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Jamal Khashoggi - Journalist Killed in Saudi Consulate (2 Viewers)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
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His partner in planning to overthrow the Saudi regime made public his messages detailing their plan. Our government didn’t kill him... planning treason is a dangerous game.
sho nuff
Footballguy
So...yes, you are justifying this...and how our government has reacted.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-10/u-s-knew-of-saudi-plan-to-seize-missing-journalist-post-says
That's pretty awful.
Also...try linking to this so-called plan to overthrow...before just spouting it off as fact.
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Read the article then if you can’t understand why he was killed I can’t help you connect the dots nor anyone else..
sho nuff
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Post a link rather than continuing to say this without any sort of backup to your point.
I can’t link article but it’s a cnn article from Michael Kaplan and Nina dos santos. They were planning to send foreign six cards to dissents in Saudi Arabia to organize an over throw.
the moops
Footballguy
not sure why you can't link. it is quite simple.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/02/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-whatsapp-messages-intl/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/02/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-whatsapp-messages-intl/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
sho nuff
Footballguy
Its odd how some of you can't seem to link articles to support your posts.
If this is what you are referring to...it paints a different picture than your claims thus far. Plans for advocacy and public relations "internet army" vs actual overthrowing and treason.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/02/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-whatsapp-messages-intl/index.html
Being critical of democratic leadship vs a monarchy that beheads people on regular basis then walk into one of their consulate is stupidity
sho nuff
Footballguy
What do you think those posts were? They talked specifically about energizing youth, and correcting the false information from the government.
You claimed they were trying to overthrow the government and guilty of treason....please quote in that article anything that comes close to that vs what I have stated.
You are the one who has shown no sense of being real here...you wouldn't post a link to support your claim...the link you even brought up does not support your claim.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I just want to be perfectly clear. You believe that the use of social media to move people to action is tantamount to an overthrow of the government?
Just before Mueller’s report comes out, I want to make sure we’re on the same page.
Working to mobilize an army of young people that is against the current regime/monarchy is tantamount to treason.
Its a certainly a step in that direction. Not sure why timing of Mueller report matters..
timschochet
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
An “army” to fight disinformation via the internet is not treason. You have made a false assertion based on the facts in an attempt to justify the murder of a legal American resident and journalist.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Because any support by Trump of those who posted misinformation to fight Obama would be treason by your own definition.
You're looking thru the lens from a US democratic perspective. Take a step back, review the situation and now look from Saudi perspective...What do you see?
Apple Jack
Footballguy
"Jailed...murdered...same diff. Dude had it coming."
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
I see you trying to justify the murder of a legal American resident and journalist and now backtracking from trying to overthrow and treason to ...well that’s how SA sees it.
Pretty bad but hardly unexpected.
I'm not trying to justify it but that article helps us understand why the situation happen.
Absolutely and it happens every day around the world where countries/regimes etc order hits against people that oppose them
timschochet
Footballguy
I think I understand stlrams a little better now. He is not trying to justify the murder. He is pointing out that Saudi Arabia is a despotic regime that murders its opponents, and anyone who speaks out against such a regime shouldn’t be stupid enough to enter a Saudi Arabian embassy.
And that’s a legitimate point, I suppose. But I don’t believe it has any bearing on what the reaction of the USA to this murder should be.
And that’s a legitimate point, I suppose. But I don’t believe it has any bearing on what the reaction of the USA to this murder should be.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
You say you are not trying to justify it...but then claim the article helps you understand why. That is basically justifying it...and the article also did not state what you claimed it did about treason or trying to overthrow anything. So you are posting falsehoods that you have nothing that can back you up and refused to actually link to the article and had to have others do that for you.
Odd because those of us who would call that what it really is...would be banned while you will still post things that are pretty disgusting.
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We've been doing business with SA for decades and they've been taking off heads the entire time.
I've never been banned or warned in 15 years of posting so my record speaks for itself. Its a forum and people post their opinions. As far as SA is concerned the actions ascend to treason
sho nuff
Footballguy
Given your posting...there is no way this is true...and doubtful this is the only ID you have ever used.
Then you should have stated the second bolded as your claim rather than what you did. That is a complete backtrack after you were called out and the article you refused to link to showed otherwise.
So, maybe its time to stop.
Particularly when they flaunt it in a foreign country and to a US resident.
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I don't see it happening any time soon. SA provides stability to a region that is very volatile.
Why would I lie? Only ID ever, you can ask Joe if you like. You can call it the way you see.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Well, you were less than truthful about what the article claimed...so why would you lie?
I called it the way it is...you claimed something, the article stated differently.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Historically speaking yes, SA and Israel have stabilized the region and kept the oil flowing.
moleculo
Footballguy
I think this is a legitimate point. We know Saudi is a scorpion, and are shocked when they sting.
Perhaps we should stop carrying scorpions around.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Your first two posts are very different from your third and fourth. The third and fourth are perfectly reasonable and based on a real-world view of Saudi Arabia as a despotic regime. The first two suggest that what Khashoggi did was a crime in any country, which is false with respect to what happened in this case.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
timschochet
Footballguy
I’m a supporter of Israel, but they don’t have anything to do with “keeping the oil flowing.”
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