Ivermectin: What have you heard? (1 Viewer)

[Otis]

This feels like a crazy thread. I have only skimmed. But I’m fairly confident. 

 

[Navin Johnson]

This feels like a crazy thread. I have only skimmed. But I’m fairly confident. 

Same as every other COVID thread on these boards

 

[WDIK2]

This feels like a crazy thread. I have only skimmed. But I’m fairly confident. 

This thread has taken a couple tangents.  Which is cool, most threads do.  The Ivermectin discussion should have ended when the company that makes it said, "No, please don't."  Maybe @Ministry of Pain can change the title. 

But still.

 

[ScottyD588]

I would like to point out that this is also patently false. 
 

It is true that UVC rays will quickly destroy viral DNA, but UVC rays do not penetrate the earth’s atmosphere. 
 

UVA and UVB rays take much longer the destroy viral DNA. You’re more likely to get skin cancer than to destroy the coronavirus. 

Would like to see your homework here. 

One recent study tested whether UVB rays could affect the novel coronavirus. In order to control the environment, the study team simulated sunlight with a lamp that emitted only UVB rays and exposed surfaces to the lamp’s light. The simulated sunlight destroyed the novel coronavirus in less than 20 minutes.

Link

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

I read this from a link MOP posted and it doesn't sound as bat shot crazy as many are making it seem.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

 

[Tom Skerritt]

Would like to see your homework here. 

Link

If we’re talking about a controlled laboratory experiment on inanimate surfaces without viral replacement, fine. 
 

Now imagine you’re poolside in Vegas with 200 unvaccinated people, 20 of whom are Covid+. You think 20 minutes of sunlight is all it will take to eliminate all traces of the virus? Puh lease!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I read this from a link MOP posted and it doesn't sound as bat shot crazy as many are making it seem.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

There seems to be people with their own doctors asking that they not be forced to take the vaccines, I assume there are people who because of certain medical conditions, it's possible they should not be taking the vaccine? BUT I would have to see some pretty strong reasons why that would be. The Offspring drummer it was 1st reported because of a medical condition he has that he was advised by his doctors to NOT take the vaccine but then that story morphed into "Drummer refuses vaccine" and he is off the tour.   

Thanks for posting that link, lot of data there to comb thru. 

 

[ScottyD588]

If we’re talking about a controlled laboratory experiment on inanimate surfaces without viral replacement, fine. 
 

Now imagine you’re poolside in Vegas with 200 unvaccinated people, 20 of whom are Covid+. You think 20 minutes of sunlight is all it will take to eliminate all traces of the virus? Puh lease!

How long you figure you have to sit under their lightbulb before you get cancer?  Now compare that to the Florida or Vegas sun.  You have any idea what the temp is in Vegas right now?  Doubt it lasts 20 seconds if we are using common sense instead of doing any homework.  

 

[Tom Skerritt]

How long you figure you have to sit under their lightbulb before you get cancer?  Now compare that to the Florida or Vegas sun.  You have any idea what the temp is in Vegas right now?  Doubt it lasts 20 seconds if we are using common sense instead of doing any homework.  

Guess you’re having trouble with what I am saying. Science comprehension around here is lacking. So go ahead, refuse to get vaccinated, and go hang out at the beach, or the pool with 200 other unvaccinated party people. Sounds like a good plan. You’ll be fine. 

 

[ScottyD588]

Guess you’re having trouble with what I am saying. Science comprehension around here is lacking. So go ahead, refuse to get vaccinated, and go hang out at the beach, or the pool with 200 other unvaccinated party people. Sounds like a good plan. You’ll be fine. 

That has been my experience, yes.  Been to Vegas 3 times this year so far.    Pools are packed as it's been 110F plus for the past several months.  

 

[Navin Johnson]

That has been my experience, yes.  Been to Vegas 3 times this year so far.    Pools are packed as it's been 110F plus for the past several months.  

Only eclipsed 110 twice in July.  Also had flooding last week.

 

[Doug B]

I read this from a link MOP posted and it doesn't sound as bat shot crazy as many are making it seem.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

Study of ivermectin is not crazy, and is in fact ongoing in several countries right now including the US and UK.

Assuming the conclusions about ivermectin right now and self-dosing is reckless.

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The particular article you've linked -- "Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19" by Pierre Kory et al -- is a mixed bag and not determinative. The article should not be considered any more persuasive for being linked through a National Institute of Health website -- the National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI) section is an aggregator which uploaded Kory's article due to it's inclusion in the May 2021 American Journal of Therapeutics.

Such an article CAN support the applicability of further research into ivermectin. It CANNOT support that ivermectin is a COVID treatment of known efficacy or known positive benefit. In vitro studies to date have suggested that the dosage of ivermectin necessary to be of help against COVID infection would fail Phase 1 safety trials.

Today, CNET published a good article on the current state-of-play of current ivermectin research. I've excerpted a few paragraphs that address the limitations of Kory's article, and also ivermectin manufacturer Merck's warnings:

Ivermectin's potential use as a COVID-19 therapeutic made headway last December during a Senate Homeland Security Committee meeting called Focus on Early Treatment of COVID-19. Dr. Pierre Kory, a pulmonary and critical care specialist, testified about the drug's usage for treatment of the disease. 

"Ivermectin is highly safe, widely available, and low cost," Kory said in the Senate meeting. "We now have data from over 20 well-designed clinical studies, 10 of them randomized, controlled trials, with every study consistently reporting large magnitude and statistically significant benefits in decreasing transmission rates, shortening recovery times, decreasing hospitalizations, or large reductions in deaths. These data show that ivermectin is effectively a 'miracle drug' against COVID-19." 

During his testimony, Kory referred to a paper he authored -- Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19 -- that was published in the May edition of the American Journal of Therapeutics. 

The paper was also included in the Frontiers of Pharmacology journal in January but was then removed in March. Dr. Frederick Fenter, chief executive editor of the journal, said the paper was removed due to "strong, unsupported claims based on studies with insufficient statistical significance, and at times, without the use of control groups." Fender also said the authors promoted their own specific ivermectin-based treatment, which goes against editorial policies. 

A study listed in Kory's paper involved giving ivermectin to 234 uninfected health care workers in Argentina and found those who received the drug were far less likely to be diagnosed with COVID. For mildly ill patients, an Iraq study saw a quicker recovery time. 

There are also studies that show otherwise. A clinical trial of 476 patients found ivermectin didn't improve the recovery time in patients who had COVID-19. A review of 10 random clinical trials, with more than 1,000 participants, also didn't find improvements with ivermectin. One Egyptian study claimed to show positive results, but it's since been redacted over ethical concerns.

Merck, the company that discovered ivermectin, released a statement in February saying there was "no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies" and "no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease." It also cited a lack of safety data from major studies. 

 

[ScottyD588]

Only eclipsed 110 twice in July.  Also had flooding last week.

  

Thanks.  I didn't want to go and extract all the data from NOAA website and do a bunch of time-temperature superpositions because the simple point is that it's damn hot in Vegas.  Super happy for Uber since there is no way I'm waling around the hot asphalt jungle in that heat, although it would be much better for the Covid if we all did.  Glad that we agree July counts as a month that was 110F plus. 

 

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Thanks.  I didn't want to go and extract all the data from NOAA website and do a bunch of time-temperature superpositions because the simple point is that it's damn hot in Vegas.  Super happy for Uber since there is no way I'm waling around the hot asphalt jungle in that heat, although it would be much better for the Covid if we all did.  Glad that we agree July counts as a month that was 110F plus. 

Off topic but of curiosity you've got 13 posts but have jumped right in.

Do you have previous accounts here FBG? 

 

[ScottyD588]

Off topic but of curiosity you've got 13 posts but have jumped right in.

Do you have previous accounts here FBG? 

You missed one 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/783421-official-covid-19-coronavirus-thread/?do=findComment&comment=23513210

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

Study of ivermectin is not crazy, and is in fact ongoing in several countries right now including the US and UK.

Assuming the conclusions about ivermectin right now and self-dosing is reckless.

...

The particular article you've linked -- "Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19" by Pierre Kory et al -- is a mixed bag and not determinative. The article should not be considered any more persuasive for being linked through a National Institute of Health website -- the National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI) section is an aggregator which uploaded Kory's article due to it's inclusion in the May 2021 American Journal of Therapeutics.

Such an article CAN support the applicability of further research into ivermectin. It CANNOT support that ivermectin is a COVID treatment of known efficacy or known positive benefit. In vitro studies to date have suggested that the dosage of ivermectin necessary to be of help against COVID infection would fail Phase 1 safety trials.

Today, CNET published a good article on the current state-of-play of current ivermectin research. I've excerpted a few paragraphs that address the limitations of Kory's article, and also ivermectin manufacturer Merck's warnings:

Argentina, Iraq, and Egypt are the 3 studies being quoted.  Are they the only countries dumb/desperate enough to try and treat everyone with this stuff?  I wonder if Merck or anyone else has any ongoing studies to try and replicate any of these results.  One of the common things I have always heard about natural remedies and such is the "there's no money to study them".  If a drug company can't patent something then it's not worth investing the millions in that are needed to study. I wonder if that is the case here?

 

[Navin Johnson]

  

Thanks.  I didn't want to go and extract all the data from NOAA website and do a bunch of time-temperature superpositions because the simple point is that it's damn hot in Vegas.  Super happy for Uber since there is no way I'm waling around the hot asphalt jungle in that heat, although it would be much better for the Covid if we all did.  Glad that we agree July counts as a month that was 110F plus. 

Yeah, that's not what you posited. 

 

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You missed one 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/783421-official-covid-19-coronavirus-thread/?do=findComment&comment=23513210

huh? 

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The Drug that Cracked Covid

Here is an article if you want to find out how the media and social media pick and choose their facts. 

Ivermectin is the generic form of the Merck drug called Stromectol and then i found this part interesting if it were actually true

Though the drug went off patent in 1996, Merck still distributes millions of doses each year in Africa for free, with a statue honoring the drug and the great humanitarian eradication effort in its headquarters and one at the WHO in Geneva. But recently Merck issued a stern warning that seemed written by marketing, Kory says, “as it had no scientific data to support the conclusion,” that Ivermectin was suddenly dangerous. Another pharmaceutical company’s CEO privately noted that “People must think Merck knows what they’re talking about because it’s their drug,” but Merck has “tremendous disincentives” to say nice things about the generic pill, as it has already spent hundreds of millions of dollars developing an oral anti-viral COVID-19 treatment, rival to Ivermectin, that may be priced at $3,000 a dose.

The Magazine itself for some reason cracks me up....Mountain Home, sounds like a spin off from Guns n Ammo or Outdoor Fisherman or something. 

 

[Navin Johnson]

The Drug that Cracked Covid

Here is an article if you want to find out how the media and social media pick and choose their facts. 

Ivermectin is the generic form of the Merck drug called Stromectol and then i found this part interesting if it were actually true

Though the drug went off patent in 1996, Merck still distributes millions of doses each year in Africa for free, with a statue honoring the drug and the great humanitarian eradication effort in its headquarters and one at the WHO in Geneva. But recently Merck issued a stern warning that seemed written by marketing, Kory says, “as it had no scientific data to support the conclusion,” that Ivermectin was suddenly dangerous. Another pharmaceutical company’s CEO privately noted that “People must think Merck knows what they’re talking about because it’s their drug,” but Merck has “tremendous disincentives” to say nice things about the generic pill, as it has already spent hundreds of millions of dollars developing an oral anti-viral COVID-19 treatment, rival to Ivermectin, that may be priced at $3,000 a dose.

The Magazine itself for some reason cracks me up....Mountain Home, sounds like a spin off from Guns n Ammo or Outdoor Fisherman or something. 

Sounds like a completely objective source.

 

[Tick]

I hear the same split I hear on everything...

OAN/Newmax people have a crazy conspiracy about how evil liberals are hiding the truth from people, with no explanation of what the evil liberals gain from it.

Everyone else shrugs and says we already solved this problem with the vaccines, and either thanks Trump if they watch Fox or thanks scientists in general if they watch any other channel.

The channel that people watch defines their opinions a lot more than their education level, profession (even medical vs. not), or any other factor in my extended family and coworkers.  I suspect it's the same everywhere.

 

[culdeus]

I hear the same split I hear on everything...

OAN/Newmax people have a crazy conspiracy about how evil liberals are hiding the truth from people, with no explanation of what the evil liberals gain from it.

Everyone else shrugs and says we already solved this problem with the vaccines, and either thanks Trump if they watch Fox or thanks scientists in general if they watch any other channel.

The channel that people watch defines their opinions a lot more than their education level, profession (even medical vs. not), or any other factor in my extended family and coworkers.  I suspect it's the same everywhere.

Newsmax lost one of their anchors to covid today.  Maybe there's a little more nose breathing on this topic from them.  Doubtful, but possible. 

 

[SoBeDad]

Sample size of ONE from the esteemed Dr. Malone. This should get lots of play on social media.  Has his Twitter account been hacked - that was my initial response.

>>Have completed a 3 day course of Ivermectin now. Woke up today without coughing for the first time in months. Had good exercise tolerance when walking all over Carmel and Point Lobos yesterday. Based on that experience, I have to conclude good initial clinical response.<<

https://mobile.twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1424710136354902027

 

[Sand]

Sample size of ONE from the esteemed Dr. Malone.

With one point you can draw the line in any direction you want to. 

 

[Dickies]

Sample size of ONE from the esteemed Dr. Malone. This should get lots of play on social media.  Has his Twitter account been hacked - that was my initial response.

>>Have completed a 3 day course of Ivermectin now. Woke up today without coughing for the first time in months. Had good exercise tolerance when walking all over Carmel and Point Lobos yesterday. Based on that experience, I have to conclude good initial clinical response.<<

https://mobile.twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1424710136354902027

 

[massraider]

Major study of Ivermectin, the anti-vaccine crowd’s latest COVID drug, finds ‘no effect whatsoever’

Among the 1,500 patients in the study, he said, Ivermectin showed “no effect whatsoever” on the trial’s outcome goals — whether patients required extended observation in the emergency room or hospitalization.

Its repurposing as a COVID treatment began with a 2020 paper by Australian researchers who determined that at extremely high concentrations it showed some efficacy against the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID, in the lab. But their research involved concentrations of the drug far beyond what could be achieved, much less tolerated, in the human body.

 

[AAABatteries]

Major study of Ivermectin, the anti-vaccine crowd’s latest COVID drug, finds ‘no effect whatsoever’

Among the 1,500 patients in the study, he said, Ivermectin showed “no effect whatsoever” on the trial’s outcome goals — whether patients required extended observation in the emergency room or hospitalization.

Its repurposing as a COVID treatment began with a 2020 paper by Australian researchers who determined that at extremely high concentrations it showed some efficacy against the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID, in the lab. But their research involved concentrations of the drug far beyond what could be achieved, much less tolerated, in the human body.

Sure but my cousin's co-worker saw a TikTok from some dude in Brazil who went to a very well known doctor who said he's treated as many as 2 people with it and both got better after taking it - so I'm torn here.

 

[Otis]

Sample size of ONE from the esteemed Dr. Malone. This should get lots of play on social media.  Has his Twitter account been hacked - that was my initial response.

>>Have completed a 3 day course of Ivermectin now. Woke up today without coughing for the first time in months. Had good exercise tolerance when walking all over Carmel and Point Lobos yesterday. Based on that experience, I have to conclude good initial clinical response.<<

https://mobile.twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1424710136354902027

Three days worth of data on one person? I’m sold. 

 

[culdeus]

Sample size of ONE from the esteemed Dr. Malone. This should get lots of play on social media.  Has his Twitter account been hacked - that was my initial response.

>>Have completed a 3 day course of Ivermectin now. Woke up today without coughing for the first time in months. Had good exercise tolerance when walking all over Carmel and Point Lobos yesterday. Based on that experience, I have to conclude good initial clinical response.<<

https://mobile.twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1424710136354902027

I think it's a joke.  A lot of people took the bait.

 

[culdeus]

Seems like the focus is now on the cholesterol drug that might do something, maybe.

 

[gianmarco]

Seems like the focus is now on the cholesterol drug that might do something, maybe.

Soon enough, catching Covid on a Wednesday is going to show it's the day you want to get it.

 

[SoBeDad]

I think it's a joke.  A lot of people took the bait.

Including many unvaccinated people, undoubtedly and unfortunately.

 

[Tom Skerritt]

So wait, ivermectin doesn’t work now? NO WAY!!!

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Sample size of ONE from the esteemed Dr. Malone. This should get lots of play on social media.  Has his Twitter account been hacked - that was my initial response.

>>Have completed a 3 day course of Ivermectin now. Woke up today without coughing for the first time in months. Had good exercise tolerance when walking all over Carmel and Point Lobos yesterday. Based on that experience, I have to conclude good initial clinical response.<<

https://mobile.twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1424710136354902027
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I think it's a joke.  A lot of people took the bait.

He's not joking.  He's definitely supporting use of this drug and other alternative treatments.  At least according to his Wikipedia page, Malone is a misinformation peddler, vax denier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone

 

[AAABatteries]

Seems like the focus is now on the cholesterol drug that might do something, maybe.

Lower cholesterol?

 

[SWC]

i have heard a lot of stuff and most of what i heard well ts mostly stupid but i heard it so thats something take that to the bank brohans 

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Major study of Ivermectin, the anti-vaccine crowd’s latest COVID drug, finds ‘no effect whatsoever’

Among the 1,500 patients in the study, he said, Ivermectin showed “no effect whatsoever” on the trial’s outcome goals — whether patients required extended observation in the emergency room or hospitalization.

Its repurposing as a COVID treatment began with a 2020 paper by Australian researchers who determined that at extremely high concentrations it showed some efficacy against the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID, in the lab. But their research involved concentrations of the drug far beyond what could be achieved, much less tolerated, in the human body.

The L.A. Times? Again we're relying on bias media and I would caution. I can see there have been some posts and I just received my first 20 tablets of this to have on hand just in case some folks don't take the warnings seriously in my immediate and extended family. Little worried about my kid's grandparents right now on his mother's side who are well over 65 and refuse the vaccine, you know the 3%'ers in Florida and Nana is sick on the couch as we speak. 

I have them on stand by ready to launch on Alert 5, they didn't cost much so for me although I would not recommend them to folks as a prophylaxis or in lieu of taking the mRNA shot, however I would advise that for the cost and at the point they are sick and cannot take the vaccine and doctors cannot treat them well, this is certainly worth a try. Cancer patients try drugs that are not FDA approved all the time, my father extended his life 5 years playing that game when he was stricken with prostate cancer. He all but moved to the hospital up in Bethesda but there was only so much that could be done. 

I don't trust doctors of all kinds in general although I think most do their very best but its not a holy community of people, I interact with these doctors from wife's hospital and they are pretty pompous and arrogant for the most part. A few down to Earth and they are so much fun, we have a few here at FBG that give doctors a good name but unfortunately many I know have a moral compass that points at about 11:50 if you catch my drift but certainly not 12:00. 

Thanks Mass for the link. 

 

[AAABatteries]

BBC - hate to use that

LA Times - biased media

Mountainhomemag.com - YOU GUYS SHOULD CHECK THIS OUT!!!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

BBC - hate to use that

LA Times - biased media

Mountainhomemag.com - YOU GUYS SHOULD CHECK THIS OUT!!!

I did say the name of the magazine is pretty laughable, you pick and choose what tone you interpret bud. 

I also posted the FLCCC and BiRD.org so let's be fair and balanced please. 

 

[culdeus]

The L.A. Times? Again we're relyign on boas media and I would caution. I can see there have been some posts and I just received my first 20 tablets of this to have on hand just in case some folks don't take the warnings seriously in my immediate and extended family. Little worried about my kid's grandparents right now on his mother's side who are well over 65 and refuse the vaccine, you know the 3%'ers in Florida and Nana is sick on the couch as we speak. 

I have them on stand by ready to launch on Alert 5, they didn't cost much so for me although I would not recommend them to folks as a prophylaxis or in lieu of taking the mRNA shot, however I would advise that for the cost and at the point they are sick and cannot take the vaccine and doctors cannot treat them well, this is certainly worth a try. Cancer patients try drugs that are not FDA approved all the time, my father extended his life 5 years playing that game when he was stricken with prostate cancer. He all but moved to the hospital up in Bethesda but there was only so much that could be done. 

I don't trust doctors of all kinds in general although I think most do their very best but its not a holy community of people, I interact with these doctors from wife's hospital and they are pretty pompous and arrogant for the most part. A few down to Earth and they are so much fun, we have a few here at FBG that give doctors a good name but unfortunately many I know have a moral compass that point at about 11:50 if you catch my drift but certainly not 12:00. 

Thanks Mass for the link. 

If you read the news report they link to the study documents. I mean if you care to read them, instead of shooting the messenger.    

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Soon enough, catching Covid on a Wednesday is going to show it's the day you want to get it.

Everyone knows it's Taco Tuesday when you want to catch this. 

 

[culdeus]

He's not joking.  He's definitely supporting use of this drug and other alternative treatments.  At least according to his Wikipedia page, Malone is a misinformation peddler, vax denier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone

It's just impossible to know these days who is memeing and who is just trying to get the payout.

 

[massraider]

The L.A. Times? Again we're relying on bias media and I would caution. I can see there have been some posts and I just received my first 20 tablets of this to have on hand just in case some folks don't take the warnings seriously in my immediate and extended family. Little worried about my kid's grandparents right now on his mother's side who are well over 65 and refuse the vaccine, you know the 3%'ers in Florida and Nana is sick on the couch as we speak. 

I have them on stand by ready to launch on Alert 5, they didn't cost much so for me although I would not recommend them to folks as a prophylaxis or in lieu of taking the mRNA shot, however I would advise that for the cost and at the point they are sick and cannot take the vaccine and doctors cannot treat them well, this is certainly worth a try. Cancer patients try drugs that are not FDA approved all the time, my father extended his life 5 years playing that game when he was stricken with prostate cancer. He all but moved to the hospital up in Bethesda but there was only so much that could be done. 

I don't trust doctors of all kinds in general although I think most do their very best but its not a holy community of people, I interact with these doctors from wife's hospital and they are pretty pompous and arrogant for the most part. A few down to Earth and they are so much fun, we have a few here at FBG that give doctors a good name but unfortunately many I know have a moral compass that points at about 11:50 if you catch my drift but certainly not 12:00. 

Thanks Mass for the link. 

My bad, I meant to post the Facebook conversation between my uncle and his camping buddies, four of them have taken it and no results!! 

You can trust them, because they are just good hearted American folks, they BBQ every week, listen to John Denver compilations, and build wooden go-karts with their sons (all named Chip, duh).

They aren't doctors who conducted some sneaky study with a lousy 1500 patients, pfft. Get back to me when Scientific Method actually solves anything, amirite?!?

 

[massraider]

I didn't realize LA Times was so biased. 

What exactly was it in that article that was biased?

I will ask this question as many times as I need to get an answer.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Is it true the CDC owns or has potentially 20 or more vaccine patents? Is it true they even own 1 patent? 

I think the way I read it they use the technology and farm it out 3rd party, just hard to believe nobody is making money when they receive royalties on all this...the money has to go somewhere. Back into the research and the good and betterment of all mankind you say? Okie Dokie, back to our regularly scheduled programming. 

 

[Ministry of Pain]

My bad, I meant to post the Facebook conversation between my uncle and his camping buddies, four of them have taken it and no results!! 

You can trust them, because they are just good hearted American folks, they BBQ every week, listen to John Denver compilations, and build wooden go-karts with their sons (all named Chip, duh).

They aren't doctors who conducted some sneaky study with a lousy 1500 patients, pfft. Get back to me when Scientific Method actually solves anything, amirite?!?

You're going to the Showcase Showdown, no doubt. 

 

[gianmarco]

Just an FYI

Vaccines are NOT major money makers for pharmaceutical companies. And if you think about it, it makes sense.

Most of these vaccines are given a few times total in a lifetime. Many childhood vaccines are done after a few doses. 

Pharmaceutical companies can only make so much on something that is only given for a few doses and done. The money comes from drugs that have be taken all the time. Daily medications for chronic illnesses like diabetes and hypertension and high cholesterol.

For most doctor's offices, they break even or even lose money on giving vaccines. 

So, while they aren't developing and producing these vaccines out of the goodness of their hearts, this isn't what's driving most of the profits for these companies. Covid MAY be an exception (I haven't looked, honestly), but even still, this isn't the time to be concerned about that, IMO.

Vaccines and profit margins

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I didn't realize LA Times was so biased. 

What exactly was it in that article that was biased?

I will ask this question as many times as I need to get an answer.

When I click it requests money

-Correct!

And I'll take control of the board, I'll take CDC Conspiracies for $1,200, Mayim. 

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Just an FYI

Vaccines are NOT major money makers for pharmaceutical companies. And if you think about it, it makes sense.

Most of these vaccines are given a few times total in a lifetime. Many childhood vaccines are done after a few doses. 

Pharmaceutical companies can only make so much on something that is only given for a few doses and done. The money comes from drugs that have be taken all the time. Daily medications for chronic illnesses like diabetes and hypertension and high cholesterol.

For most doctor's offices, they break even or even lose money on giving vaccines. 

So, while they aren't developing and producing these vaccines out of the goodness of their hearts, this isn't what's driving most of the profits for these companies. Covid MAY be an exception (I haven't looked, honestly), but even still, this isn't the time to be concerned about that, IMO.

Vaccines and profit margins

Not to mention that vaccines prevent vast profits from occurring downstream by keeping people from getting sick.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Just an FYI

Vaccines are NOT major money makers for pharmaceutical companies. And if you think about it, it makes sense.

Most of these vaccines are given a few times total in a lifetime. Many childhood vaccines are done after a few doses. 

Pharmaceutical companies can only make so much on something that is only given for a few doses and done. The money comes from drugs that have be taken all the time. Daily medications for chronic illnesses like diabetes and hypertension and high cholesterol.

For most doctor's offices, they break even or even lose money on giving vaccines. 

So, while they aren't developing and producing these vaccines out of the goodness of their hearts, this isn't what's driving most of the profits for these companies. Covid MAY be an exception (I haven't looked, honestly), but even still, this isn't the time to be concerned about that, IMO.

Vaccines and profit margins

Moderna went from $50 to like $400 but keep going with this thought process that drug companies don't profit from any of this.