Its always funny when the "law and order" party does not want to abide by the rules.
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Its always funny when the "law and order" party does not want to abide by the rules.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Again, a gross exaggeration, mischaracterization and misrepresentation of what is actually happening or has happened.
I get it - all of this censorship benefits your side so why would you ever criticize it, right? Why would you ever try to find out what's really going on? The lies and deception are so buttery smooth and tasty why would you EVER want the bitter truth?
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The Commish
Footballguy
Forget the politics of it all. None of it seemed well thought out. If one's goal is to root out all the evil in big tech, why would one build their business plan/model on doing this on the infrastructure provided by the evil big tech they are trying to take down?
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Can you use Parler right now?
Is there any government regulation preventing Parler from working?
The fact that nobody wants to participate is capitalism at work - people are choosing not to participate in that forum. But it is open, and available for anyone who wants to be there.
You could be posting there, instead of here - and yet, here you are. Capitalism at work.
So, does this mean you concede that Donald Trump's social media scam is doomed to failure?
The Commish
Footballguy
No...I really don't. It's completely illogical and poorly thought out. Go buy your own start up server, get your domain and start building. It's not terribly expensive or difficult to do
Insein
Footballguy
Google Play and Apple are the 2 largest app stores combining for over 65% of all app downloads in the market. Both removed Parler from their stores on 1/7/21. Add in Amazon cutting off their servers and it was pretty much a death sentence. This would be like if a company was publicly banned from selling their goods at Walmart or Target. Then combined they had their manufacturer cut off the production warehouses they lease to them all at once. No company could survive that.
Insein
Footballguy
Capitalism doesn't involve government intervention in destroying a company to maintain the market share for the government friendly market leaders. They have another word for that. Fascism
Woah. I had no idea that the government ordered Apple, Google, and Amazon to shut Parler down.
They must be using some kind of funky Russian servers to be up and running now.
I wonder where Trump is going to base his über social media platform? Do you think that will have an impact on Twitter?
BladeRunner
Footballguy
No...I really don't. It's completely illogical and poorly thought out. Go buy your own start up server, get your domain and start building. It's not terribly expensive or difficult to do
This is akin to someone showing up at a mechanic shop with a vehicle that isn't working and telling the shop that it "should be easy to fix".
Any of you guys ever built a "platform" form the ground up? I mean something serious, too, not some made up "Easy Button Platform Builder" that you appear to have in your head. It's incredibly difficult, time consuming and expensive.
I know you guys know this and are simply pretending not to in order to ignore the truth of what is going on.
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Insein
Footballguy
Parler is still not on the Google play store. Apple didn't put it back until 4 months later. Amazon allowed them back 2 months later. The stopped a market competitor for Twitter based solely on government intervention for political reasons. The damage was done.Woah. I had no idea that the government ordered Apple, Google, and Amazon to shut Parler down.
They must be using some kind of funky Russian servers to be up and running now.
I wonder where Trump is going to base his über social media platform? Do you think that will have an impact on Twitter?
I've been part of 3 "start-ups" in the tech world - all 3 were B2B applications. So, no experience in the consumer world, or social media.
1st took a brick-and-mortar business, and transformed it into an on-line business. I was the general manager of the business, but also the architect of the new platform. I did very little of the coding though. We had several national competitors, but we were first to transition to an on-line platform, and were rewarded handsomely.
2nd, was building a business unit to sanitize and provide uniformity to a large data set that was initially used internally to replace outside vendors, but then we moved to compete directly with those established competitors. I hired the general manager for that business once it was self-sustaining, and, its my understanding that it is still doing well today.
3rd was taking an existing inventory management tool, and building out more data integration, decision-making tools and algorithms. This had the effect of transforming the tool from a basic commodity, to a premium product, with a premium price point. Here, we were close to last in the market to enter this realm. But, in the course of 12 months, we were able to grow revenue by $10m, while increasing margins. When I left, we were an established player in a crowded market.
Building a social media platform is hard. It takes time. It takes smart people knowing how to design, market, grow, and maintain the product to meet the needs of an ever-changing customer base. Twitter didn't become a giant overnight, nor did Facebook, or instagram, or google, or Apple - or any business. Barriers to entry into any profitable sector has always been high - if it was easy, everyone would do it, and nobody would profit. The fact that Parler has not toppled Twitter yet, has nothing to do with the government, and everything to do with how long it takes to topple a market-leader.
I'm not completely up to speed here - but what is the "government intervention for political reasons" you are talking about here?
Did the DOJ, or some regulatory agency, shut Parler down? Or, did they order Google, Apple, Amazon to break contracts with Parler?
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Thank-you, so you do "get it".
The point wasn't that Parlor was going to topple Twitter, the point was that the entire infrastructure they built their app on was pulled out from underneath them. Amazon, Microsoft, Google, etc... all advertise their infrastructure platforms to build your app on to get it to market faster and cheaper, because "building your own platform from the ground up" is not feasible for most people or businesses.
Why would Parlor not take advantage of that? So they did and it was pulled out from underneath them for some flimsy excuses - at best - and censorship at worst. They ALL worked together - colluded - to take Parlor down.
Keep in mind, these same companies also host Communists, Al-Qeida, Socialists and all other kinds of clients that are horrible - yet they remain on those platforms.
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Insein
Footballguy
FBI accused Parler of aiding the riot on 1/6. Many politicians demanded an investigation. Some asked for Parler to be shut down. Google, Apple and Amazon seized upon this as an opportunity (whether through preserving personal image or a chance to maintain market control) to destroy an upstart competitor that had been on a exponential growth increase for 3 straight months.
Yes Parler still exists but they no longer a viable alternative to market leaders.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
But Parler wasn't/isn't a competitor to Apple, Google, or Amazon. If I'm those companies, I don't want Twitter to be the only option in that space. I want healthy competition and lots of options in that space, so that Twitter has less leverage to dictate terms to my company.
the moops
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Yes...three different times. It's my job. It's what I do every single day. I am fully aware of what it takes to set up a system from ground up. What parler provides isn't complex. The entire thing they wanted to build would be but a tiny part of a standard website.
The Commish
Footballguy
This isn't what parler is though. Have you looked through their site? What they have out there can be accomplished with two servers and a boxed software. And the first rule of going this path is if you want to compete with another platform someday, you probably shouldn't be using that competitor for your infrastructure which was my only point in mentioning their decision making.
the moops
Footballguy
Was there ever any thought that parler was anything but an alternative to twitter/facebook?
The Commish
Footballguy
This was the error in the business model. Don't rent space in a place that requires rules you have no intention of abiding by. As I said, it's completely illogical to go this path if your goal is to combat that suite of evil companies. It makes absolutely ZERO sense. I can't speak for apple product...I avoid them and their model like the plague, but they could have been COMPLETELY self sufficient on their own servers where you download the android app directly from them. They have no one to blame but themselves and it would be NOTHING like you describe. Smart companies don't even put themselves in the situation you are describing so I doubt they even have to TRY and survive that.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Yeah, I know, it's what I do to.
Anyways, I explained it above in a response to Amused.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
That was the whole point - they were.
Again, Al-Qeida and all kinds of horrible people didn't get kicked off the platform but Parlor did.
The Commish
Footballguy
Why don't I believe this?
Your explanation is in complete support of my initial statement that they made really poor business decisions. If you don't have the $5000 (or likely less) to get this thing off the ground and be completely independent then you have to play by the rules of the places that WILL host you. That's a cost of doing business. What they put out there as a product, as it sits today, appears to be about $6000 in investment and over half of that is likely in the crappy software they decided to use to get things running. That's it.
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Lol...total manure. The left is so full of lies. Project Veritas has never heavily-doctored any video as has been proven in numerous court cases against them. What bs they come up with is calling it 'selectively editting' and try to make that into some kind of smear to imply they are doctoring videos so that the mindless liberals can parrot such nonsense. 'Selectively editing' is what every news organization does. Nobody airs endless hours of raw video, they edit it down to the appropriate time. We know for a fact Twitter, YouTube, New York Times all lied about the Hunter Biden story to help win the election. These lying idiots are the king of misinformation and to put them in charge of determinng what is deceitful is putting the foxes in charge of the hen houses. I am so sick of the lying left and what they call misinformation.
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the moops
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I don't know what to tell you. It's what I do. I build web applications and put the infrastructure in place used to support that application. And that "infrastructure" is not some Pentium 2 server in the backroom as you like to imply ("it's so easy, even a caveman could do it").
My point is with this whole absurd notion of "then build your own infrastructure". They WERE following the rules until the FBI stepped in along with Big Tech to ensure they didn't get up and running.
Again, Al-Queida and whole other host of clients that use that SAME infrastructure weren't removed. No problems with "following the rules" then. THAT is the problem - the unfair application of "following the rules".
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squistion
Footballguy
First of all they always refuse to release the complete unedited footage, so we can't say they have not been selectively edited them so as to mislead. They brought down Acorn on a fake, misleadingly edited video (don't have time to look it up)
But there are plenty of examples of what they have been doing, here is just one:
https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/video-purporting-to-show-mockery-of-greg-abbotts-disability-is-unbelievably-misleading-7132479
Video Purporting to Show Mockery of Greg Abbott's Disability Is Unbelievably Misleading
BRANTLEY HARGROVE FEBRUARY 4, 2014 4:48PM
Conservative agent provocateur James O'Keefe's latest undercover video sting seemed to feed the narrative that Democrats just go around constantly making fun of Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott's wheelchair. This is what O'Keefe is good at: Using hidden cameras to film targets, then editing the hell out of the footage to make it sound like they're saying something they're actually not. He brought down ACORN with one of these, though the premise didn't withstand scrutiny of his raw footage. Same with his sting of an NPR fundraiser. Both resulted in knee-jerk consequences for the subjects, but were eventually found to be misleading at best.
So it is with the video that seems to Battleground Texas volunteers and Wendy Davis supporters mocking Abbott's wheelchair, or his inability to stand.
First, a "Project Veritas investigator," going by the name "Wendy Johnson," enters the living room of Dallas attorney Lisa Wortham's Lewisville home. The edited video captures Wortham saying, "I'm really wondering how this is going to work out since he's in a wheelchair and the slogans are saying, 'Stand with Wendy.'" Some laughter follows.
"And it's in our subconscious now," she continues in the video. "So it's interesting to me to see, from a psychological point of view, how it's going to play out."
In context, her comments appear to pertain to how a broader electorate will react to Davis' slogan in relation to her opponent's disability. The conversation does get harsher, but on grounds of hypocrisy, not disability -- that his support of tort reform doesn't jibe with the multimillion-dollar settlement he won after being paralyzed by a falling tree branch.
The same goes for the comments of the woman who seemed to be making fun of his wheelchair. Here are her full comments: "Greg Abbott is really not a sure thing and he's really not -- maybe -- real electable. First of all, he's not good-looking. He doesn't speak very well. He doesn't have a good personality. And he's in a wheelchair. He doesn't have good hair -- I guess that goes with the good-looking part. Texans are prejudiced. I'm from West Texas, and they want their governor to be rah-rah, boots, hats, go wherever they want, so it's not a sure thing."
In full context, she's got a jaundiced eye about how the electorate will react to his disability. She's not making fun of it. Even worse, the harsh laughing that follows the wheelchair comment in O'Keefe's edited video actually comes later in the raw footage, after her comment about his hair. [...]
I get it. You have even lied to so often. But the non-sense you believe about Project Veritas is utter BS.
massraider
Footballguy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approached-the-post-with-dramatic--and-false--tale-about-roy-moore-sje-appears-to-be-part-of-undercover-sting-operation/2017/11/27/0c2e335a-cfb6-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html
Project Veritas and their 'journalism'.
Even after his Keystone Kops attempt to sting WaPo, O'Keefe was the subject of a sympathetic piece after the FBI raid.
It's a funny read, the piece above, just to read about what clowns these guys are.
Project Veritas and their 'journalism'.
Even after his Keystone Kops attempt to sting WaPo, O'Keefe was the subject of a sympathetic piece after the FBI raid.
It's a funny read, the piece above, just to read about what clowns these guys are.
The Commish
Footballguy
I am talking about what is sitting out there which is a single server with a chipset from 4 years ago (not even sure how they got their hands on something like that) and a software platform that is as bare minimum as you can get. What you build has NO bearing on how difficult it is to set up the product parler has provided. Our implementations are significantly more complex as well. That fact has no bearing on this crap show they've rolled out. My kids' school's website is more complex and secure than this thing is and the kids in the STEM program built and maintain it.
What I am saying is that the product sitting out there right now is elementary and one of the most unsecured sites I've ever "observed". Took about 5 minutes to get in and I suck at "observation". It is NOT indicative of what a standard social media platform would put out there. Most are significantly more powerful and significantly more secure. What I am saying is that, as the product sits, it cost them very little and is very much in the same boat as "Pentium 2 server in the backroom" solutions kids throw out there to learn.
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Project Veritas has been sued several times for defamination and deceptive reporting and has won every case. Now they have flipped it and are in the process of suing the New York Times, CNN and Twitter and their lawsuits are successfully progressing along. It is easy for the media to control the narrative when they are the arbitrators of truth and are judge and jury, but when the courts get involved it has not been going their way.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
No no no…they have not won every time. they were fined for what they did with Acorn (who did nothing illegal btw)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/03/08/james-okeefe-pays-100000-to-acorn-employee-he-smeared-conservative-media-yawns/amp/
Yes they edit/doctor the videos. Its all they do. Anyone denying that is not being honest. They are not credible in any way shape or form.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/03/08/james-okeefe-pays-100000-to-acorn-employee-he-smeared-conservative-media-yawns/amp/
Yes they edit/doctor the videos. Its all they do. Anyone denying that is not being honest. They are not credible in any way shape or form.
massraider
Footballguy
O'Keefe has been barred from fundraising for Project Veritas in Florida, Maine, Mississippi, Utah, and Wisconsin, partly because of his federal criminal record for entering a federal building under fraudulent pretenses and partly because Project Veritas has repeatedly failed to properly disclose O'Keefe's criminal convictions in applications for nonprofit status. Similar disclosure issues for the group's registration also exist in New Mexico, New York, and North Carolina.
massraider
Footballguy
On February 11, 2021, the Twitter account for Project Veritas was "permanently suspended for repeated violations of Twitter's private information policy." At the same time, O'Keefe's personal account was temporarily locked for violating the policy pending the deletion of a tweet. Twitter permanently suspended O'Keefe's personal account on April 15 for violating the website's policy on "platform manipulation and spam", which prohibits the use of fake accounts to "artificially amplify or disrupt conversations". O'Keefe denied that he used fake accounts on Twitter and stated that he intends to sue Twitter in response.
massraider
Footballguy
On March 5, 2013, O'Keefe agreed to pay $100,000 to former California ACORN employee Juan Carlos Vera, and acknowledged in the settlement that at the time he published his video he was unaware that Vera had notified the police about the incident. As part of the settlement, O'Keefe apologized for his actions, expressing regret for "any pain suffered by Mr. Vera or his family." Giles paid Vera $50,000 in a separate settlement in the summer of 2012.
Man, if that's winning a lawsuit, what does losing one look like?
Man, if that's winning a lawsuit, what does losing one look like?
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Elon Musk mocks new Twitter CEO:
https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1466074646240014340
What an epic takedown. Not far from the truth either.
https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1466074646240014340
What an epic takedown. Not far from the truth either.
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