Is Vince Young Fast Enough (1 Viewer)

[TFN1995]

When Mike Vick came out of college everyone knew he was fast. He ran like a 4.25{http://www.hokiesports.com/huddler/archive/0382000aaa.html} He was fast even by a running back standard. Ill be the first to admit Vince Young is fast, but is he fast enough. What ever team he is drafted to will have a crap o-line and he will need to run from them. That i think is all he is fast enough to do.When Qb's adjust to the NFL it is all about how qucik the game is. Is Vince Young fast enough to line up and run an option and escape being hit by elite DE's like OSI UMENYIORA and Julies Peppers. Or Lb's Zack Thomas and Jonathan Vilma. I personally do not think he is fast enough. I think he will be drafted third overall after Leinart and his speed will be the part of his game that deos not sussed in the NFL. And even if he is fast enough, Mike Vick is no the Qb leading his team to a 14-2 season.

 

[diesel7982]

Vick has never come close to a legit 4.2

 

[jurb26]

Vick has never come close to a legit 4.2

Anyway, this depends on how you are expecting VY to play. Is he fast enough to do waht he did in college? Heck no, not even close. Is he fast enough to be one of the very best running QBs in the NFL? Sure he is. VY has deceptive speed do to a smooth motion and his size. None of that will matter unless he gets the speed of he ability to read defenses down though.

 

[jbz]

Doesn't matter what Vick's official fastest 40 time was, he was a superior running QB to Young when looking at their college career IMO. If Vick is struggling at the NFL level to get by just with his legs, Young will struggle as well. Young's size will help him not get injured as much, but if he doesn't advance/adjust to a pro passing game, then he's not going to do any better then Vick is right now.

 

[Gargoylez]

I would be more worried about the "speed" of the NFL as a whole. Young doesnt have very good mechanics... plus he isn't going to play USC everytime. Unless he gets on a team that is willing to wait him out 2-3 years until he can get accustomed to the NFL game, I will go out on a limb and say he will be a bust.

 

[pinequick]

Whoooooooa. What game were you guys watching? I live in Big 12 country, so I "get" to watch a lot of Texas games, and Young has been basically awesome all season. I lived in a Big 10 state last year, so only really got a look at Young in the '05 Rose Bowl. But in every game that I've seen him, Young is a man among boys. Michigan last year, USC this year, and a slew of games in-between. He is just WAY better than the other players on the college level--even at his size, he *never* takes a clean shot. That is just natural ability. And that will translate at the pro level.His passing, for sure, needs work. But I will not doubt his running ability. You guys are all focusing on straight-line speed. You're not focusing on the right thing--he may outrun some, but he slides, and glides and avoids most tacklers. Those skills *will* translate to the NFL. In terms of scrambling, think of him as a niftier Culpepper. Now if only he were as accurate as Culpepper. . .

 

[Pat Patriot]

I think his passing leaves a lot to be desired and any team drafting him in the top 5 will be taking a HUGE chance.

 

[snellman]

Vince Young made a huge improvement last year to this year in his passing abilities, but IMO he needs to stay in college one more year to continue to refine his passing. Saying that, as an OU fan I am extremely grateful that he is leaving early.

 

[jurb26]

It's really not a big deal anyway. When Bush runs a 4.3 at the combine/Pro day Hou fans will once agian drool all over him as the savor.

 

[Purpulhippo999]

i think that although he might not be as fast as michael vick, his passing game can make up for it...at first i thought he would be a future WR in the NFL, but the rose bowl convinced me that this guy has what it takes to take the reins of a team and take control of a game...when young gets drafted by the titans, steve mcnair will be a great mentor for young, and it will also let the titans trade billy volek so they can get a reciever to replae derrick mason....bottom line: vince young, despite his speed, will be successful in the NFL

 

[jbz]

Whoooooooa. What game were you guys watching? I live in Big 12 country, so I "get" to watch a lot of Texas games, and Young has been basically awesome all season. I lived in a Big 10 state last year, so only really got a look at Young in the '05 Rose Bowl. But in every game that I've seen him, Young is a man among boys. Michigan last year, USC this year, and a slew of games in-between. He is just WAY better than the other players on the college level--even at his size, he *never* takes a clean shot. That is just natural ability. And that will translate at the pro level.

His passing, for sure, needs work. But I will not doubt his running ability. You guys are all focusing on straight-line speed. You're not focusing on the right thing--he may outrun some, but he slides, and glides and avoids most tacklers. Those skills *will* translate to the NFL. In terms of scrambling, think of him as a niftier Culpepper. Now if only he were as accurate as Culpepper. . .

Sounds like Michael Vick when he was coming out. Vick looked like he was moving at hyperspeed and everyone else was stuck in mud when he was in college. I would say most would agree that Vick was WAY better then the players he met up with on the college level. It hasn't totally translated to the pro level, but Vick is still the best runnign QB in the league bar none.

 

[Colin Dowling]

The difference between Young and Vick in college is that Vick was dazzling to watch b/c he could dance and turn a 2 yard loss in to a 10 yard gain. Young doesn't do much dancing. He just runs forward. As Peter King pointed out, Young has enough speed and swivle that he never seems to take a big hit. People are mistakingly thinking that Young is being tuated highly because he runs well, ignoring his strong passing ability and even stronger leadership.

 

[jbz]

the topic of the thread is if Young is fast enough, talking about his running skills and how it would translate to the pros. Nothing to do with his passing ability (strong is being generous IMO) and leadership (very strong here)

 

[Colin Dowling]

the topic of the thread is if Young is fast enough, talking about his running skills and how it would translate to the pros. Nothing to do with his passing ability (strong is being generous IMO) and leadership (very strong here)

Oh sorry. I'll try to avoid stating the obvious to preserve the integrity of your thread.

 

[jbz]

are you kidding me? Look at the original post and what the guy is talking about. Sorry if you can't follow the main focus of the discussion as you're trying to show off your great knowledge of Young.and let it be known Colin, I wasn't trying to be an ### or anything like that in my response. I was just stating the facts, that this was a discussion just involving his running skills and if he was fast enough for the NFL. The discussion regarding his passing, leadership and so forth is for another thread is it not? So why do you have to come off sounding like a jerk?

 

[pinequick]

People are mistakingly thinking that Young is being tuated highly because he runs well, ignoring his strong passing ability and even stronger leadership.

I think they are ignoring it because, frankly, it isn't "strong". He has a strong arm, yes, but if you watched the A&M game (that's the one that leaps to my mind) you saw that he has a ways to go. And his transition from a primarily shotgun offense to the NFL will be interesting to watch as well.Leader? Sure. Great physical stature? Sure. Great athlete? Sure. World of potential? Sure. "Strong" thrower? Not in my book (yet). . .

 

[tombonneau]

I saw him live at the Rose Bowl last year vs. Michigan (well before all the VY hype) and remember thinking that I had never seen a guy turn a corner that fast before.He would be heading for the sideline and you'd think he was going out and he'd turn upside in a lick and sprint into the endzone.Yes, this is the NFL and everyone is quicker, but when a player looks so clearly a man among boys in college (R.Moss comes to mind) it usually translates into a good pro.

 

[Limecuda]

Being so tall his speed is misleading due to the stride. In regards to this thread if you are talking VY as a qb you have to discuss his passing abilities as well. He is a lot quicker than most NFL quarterbacks. If all you are concerned about is his running speed then obvious the majority of the league is terrible in comparison.

 

[Colin Dowling]

are you kidding me? Look at the original post and what the guy is talking about. Sorry if you can't follow the main focus of the discussion as you're trying to show off your great knowledge of Young.

and let it be known Colin, I wasn't trying to be an ### or anything like that in my response. I was just stating the facts, that this was a discussion just involving his running skills and if he was fast enough for the NFL. The discussion regarding his passing, leadership and so forth is for another thread is it not? So why do you have to come off sounding like a jerk?

...and I am interested in you explaining to me how my post didn't pertain to the "main focus" of the thread. The bulk of what i wrote pertained to his running ability. If you are disappointed I didn't talk about "speed", then I simply feel it prudent to point out that no post here is going to give you any real insight aside to say he's faster than the OkState team and he's faster than most of the USC squad. Other than that, I don't think anyone has timed him in the 40 yet...COlin

 

[jbz]

Fair enough, maybe I just took your closing statement and "ran" with it:"People are mistakingly thinking that Young is being tuated highly because he runs well, ignoring his strong passing ability and even stronger leadership."

 

[tattoofan]

I would have to think VY is faster than David Carr, and Carr ended 2nd in the NFL for rushing yards by a QB.

 

[cstu]

Vince Young ran a 4.4 at the Nike Combine in 2002 when he weighed 195. I'm not sure how much he has bulked up and lost speed since then but he should still be in the 4.5-4.6 range - good enough for a QB. Speed is one thing, but I'm concerned that if his passing doesn't improve he won't as elusive in the NFL as he was in college. He's not as quick as Vick and is a much bigger target for defenses so he'll need to be an effective passer..

 

[Csonka4life]

Vince Young is ssssssssssssooooooooo overrated. He won't be able to run wild in the NFL and his passing makes Kordell Steward look like Peyton Manning. He is a project to me and should be a second day pick........