Did I do a good job? I thought so, but other league mates seemed to think it was fair...some even surprised I traded away Calvin.
To the other trade with Gurley for Calvin. In redraft or dynasty I would add to Calvin to get Gurley.
Milkman
Footballguy
ahhh I don't think Watkins goes in the same round.Think of it in these terms. If you did a start up draft today Sammy and Calvin would go in the same round and personally I would take Sammy first.Did I do a good job? I thought so, but other league mates seemed to think it was fair...some even surprised I traded away Calvin.
To the other trade with Gurley for Calvin. In redraft or dynasty I would add to Calvin to get Gurley.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
DLF ADP October
18 WR Calvin Johnson 30 17.67 17 20 16 0 0 0
19 WR Sammy Watkins 22 18.33 16 21 18 0 0 0
20 QB Aaron Rodgers 31 18.67 21 16 19 0 0 0
21 WR TY Hilton 25 20.67 20 22 20 0 0 0
22 RB Jamaal Charles 28 23.67 24 23 24 0 0 0
23 WR Keenan Allen 23 24.33 26 25 22 0 0 0
24 RB Jeremy Hill 23 24.33 27 19 27 0 0 0
25 WR Allen Robinson 22 26.00 19 28 31 0 0 0
26 TE Travis Kelce 26 26.33 22 29 28 0 0 0
27 WR Brandin Cooks 22
18 WR Calvin Johnson 30 17.67 17 20 16 0 0 0
19 WR Sammy Watkins 22 18.33 16 21 18 0 0 0
20 QB Aaron Rodgers 31 18.67 21 16 19 0 0 0
21 WR TY Hilton 25 20.67 20 22 20 0 0 0
22 RB Jamaal Charles 28 23.67 24 23 24 0 0 0
23 WR Keenan Allen 23 24.33 26 25 22 0 0 0
24 RB Jeremy Hill 23 24.33 27 19 27 0 0 0
25 WR Allen Robinson 22 26.00 19 28 31 0 0 0
26 TE Travis Kelce 26 26.33 22 29 28 0 0 0
27 WR Brandin Cooks 22
Gandalf
Footballguy
Agreed. And also I think Cooks is a bust and Watkins can't stay healthy so I prefer 1-3 more years of Calvin Johnson to those guys. Sorry just my opinion...ahhh I don't think Watkins goes in the same round.Think of it in these terms. If you did a start up draft today Sammy and Calvin would go in the same round and personally I would take Sammy first.To the other trade with Gurley for Calvin. In redraft or dynasty I would add to Calvin to get Gurley.Did I do a good job? I thought so, but other league mates seemed to think it was fair...some even surprised I traded away Calvin.
Gandalf
Footballguy
Yeah I guess I question that data. In a real league there is no way Watkins and Calvin go in the same round
Biabreakable
Footballguy
5397 real drafts Keeper MFL
16. Johnson, Calvin DET WR 14.25 1 190 2106
17. Beckham, Odell NYG WR 15.17 1 354 1323
18. McCoy, LeSean BUF RB 17.28 1 184 2244
19. Hill, Jeremy CIN RB 17.59 1 378 1590
20. Green, A.J. CIN WR 17.62 1 178 2231
21. Cobb, Randall GBP WR 17.72 1 273 2063
22. Gordon, Melvin SDC RB 18.30 1 543 5304
23. Hilton, T.Y. IND WR 20.26 1 190 2141
24. Forsett, Justin BAL RB 22.50 1 339 2292
25. Cooper, Amari OAK WR 22.98 1 541 5331
26. Cooks, Brandin NOS WR 24.24 1 382 2484
27. Graham, Jimmy SEA TE 24.64 1 177 2414
28. Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR 24.84 1 287 2143
29. Miller, Lamar MIA RB 25.15 1 201 2449
30. Gurley, Todd STL RB 26.97 1 544 5295
31. Evans, Mike TBB WR 27.41 1 351 1943
32. Manning, Peyton DEN QB 27.52 1 519 2184
33. Sanders, Emmanuel DEN WR 27.55 1 237 2409
34. Gore, Frank IND RB 27.56 1 357 2923
35. Ingram, Mark NOS RB 29.07 1 260 2420
36. Hopkins, DeAndre HOU WR 29.24 1 285 2339
37. Matthews, Jordan PHI WR 29.26 1 379 2374
38. Abdullah, Ameer DET RB 29.57 1 550 5352
39. Wilson, Russell SEA QB 31.22 1 187 2067
40. Brees, Drew NOS QB 33.39 1 421 2311
41. Morris, Alfred WAS RB 34.33 1 299 2696
42. Yeldon, T.J. JAC RB 34.84 1 667 5321
43. Murray, Latavius OAK RB 35.17 1 310 2841
44. Hyde, Carlos SFO RB 35.28 1 377 2513
45. Watt, J.J. HOU DE 35.47 1 301 369
46. Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB 36.29 1 301 2387
47. Randle, Joseph DAL RB 37.41 1 369 3627
48. Johnson, Andre IND WR 37.75 1 276 3201
49. Tate, Golden DET WR 38.39 1 318 2886
50. Allen, Keenan SDC WR 40.42 1 381 2961
51. Agholor, Nelson PHI WR 41.21 1 546 5319
52. Edelman, Julian NEP WR 41.59 1 304 3029
53. Olsen, Greg CAR TE 44.22 2 241 2992
54. Maclin, Jeremy KCC WR 45.47 1 248 2944
55. Ellington, Andre ARI RB 46.50 1 359 2928
56. Landry, Jarvis MIA WR 47.18 1 374 3161
57. Adams, Davante GBP WR 47.46 1 367 3247
58. Watkins, Sammy BUF WR
Watkins valued significantly less here than in the DLF mocks.
16. Johnson, Calvin DET WR 14.25 1 190 2106
17. Beckham, Odell NYG WR 15.17 1 354 1323
18. McCoy, LeSean BUF RB 17.28 1 184 2244
19. Hill, Jeremy CIN RB 17.59 1 378 1590
20. Green, A.J. CIN WR 17.62 1 178 2231
21. Cobb, Randall GBP WR 17.72 1 273 2063
22. Gordon, Melvin SDC RB 18.30 1 543 5304
23. Hilton, T.Y. IND WR 20.26 1 190 2141
24. Forsett, Justin BAL RB 22.50 1 339 2292
25. Cooper, Amari OAK WR 22.98 1 541 5331
26. Cooks, Brandin NOS WR 24.24 1 382 2484
27. Graham, Jimmy SEA TE 24.64 1 177 2414
28. Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR 24.84 1 287 2143
29. Miller, Lamar MIA RB 25.15 1 201 2449
30. Gurley, Todd STL RB 26.97 1 544 5295
31. Evans, Mike TBB WR 27.41 1 351 1943
32. Manning, Peyton DEN QB 27.52 1 519 2184
33. Sanders, Emmanuel DEN WR 27.55 1 237 2409
34. Gore, Frank IND RB 27.56 1 357 2923
35. Ingram, Mark NOS RB 29.07 1 260 2420
36. Hopkins, DeAndre HOU WR 29.24 1 285 2339
37. Matthews, Jordan PHI WR 29.26 1 379 2374
38. Abdullah, Ameer DET RB 29.57 1 550 5352
39. Wilson, Russell SEA QB 31.22 1 187 2067
40. Brees, Drew NOS QB 33.39 1 421 2311
41. Morris, Alfred WAS RB 34.33 1 299 2696
42. Yeldon, T.J. JAC RB 34.84 1 667 5321
43. Murray, Latavius OAK RB 35.17 1 310 2841
44. Hyde, Carlos SFO RB 35.28 1 377 2513
45. Watt, J.J. HOU DE 35.47 1 301 369
46. Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB 36.29 1 301 2387
47. Randle, Joseph DAL RB 37.41 1 369 3627
48. Johnson, Andre IND WR 37.75 1 276 3201
49. Tate, Golden DET WR 38.39 1 318 2886
50. Allen, Keenan SDC WR 40.42 1 381 2961
51. Agholor, Nelson PHI WR 41.21 1 546 5319
52. Edelman, Julian NEP WR 41.59 1 304 3029
53. Olsen, Greg CAR TE 44.22 2 241 2992
54. Maclin, Jeremy KCC WR 45.47 1 248 2944
55. Ellington, Andre ARI RB 46.50 1 359 2928
56. Landry, Jarvis MIA WR 47.18 1 374 3161
57. Adams, Davante GBP WR 47.46 1 367 3247
58. Watkins, Sammy BUF WR
Watkins valued significantly less here than in the DLF mocks.
cstu
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
There is something wrong with this list. Not even Calvin Johnson's mother would pick him over OBJ, Hopkins, or quite a few others.
Gandalf
Footballguy
If we are talking brand new start up where you keep everyone forever then I agree. I think it depends more on your window for winning. If in rebuild mode take Watkins but if winning over the next 1-3 years then I would take Calvin
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
It isn't in these quotes, but I believe my exact quote was if we did a start up dynasty draft right now. Calvin and Watkins would go in the same round and I would personally take Watkins.
Gandalf
Footballguy
Oh got it. Sorry must have missed it. I agree in a dynasty start up yes that makes sense because most will value Watkins for another decade vs Calvin for another few years as better. I still worry about the injury risk with Watkins. I guess what I am saying is that while they may go in the same round, it may be a mistake because Calvin Johnson is a top WR for the next couple of years still and Watkins has a terrible QB and a spotty record staying on the field.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
The perceived value of Calvin Johnson isn't what it used to be from two years ago and before that, so yes, now is the time to sell Calvin Johnson in dynasty leagues if you can get decent value. The problem with that is that Johnson owners still think of him from 2013 going backwards when his value started to dip last year. I think Calvin Johnson dynasty owners have to be realistic on his value if they want to move him. Getting a late 2016 1st rd rookie pick is fair value for Calvin Johnson.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Sad when 80+ yards per game is considered a bad year. Especially when three of those games were against top 5 pass defenses. Calvin is only 30 years old. You'll get at least 2 more years of elite production followed with consistent WR2 production for as long as he wants to play. Why would you trade that for a lottery ticket?
Gandalf
Footballguy
That may be fair value but no way I trade Calvin for a late rookie pick. That's like getting the 3rd best rookie WR. I'd rather try and win now and take my chances with more of a proven entity.
Gandalf
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
i just aquired Calvin AND Doug Martin in a trade giving away Arian Foster...im satisfied
Milkman
Footballguy
The time to trade him was last year like a lot us were trying to tell owners in this thread. He's not a player you build a dynasty team around anymore. He wasn't last year either but most people didn't know that yet.
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Spartans Rule
Footballguy
It's all about the O-line. We saw last week that the Lions are more than willing to chuck it deep to Calvin when they have the time.
The question is whether the Lions line is legitimately improving or if the Bears just made them look good. Tomorrow they play the Vikings, a team they've already seen (and sucked against) so that should be a good measuring stick.
The question is whether the Lions line is legitimately improving or if the Bears just made them look good. Tomorrow they play the Vikings, a team they've already seen (and sucked against) so that should be a good measuring stick.
mikel0254
Footballguy
Apparently he's not in the building today (no official source, but radio talking heads are saying this), something that is very rare for him. He was injured last game, so not surprising he wouldn't be practicing. But he should be getting treatment.
He's still got value. Could something be going down?
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
He still has a lot of value... I highly highly doubt they move him, but I'd be super excited if they did.
Carolina makes the most sense IMO.
beef
Footballguy
I traded a 1st for both earlier this year before Martin had his big breakout game of the season. I don't really care if these guys only have a few years left. I don't look any further than that. The NFL changes too fast to look too far diwn the road.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Maybe fair market value - but what's the incentive to move him what is still a longshot type pick? I guess if my team was really bad and wasn't competing anytime soon I'd consider it, but Calvin is still only barely 30 years old, he has plenty of solid years left.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
A) No chance they move him
B) If they did, no way he lands in NE
C) If by some miracle he did, it wouldn't be good for his stats - Too many mouths to feed and he would be going there to win. Team player who would happily take a reduction in targets to win a title.
B) If they did, no way he lands in NE
C) If by some miracle he did, it wouldn't be good for his stats - Too many mouths to feed and he would be going there to win. Team player who would happily take a reduction in targets to win a title.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If you have Calvin, you are selling very light if you get a projected late 2016 1st.
Now, if you get the 1st from a 1-7 team who is basically guaranteed a top 2-3 pick, then yes I can see that.
Many, many, MANY people overvalue Calvin right now based on this thread, and I imagine the general FF population values CJ even higher than most do in this thread.
Now, if you get the 1st from a 1-7 team who is basically guaranteed a top 2-3 pick, then yes I can see that.
Many, many, MANY people overvalue Calvin right now based on this thread, and I imagine the general FF population values CJ even higher than most do in this thread.
