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Isaiah Crowell (2 Viewers)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
This is where I'm at with Shoelace/Crowe. One guy is a bell cow with four solid weeks of production coming off a bye; the other guy has loads of talent also, but could see touches diminished for a myriad of reasons (fumbling, game flow/hot hand).
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Pretty tough to say. Pettine has been unpredictable about usage. Odds for Crowell to be a workhorse down the stretch have improved with Tate's dismissal. Isaiah has to demonstrate he can be trusted; HC defended his fumble last week saying it was a great hit, anybody would have fumbled. We've heard all kinds of reasoning in Cleveland this year: this guy practiced better, that guy had the hot hand, we wish one of the backs would separate themselves from the other(s). What we haven't seen from the Browns coaches is commitment to one guy on a consistent basis.
Love Crowell's talent, love the potential for this offense, but still a lot of unknowns about how this plays out.
Half in the bag
Footballguy
Yes. Although I think both can put up #'s that could be a solid RB2.
West- 15 touches 70yds/td
Crow 15 touches 70yds/td
The 50/50 split is fine as long as the touches for each guy is 15-20. Pettine has been pretty fair at giving West and Crow goal line opportunities
last 2 games there were reports a few hours prior to kickoff on who the starter would be. both times that runner was given the bulk of the workload. hopefully this week follows suit.
Chaka
Footballguy
I am going to wait until I hear the announcement about who is starting before kickoff tomorrow then put that guy in my lineup.
lod01
Footballguy
heropretend
Footballguy
Starting someone like Denard over a timeshare guy who doesn't catch like Crow every time. Even discounting Crow's fumbling issues, West is still a high investment (3rd rd pick), mostly productive rb who will take 40-60% of Crow's carries.
yellowdog
Footballguy
No, I was just re-living the old thread about Green and Suggs. I actually own Crowell and think he could be a keeper.
slackjawedyokel
Footballguy
Not to make this a WSIS post, but on this exact topic:
If you have both West and Crowell (many owners of one have the other as well), do you start both?
I hate the idea of Starting Crowell, sitting West for keenan allen etc, then seeing it backfire.
If you have both West and Crowell (many owners of one have the other as well), do you start both?
I hate the idea of Starting Crowell, sitting West for keenan allen etc, then seeing it backfire.
Banger
Footballguy
I really don't think so at all. I could've owned either guy but to me Crow is a good bit better and the team knows it. The ONLY thing that's held him back is the fumbles and the coach is now making excuses for him. They want him to succeed.
Banger
Footballguy
Allen's been horrible all year. He was a rook last year and the whole team was hurt. It happens but don't keep chasing the past. I'd start both guys over Alken.
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
We may get a hint pre-game from Browns' media (Grossi) about who will start and how they will be used, but it is still a total crapshoot. Crowell seems the most likely right now to start and get the 66% job, but he is a bad fumble away from being buried too.
I'm starting him this week because of the good matchup but I know I am playing with fire.
Being in PPR, I'm most interested in who gets third-down plays, and how they've been used to past few weeks seems to indicate that will be Crow. I'm thinking 60-40 split on carries in favor of Crow, but with Crow getting the goal-line carries and third-down passes. However, if I wake up to find Grossi says West will be the guy, I'm switching to him.
jtp1982
Footballguy
This. For the past two weeks it breaks on twitter who is starting maybe 15 minutes or so before the game. Whoever that is should get around 20 touches with the other guy getting around 10.
If Crowell starts I'm assuming 10 pts baseline in standard with who knows what ceiling.
If West starts Crow's floor drops but he could still get TD or 2. Crowell has had a TD in most of West's starts this season (3/4?) anyway.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
How so?
This matchup may not be as great as it seems.
ATL run d on the season is not that great, but looking over recent games...especially at home...they have stiffened up.
Not sure this is the slam dunk matchup everyone is thinking.
I'm debating Ellington or Crowell and right now leaning towards the guy I know who gets all the touches.
ATL run d on the season is not that great, but looking over recent games...especially at home...they have stiffened up.
Not sure this is the slam dunk matchup everyone is thinking.
I'm debating Ellington or Crowell and right now leaning towards the guy I know who gets all the touches.
socrates
Footballguy
Good points. The Atl D has fared better against RBs over the past two weeks, but it must be pointed out that was against Carolina and Tampa Bay (both road games). Atlanta D has been especially vulnerable to receiving backs, it seems. Crowell is still a work in progress as a receiving back, but he appears pretty natural catching the ball.
I am considering the same, Crowell or Ellington. I am also leaning toward Ellington at this point.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I am leaning Crowell over Ellington. It's close though. Right now I have Hill>Crowell>Ellington in a tight race.
I think the x-factor here regarding Crowell is his return to his home state, Georgia, and the site of his aborted college career at the University of Georgia. I believe these behind the scene things contribute mightly to a players motivation in a game where emotion is paramount.
And don't think the coaching staff is unaware of this fact , his history and this motivation. Pettine has went out of his way to pump up this kids confidence and should realize its importance to his young star.
I am starting him over Ingram versus a tough Ravens run defense....it's time to "feed the crow!"
And don't think the coaching staff is unaware of this fact , his history and this motivation. Pettine has went out of his way to pump up this kids confidence and should realize its importance to his young star.
I am starting him over Ingram versus a tough Ravens run defense....it's time to "feed the crow!"
Wow.I have the same choice but I just cant sit Ingram even vs. Balt. He is going to have alot of touches.
Point taken but who says I am supporting data?......in making lineup decisions we need to look at a variety of factors to support a decision.....and then we still may be wrong lol!
Regardless, we have seen many examples over the years where crazy circumstances have motivated a player....
Fear The Turtle
Footballguy
Probably not but I applaud kencav for bringing it up. One more thing to factor in possibly.
I think starting a back like the Crow today depends on circumstances of YOUR fantasy matchup as well.The crow is explosive and offers a high upside but potentially low floor. A guy like Ingram against the Ravens is a safe play but unlikely to post above average numbers. If your opponent is stacked I feel the Crow's your man.....if you opponent is not looking so hot play it safe.
buymeagoat
Footballguy
I have Crowell and Ellington. I see a higher upside for Crowell. Ellington will get touches and might even do fairly well. I suspect they will do fairly similar this week. Unfortunately, Ellingtonms recent performance has moved him into a matchup contingent RB.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
FWIW, I agree with this. Unfortunately for me, my opponent is projected to be within a few points of my projected score. :sigh: Screw it, gonna roll w/ Crow (leaving both Cincy RBs on the bench, so it's not like I have a slam dunk choice here).
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
Grossi's thoughts on twitter today:
Tony Grossi @TonyGrossi 58m58 minutes ago
#Browns officially list Isaiah Crowell as their starting RB today. We've seen this change before, however.
Tony Grossi @TonyGrossi 18m18 minutes ago
You think #Browns RB Isaiah Crowell is pumped for his 1st NFL game in his home state? He was first player on field other than the kickers.
Tony Grossi @TonyGrossi · 4h 4 hours ago
4 Downs on #Browns v #Falcons - JG, Crow, Rabbit & Julio. http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=39961 …
Second down: Feed the Crow.
With Ben Tate waived, the Browns will share the rushing load between Isaiah Crowell and Terrance West. Crowell is a native of Columbus, GA, and played his freshman year at University of Georgia before he transferred to Alabama State. He is amped up to play in front of friends and family for the first time as a professional. Crowell has put the ball on the ground five times – losing it twice – so he has to prove he is not a fumbler. If he can’t do that, the Browns could start giving some looks in the near future to Glenn Winston, who will be active in the game for special teams duty.
Tony Grossi @TonyGrossi 58m58 minutes ago
#Browns officially list Isaiah Crowell as their starting RB today. We've seen this change before, however.
Tony Grossi @TonyGrossi 18m18 minutes ago
You think #Browns RB Isaiah Crowell is pumped for his 1st NFL game in his home state? He was first player on field other than the kickers.
Tony Grossi @TonyGrossi · 4h 4 hours ago
4 Downs on #Browns v #Falcons - JG, Crow, Rabbit & Julio. http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=39961 …
Second down: Feed the Crow.
With Ben Tate waived, the Browns will share the rushing load between Isaiah Crowell and Terrance West. Crowell is a native of Columbus, GA, and played his freshman year at University of Georgia before he transferred to Alabama State. He is amped up to play in front of friends and family for the first time as a professional. Crowell has put the ball on the ground five times – losing it twice – so he has to prove he is not a fumbler. If he can’t do that, the Browns could start giving some looks in the near future to Glenn Winston, who will be active in the game for special teams duty.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Crow, Ellington or Anderson. That's my dilemma...
Banger
Footballguy
RamMan
Footballguy
Need to decide between Crow or Ingram in one league - my opponent has some juicy match ups so it's going to be a close game. Leaning Crow (have him in now).
Between Crow, Ellington, Mason, and Mathews in another league. My opponent is a bit weaker than I am - so may go safe there and start Ellington, who probably has the higher floor.
Between Crow, Ellington, Mason, and Mathews in another league. My opponent is a bit weaker than I am - so may go safe there and start Ellington, who probably has the higher floor.
Andrew74
Footballguy
Crow or Ingram, Crow or Ingram. I had Charles go already. I should win, but he has Manning, so you never know what he'll put up. I also have Graham and Brees going, so right now I am leaning Crow on the news he is the starter. Plus, some team diversification. Where is Soulfly to pump us up when we need him?
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Yeah I'm a bit concerned Soulfly isn't around...
Ghoti
Footballguy
For those of you who need justification, here you go. I've watched this video about 25 times this morning and am frothing at the mouth. Ca-caw!!!
Andrew74
Footballguy
He hasn't even posted in the Gordon thread in over an hour. I'm concerned his heart gave out with all this excitement.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Gvindy
Footballguy
Fly with the birds amigo start the Crow! Big game coming!!
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