socrates
Footballguy
Sounds like you have realistic expectations for Rodgers. As a flex option, though, I see better values. I am not convinced Rodgers will see significant playing time.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'm cooling on Quiz. Which probably means you should buy.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
He looked okay running the rock...but not a stud. He also got stoned and didn't show a ton of power. Good and bad showing IMO.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
committee.
But Quizz is gonna get alot more touches than last year.
But Quizz is gonna get alot more touches than last year.
Banger
Footballguy
his ADP compared to Turner...gimme the quizz. Not loving Turner much at all this year....the tires may come off quick.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
You guys are jumping on his 3.7 ypc in the first preseason game?
ens189
Footballguy
I kind of see him as a more physical version of Jamaal Charles. I think with that passing game pulling attention away from the run (and predicting Turner hitting the wall big time) he could have a real special season especially later in the year right when your playoff push is on.
Banger
Footballguy
ypc has nothing to do with it but it was similar to Turners 3.4. They were talking about using him more and that they are giving him some touches and they followed that up and I thought he looked quick and shifty, high powered offense with those wideouts, they want to cut back on Turner's touches, Quizz is a 2nd year player so we don't know who he is yet, Turner's wheels could come off quick (injuries), he's a better receiver out of the backfield. There's a lot of reasons to like him. One guy is 18th ranked and the other is 46th ranked. I'm not saying he's going to be better than Turner but he's a lottery ticket...zero risk and high potential reward..he's the guy you take as your 5th RB give him a few weeks and if he's not getting the touches or someone else is better on the wire you drop him.You guys are jumping on his 3.7 ypc in the first preseason game?
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Not sure what you guys are excited about.
NeonDeion21
Footballguy
For me it's easy. He has value as a bench RB in a PPR/Return Yardage league and with ATL switching to more of a passing attack, Rodgers should get more looks. I am just hoping he turns out to be a flex play in my 18 team league.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
I dunno, I liked what I saw on the cut-ins on NFL network. Will watch the replay in full to take a better look at his rushes and make sure it's not total fool's gold vs. weak backup competition. But, ADP wise, I'm all over Rogers. Everything already said is 100% true just from seeing what I saw of the passing game tonight, Turner looks to be getting phased out.
And, I'm getting really excited about having kept Matty Ice in a few leagues. But, related to this thread, would love if we see in some upcoming games him tossing a few to Rogers, then I'm all over him in my PPR leagues, will definitely take that gamble and possibly reach a little. Just hope he doesn't shoot up draft boards based on what he shows this pre-season.
And, I'm getting really excited about having kept Matty Ice in a few leagues. But, related to this thread, would love if we see in some upcoming games him tossing a few to Rogers, then I'm all over him in my PPR leagues, will definitely take that gamble and possibly reach a little. Just hope he doesn't shoot up draft boards based on what he shows this pre-season.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
turner looked like he has lost a burner... there was a play or two where turner motioned out wide which really doesn't suit him. the falcons are just flying down the field throwing the ball and i think quizz is better suited for this offense. it seems quizz will surely get the 3rd down work, but i could see him eating into early down work as well as the season goes on.
Banger
Footballguy
Turners carries over the past 4 years has gone from 377, injured, 334 and 301 carries and the team is publicly stating that they want to reduce him more. Things change really quick, especially with a runner like Turner (bruiser) and you don't want to be left holding the bag when it does. Quizz is super cheap and could certainly end up playing a Sproles type role in this offense. With those wideouts and Gonzo in the middle there will be a lot of space for the little guy to roam. The team is basically telling us what they are going to do, now they are showing it..you just have to listen.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I want to like Quizz; I own him in two dynasty leagues. I'm having a hard time getting past how ordinary he looked last year, though. I saw none of the electric quickness that makes a guy like Sproles special. Rodgers looks more like an undersized power RB to me. Amos Zeroue is actually what I thought watching him last year -- great college player who lacks the size/speed/quickness to succeed in the NFL. All that is based on a small sample size, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited here.
I think much of the excitement about Jacquizz is based entirely on Turner's age and perceived imminent decline as opposed to anything specific about Jacquizz himself.
I think much of the excitement about Jacquizz is based entirely on Turner's age and perceived imminent decline as opposed to anything specific about Jacquizz himself.
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Insoxicated
Wow.
chickensoup
Footballguy
a very sizable portion of success in the NFL (and in fantasy football) is tied to opportunity. Talent can overcome opportunity or situation sometimes, but look at someone like Jonathan Stewart. the guy has feature back written all over him, yet he has not had the opportunity to be one.I'll take the guy who the team is saying is going to get a timeshare (who knows how much) plus third down work every week over the lottery ticket most of the time. He has the easiest road to fantasy relevance for a RB4 or RB5 that i can possibly think of. taking fliers on guys who "have more talent" but are buried in depth charts behind a feature guy and require an injury to even be on the field most of the time are not as valuable in my eyes, you are banking on injury when a guy who is going to get touches every week is staring you in the face.I made this point about Blount in another thread but it works here too. for his ADP (RB 47 124 overall) you are looking at: Pierre Thomas (Mark Ingram backup, though i do love him every year), Daniel Thomas, Felix Jones, Tim Hightower, Mendenhall, Vereen.Who do you like more in this range? a guy who is getting touches weekly or one of those guys? maybe you like none and would take a WR in that range, but for the RB45-50 area i can think of only one guy i would maybe take over Rodgers (Pierre Thomas) and even then i probably wouldnt
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Redraft wise I agree that he's not a bad guy to have at his current price. I was talking more about his dynasty value. Dynasty-wise, the opportunity he has in 2012 won't matter much if he doesn't do significantly more with his touches than he did last year.
Banger
Footballguy
he was a rookie though with a short camp so I wouldn't write him off or really draw any conclusions. This is certainly an important year but from the buzz it seems to be pretty positive and the situation is among the best in the league.
chickensoup
Footballguy
it is kind of a prove it year, but again, you can get him on the cheap in dynasty startups because of all the rookie hype floating around. My guess 12ish round you can get him. so the value is there even in dynasty. if he doesnt perform....well he's just like any other 12th round dynasty pickup you have, except as of now he is the only guy in atlanta on third down. If you really dont like him and you have him, trade him, he should be able to give you decent depth for later with the hype going around right now.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Didn't they have both WR's and Gonzo last year...then why did Quizz suck last year? 3.6 YPC, 21 receptions 9 YPC. Turner just INCREASED his YPC last year.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
He went at mid 8th (not to me obviously) in a 12 team startup I did a few months back, yet the best offer I can scare up in either league I own him has been a lousy 2013 rookie 3rd. Plan for now is obviously hold and hope for the best.
Banger
Footballguy
he was a rookie, didn't have training camp, Julio Jones will bring this offense to another level and they've expressed a desire to reduce Turner's touches and increase his. Who knows if he'll be successful given the opportunity but to dismiss him because he averaged 3.6 ypc as a rookie is short sighted IMO.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I personally don't put much if any weight in his YPC over such a tiny sample size. It's the eyeball test that has me worried.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
between not seeing something in quizz and yet seeing something in blount you may want to have your eyes checked.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
When did I dismiss him?I'm simply not putting him into the HOF like some until he can show some consistent, good performances.The problem here is people are dismissing Turner despite his 4.5 YPC last season. I understand that many people are in love with youth and the shiny new toys in FF...but you're not going to win a lot of championships if you ignore consistent production.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Blount has had more rushing yards than any other RB in his class(Ryan Mathews/Jahvid Best/CJ Spiller) yet he's avoided like the plague.between not seeing something in quizz and yet seeing something in blount you may want to have your eyes checked.
Banger
Footballguy
well maybe you didn't specifically say I dismiss him but when you throw out a line of "why did he suck last year?" it doesn't paint him in a positive light. Cmon, with the HOF stuff...can't there be a discussion without massive exagerations? In my posts I've advocated taking him as your #5 RB. Guys have their roles increased, torches are passed and guys take over for starters every year and there are things in this situation that look positive for Quizz (and no I'm not predicting him to take over for Turner). At the end of the day it will come down to what he does on the field but it's certainly worth watching due to the risk / reward if you can snag a Sproles type flex player for nothing. If you draft him and he sucks you drop him for the high flying week 2-3 WW pickup.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
That often ends up being the best route with a player anyway.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
The only difference between last year and this year is Rodgers getting reps/learning. Jahvid Best averaged 3.3 YPC his rookie year and 3.7 his second year(taking out an 80 yard run vs Chicago)...some guys never get "it"I'm not quoting YOU, but others that "the torch is passed" "breakout season" etc...that means he will be a big time FF factor in some peoples eyes. You can't draft him in dynasty as a RB5...maybe in redraft.You keep throwing Sproles out there...not many smaller RB's have the season he just produced...heck even Sproles has done that once in his career and he has a lot more athletic ability than Rodgers.
Banger
Footballguy
not many RBs have been used in that kind of role but the game changes and teams copy cat success. Sproles definitely has more quickness and will catch more balls than Quizz but I think he may end up getting more rushing touches than Sproles.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
blount was also put in a situation to succeed early, was given the opportunity to be "the guy", and failed to establish himself. i think there's good reason to avoid him. quizz on the other hand can play all 3 downs, catch the football, pass protect, and is likely about to get an opportunity like blount had but failed to capitalize on. i'll take quizz over blount in the later rounds any day - redraft or dynasty.ETA: let's not derail this though, i was just poking fun... we can discuss blount in his own thread.Blount has had more rushing yards than any other RB in his class(Ryan Mathews/Jahvid Best/CJ Spiller) yet he's avoided like the plague.between not seeing something in quizz and yet seeing something in blount you may want to have your eyes checked.
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LawFitz
Footballguy
Rodgers -Height: 5057Weight: 19640 Yrd Dash: 4.5920 Yrd Dash: 2.5810 Yrd Dash: 1.58 225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: 33Broad Jump: 09'05"20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.263-Cone Drill: 7.31Charles -Height: 5110Weight: 20040 Yrd Dash: 4.3820 Yrd Dash: 2.5310 Yrd Dash: 1.46 225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: 30 1/2Broad Jump: 10'02"20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.223-Cone Drill: 6.80The other guy who compared Rodgers to Amos Zereoue seems much more spot on...Zereoue -Height: 5073Weight: 20340 Yrd Dash: 4.5320 Yrd Dash: 2.6010 Yrd Dash: 1.57 225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.093-Cone Drill:benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Do we know that Rodgers can play all three downs? That has yet TBD, it didn't look like he had the power to move guys yesterday and I haven't seen much to change that. He isn't as strong as MJD, not as fast as him either. He isn't as quick as Sproles.I think Rodgers is a Lorenzo Booker, Garrett Wolfe, Dexter McCluster, Dion Lewis, Justin Forsett, Joe McKnight, Leon Washington. Aka a guy that has some, but not all the skills to be relevant in FF.ETA: Blount has averaged 5.0/4.2 YPC in two years...Rodgers had 3.6.blount was also put in a situation to succeed early, was given the opportunity to be "the guy", and failed to establish himself. i think there's good reason to avoid him. quizz on the other hand can play all 3 downs, catch the football, pass protect, and is likely about to get an opportunity like blount had but failed to capitalize on. i'll take quizz over blount in the later rounds any day - redraft or dynasty.ETA: let's not derail this though, i was just poking fun... we can discuss blount in his own thread.Blount has had more rushing yards than any other RB in his class(Ryan Mathews/Jahvid Best/CJ Spiller) yet he's avoided like the plague.between not seeing something in quizz and yet seeing something in blount you may want to have your eyes checked.
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SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Yeah. Delusional. Quizz wouldn't start even if Turner was 40. Gonna be a great deal of disappointment when ATL drafts a RB high next year.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
if this isn't moving guys, i'm not sure what is.Do we know that Rodgers can play all three downs? That has yet TBD, it didn't look like he had the power to move guys yesterday and I haven't seen much to change that. He isn't as strong as MJD, not as fast as him either. He isn't as quick as Sproles.I think Rodgers is a Lorenzo Booker, Garrett Wolfe, Dexter McCluster, Dion Lewis, Justin Forsett, Joe McKnight, Leon Washington. Aka a guy that has some, but not all the skills to be relevant in FF.blount was also put in a situation to succeed early, was given the opportunity to be "the guy", and failed to establish himself. i think there's good reason to avoid him. quizz on the other hand can play all 3 downs, catch the football, pass protect, and is likely about to get an opportunity like blount had but failed to capitalize on. i'll take quizz over blount in the later rounds any day - redraft or dynasty.ETA: let's not derail this though, i was just poking fun... we can discuss blount in his own thread.Blount has had more rushing yards than any other RB in his class(Ryan Mathews/Jahvid Best/CJ Spiller) yet he's avoided like the plague.between not seeing something in quizz and yet seeing something in blount you may want to have your eyes checked.
ETA: Blount has averaged 5.0/4.2 YPC in two years...Rodgers had 3.6.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Rewatch it from the second angle(I watched it about 8 times)...he runs through an arm tackle of a DT that just slipped off a block and submarined into the endzone under a LB getting block and a DB late coming to the party.Did you miss the other 3 runs of him getting stuffed at the LOSif this isn't moving guys, i'm not sure what is.Do we know that Rodgers can play all three downs? That has yet TBD, it didn't look like he had the power to move guys yesterday and I haven't seen much to change that. He isn't as strong as MJD, not as fast as him either. He isn't as quick as Sproles.I think Rodgers is a Lorenzo Booker, Garrett Wolfe, Dexter McCluster, Dion Lewis, Justin Forsett, Joe McKnight, Leon Washington. Aka a guy that has some, but not all the skills to be relevant in FF.blount was also put in a situation to succeed early, was given the opportunity to be "the guy", and failed to establish himself. i think there's good reason to avoid him. quizz on the other hand can play all 3 downs, catch the football, pass protect, and is likely about to get an opportunity like blount had but failed to capitalize on. i'll take quizz over blount in the later rounds any day - redraft or dynasty.ETA: let's not derail this though, i was just poking fun... we can discuss blount in his own thread.Blount has had more rushing yards than any other RB in his class(Ryan Mathews/Jahvid Best/CJ Spiller) yet he's avoided like the plague.between not seeing something in quizz and yet seeing something in blount you may want to have your eyes checked.
ETA: Blount has averaged 5.0/4.2 YPC in two years...Rodgers had 3.6.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
like you, i only see what i want to see... clearly. 
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Did I not describe it correctly?like you, i only see what i want to see... clearly.
He is going to get playing time. I think you can expect him to average 12 - 15 touches a game. What he does with them is still up for debate.
Not if he ends up as a Sproles type, I don't have the man love for Matt Ryan that most of the forum has, but it seems like Atlanta is really going to go from power run to more of passing attack. There is no reason Quizz can't be a poor mans Sproles and be a nice flex play or bye week filler, and considering he was going in the 13th round or so until recently that is major value.
Blount has had more rushing yards than any other RB in his class(Ryan Mathews/Jahvid Best/CJ Spiller) yet he's avoided like the plague.between not seeing something in quizz and yet seeing something in blount you may want to have your eyes checked.
This drives me nuts too, I could understand if the Bucs just drafted Richardson or someone other freakishly talented running back out of college, but they drafted Martin, who is talented, but there is a reason he went at the end of the first round and not in the top 10.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
240 touches for Rodgers?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
No similarities to Jerious Norwood? Remember folks taking him in the 2nd round? I would like a resume with at least 100 touches in 1 NFL season before I think this guy is going to just push Turner to the side.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Actually pretty good. I still see him being the 3rd down back and maybe every 3rd drive he starts.
Atlanta was really pass happy in the 1st half tonight (~7 runs / 21 passes). Quizz didn't see the ball all that much. He looked fine though (4-24 rush, 3-11 rec).
Turner looked bad but didn't get many rush opportunities either (3-(-3) rush). Interestingly, Turner got more targets than I think I've ever seen him get (3-14 rec, 4 targets), including one of those screen passes they've been talking about all summer.
Most of Rodgers PT was after Turner had sat down. He did come in for Turner on at least one 3rd down early, Ryan really should have thrown it away but bailed out to Quizz, who was immediately dumped for a 7 yard loss.
The 22yd catch+run at the end of the half was nice. He almost kept his feet and kept on going.
He also did all the KO returns in the 1st half, while his brother James did them in the 2nd. If the kick return work continues, it doesn't bode all that well for this increase in PT they've been talking about, IMO. They are trying to replace Eric Weems there, but I don't know if Quizz will be that guy or not.
Turner looked bad but didn't get many rush opportunities either (3-(-3) rush). Interestingly, Turner got more targets than I think I've ever seen him get (3-14 rec, 4 targets), including one of those screen passes they've been talking about all summer.
Most of Rodgers PT was after Turner had sat down. He did come in for Turner on at least one 3rd down early, Ryan really should have thrown it away but bailed out to Quizz, who was immediately dumped for a 7 yard loss.
The 22yd catch+run at the end of the half was nice. He almost kept his feet and kept on going.
He also did all the KO returns in the 1st half, while his brother James did them in the 2nd. If the kick return work continues, it doesn't bode all that well for this increase in PT they've been talking about, IMO. They are trying to replace Eric Weems there, but I don't know if Quizz will be that guy or not.
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Banger
Footballguy
Completely different players MOP. Only similarities I see are they were both backup rbs for the falcons. I don't see him pushing Turner aside but if he continues to show the quickness he could cut into his carries (especially if he loses a step or slows like he did last year down the stretch), he's going to get the 3rd down work and 2 minute drills. He'll certainly be better in ppr leagues but at his cost it makes sense to add him and see what happens.
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