lolNo one can prove that Quizz will be good this year just like you can't prove he'll be bad.
It's hilarious that you think otherwise. We're all just dudes on the internet
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It's hilarious that you think otherwise. We're all just dudes on the internet
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Well, the guys who aren't just dudes on the Internet, you know, the NFL scouting departments that let him slide to round five, and his coaching staff, who gave the other dude six times the carries just last year, seem to agree with me.Let's take opinion away totally. How many 5th round RBs have come in, averaged 3.6 YPC, and then pushed aside an established 30 year old Pro Bowl RB who finished 3rd in the NFL in rushing the year before?
dagwood
Footballguy
How many 30 year old runningbacks who have been severely overused have inexplicably "hit a wall"? Quite a few actually.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
I always appreciate a poster who watches a teams every game every year as having more perspective than another- they see the little things on the field and in the front office. That was the main focus of this message board years ago - to share what we see from the teams we watch closely. Some of us have sports and football journalism backgrounds with trained eyes...
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plasticman
Footballguy
Michael Turner has always had the label of a run-only back ever since his days with the Chargers, but since he’s joined the Falcons his receptions have steadily risen since 2008.
Starting with six catches out of the backfield his first year with the Falcons, Turner ended 2011 with 17 catches, though he’s never had a receiving touchdown. So far in this preseason the Falcons have worked on a variety of things in games, but the running game hasn’t been one of those aspects of the offense that has seen a lot of time during live action.
This preseason Turner has rushed eight times for 14 yards, but in the preseason’s second game, he caught three passes for 14 yards. Head coach Mike Smith said after the game that the team wanted to work on the passing game against the Bengals.
Turner says catching passes in the screen game for running backs is something they’ve been working on in practice and throughout camp. So far this season running backs and fullbacks have caught 12 passes. Turner is getting familiar with an increased pass-catching role this preseason under new coordinator Dirk Koetter.
“I’m comfortable with it,” Turner said. “I’ve caught more passes than I have before last year. I’m just trying to get in the groove of things and getting accustomed to this offense.”
Smith feels good about Turner’s pass-catching ability even though he knows it was a “knock” against the running back before he came to Atlanta.
Despite the speculation that has swirled around Atlanta’s offense becoming more open and pass-friendly this season, Smith said Turner and his running will remain a big part of what they’re trying to accomplish on offense. More importantly, Smith said despite what direction the offense goes in one game to the next, Turner is still the featured running back for the Falcons.
“I think Mike is going to be an integral part of our offense,” Smith said. “We have done some work in some different areas in the first two preseason games. Again, you’re not game planning, you’re trying to work on certain things. Michael is our No. 1 back and he’s going to get his touches just like the other guys. It’s going to be based on how people try to defend us.”
http://www.atlantafa...ceiving-threat/
Starting with six catches out of the backfield his first year with the Falcons, Turner ended 2011 with 17 catches, though he’s never had a receiving touchdown. So far in this preseason the Falcons have worked on a variety of things in games, but the running game hasn’t been one of those aspects of the offense that has seen a lot of time during live action.
This preseason Turner has rushed eight times for 14 yards, but in the preseason’s second game, he caught three passes for 14 yards. Head coach Mike Smith said after the game that the team wanted to work on the passing game against the Bengals.
Turner says catching passes in the screen game for running backs is something they’ve been working on in practice and throughout camp. So far this season running backs and fullbacks have caught 12 passes. Turner is getting familiar with an increased pass-catching role this preseason under new coordinator Dirk Koetter.
“I’m comfortable with it,” Turner said. “I’ve caught more passes than I have before last year. I’m just trying to get in the groove of things and getting accustomed to this offense.”
Smith feels good about Turner’s pass-catching ability even though he knows it was a “knock” against the running back before he came to Atlanta.
Despite the speculation that has swirled around Atlanta’s offense becoming more open and pass-friendly this season, Smith said Turner and his running will remain a big part of what they’re trying to accomplish on offense. More importantly, Smith said despite what direction the offense goes in one game to the next, Turner is still the featured running back for the Falcons.
“I think Mike is going to be an integral part of our offense,” Smith said. “We have done some work in some different areas in the first two preseason games. Again, you’re not game planning, you’re trying to work on certain things. Michael is our No. 1 back and he’s going to get his touches just like the other guys. It’s going to be based on how people try to defend us.”
http://www.atlantafa...ceiving-threat/
FavreCo
Footballguy
I've got the balls to sit him on my bench as my # 4 RB in case he becomes something. Good enough?
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
That last sentence is it in a nutshell. With Mularkey as OC the offense was way to predictable. It seems more logical to have more of Rogers and Snelling in the backfield to take away the past ability of defenses to know what was coming. It was painfully true in the post season when teams would have the Falcons book down pat. .
FavreCo
Footballguy
You mean like when they lined up at the 50 yard line on 1st and 10 with their GL package, 1 wideout, a FB and some blocking TEs? Yeah, they really did that last year and tried to run the ball.
solorca
Footballguy
Right there with you. I think he is the perfect guy to have sitting in that spot.
captgus
Footballguy
chiefs2929
Footballguy
Would you rather have Rodgers or ryan williams sitting on your bench?
FavreCo
Footballguy
Tough call for redraft. ATL is explosive, ARI is imploding.
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
IMO it is a contest to see on film/ game action who catches and runs the best screens between the 3 backs. I will watch the Tivo of the Miami game (don't know the stats yet) Sunday morning and see if Turner still looks clumsy in his mechanics.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
He looks like MJD 3-4 years ago
Abspara
Footballguy
Yes, he does. A changing of the guard is coming folks. Get Quizz while you can before he gets much more expensive.
I like Rodgers but I can't see where you're coming from here. Compare Rodgers' rookie season to MJD's -- apples and oranges. For all of his talent, Rodgers averaged 3.6 YPC last season and never had a run longer than 15 yards. Again, I like his chances in this new up-tempo offense but the MJD comparisons seem like a major reach.'Abspara said:
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Anyone saying Rodgers will pass Turner is not watching the games.
In Tampa, Doug Martin takes 1st team reps. In Atlanta Rodgers only got 2-3 touches in the 1st half of game 3 of the preseason. Let's get real here now. Also if you dig up the game thread I was posting in for ATL-MIA I clearly state that Turner shows exactly why he continues to be the RB1 and get all the GL work there...Turner was met at the LOS by a DL and he just pushed him aside, slid off the tackle, gained 4-5 yards. Rodger got a carry on 4th and 1, gets stuffed. I would not bank on Rodgers in 2012.
In Tampa, Doug Martin takes 1st team reps. In Atlanta Rodgers only got 2-3 touches in the 1st half of game 3 of the preseason. Let's get real here now. Also if you dig up the game thread I was posting in for ATL-MIA I clearly state that Turner shows exactly why he continues to be the RB1 and get all the GL work there...Turner was met at the LOS by a DL and he just pushed him aside, slid off the tackle, gained 4-5 yards. Rodger got a carry on 4th and 1, gets stuffed. I would not bank on Rodgers in 2012.
solorca
Footballguy
I'm a Rodgers supporter and have drafted him all over the place (and own him in a number of dynasty leagues), and sadly, I agree with you. I'm not seeing a changing of the guard in Atlanta this year, based on his performance last year and from what I've seen in the preseason. I hope I'm pleasantly surprised though.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Is he still behind Snelling on the depth chart? Looks that way.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This is where I move some posters up around here. The ability to come out and say "I might not be right" on this is powerful. Folks love to go down with the ship, we've all done it. I do think Rodgers stats will be better the 2nd half of the season.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
He's going to be Sproles light
5-6 carries per game
2-4 receptions
KR yards
Yards from scrimmage per game I'd say over 100.
5-6 carries per game
2-4 receptions
KR yards
Yards from scrimmage per game I'd say over 100.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Cool name and lots of fun to watch as a underdog in college. In the NFL he's had his shot to be a 3rd down back and never taken the job. Avg less than 4 ypc with 1 catch a game. He looks too slow and not agile, thats not good given his stature. If Turner goes down I'd expect ATL to go the FA route.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
There was a decent contingent that said Quizz would take over. Not sure why that was the case. They never gave a reason other than Turner was turning 30.....
At $5 mil, they wouldn't have Turner on the roster if he wasn't going to play a big role. He has a limited skill set as a bruiser, but it happens to still bet the best in the league....
Watched this team closely last year owning their entire offense. I saw 2-3 players tops that Quizz made that showed he even belonged on the field. He's not a good tackles runner & he never will be. You can try to convince me until you're blue in the face....not happening.
Quizz CAN be an asset in space as he does have very very good suddenness on the turf. Look no further than the Combine again which will show his stellar change of direction ability). He and Dion Lewis were a cut above the rest there.
Quizz can have a ROLE there. It's just not going to be one where he overtakes Turner as their primary runner.
At $5 mil, they wouldn't have Turner on the roster if he wasn't going to play a big role. He has a limited skill set as a bruiser, but it happens to still bet the best in the league....
Watched this team closely last year owning their entire offense. I saw 2-3 players tops that Quizz made that showed he even belonged on the field. He's not a good tackles runner & he never will be. You can try to convince me until you're blue in the face....not happening.
Quizz CAN be an asset in space as he does have very very good suddenness on the turf. Look no further than the Combine again which will show his stellar change of direction ability). He and Dion Lewis were a cut above the rest there.
Quizz can have a ROLE there. It's just not going to be one where he overtakes Turner as their primary runner.
This year
wudaben
Footballguy
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-blog/2012/08/29/rodgers-not-a-change-of-pace-running-back/
Once again the Falcons have come out and said he is an every down player and not a "change of pace" running back. Barring an injury to Turner I think we'll see a player somewhere between the 2008 & 2009 versions of Amhad Bradshaw.
Once again the Falcons have come out and said he is an every down player and not a "change of pace" running back. Barring an injury to Turner I think we'll see a player somewhere between the 2008 & 2009 versions of Amhad Bradshaw.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
And when they go sign/draft someone else?? ....which is bound to happen if they move on from Turner.This is Rodgers best shot at proving himself for an NFL future. He's not gonna be around long if he has another 2011-like year this year. 3.5 YPC won't cut it as an 'everydown back'
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The Gunslinger
Footballguy
Arian Foster went undrafted. He was then cut in camp his rookie season. When he did get resigned his rookie year he only received 54 carries. Ladainian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 ypc as a rookie. Emmit Smith and Matt Forte also averaged under 4 yards as a rookie.
Quizz missed OTA'S and was slow to pick up his pass protections. Based on explosiveness alone he would have played much more.
30+ year old pro bowlers get replaced all the time. I'll spare you the list.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Mike Smith strikes me as one of those stubborn, conservative guys who'd rather get every last bit of little production out of his aging RB before turning the reigns over to a younger, more explosive RB, which is a mistake. Given the Falcons eagerness to establish a vertical passing game, to combine it with a smashmouth running game doesn't seem like it will mesh well. A guy like Rodgers would add explosiveness and a new dynamic to both the running game and passing game, but I think Smith will be hesitant to make the switch, unless Turner gets hurt or completely hits that imaginary RB wall.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Barring an injury?! I think you mean if Turner gets injured Quizz has a shot at that.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Poor comparisons. Foster. Undrafted and then got an opportunity due to injury at the end of a season. He performed and took over the starting role the following season. This is playing out far differently.
Also, the rest are not even comparable.
Tomlinson. First rounder.
Emmitt. First rounder.
Forte. Second rounder.
Rodgers. Fifth rounder.
I own Rodgers in a couple leagues and am hopeful but as it stands, I think we're more likely to see a Jerious Norwood-like outcome to this career (a third rounder taken by the Falcons) than we are a Foster or Terrell Davis-like career. Remember, Jerious was touted for his explosiveness but he never really panned out.
He'll get a shot, he may perform (I hope) but for every Foster or TD, there are literally dozens of guys that don't quite pan out. None of us outside of the profession have a sure sense of where this is headed.
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CalBear
Footballguy
He's going to get 1600 yards from scrimmage with just 90 carries and 60 receptions?
Jim Brown sucked compared to this guy. But seriously, all purpose yards, maybe if 60 come from 3 KR every week.Jerious Norwood looked great his rookie year, got only a few more carries his second year and still looked good, still didn't get an increased load his third year and still looked good, and then got sent to the trash heap when Atlanta started using Jason Snelling. Jason Snelling looks like he may be following the same career arc, although he started slow. Atlanta seems to really like the big, workhorse RB ... it doesn't seem like there's a lot of room for a second RB in that system, especially one that's 5'6" 195 lbs. Even when they were leading the league in rushing it was Warrick Dunn and Vick leading the way; TJ Duckett was an afterthought.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Oops I meant all purpose yards.
800-1000 KR yards
600-800 rushing/receiving yards
800-1000 KR yards
600-800 rushing/receiving yards
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Scooby1974
Footballguy
No camp last year + limited play + Full camp this year + an offseason to concentrate and grow (physically/knowledge of the offense and role within it) + New offensive scheme this year= the jury is still out until we see him on the field. He's no MJD or Sproles as he lacks the elite speed, but he could certainly turn out to be the better half of a RBBC and worth the roster spot. If your league awards points for returns then his value goes up quite a bit.
Ned
Footballguy
First he's MJD. Now he's Sproles light. Who's next?
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Take a look at the clip - he looks like MJD
Manster
Footballguy
I would assume most of these folks watched him closely in college. Look, I'm not saying he's "taking over", but something to remember is he WAS a workhorse, between the tackles back in college, against PAC-10 defenses. And he was very successful. At times dominant.You are 100% right about his change of direction. He is powerful as well. He uses his low center of gravity very well. What he lacks in size and all out speed, he makes up for with his cutting ability, vision, strength, and toughness.
IMO, quizz is the kind of back that gets stronger as the game goes on and the D gets tired. He keeps pounding away looking for little creases to exploit. I'm not sure if he can take the punishment at the NFL level, but thats how he will be successful. That and in the passing game.
CurlyDumps
Footballguy
Some knucklehead in my 10 team league dropped him for Russell Wilson. I dropped my backup QB (Fitzy) and snatched him up. Loving my stable of Rice, Martin, Ridley, Hillis, Donald Brown, and now Quizz. I'll pluck a QB off the WW when I need one. That fool is gonna regret letting him go.
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wudaben
Footballguy
No, last year Quizz had 205yds & 1TD rushing and 188yds & 1TD receiving. Atlanta has already stated that Turner's carries will be reduced so I'm expecting a floor of Bradshaw's 2008 rushing numbers. If Turner's attempts are cut back by 1/4 then Quizz could have somewhere in the 400-500 yds rusing barring an injury to Turner.Bradshaw:
2008: 355yds, 1TD Rushing & 42yds, 1TD receiving
2009: 778yds, 7TD Rushing & 207yds, 0TD receiving
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
I don't think Quizz is sniffing 150+ carries this year.
I am guessing 4-5 per game. So 100 carries this year would be great.
I am guessing 4-5 per game. So 100 carries this year would be great.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
interesting...
not likely, but i honestly wouldn't be all that surprised if they actually did cut turner... coaches talking about how quizz is a 3 down back all off season... turner due a nice chuck of cash and has showed no burst whatsoever during the preseason. 
not likely, but i honestly wouldn't be all that surprised if they actually did cut turner... coaches talking about how quizz is a 3 down back all off season... turner due a nice chuck of cash and has showed no burst whatsoever during the preseason.
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Lavachebeadsman
Footballguy
Still on this guy as a sleeper running back. If this team is explosive as we all think they are, Quizz has major value, 10 TD's for Turner or not.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Evan Silva's a moron.interesting...
Lavachebeadsman
Footballguy
Completely agree. Dude is awful.Evan Silva's a moron.interesting...
werdnoynek
Footballguy
differing opinion = lack of intelligence. got it.Completely agree. Dude is awful.Evan Silva's a moron.interesting...
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