Jacob Hester - LSU RB (1 Viewer)

[Sanboy]

I am a LSU alum and have friends that are in the program .. and i have been told Hester runs a 4.6

 

[sad pandas]

he'll make some squad, play ST, get some time at FB but basically disappear after 3 yrs...then in about 10 yrs he'll probably be coaching college or pros. He has football smarts and what seems like leadership. Got lots of college talent but prob not enough to make an impact in the NFL.

Either that or he'll be the next Sehorn

 

[twbillingsley]

4.5 in the 40

I think the word "Throwback" for Hester could be used for Hester. If by that you mean tough, football smart, seems to be faster with pads on, loves the little things like blocking, picking up a Blitz and hitting people.

My guess is Hester goes 3rd to 5th rd. His career will depend on getting the right Coach.

I think New England would be a great spot for him. Bill seems to like LSU players and Hester fits his mold Football Smarts, Plays anywhere he is asked, upstanding person, loves special teams and dont forget he fumbled in his first game and hasnt dropped it since.

The one thing Jacob Hester has that you cant measure is Heart.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Greg Jones but smaller.

 

[Pat Patriot]

4.5 in the 40I think the word "Throwback" for Hester could be used for Hester. If by that you mean tough, football smart, seems to be faster with pads on, loves the little things like blocking, picking up a Blitz and hitting people.My guess is Hester goes 3rd to 5th rd. His career will depend on getting the right Coach. I think New England would be a great spot for him. Bill seems to like LSU players and Hester fits his mold Football Smarts, Plays anywhere he is asked, upstanding person, loves special teams and dont forget he fumbled in his first game and hasnt dropped it since. The one thing Jacob Hester has that you cant measure is Heart.

The problem is that Hester is already on the NE roster and his name is Heath Evans. The RB position in NE should be manned by Maroney, Morris, Faulk, Evansand Faulks eventual replacement who they should draft. I dont think that guy is Jacob Hester. But you are right, Hester is a NE type of player.

 

[Raider Nation]

He won't even get drafted.

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Maybe some team will pick up up as a FA after the draft, but i doubt he even makes a roster.

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Since I first started this thread, everything I read on the scouting sites indicates he'll go somewhere around the 4th/5th round.

A lot of guys projected by "scouting sites" in January to go in the 5th round or so don't end up getting drafted.Hester won't do well at the combine, he definitely doesn't have the skill set of a Leonard (who for some reason he's getting compared to), and no team in their right mind will draft him to do anything at the RB position.

So if he gets drafted it will be for a special teams role, and those kind of guys can be picked up as FA's.

Odds of Hester getting drafted....20% or so. There is a decent shot some team will bring him in as a FA post draft though to get a look at him.

Smells like a wager to me. If you believe what you write, you'll put up $80 that he won't get drafted, and I'll put up $20 that he does.

Are we on?

No, i'm not going to give 4-1 betting on some guy who teams may take a chance on in one of the last rounds.

Or with the 69th overall pick...

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

link

With the 69th pick, acquired from New England, the Chargers took Hester. Considered a 5-foot-10 fullback, Hester was listed by the Chargers as a running back when they selected him, and that is what he is expected to be. They need a primary backup to LaDainian Tomlinson since Michael Turner left in free agency.

So impressed was Smith by Hester that the GM made New England an offer he felt it couldn't refuse, sending the Patriots a second-round pick in 2009 and a fifth-round pick this year.

“This is the guy we wanted,” Smith said.

Asked when he first targeted Hester, Smith said, “When I left the LSU campus in November.”

Hester, a standout special teams player as well, was flattered.

“For him to trade a second-round pick for me, it makes it that much more special,” Hester said.

Thomas (6-2, 215) was taken with the compensatory pick awarded to the Chargers for losing Donnie Edwards in free agency last year. He will make training camp interesting and should make the roster as a fifth running back and special teams player.

“We're going to create a very, very competitive situation,” Turner said. “Michael is a pure tailback. Jacob is a tailback but gives us more flexibility (to possibly line up at fullback at times). Jacob is an outstanding player. He's a complete player. . . . We see him as a running back but certainly a guy we can use at other spots.”

 

[Raider Nation]

Bloom,

Just happened to listen to your talk with Hester. Nice work.

People are missing some good stuff if they don't check out the interview forum.

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

I'd guess he has Michael Turner written all over him. Another nice sleeper pick this year.

It already announced he's second on the depth chart and LT missed the entire playoffs.

 

[MAC_32]

My rough draft dyno IDP rankings spat Jacob Hester out as the #12 RB along side Ryan Torain and Mike Hart. I think he'd be a quality 4th/5th round target in rookie drafts. Others?

 

[Bob Henry]

I'll admit from the get-go, as I've discussed offline with Bloom and Lammey, that I confess to having man love for Jacob Hester. Every year, there are a handful of college football players that catch my eye and then I try to catch every game (of their team) the rest of the year. Hester and Dennis Dixon were two of those guys for me last year. Brian Leonard the previous two years. That's just a setup and disclaimer for my post, it has nothing to do with my view of them as fantasy football players or my projections/rankings of them.

That said, I believe Hester is their Michael Turner for lack of a better comparison. In the event of LT getting hurt and missing significant time, I think Hester and Sproles would make for a nice RBBC.

Hester is the bruiser, between the tackles runner who (while not fast, elusive or altogether shifty) has exceptional pad level, balance and vision as a tailback. He is very good in short yardage situations. As Bloom told me once, "if it's 4th and goal and the national championship is in the balance for LSU, bet your *** that Hester gets the ball.."... Ironically, LSU was in that position (though not in the title game) and they didn't go to Hester on 4th down, and lost. Go figure. They still won the BCS title, so all was forgiven. (Darn Les Miles).

In the Chargers offense, I have no doubt that Hester would be serviceable and productive for a stretch of games while likely working in a committee approach with Sproles catching passes, taking draws and splitting the load somewhat. Hester would more than likely absorb more carries though..

All in all, as a fan of Hester, I think where he landed was as optimal as one could hope for given his talent and strengths.

 

[FUBAR]

My rough draft dyno IDP rankings spat Jacob Hester out as the #12 RB along side Ryan Torain and Mike Hart. I think he'd be a quality 4th/5th round target in rookie drafts. Others?

Depends on the league, but this LT owner will probably take him late in the 3rd. In some ways, I prefer Hart.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Hester is the bruiser, between the tackles runner who (while not fast, elusive or altogether shifty) has exceptional pad level, balance and vision as a tailback. He is very good in short yardage situations. As Bloom told me once, "if it's 4th and goal and the national championship is in the balance for LSU, bet your *** that Hester gets the ball.."... Ironically, LSU was in that position (though not in the title game) and they didn't go to Hester on 4th down, and lost. Go figure. They still won the BCS title, so all was forgiven. (Darn Les Miles).

hester got them the TD on 3rd and goal from the 2 in the previous OTChargers fans are going to LOVE this guy if they don't already know him.

 

[TheFanatic]

I just don't buy this guy as a RB. I guess I'm in the minority but I don't see him playing anything more than Fullback/Halfback/ST.

The kid has heart and a motor, but I'm not sure that will translate to NFL success....

 

[Gr00vus]

Bear in mind that Lorenzo Neal is gone, and Pinnock, his replacement is injured with an uncertain timetable for his return. Even were Pinnock healthy, I think the Chargers will get Hester plenty of reps at fullback/h-back in camp and preseason, possibly regular season if Pinnock's injury keeps him out longer. I imagine we'll see Hester in the backfield with LaDainian at certain points this season. Also bear in mind that Norv has de-emphasized the fullback role on the Chargers (the reason Neal left), so production (in FF terms) from that spot isn't going to add much to the value of whoever takes those reps. But from an NFL perspective Hester will give the Chargers some new options/dimensions they didn't have in addition to filling part of the mop up man/wrecking ball role that Michael Turner abdicated.

Ultimately I think Hester's future with the Chargers is as an up back, and that the Chargers will be looking to acquire LaDainian's long term replacement in the next couple of drafts.

 

[FTRWRTR]

To me san diego's actions speaks volumes and they gave up a 2nd and a 5th just to move up and get hester. You don't do that for someone you see as just a fullback. My gut says they not only expect him to be LT's backup for the next couple of seasons but also expect him to be their starting rb in the future.

 

[TheFanatic]

To me san diego's actions speaks volumes and they gave up a 2nd and a 5th just to move up and get hester. You don't do that for someone you see as just a fullback. My gut says they not only expect him to be LT's backup for the next couple of seasons but also expect him to be their starting rb in the future.

While FB doesn't get any love in FFB it does in the NFL. Ask any RB what they think of Lorenzo Neal who had Neal block for him for a season? The guy seems to be more versatile than simply a hole opener, but I just don't picture this guy stepping in and busting off 120 and 2 if LT got injured. At best he is part of a RBBC with Sproles. At worst he's a FB, 3rd down guy and and maybe short yardage back....I just don't see him getting any 1st down touches outside of the 3 yard line....

 

[cstu]

To me san diego's actions speaks volumes and they gave up a 2nd and a 5th just to move up and get hester. You don't do that for someone you see as just a fullback. My gut says they not only expect him to be LT's backup for the next couple of seasons but also expect him to be their starting rb in the future.

While FB doesn't get any love in FFB it does in the NFL. Ask any RB what they think of Lorenzo Neal who had Neal block for him for a season? The guy seems to be more versatile than simply a hole opener, but I just don't picture this guy stepping in and busting off 120 and 2 if LT got injured. At best he is part of a RBBC with Sproles. At worst he's a FB, 3rd down guy and and maybe short yardage back....I just don't see him getting any 1st down touches outside of the 3 yard line....

I think AJ liked the options it gave them. Even though the team doesn't need true FB, Hester is versatile enough to be a challenge to defenses when he's on the field with LT. He can make it very hard for defenses to figure out the play since he could be in a FB for LT, run it himself, pass block or go out for a pass - similar to what Neal did for them. He wasn't meant as a true backup for LT, but I'm sure if LT was hurt they could get the job done with a combination of Sproles and Hester.

 

[TheFanatic]

To me san diego's actions speaks volumes and they gave up a 2nd and a 5th just to move up and get hester. You don't do that for someone you see as just a fullback. My gut says they not only expect him to be LT's backup for the next couple of seasons but also expect him to be their starting rb in the future.

While FB doesn't get any love in FFB it does in the NFL. Ask any RB what they think of Lorenzo Neal who had Neal block for him for a season? The guy seems to be more versatile than simply a hole opener, but I just don't picture this guy stepping in and busting off 120 and 2 if LT got injured. At best he is part of a RBBC with Sproles. At worst he's a FB, 3rd down guy and and maybe short yardage back....I just don't see him getting any 1st down touches outside of the 3 yard line....

I think AJ liked the options it gave them. Even though the team doesn't need true FB, Hester is versatile enough to be a challenge to defenses when he's on the field with LT. He can make it very hard for defenses to figure out the play since he could be in a FB for LT, run it himself, pass block or go out for a pass - similar to what Neal did for them. He wasn't meant as a true backup for LT, but I'm sure if LT was hurt they could get the job done with a combination of Sproles and Hester.

I think this is the guy's ceiling. Pulling RBBC if LT goes down. Only really worthwhile as a start if he gets a TD because I doubt he gets many yards. To anoint the guy the handcuff to LT as the newsletter did today is really premature to me....

 

[Couch Potato]

To me san diego's actions speaks volumes and they gave up a 2nd and a 5th just to move up and get hester. You don't do that for someone you see as just a fullback. My gut says they not only expect him to be LT's backup for the next couple of seasons but also expect him to be their starting rb in the future.

While FB doesn't get any love in FFB it does in the NFL. Ask any RB what they think of Lorenzo Neal who had Neal block for him for a season? The guy seems to be more versatile than simply a hole opener, but I just don't picture this guy stepping in and busting off 120 and 2 if LT got injured. At best he is part of a RBBC with Sproles. At worst he's a FB, 3rd down guy and and maybe short yardage back....I just don't see him getting any 1st down touches outside of the 3 yard line....

I think AJ liked the options it gave them. Even though the team doesn't need true FB, Hester is versatile enough to be a challenge to defenses when he's on the field with LT. He can make it very hard for defenses to figure out the play since he could be in a FB for LT, run it himself, pass block or go out for a pass - similar to what Neal did for them. He wasn't meant as a true backup for LT, but I'm sure if LT was hurt they could get the job done with a combination of Sproles and Hester.

I think this is the guy's ceiling. Pulling RBBC if LT goes down. Only really worthwhile as a start if he gets a TD because I doubt he gets many yards. To anoint the guy the handcuff to LT as the newsletter did today is really premature to me....

Not a true backup for LT? Premature?? Why??? 1) SD traded a 5th this year and a 2nd next year to get him in the 3rd. They didn't have a 2nd this year or apparently they would have taken him then, given the trade value given up.

2) In case folks haven't noticed, SD General Manager AJ Smith has shown he has a damn good understanding of what he's doing.

3) The GM says “This is the guy we wanted."

4) The HC (Norv Turner, and let's not forget that Norv teams have always been RB FF heaven) says"Jacob is a tailback but gives us more flexibility (to possibly line up at fullback at times). Jacob is an outstanding player. He's a complete player."

Some guys on this message board just kill me. You get it in your heads what YOU think a guy ought to be and that's that, the facts be damned. But hey, if you guys want to go ahead and believe he's not a true tailback or that it's premature to anoint him as LT's handcuff, you go right ahead because you obviously are better at assessing what will happen than the Chargers' GM and HC. Good luck with that.

 

[JAA]

IMO 0 value

 

[TheFanatic]

To me san diego's actions speaks volumes and they gave up a 2nd and a 5th just to move up and get hester. You don't do that for someone you see as just a fullback. My gut says they not only expect him to be LT's backup for the next couple of seasons but also expect him to be their starting rb in the future.

While FB doesn't get any love in FFB it does in the NFL. Ask any RB what they think of Lorenzo Neal who had Neal block for him for a season? The guy seems to be more versatile than simply a hole opener, but I just don't picture this guy stepping in and busting off 120 and 2 if LT got injured. At best he is part of a RBBC with Sproles. At worst he's a FB, 3rd down guy and and maybe short yardage back....I just don't see him getting any 1st down touches outside of the 3 yard line....

I think AJ liked the options it gave them. Even though the team doesn't need true FB, Hester is versatile enough to be a challenge to defenses when he's on the field with LT. He can make it very hard for defenses to figure out the play since he could be in a FB for LT, run it himself, pass block or go out for a pass - similar to what Neal did for them. He wasn't meant as a true backup for LT, but I'm sure if LT was hurt they could get the job done with a combination of Sproles and Hester.

I think this is the guy's ceiling. Pulling RBBC if LT goes down. Only really worthwhile as a start if he gets a TD because I doubt he gets many yards. To anoint the guy the handcuff to LT as the newsletter did today is really premature to me....

Not a true backup for LT? Premature?? Why??? 1) SD traded a 5th this year and a 2nd next year to get him in the 3rd. They didn't have a 2nd this year or apparently they would have taken him then, given the trade value given up.

2) In case folks haven't noticed, SD General Manager AJ Smith has shown he has a damn good understanding of what he's doing.

3) The GM says “This is the guy we wanted."

4) The HC (Norv Turner, and let's not forget that Norv teams have always been RB FF heaven) says"Jacob is a tailback but gives us more flexibility (to possibly line up at fullback at times). Jacob is an outstanding player. He's a complete player."

Some guys on this message board just kill me. You get it in your heads what YOU think a guy ought to be and that's that, the facts be damned. But hey, if you guys want to go ahead and believe he's not a true tailback or that it's premature to anoint him as LT's handcuff, you go right ahead because you obviously are better at assessing what will happen than the Chargers' GM and HC. Good luck with that.

It also cracks me up when someone listens to the glowing reviews someone gives a guy they just drafted who has yet to play a down in the NFL. If he has such ability to be an NFL tailback why was he used as a FB in college? I'll admit that the LSU coaching staff may not be as smart as the SD coaching staff but it's still a valid point. Do you believe Lovie Smith and the Bears GM when they say they really didn't need to draft a QB in the 2008 draft (or 2007, or 2006)?

But, by all means take what the CM and coach have to say about a kid the week after the draft as the word of almighty God. If we all did that then we should be carving busts in Canton for every player drafted every year.

Last year the Rams thought that Brian Leonard was the perfect backup for SJax after the draft. How did that work out for them?

But with no healthy full back on the roster I don't see the kid doing anything else other than play FB. He may be a complete player according to Turner, but if LT goes down and the FB isn't healthy yet, do you think Sproles or Hester plays FB?

Also, Sproles played damn well in relief of LT when Turner wasn't in there. I don't recall Sproles being asked to get tough inside yardage around the goal line but he was great between the 20's. I don't really see them messing with success.

I will admit that Turner was able to make SDavis into a pretty good back and many thought that he was just a FB.

Still, I think I will temper my opinions of players based on what a coach or GM says a couple of days after the draft particularly if that player has never played a down in the NFL.

 

[cstu]

To me san diego's actions speaks volumes and they gave up a 2nd and a 5th just to move up and get hester. You don't do that for someone you see as just a fullback. My gut says they not only expect him to be LT's backup for the next couple of seasons but also expect him to be their starting rb in the future.

While FB doesn't get any love in FFB it does in the NFL. Ask any RB what they think of Lorenzo Neal who had Neal block for him for a season? The guy seems to be more versatile than simply a hole opener, but I just don't picture this guy stepping in and busting off 120 and 2 if LT got injured. At best he is part of a RBBC with Sproles. At worst he's a FB, 3rd down guy and and maybe short yardage back....I just don't see him getting any 1st down touches outside of the 3 yard line....

I think AJ liked the options it gave them. Even though the team doesn't need true FB, Hester is versatile enough to be a challenge to defenses when he's on the field with LT. He can make it very hard for defenses to figure out the play since he could be in a FB for LT, run it himself, pass block or go out for a pass - similar to what Neal did for them. He wasn't meant as a true backup for LT, but I'm sure if LT was hurt they could get the job done with a combination of Sproles and Hester.

I think this is the guy's ceiling. Pulling RBBC if LT goes down. Only really worthwhile as a start if he gets a TD because I doubt he gets many yards. To anoint the guy the handcuff to LT as the newsletter did today is really premature to me....

Not a true backup for LT? Premature?? Why??? 1) SD traded a 5th this year and a 2nd next year to get him in the 3rd. They didn't have a 2nd this year or apparently they would have taken him then, given the trade value given up.

2) In case folks haven't noticed, SD General Manager AJ Smith has shown he has a damn good understanding of what he's doing.

3) The GM says “This is the guy we wanted."

4) The HC (Norv Turner, and let's not forget that Norv teams have always been RB FF heaven) says"Jacob is a tailback but gives us more flexibility (to possibly line up at fullback at times). Jacob is an outstanding player. He's a complete player."

Some guys on this message board just kill me. You get it in your heads what YOU think a guy ought to be and that's that, the facts be damned. But hey, if you guys want to go ahead and believe he's not a true tailback or that it's premature to anoint him as LT's handcuff, you go right ahead because you obviously are better at assessing what will happen than the Chargers' GM and HC. Good luck with that.

All I'm saying is that I've been following closely what AJ has done in SD and see Hester as a back drafted to fit an important hole on offense. Neal probably didn't seem that important to non-Chargers fans but I can tell you he had a big role outside of just blocking for LT. By saying Hester was not being drafted to be the true backup to LT I didn't mean to imply he wouldn't be able to fill in for LT, just he wasn't drafted for that. I do believe that Hester would get most of the carries in LT's absence but it would be RBBC with Sproles. LT owners should absolutely try to get Hester, but I don't see him as more than a stopgap until the Chargers can get another back to be the starter because of what Hester brings to the table at FB.

 

[Couch Potato]

To me san diego's actions speaks volumes and they gave up a 2nd and a 5th just to move up and get hester. You don't do that for someone you see as just a fullback. My gut says they not only expect him to be LT's backup for the next couple of seasons but also expect him to be their starting rb in the future.

While FB doesn't get any love in FFB it does in the NFL. Ask any RB what they think of Lorenzo Neal who had Neal block for him for a season? The guy seems to be more versatile than simply a hole opener, but I just don't picture this guy stepping in and busting off 120 and 2 if LT got injured. At best he is part of a RBBC with Sproles. At worst he's a FB, 3rd down guy and and maybe short yardage back....I just don't see him getting any 1st down touches outside of the 3 yard line....

I think AJ liked the options it gave them. Even though the team doesn't need true FB, Hester is versatile enough to be a challenge to defenses when he's on the field with LT. He can make it very hard for defenses to figure out the play since he could be in a FB for LT, run it himself, pass block or go out for a pass - similar to what Neal did for them. He wasn't meant as a true backup for LT, but I'm sure if LT was hurt they could get the job done with a combination of Sproles and Hester.

I think this is the guy's ceiling. Pulling RBBC if LT goes down. Only really worthwhile as a start if he gets a TD because I doubt he gets many yards. To anoint the guy the handcuff to LT as the newsletter did today is really premature to me....

Not a true backup for LT? Premature?? Why??? 1) SD traded a 5th this year and a 2nd next year to get him in the 3rd. They didn't have a 2nd this year or apparently they would have taken him then, given the trade value given up.

2) In case folks haven't noticed, SD General Manager AJ Smith has shown he has a damn good understanding of what he's doing.

3) The GM says “This is the guy we wanted."

4) The HC (Norv Turner, and let's not forget that Norv teams have always been RB FF heaven) says"Jacob is a tailback but gives us more flexibility (to possibly line up at fullback at times). Jacob is an outstanding player. He's a complete player."

Some guys on this message board just kill me. You get it in your heads what YOU think a guy ought to be and that's that, the facts be damned. But hey, if you guys want to go ahead and believe he's not a true tailback or that it's premature to anoint him as LT's handcuff, you go right ahead because you obviously are better at assessing what will happen than the Chargers' GM and HC. Good luck with that.

It also cracks me up when someone listens to the glowing reviews someone gives a guy they just drafted who has yet to play a down in the NFL. If he has such ability to be an NFL tailback why was he used as a FB in college? I'll admit that the LSU coaching staff may not be as smart as the SD coaching staff but it's still a valid point. Do you believe Lovie Smith and the Bears GM when they say they really didn't need to draft a QB in the 2008 draft (or 2007, or 2006)?

But, by all means take what the CM and coach have to say about a kid the week after the draft as the word of almighty God. If we all did that then we should be carving busts in Canton for every player drafted every year.

Last year the Rams thought that Brian Leonard was the perfect backup for SJax after the draft. How did that work out for them?

But with no healthy full back on the roster I don't see the kid doing anything else other than play FB. He may be a complete player according to Turner, but if LT goes down and the FB isn't healthy yet, do you think Sproles or Hester plays FB?

Also, Sproles played damn well in relief of LT when Turner wasn't in there. I don't recall Sproles being asked to get tough inside yardage around the goal line but he was great between the 20's. I don't really see them messing with success.

I will admit that Turner was able to make SDavis into a pretty good back and many thought that he was just a FB.

Still, I think I will temper my opinions of players based on what a coach or GM says a couple of days after the draft particularly if that player has never played a down in the NFL.

I'll say it again. I'll trust what the Chargers' GM and HC think of him. You trust whatever you like. Using the Bears and the Rams as examples means nada to me. AJ Smith said he had Hester targeted as LT's backup since last NOVEMBER. AJ's track record speaks volumes, and I'm listening.By the way, your FB in college comment? You forgot to mention he was their tailback last year when they won the national championship, gaining over 1100 yards (YPC over 5) and scoring 12 times. Slight oversight I guess.

 

[TheFanatic]

To me san diego's actions speaks volumes and they gave up a 2nd and a 5th just to move up and get hester. You don't do that for someone you see as just a fullback. My gut says they not only expect him to be LT's backup for the next couple of seasons but also expect him to be their starting rb in the future.

While FB doesn't get any love in FFB it does in the NFL. Ask any RB what they think of Lorenzo Neal who had Neal block for him for a season? The guy seems to be more versatile than simply a hole opener, but I just don't picture this guy stepping in and busting off 120 and 2 if LT got injured. At best he is part of a RBBC with Sproles. At worst he's a FB, 3rd down guy and and maybe short yardage back....I just don't see him getting any 1st down touches outside of the 3 yard line....

I think AJ liked the options it gave them. Even though the team doesn't need true FB, Hester is versatile enough to be a challenge to defenses when he's on the field with LT. He can make it very hard for defenses to figure out the play since he could be in a FB for LT, run it himself, pass block or go out for a pass - similar to what Neal did for them. He wasn't meant as a true backup for LT, but I'm sure if LT was hurt they could get the job done with a combination of Sproles and Hester.

I think this is the guy's ceiling. Pulling RBBC if LT goes down. Only really worthwhile as a start if he gets a TD because I doubt he gets many yards. To anoint the guy the handcuff to LT as the newsletter did today is really premature to me....

Not a true backup for LT? Premature?? Why??? 1) SD traded a 5th this year and a 2nd next year to get him in the 3rd. They didn't have a 2nd this year or apparently they would have taken him then, given the trade value given up.

2) In case folks haven't noticed, SD General Manager AJ Smith has shown he has a damn good understanding of what he's doing.

3) The GM says “This is the guy we wanted."

4) The HC (Norv Turner, and let's not forget that Norv teams have always been RB FF heaven) says"Jacob is a tailback but gives us more flexibility (to possibly line up at fullback at times). Jacob is an outstanding player. He's a complete player."

Some guys on this message board just kill me. You get it in your heads what YOU think a guy ought to be and that's that, the facts be damned. But hey, if you guys want to go ahead and believe he's not a true tailback or that it's premature to anoint him as LT's handcuff, you go right ahead because you obviously are better at assessing what will happen than the Chargers' GM and HC. Good luck with that.

It also cracks me up when someone listens to the glowing reviews someone gives a guy they just drafted who has yet to play a down in the NFL. If he has such ability to be an NFL tailback why was he used as a FB in college? I'll admit that the LSU coaching staff may not be as smart as the SD coaching staff but it's still a valid point. Do you believe Lovie Smith and the Bears GM when they say they really didn't need to draft a QB in the 2008 draft (or 2007, or 2006)?

But, by all means take what the CM and coach have to say about a kid the week after the draft as the word of almighty God. If we all did that then we should be carving busts in Canton for every player drafted every year.

Last year the Rams thought that Brian Leonard was the perfect backup for SJax after the draft. How did that work out for them?

But with no healthy full back on the roster I don't see the kid doing anything else other than play FB. He may be a complete player according to Turner, but if LT goes down and the FB isn't healthy yet, do you think Sproles or Hester plays FB?

Also, Sproles played damn well in relief of LT when Turner wasn't in there. I don't recall Sproles being asked to get tough inside yardage around the goal line but he was great between the 20's. I don't really see them messing with success.

I will admit that Turner was able to make SDavis into a pretty good back and many thought that he was just a FB.

Still, I think I will temper my opinions of players based on what a coach or GM says a couple of days after the draft particularly if that player has never played a down in the NFL.

I'll say it again. I'll trust what the Chargers' GM and HC think of him. You trust whatever you like. Using the Bears and the Rams as examples means nada to me. AJ Smith said he had Hester pegged as LT's backup since last NOVEMBER. AJ's track record speaks volumes, and I'm listening.

Bang up job on Ryan Leaf. Rivers over Brees. Nice job there too. Damn good job in evaluating WR talent as well. They made a great call on LT. And they may have made a great call on Turner but we really don't know yet. So, be sure to stock up on Charger WR's and grab Rivers and Hester and if LT goes down you should be in great shape Everyone makes mistakes. Oh, and the Bears and the Rams both have been to the SB in the last 10 years. How far have the Chargers made it in that time?

But hey, trust whatever coach speak you hear the week after the draft. It should take you far. When's the last time a coach or GM came out and said anything negative, and I mean anything other than a guy is raw, about a player they drafted the week after the draft?

Do you expect them to say, "hester is a tweener that gives a lot of options should LT go down but he's by no means a long term solution for anything and will likely split time with Sproles in that event?"

Either way, do you really see anyone starting either Sproles or Hester should LT go down in FFB? You might get lucky and start one and that guy get in the endzone twice but it's still a huge long shot that either will be very productive.

Oh, and please post the link to AJ saying that he had Hester pegged as LT's backup in November. I believe that he said that he was targeting Hester once he left LSU's campus. Was AJ at an LSU game in Nov? Was he actively working out college players before the end of the season?

 

[TheFanatic]

By the way, your FB in college comment? You forgot to mention he was their tailback last year when they won the national championship, gaining over 1100 yards (YPC over 5) and scoring 12 times. Slight oversight I guess.

Like I said, he is versatile. He played 3 years at FB, and 1 at RB. Still seems to be a tweener to me. Seems that way to the other 31 teams that passed on him for 3 rounds. So, hey, AJ Smith likes one of his draft picks a lot the week after the draft. Gee, couldn't have seen that coming....

 

[Couch Potato]

Bang up job on Ryan Leaf. Rivers over Brees. Nice job there too. Damn good job in evaluating WR talent as well. They made a great call on LT. And they may have made a great call on Turner but we really don't know yet. So, be sure to stock up on Charger WR's and grab Rivers and Hester and if LT goes down you should be in great shape

Everyone makes mistakes. Oh, and the Bears and the Rams both have been to the SB in the last 10 years. How far have the Chargers made it in that time?

But hey, trust whatever coach speak you hear the week after the draft. It should take you far. When's the last time a coach or GM came out and said anything negative, and I mean anything other than a guy is raw, about a player they drafted the week after the draft?

Do you expect them to say, "hester is a tweener that gives a lot of options should LT go down but he's by no means a long term solution for anything and will likely split time with Sproles in that event?"

Either way, do you really see anyone starting either Sproles or Hester should LT go down in FFB? You might get lucky and start one and that guy get in the endzone twice but it's still a huge long shot that either will be very productive.

Oh, and please post the link to AJ saying that he had Hester pegged as LT's backup in November. I believe that he said that he was targeting Hester once he left LSU's campus. Was AJ at an LSU game in Nov? Was he actively working out college players before the end of the season?

1) Right away you start off pretty badly, not knowing your facts. What does AJ Smith have to do with Ryan Leaf? Are you just pulling arguments out of your ###? Leaf was long before Smith came along. Beathard drafted him.2) Arguing that the Rams and Bears have been to the SB in the last 10 years and the Chargers have not is totally irrelevant. Your comment regarding the Bears was "Do you believe Lovie Smith and the Bears GM when they say they really didn't need to draft a QB in the 2008 draft" (which made no sense BTW since they didn't draft a QB in 2008), and your point about the Rams drafting Leonard as the handcuff in 2007 has nothing to do with a Super Bowl won years ago with a whole different coaching and front office staff. Bizarre argument there by you.

3) AJ drafted Turner in the 5th round and you don't know yet if that was a good pick? Uh, OK... Look, I'm not going to argue about every pick or move he ever made, and if you like Brees over Rivers, fine. But drafting Manning and swapping him for Rivers also netted picks that became Kaeding and Merriman, and Brees had a torn labrum when he left, so there was a lot of justifiable concern there. AJ also found some UDFA named Antonio Gates that worked out pretty well.

4) As for coachspeak, you're just not getting it. It's not coachspeak to trade a 2nd next year and a 5th this year to get a player they badly want. It's action. It's got nothing to do with positive fluff. They got their man, went out of their way to do so, and told the media why. What should we do, instead assume every single comment anyone in the NFL makes is a lie? This isn't pre-draft talk, or pre-game talk, so why would they lie? They told it like it is. They got the guy they wanted. They didn't trade up to just take whoever might be available. They traded up for one guy, and then told the media what their plans are for him. Geez.

5) Do I think anyone would actually start Hester if LT went down? Are you kidding me? Gee, why would I start the SD tailback I wonder. Tough call there.

6) You want a link on the November comment, and your tone implies I'm full of it, sarcastically stating "Was AJ at an LSU game in Nov? Was he actively working out college players before the end of the season?"

Here you go pal.

First a write-up from Rotowire:

http://www.rotowire.com/roto_to_gnews.htm?...6&sport=nfl

General Manager A.J. Smith says that he has been targeting Hester as the primary backup for LaDainian Tomlinson since seeing him back at LSU in November. The Chargers wanted Hester so badly that they traded a 2009 second-round draft pick along with a fifth-rounder this year for the right to select Hester in the third round on Sunday. He is being described as strong and deceptively quick, and appears to be the overwhelming favorite to replace Michael Turner, who departed in free agency this offseason.

But of course you won't trust a non-direct quote, so go back and re-read Bloom's post #57 above, quoting Smith:

Asked when he first targeted Hester, Smith said, “When I left the LSU campus in November.”

I'm done here. You try to argue without knowledge or facts and it just makes you look bad.

 

[TheFanatic]

1) Right away you start off pretty badly, not knowing your facts. What does AJ Smith have to do with Ryan Leaf? Are you just pulling arguments out of your ###? Leaf was long before Smith came along. Beathard drafted him.

I was just thinking about all the bad players that the Chargers have drafted. Sorry to confuse GM's there homer.

2) Arguing that the Rams and Bears have been to the SB in the last 10 years and the Chargers have not is totally irrelevant. Your comment regarding the Bears was "Do you believe Lovie Smith and the Bears GM when they say they really didn't need to draft a QB in the 2008 draft" (which made no sense BTW since they didn't draft a QB in 2008), and your point about the Rams drafting Leonard as the handcuff in 2007 has nothing to do with a Super Bowl won years ago with a whole different coaching and front office staff. Bizarre argument there by you.

You make it seem like the Bears and Rams know nothing about personnel. But those two franchises have been two 3 different SB's between them in the last decade. Seems they have gotten some personnel decisions right in the past. You knock me for questioning the judgment of AJ Smith yet you are allowed to mock the judgment of two teams of Front Office people that get paid to assess talent. Nice double standard there guy. My point about the Chicago QB is that they didn't draft a QB yet they say they really don't need one and had a great draft which is a load of crap since they have yet to address the most important position on the field. So, guess what, front offices are fallible. Even SD's. But what is iron clad is draft love that every coach and GM has for every player they drafted.

I heard an interview the other day by a Rams VP about Mr. Irrelevant. By the end of the interview I was thinking of buying the kids jersey. I'm sure you already have the Hester Jersey on order....

3) AJ drafted Turner in the 5th round and you don't know yet if that was a good pick? Uh, OK... Look, I'm not going to argue about every pick or move he ever made, and if you like Brees over Rivers, fine. But drafting Manning and swapping him for Rivers also netted picks that became Kaeding and Merriman, and Brees had a torn labrum when he left, so there was a lot of justifiable concern there. AJ also found some UDFA named Antonio Gates that worked out pretty well.

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him. So, was he a good pick? I don't know and if you think you do then you are a fool. He's gonna get every chance to prove he was a good pick but at this point the jury is still out, as it is on Hester. Except in your mind homer.

4) As for coachspeak, you're just not getting it. It's not coachspeak to trade a 2nd next year and a 5th this year to get a player they badly want. It's action. It's got nothing to do with positive fluff. They got their man, went out of their way to do so, and told the media why. What should we do, instead assume every single comment anyone in the NFL makes is a lie? This isn't pre-draft talk, or pre-game talk, so why would they lie? They told it like it is. They got the guy they wanted. They didn't trade up to just take whoever might be available. They traded up for one guy, and then told the media what their plans are for him. Geez.

I will ask it again. Has any coach or GM every said anything negative, other than a guy is raw or may need to bulk up, in the few weeks following the draft. Has a coach ever said, "we took a flyer on the guy late. Doubt he works out. If he does it will be great but we didn't spend much on the guy?" Why? Because coaches and GM's LIE after the draft. All of them tell their mindless fans (yourself more than most) that they hit a home run at the draft. And of course they are going to pimp this guy. According to most draft people they way over reached on the guy. Most had him going in the 4th or 5th round. Not only did they draft him too early but they paid waaaayyyy too much to do so. What do you think they are going to say about the guy? "Yeah, we may have reached a little on that one?" No, they want to build the kid's confidence...

Do you honestly believe that coaches and GM's don't lie through their teeth about their draft classes and play up their players more then the players deserve? Are you really that naive?

5) Do I think anyone would actually start Hester if LT went down? Are you kidding me? Gee, why would I start the SD tailback I wonder. Tough call there.

You might want to wait till training camp and the Chargers actually play a game or two (even preseason games) before you mark down Hester as the backup in stone. Guess what. Guys move up and down the depth chart all the time. Didn't somebody say that Hester was second on the depth chart? Hard for that to be since they still have Michael Turner there. It just shows that depth charts and what coaches and GM say this time of year doesn't mean a thing.

6) You want a link on the November comment, and your tone implies I'm full of it, sarcastically stating "Was AJ at an LSU game in Nov? Was he actively working out college players before the end of the season?"

Here you go pal.

First a write-up from Rotowire:

http://www.rotowire.com/roto_to_gnews.htm?...6&sport=nfl

General Manager A.J. Smith says that he has been targeting Hester as the primary backup for LaDainian Tomlinson since seeing him back at LSU in November. The Chargers wanted Hester so badly that they traded a 2009 second-round draft pick along with a fifth-rounder this year for the right to select Hester in the third round on Sunday. He is being described as strong and deceptively quick, and appears to be the overwhelming favorite to replace Michael Turner, who departed in free agency this offseason.

But of course you won't trust a non-direct quote, so go back and re-read Bloom's post #57 above, quoting Smith:

Asked when he first targeted Hester, Smith said, “When I left the LSU campus in November.”

I'm done here. You try to argue without knowledge or facts and it just makes you look bad.

Yeap, missed this. My bad. From what I had heard it sounded like he was working the kid out in November which is not possible. But the point remains that just because a team gets their guy doesn't mean he will be any good. Leaf was your guy once no matter who drafted him. Harrington was Detroit's guy (OK, bad example there considering Millen's ineptitude). But you get the idea. Or maybe you don't. Reggie Bush was hyped as the second coming before he got drafted and the guy is nothing but mediocre as a RB.

You do realize that players drafted in the 3rd round bust all the time. Sometimes players in the 2nd round do as well. New flash. 1st rounder bust too. This kid could be cut in training camp. But you are probably online right now ordering Hester jersey.

Good luck with that homer....

 

[cstu]

Like I said at the time, I was thinking about picking him right before you if I didn't trade the pick.

Just few more comments:

1) I love the guy for the Chargers and he'll fit in the Turner/Neal roles just fine. They desperately needed a guy like him.

2) The trade was not that much - the Chargers should make the playoffs and the 2nd they gave up is just a few picks later than the one they got for Hester. The 5th isn't much to be concerned with.

3) My only issue for dynasty purposes is this - while he would carry a lot of the load if LT is out this year, I just don't see him taking over after LT is gone. My belief is that Norv wanted another Moose Johnston - and got him.

4) He is going to be #22 - one better than LT

 

[identikit]

1) Right away you start off pretty badly, not knowing your facts. What does AJ Smith have to do with Ryan Leaf? Are you just pulling arguments out of your ###? Leaf was long before Smith came along. Beathard drafted him.

I was just thinking about all the bad players that the Chargers have drafted. Sorry to confuse GM's there homer.

2) Arguing that the Rams and Bears have been to the SB in the last 10 years and the Chargers have not is totally irrelevant. Your comment regarding the Bears was "Do you believe Lovie Smith and the Bears GM when they say they really didn't need to draft a QB in the 2008 draft" (which made no sense BTW since they didn't draft a QB in 2008), and your point about the Rams drafting Leonard as the handcuff in 2007 has nothing to do with a Super Bowl won years ago with a whole different coaching and front office staff. Bizarre argument there by you.

You make it seem like the Bears and Rams know nothing about personnel. But those two franchises have been two 3 different SB's between them in the last decade. Seems they have gotten some personnel decisions right in the past. You knock me for questioning the judgment of AJ Smith yet you are allowed to mock the judgment of two teams of Front Office people that get paid to assess talent. Nice double standard there guy. My point about the Chicago QB is that they didn't draft a QB yet they say they really don't need one and had a great draft which is a load of crap since they have yet to address the most important position on the field. So, guess what, front offices are fallible. Even SD's. But what is iron clad is draft love that every coach and GM has for every player they drafted.

I heard an interview the other day by a Rams VP about Mr. Irrelevant. By the end of the interview I was thinking of buying the kids jersey. I'm sure you already have the Hester Jersey on order....

3) AJ drafted Turner in the 5th round and you don't know yet if that was a good pick? Uh, OK... Look, I'm not going to argue about every pick or move he ever made, and if you like Brees over Rivers, fine. But drafting Manning and swapping him for Rivers also netted picks that became Kaeding and Merriman, and Brees had a torn labrum when he left, so there was a lot of justifiable concern there. AJ also found some UDFA named Antonio Gates that worked out pretty well.

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him. So, was he a good pick? I don't know and if you think you do then you are a fool. He's gonna get every chance to prove he was a good pick but at this point the jury is still out, as it is on Hester. Except in your mind homer.

4) As for coachspeak, you're just not getting it. It's not coachspeak to trade a 2nd next year and a 5th this year to get a player they badly want. It's action. It's got nothing to do with positive fluff. They got their man, went out of their way to do so, and told the media why. What should we do, instead assume every single comment anyone in the NFL makes is a lie? This isn't pre-draft talk, or pre-game talk, so why would they lie? They told it like it is. They got the guy they wanted. They didn't trade up to just take whoever might be available. They traded up for one guy, and then told the media what their plans are for him. Geez.

I will ask it again. Has any coach or GM every said anything negative, other than a guy is raw or may need to bulk up, in the few weeks following the draft. Has a coach ever said, "we took a flyer on the guy late. Doubt he works out. If he does it will be great but we didn't spend much on the guy?" Why? Because coaches and GM's LIE after the draft. All of them tell their mindless fans (yourself more than most) that they hit a home run at the draft. And of course they are going to pimp this guy. According to most draft people they way over reached on the guy. Most had him going in the 4th or 5th round. Not only did they draft him too early but they paid waaaayyyy too much to do so. What do you think they are going to say about the guy? "Yeah, we may have reached a little on that one?" No, they want to build the kid's confidence...

Do you honestly believe that coaches and GM's don't lie through their teeth about their draft classes and play up their players more then the players deserve? Are you really that naive?

5) Do I think anyone would actually start Hester if LT went down? Are you kidding me? Gee, why would I start the SD tailback I wonder. Tough call there.

You might want to wait till training camp and the Chargers actually play a game or two (even preseason games) before you mark down Hester as the backup in stone. Guess what. Guys move up and down the depth chart all the time. Didn't somebody say that Hester was second on the depth chart? Hard for that to be since they still have Michael Turner there. It just shows that depth charts and what coaches and GM say this time of year doesn't mean a thing.

6) You want a link on the November comment, and your tone implies I'm full of it, sarcastically stating "Was AJ at an LSU game in Nov? Was he actively working out college players before the end of the season?"

Here you go pal.

First a write-up from Rotowire:

http://www.rotowire.com/roto_to_gnews.htm?...6&sport=nfl

General Manager A.J. Smith says that he has been targeting Hester as the primary backup for LaDainian Tomlinson since seeing him back at LSU in November. The Chargers wanted Hester so badly that they traded a 2009 second-round draft pick along with a fifth-rounder this year for the right to select Hester in the third round on Sunday. He is being described as strong and deceptively quick, and appears to be the overwhelming favorite to replace Michael Turner, who departed in free agency this offseason.

But of course you won't trust a non-direct quote, so go back and re-read Bloom's post #57 above, quoting Smith:

Asked when he first targeted Hester, Smith said, “When I left the LSU campus in November.”

I'm done here. You try to argue without knowledge or facts and it just makes you look bad.

Yeap, missed this. My bad. From what I had heard it sounded like he was working the kid out in November which is not possible. But the point remains that just because a team gets their guy doesn't mean he will be any good. Leaf was your guy once no matter who drafted him. Harrington was Detroit's guy (OK, bad example there considering Millen's ineptitude). But you get the idea. Or maybe you don't. Reggie Bush was hyped as the second coming before he got drafted and the guy is nothing but mediocre as a RB.

You do realize that players drafted in the 3rd round bust all the time. Sometimes players in the 2nd round do as well. New flash. 1st rounder bust too. This kid could be cut in training camp. But you are probably online right now ordering Hester jersey.

Good luck with that homer....

CP may be a 'homer' as you say, but he has the facts on his side in this case.

Accuracy trumps homerism. Trumps lame attempts at name-calling too.

 

[FUBAR]

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him.

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[Couch Potato]

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him.

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Yeah, he keeps being factually incorrect. I wasn't going to bother posting, so thanks for pointing it out. His last post was filled with more garbage (in addition to calling me 'homer' all the time for some reason -- I've never been a SD fan). He keeps going back to old Rams teams for some reason as though that is support for something, not understanding that a team name isn't relevant if it's a completely different coaching and front office group. He still thinks Turner might not have been worth a freaking 5th rounder, etc. I could go on, but it's pointless. Nothing I said got through. And now his argument has gone from whether Hester was targeted as LT's primary backup to whether he'll bust. I give up.

 

[Banger]

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him.

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Yeah, he keeps being factually incorrect. I wasn't going to bother posting, so thanks for pointing it out. His last post was filled with more garbage (in addition to calling me 'homer' all the time for some reason -- I've never been a SD fan). He keeps going back to old Rams teams for some reason as though that is support for something, not understanding that a team name isn't relevant if it's a completely different coaching and front office group. He still thinks Turner might not have been worth a freaking 5th rounder, etc. I could go on, but it's pointless. Nothing I said got through. And now his argument has gone from whether Hester was targeted as LT's primary backup to whether he'll bust. I give up.

Good posts as usual CP.

 

[FUBAR]

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him.

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Yeah, he keeps being factually incorrect. I wasn't going to bother posting, so thanks for pointing it out. His last post was filled with more garbage (in addition to calling me 'homer' all the time for some reason -- I've never been a SD fan). He keeps going back to old Rams teams for some reason as though that is support for something, not understanding that a team name isn't relevant if it's a completely different coaching and front office group. He still thinks Turner might not have been worth a freaking 5th rounder, etc. I could go on, but it's pointless. Nothing I said got through. And now his argument has gone from whether Hester was targeted as LT's primary backup to whether he'll bust. I give up.

Yeah, I can usually look past the insults, looking for some analysis, but getting facts blatantly wrong just bothers me.

 

[shader]

I can't believe some people are raising the value of a player because the GM says he really likes him!

I'd like to see the day where a GM says "you know, we decided to pick the player, although we really think he'll be a part-timer. Honestly, the draft threw us for a loop and we panicked! I hope it works out".

No of course not. Every player gets glowing reviews from their GM and the best thing to do is to read none of them because it's all horsecrap until the actual games start.

Oh and exhibition games mean nothing, as well.

See you in September.

 

[Portis 26]

I think in dynasty terms he has some nice value, given LT2's advancing years.

 

[Gravity]

As an LT dynasty owner I can say I am not happy.

I don't buy at all that he is the long-term replacement once LT is done. Instead, we now have to burn a rookie pick on him as short-term insurance and likely hold onto Sproles as well.

Not a good situation for LT owners.

 

[Banger]

I can't believe some people are raising the value of a player because the GM says he really likes him!I'd like to see the day where a GM says "you know, we decided to pick the player, although we really think he'll be a part-timer. Honestly, the draft threw us for a loop and we panicked! I hope it works out". No of course not. Every player gets glowing reviews from their GM and the best thing to do is to read none of them because it's all horsecrap until the actual games start.Oh and exhibition games mean nothing, as well.See you in September.

To me there is a big difference between taking the best available player on the board when it's your turn to pick and going out and trying to make a deal (with the Pats no less) to land one specific player. I also listen a little more when the best draft pickers over the past 4-5 years targets a specific player.

 

[TheFanatic]

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him.

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Can someone fill me in on what compensation they got for Turner?

 

[TheFanatic]

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him.

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Yeah, he keeps being factually incorrect. I wasn't going to bother posting, so thanks for pointing it out. His last post was filled with more garbage (in addition to calling me 'homer' all the time for some reason -- I've never been a SD fan). He keeps going back to old Rams teams for some reason as though that is support for something, not understanding that a team name isn't relevant if it's a completely different coaching and front office group. He still thinks Turner might not have been worth a freaking 5th rounder, etc. I could go on, but it's pointless. Nothing I said got through. And now his argument has gone from whether Hester was targeted as LT's primary backup to whether he'll bust. I give up.

My point was that you degraded the decision making of the Rams and Bears front offices. You look at them like they are some sort of joke and should not be even considered as relevant. They are professionals that get paid to evaluate talent. You and I are on a web board. As for Turner's value as a 5th rounder, please tell me what he has done? If Turner goes out and fall flat on his face in Atlanta is he worth the 5th rounder? All the 5th rounder has done is carry the ball 228 times over 4 seasons. I guess that's about what you would expect from a 5th rounder. Was he a great pick? Time will tell. I think he will turn out to be but to make those assumptions now is just plain naive.

I'm not changing the argument as to whether he was targeted to be the primary backup to whether he will be a bust or not. So what if he was targeted to be the primary backup? That means squat in September. Brandon Jackson was targeted to be the starter in GB. Brandon Jacobs was targeted to be a FB. All of this can change when the hitting starts. The point about the bust is that if he just can't hack it in the NFL then do you think they will have him be the primary backup because they moved up to get him and gave up so much? No. And if you think the guy is a 100% stone cold lock on the primary backup role then I really have to doubt your football knowledge. Rookies never get handed a job out of the gate. They have to earn it.

Oh, and the insults started from CP. The, "I love guys that don't listen to what GM's have to say," was a subtle shot, but then the, "are you just pulling arguments out of your ###," was a little more blatant. Both of those came before I took a shot. So please don't stand there holier than thou and say act like you didn't deserve to be on the receiving end of a couple of shots yourself.

And how can you not be a homer. They way you ride AJ and Turner's jocks I would swear you were George Jefferson switching man love from William Green to the Chargers or JCSJWLDOT switching from Pinner to the Chargers. Are you the anti-LHucks?

BTW, just one question. You and I are both in HAL1. Both in the Active Conference. So that's the only place where our football knowledge (as it relates to fantasy football) is tested head to head. What was your record the last 2 years?

 

[TheFanatic]

I can't believe some people are raising the value of a player because the GM says he really likes him!I'd like to see the day where a GM says "you know, we decided to pick the player, although we really think he'll be a part-timer. Honestly, the draft threw us for a loop and we panicked! I hope it works out". No of course not. Every player gets glowing reviews from their GM and the best thing to do is to read none of them because it's all horsecrap until the actual games start.Oh and exhibition games mean nothing, as well.See you in September.

One thing I will disagree with. Yeah, for the most part exhibition games are meaningless. But one thing they are a great help is determining the depth chart, particularly at RB and QB. There is no doubt that LT is the starter in SD, but the backup will be tested a great deal in those exhibition games. Particularly a rookie that CP has already handed the job too because AJ Smith said he was targeting the guy from back in November. Because, like CP said, why would he lie?

 

[Air Coryell]

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him.

X

Can someone fill me in on what compensation they got for Turner?

I believe they will get a compensatory pick in the 2009 draft

 

[TheFanatic]

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him.

X

Can someone fill me in on what compensation they got for Turner?

I believe they will get a compensatory pick in the 2009 draft

Anyone who loses a FA gets a comp pick in a subsequent draft. That's nothing. The fact of the matter is the guy walked as an UFA.

 

[identikit]

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him.

X

Can someone fill me in on what compensation they got for Turner?

I believe they will get a compensatory pick in the 2009 draft

Anyone who loses a FA gets a comp pick in a subsequent draft. That's nothing.. The fact of the matter is the guy walked as an UFA.

X, again

 

[TheFanatic]

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him.

X

Can someone fill me in on what compensation they got for Turner?

I believe they will get a compensatory pick in the 2009 draft

Anyone who loses a FA gets a comp pick in a subsequent draft. That's nothing.. The fact of the matter is the guy walked as an UFA.

X, again

Hmmmm

FLOWERY BRANCH, Ga. – The Atlanta Falcons today agreed to terms with four-year veteran running back Michael Turner as an unrestricted free agent from the San Diego Chargers.

Link to Falcons Web PageI should've tempered that with a significant FA signing, but that seems a bit much. I mean the Rams got a Comp pick for losing Kevin Curtis to FA. That pick is this year's Mr. Irrelevant. The comp for Turner will not be anything special....

 

[Banger]

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him.

X

Can someone fill me in on what compensation they got for Turner?

I believe they will get a compensatory pick in the 2009 draft

Anyone who loses a FA gets a comp pick in a subsequent draft. That's nothing.. The fact of the matter is the guy walked as an UFA.

X, again

Hmmmm

FLOWERY BRANCH, Ga. – The Atlanta Falcons today agreed to terms with four-year veteran running back Michael Turner as an unrestricted free agent from the San Diego Chargers.

Link to Falcons Web PageI should've tempered that with a significant FA signing, but that seems a bit much. I mean the Rams got a Comp pick for losing Kevin Curtis to FA. That pick is this year's Mr. Irrelevant. The comp for Turner will not be anything special....

so does that mean he wasn't a good draft pick?

 

[FUBAR]

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him.

X

Can someone fill me in on what compensation they got for Turner?

I believe they will get a compensatory pick in the 2009 draft

Anyone who loses a FA gets a comp pick in a subsequent draft. That's nothing.. The fact of the matter is the guy walked as an UFA.

X, again

Hmmmm

FLOWERY BRANCH, Ga. – The Atlanta Falcons today agreed to terms with four-year veteran running back Michael Turner as an unrestricted free agent from the San Diego Chargers.

Link to Falcons Web PageI should've tempered that with a significant FA signing, but that seems a bit much. I mean the Rams got a Comp pick for losing Kevin Curtis to FA. That pick is this year's Mr. Irrelevant. The comp for Turner will not be anything special....

I would guess the pick will be a 3rd. Maybe that will pan out, maybe the player will be worthless.

 

[TheFanatic]

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him.

X

Can someone fill me in on what compensation they got for Turner?

I believe they will get a compensatory pick in the 2009 draft

Anyone who loses a FA gets a comp pick in a subsequent draft. That's nothing.. The fact of the matter is the guy walked as an UFA.

X, again

Hmmmm

FLOWERY BRANCH, Ga. – The Atlanta Falcons today agreed to terms with four-year veteran running back Michael Turner as an unrestricted free agent from the San Diego Chargers.

Link to Falcons Web PageI should've tempered that with a significant FA signing, but that seems a bit much. I mean the Rams got a Comp pick for losing Kevin Curtis to FA. That pick is this year's Mr. Irrelevant. The comp for Turner will not be anything special....

I would guess the pick will be a 3rd. Maybe that will pan out, maybe the player will be worthless.

It might be a 3rd in which it will be after the 3rd round and before the 4th. But it still doesn't mean that they received anything for him. First they won't get it till next year. Second Turner has to perform well to make it a 3rd rounder (could be a 5th, 6th, 7th) and then they have to draft a guy that pans out. So, again, what did they get for Turner and the 5th they spent on him? 228 carries and a couple of TD's. Wow, call me impressed.

But then of course everyone assumes that Turner is going to the pro-bowl in his first year as a starter. Last I checked Turner didn't get to bring the SD line or QB to Atlanta. Rivers may not be the best QB yet, but he's better than what they have.

 

[FUBAR]

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him.

X

Can someone fill me in on what compensation they got for Turner?

I believe they will get a compensatory pick in the 2009 draft

Anyone who loses a FA gets a comp pick in a subsequent draft. That's nothing.. The fact of the matter is the guy walked as an UFA.

X, again

Hmmmm

FLOWERY BRANCH, Ga. – The Atlanta Falcons today agreed to terms with four-year veteran running back Michael Turner as an unrestricted free agent from the San Diego Chargers.

Link to Falcons Web PageI should've tempered that with a significant FA signing, but that seems a bit much. I mean the Rams got a Comp pick for losing Kevin Curtis to FA. That pick is this year's Mr. Irrelevant. The comp for Turner will not be anything special....

I would guess the pick will be a 3rd. Maybe that will pan out, maybe the player will be worthless.

It might be a 3rd in which it will be after the 3rd round and before the 4th. But it still doesn't mean that they received anything for him. First they won't get it till next year. Second Turner has to perform well to make it a 3rd rounder (could be a 5th, 6th, 7th) and then they have to draft a guy that pans out. So, again, what did they get for Turner and the 5th they spent on him? 228 carries and a couple of TD's. Wow, call me impressed.

But then of course everyone assumes that Turner is going to the pro-bowl in his first year as a starter. Last I checked Turner didn't get to bring the SD line or QB to Atlanta. Rivers may not be the best QB yet, but he's better than what they have.

salary is the most significant factor in determining the pick granted.

 

[Banger]

Exactly I don't know if it was a good pick. What did Turner net the Chargers? A couple of nice games in relief. The guy never started more than a couple games. Never did anything more than spell LT. No one knows if he can shoulder the load of 16 games. And the Chargers lost him to FA so they didn't even get any compensation for him.

X

Can someone fill me in on what compensation they got for Turner?

I believe they will get a compensatory pick in the 2009 draft

Anyone who loses a FA gets a comp pick in a subsequent draft. That's nothing.. The fact of the matter is the guy walked as an UFA.

X, again

Hmmmm

FLOWERY BRANCH, Ga. – The Atlanta Falcons today agreed to terms with four-year veteran running back Michael Turner as an unrestricted free agent from the San Diego Chargers.

Link to Falcons Web PageI should've tempered that with a significant FA signing, but that seems a bit much. I mean the Rams got a Comp pick for losing Kevin Curtis to FA. That pick is this year's Mr. Irrelevant. The comp for Turner will not be anything special....

I would guess the pick will be a 3rd. Maybe that will pan out, maybe the player will be worthless.

It might be a 3rd in which it will be after the 3rd round and before the 4th. But it still doesn't mean that they received anything for him. First they won't get it till next year. Second Turner has to perform well to make it a 3rd rounder (could be a 5th, 6th, 7th) and then they have to draft a guy that pans out. So, again, what did they get for Turner and the 5th they spent on him? 228 carries and a couple of TD's. Wow, call me impressed.

But then of course everyone assumes that Turner is going to the pro-bowl in his first year as a starter. Last I checked Turner didn't get to bring the SD line or QB to Atlanta. Rivers may not be the best QB yet, but he's better than what they have.

They got the best insurance policy in the game at the RB position who contributed above and beyond when called upon and even single handedly won a huge game for the team. I don't realistically see how you can't say a 5th round draft pick that was taken as the #1 FA rb and was considered the best backup to the best the RB in the league not a good pick. Most 5th round picks don't make the team let alone end up being top FA acquisitions. This isn't about Turner anyway, it's more about AJ Smith and his ability spot talent and pick good players. Cromartie, McNeill, Diehlman, Gates, Turner, etc. The guy has stocked a team full of All-pro's and is deep throughout the roster. I'd put more faith in a guy that AJ likes and targets than I would for any other GM in the league. He knows how to spot talent better than most.