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Javon Walker a Bronco! (1 Viewer)

Hendo

Footballguy
wow.... Walker in Denver will be mighty nice. this will help Cutlers progression alot when he takes the reigns down the road

thats a steal i'd rather have Walker then any other WR coming out in this draft

 
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DWidmar

Footballguy
I am happy he is a Bronco. Besides Philly, this was the best option in my opinion. I was scared with the Patriots rumors that he might end up there. My trade for Reggie Brown looks good for now. :banned: :banned: :banned:

 

MrPhoenix

Ron Paul Soldier
Yep, for the #37 pick straight up
Highway robbery. Guy could be a franchise WR for years and years to come.Am I crazy, or would this actually raise Lelie up a few notches? You could move Lelie to the slot and by having the opponent's top CB's focused on Walker and R. Smith, this could free up Lelie for some deep bombs.

 

Hendo

Footballguy
Yep, for the #37 pick straight up
Highway robbery. Guy could be a franchise WR for years and years to come.Am I crazy, or would this actually raise Lelie up a few notches? You could move Lelie to the slot and by having the opponent's top CB's focused on Walker and R. Smith, this could free up Lelie for some deep bombs.
i dont think this does nothing but hurt him.Walker is a franchise type WR who will take alot of those bombs away from lelie and actualy produce on a consistent basis.

 

Ozymandias

Footballguy
Yep, for the #37 pick straight up
Highway robbery. Guy could be a franchise WR for years and years to come.Am I crazy, or would this actually raise Lelie up a few notches? You could move Lelie to the slot and by having the opponent's top CB's focused on Walker and R. Smith, this could free up Lelie for some deep bombs.
Maybe it will free up Lelie to be a kid in the pool, since that's what he's been so far.
 

Unlucky

Phenom
Yep, for the #37 pick straight up
Am I crazy, or would this actually raise Lelie up a few notches? You could move Lelie to the slot and by having the opponent's top CB's focused on Walker and R. Smith, this could free up Lelie for some deep bombs.
You are crazy. Denver's #3 WR has produced little to nothing over the past however many years. Additionally, Lelie now has to compete with Rod Smith and Walker for catches. How many #3 WRs make for good fantasy WRs? Not many, ever.
 

lod2005

Footballguy
Bravo Ted Thompson. You are really a hack. Get rid of Walker, Chad Jackson staring you in the face, Bilicheck comes in, schools your lameass and you then trade the Walker pick you just got.

What a loser.

 

Brant

Footballguy
Yep, for the #37 pick straight up
Highway robbery. Guy could be a franchise WR for years and years to come.Am I crazy, or would this actually raise Lelie up a few notches? You could move Lelie to the slot and by having the opponent's top CB's focused on Walker and R. Smith, this could free up Lelie for some deep bombs.
Historically, Denver's 3rd WR produces next to nothing; plays featuring that position are not used much in that offense.
 

moleculo

Footballguy
Yep, for the #37 pick straight up
Highway robbery. Guy could be a franchise WR for years and years to come.Am I crazy, or would this actually raise Lelie up a few notches? You could move Lelie to the slot and by having the opponent's top CB's focused on Walker and R. Smith, this could free up Lelie for some deep bombs.
Historically, Denver's 3rd WR produces next to nothing; plays featuring that position are not used much in that offense.
don't read too much into that...they have never had the talent to have 3 decent WR's. It's been a problem since the SB years.
 

thatguy

Footballguy
Yep, for the #37 pick straight up
Highway robbery. Guy could be a franchise WR for years and years to come.Am I crazy, or would this actually raise Lelie up a few notches? You could move Lelie to the slot and by having the opponent's top CB's focused on Walker and R. Smith, this could free up Lelie for some deep bombs.
Historically, Denver's 3rd WR produces next to nothing; plays featuring that position are not used much in that offense.
This is true. However, with Smith and Walker, and Lelie as a proven deep threat, I wouldn't be surprised to see Shanny open it up a bit more this year. Not saying Lelie will post great numbers, but he'll be a nice threat for the deep ball from the slot and I think Denver would be wise to take advantage of that.I have to say, I couldn't be happier with how Denver's day has gone so far. First Cutler (love Plummer but Cutler has the potential to be a big time star). Now Javon. And still another pick in the first round. It's a good time to be a Denver fan.

 

Portis 26

Madden Freak
Walker may produce down the road, but I'm not sure he will this season. Seems like although players can come back from ACLs after a year, their first year back they play rather hobbled and it's not really till the second year back they are back to normal.

 

thatguy

Footballguy
So, do you think they try to trade Lelie for a draft pick? Maybe 4th or 5th rounder? I don't see them getting any more than that for him.

 

thatguy

Footballguy
Seriously, though, why the hell didn't Green Bay take Chad Jackson? Knowing they're going to be trading Javon for the very next pick, it doesn't make sense to pass on a guy like Chad Jackson.

 
T

trader jake

Guest
Seriously, though, why the hell didn't Green Bay take Chad Jackson? Knowing they're going to be trading Javon for the very next pick, it doesn't make sense to pass on a guy like Chad Jackson.
the packers have numerous holes that need to be filled. traded down twice (once from pick #36...and then from pick #37 after acquiring it from denver in this trade). pack GM ted thompson now has the picks to fill multiple holesas a packer fan, here's what i'll tell you denver bronco fans: you just got yourself a real player in javon walker. he's a hard worker and will fit in well in denver's system. obviously his ACL injury can't be ignored, but he should be good to go from week 1. denver is a win now team and javon could really help plummer now and cutler later

walker will want a new contract and he won't come cheap...but he will produce on the field and will be a nice replacement for rod smith as WR #1 soon :thumbup:

 

JAA

Footballguy
Seriously, though, why the hell didn't Green Bay take Chad Jackson?  Knowing they're going to be trading Javon for the very next pick, it doesn't make sense to pass on a guy like Chad Jackson.
the packers have numerous holes that need to be filled. traded down twice (once from pick #36...and then from pick #37 after acquiring it from denver in this trade). pack GM ted thompson now has the picks to fill multiple holesas a packer fan, here's what i'll tell you denver bronco fans: you just got yourself a real player in javon walker. he's a hard worker and will fit in well in denver's system. obviously his ACL injury can't be ignored, but he should be good to go from week 1. denver is a win now team and javon could really help plummer now and cutler later

walker will want a new contract and he won't come cheap...but he will produce on the field and will be a nice replacement for rod smith as WR #1 soon :thumbup:
Packers have taken 2 OL if Im not mistakenEDIT: I am mistaken

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1 5 Hawk, A.J. OLB 6-1 247 Ohio State 2 47 Colledge, Daryn OT 6-4 298 Boise State 2 52 Jennings, Greg WR 5-11 196 Western Michigan
 
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This was a great trade for Packers, let take a look at it:

Packers were not going to get anything out of him

a). coming back from ACL + potential to sit out

b). favre not playing next year + potential to sit out + or cost too much

Whether he turns out a franchise WR or not, but Packers don't have as much $$$ as teams like Cowboys and Gaints can. Good move Packs.

 

thatguy

Footballguy
This was a great trade for Packers, let take a look at it:

Packers were not going to get anything out of him

a). coming back from ACL + potential to sit out

b). favre not playing next year + potential to sit out + or cost too much

Whether he turns out a franchise WR or not, but Packers don't have as much $$$ as teams like Cowboys and Gaints can. Good move Packs.
Yeah, I like the move for both teams. Law 09's post above makes a lot of sense, but I still think the Packer's should have taken Chad Jackson.
 

CletiusMaximus

Footballguy
Seriously, though, why the hell didn't Green Bay take Chad Jackson? Knowing they're going to be trading Javon for the very next pick, it doesn't make sense to pass on a guy like Chad Jackson.
Maybe they don't think Chad Jackson is a good football player.
 

Carter_Can_Fly

Footballguy
Does Javon Surprass R. Smith as early as this year as the Broncos #1 WR?

Who will get more targets?

Who will have better numbers at seasons end?

Smith is no spring chicken.

 

Workhorse

Footballguy
Damn. As a Colt fan, this sucks. They could be outright scary in a year or so.
I don't think they're nearly as scary as my Pats -- An offensive nucleus of Maroney, Brady, Branch, Chad Jackson and Ben Watson? Talk about potential...
 

Dr. Malo

Footballguy
Walker may produce down the road, but I'm not sure he will this season. Seems like although players can come back from ACLs after a year, their first year back they play rather hobbled and it's not really till the second year back they are back to normal.
That's more mental than physical. A repaired knee is usually stronger than a normal knee.But you are right that trend seems to hold.

 

thatguy

Footballguy
Damn.  As a Colt fan, this sucks.  They could be outright scary in a year or so.
I don't think they're nearly as scary as my Pats -- An offensive nucleus of Maroney, Brady, Branch, Chad Jackson and Ben Watson? Talk about potential...
You're right. Two of the five players in that nucleus have never played a snap in the NFL. Clearly the Pats are much scarier.
 

Workhorse

Footballguy
Damn.  As a Colt fan, this sucks.  They could be outright scary in a year or so.
I don't think they're nearly as scary as my Pats -- An offensive nucleus of Maroney, Brady, Branch, Chad Jackson and Ben Watson? Talk about potential...
You're right. Two of the five players in that nucleus have never played a snap in the NFL. Clearly the Pats are much scarier.
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year. I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.Thanks for playing.

 

FrostBite

Footballguy
Damn. As a Colt fan, this sucks. They could be outright scary in a year or so.
I don't think they're nearly as scary as my Pats -- An offensive nucleus of Maroney, Brady, Branch, Chad Jackson and Ben Watson? Talk about potential...
You're right. Two of the five players in that nucleus have never played a snap in the NFL. Clearly the Pats are much scarier.
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year. I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.Thanks for playing.
Did the Broncos trade away Plummer?
 

moleculo

Footballguy
Damn. As a Colt fan, this sucks. They could be outright scary in a year or so.
I don't think they're nearly as scary as my Pats -- An offensive nucleus of Maroney, Brady, Branch, Chad Jackson and Ben Watson? Talk about potential...
You're right. Two of the five players in that nucleus have never played a snap in the NFL. Clearly the Pats are much scarier.
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year. I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.Thanks for playing.
And the pats fans rear their whiney toolish heads...like clockwork.edit: whiney. Forgot about the whiney part.

 
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Workhorse

Footballguy
Damn.  As a Colt fan, this sucks.  They could be outright scary in a year or so.
I don't think they're nearly as scary as my Pats -- An offensive nucleus of Maroney, Brady, Branch, Chad Jackson and Ben Watson? Talk about potential...
You're right. Two of the five players in that nucleus have never played a snap in the NFL. Clearly the Pats are much scarier.
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year. I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.Thanks for playing.
Did the Broncos trade away Plummer?
Plummer makes the Broncos scary in a few years? What's the point of carrying Cutler high first round money if he's not the future "in a year or so"?
 

thatguy

Footballguy
Damn.  As a Colt fan, this sucks.  They could be outright scary in a year or so.
I don't think they're nearly as scary as my Pats -- An offensive nucleus of Maroney, Brady, Branch, Chad Jackson and Ben Watson? Talk about potential...
You're right. Two of the five players in that nucleus have never played a snap in the NFL. Clearly the Pats are much scarier.
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year. I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.Thanks for playing.
Did the Broncos trade away Plummer?
Exactly. But, Workhorse, thank you for playing.
 

Workhorse

Footballguy
Damn.  As a Colt fan, this sucks.  They could be outright scary in a year or so.
I don't think they're nearly as scary as my Pats -- An offensive nucleus of Maroney, Brady, Branch, Chad Jackson and Ben Watson? Talk about potential...
You're right. Two of the five players in that nucleus have never played a snap in the NFL. Clearly the Pats are much scarier.
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year. I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.Thanks for playing.
And the pats fans rear their whiney toolish heads...like clockwork.edit: whiney. Forgot about the whiney part.
No, looks like you forgot to actually bring something to the discussion except a tired joke from two years ago.
 

Brant

Footballguy
Damn.  As a Colt fan, this sucks.  They could be outright scary in a year or so.
I don't think they're nearly as scary as my Pats -- An offensive nucleus of Maroney, Brady, Branch, Chad Jackson and Ben Watson? Talk about potential...
You're right. Two of the five players in that nucleus have never played a snap in the NFL. Clearly the Pats are much scarier.
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year. I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.Thanks for playing.
I still hate Pats fans, just about as much as I hate Steeler fans.
 

Pots

Footballguy
Damn. As a Colt fan, this sucks. They could be outright scary in a year or so.
I don't think they're nearly as scary as my Pats -- An offensive nucleus of Maroney, Brady, Branch, Chad Jackson and Ben Watson? Talk about potential...
You're right. Two of the five players in that nucleus have never played a snap in the NFL. Clearly the Pats are much scarier.
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year. I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.Thanks for playing.
I still hate Pats fans, just about as much as I hate Steeler fans.
:goodposting:
 

moleculo

Footballguy
Damn. As a Colt fan, this sucks. They could be outright scary in a year or so.
I don't think they're nearly as scary as my Pats -- An offensive nucleus of Maroney, Brady, Branch, Chad Jackson and Ben Watson? Talk about potential...
You're right. Two of the five players in that nucleus have never played a snap in the NFL. Clearly the Pats are much scarier.
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year. I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.Thanks for playing.
And the pats fans rear their whiney toolish heads...like clockwork.edit: whiney. Forgot about the whiney part.
No, looks like you forgot to actually bring something to the discussion except a tired joke from two years ago.
yet somehow it still applies.
 

Dr. Malo

Footballguy
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year. I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.

Thanks for playing.
You're funny!Our QB beat your QB in the AFC playoffs.... remember?

 

thatguy

Footballguy
Damn.  As a Colt fan, this sucks.  They could be outright scary in a year or so.
I don't think they're nearly as scary as my Pats -- An offensive nucleus of Maroney, Brady, Branch, Chad Jackson and Ben Watson? Talk about potential...
You're right. Two of the five players in that nucleus have never played a snap in the NFL. Clearly the Pats are much scarier.
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year. I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.Thanks for playing.
Did the Broncos trade away Plummer?
Plummer makes the Broncos scary in a few years? What's the point of carrying Cutler high first round money if he's not the future "in a year or so"?
Maybe the Broncos don't want to throw Cutler to the wolves like so many teams do their young QBs. Did you consider that? You know, give him a year or two or three to develop, learn the offense, and put him in there when he's ready. Denver was one game away from the Super Bowl with Plummer. I'm sure he can handle the load for as long as it takes to develop Cutler. And now, he has one of the best young WRs in football to throw to.

 

Workhorse

Footballguy
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year.  I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.

Thanks for playing.
You're funny!Our QB beat your QB in the AFC playoffs.... remember?
Must be really confident in him to move up to the #11 and pay Cutler early first round money to hold a clipboard.
 

BigRed

Footballguy
Damn.  As a Colt fan, this sucks.  They could be outright scary in a year or so.
I don't think they're nearly as scary as my Pats -- An offensive nucleus of Maroney, Brady, Branch, Chad Jackson and Ben Watson? Talk about potential...
shut up. :angry: :(
 

Workhorse

Footballguy
Damn.  As a Colt fan, this sucks.  They could be outright scary in a year or so.
I don't think they're nearly as scary as my Pats -- An offensive nucleus of Maroney, Brady, Branch, Chad Jackson and Ben Watson? Talk about potential...
You're right. Two of the five players in that nucleus have never played a snap in the NFL. Clearly the Pats are much scarier.
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year. I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.Thanks for playing.
Did the Broncos trade away Plummer?
Plummer makes the Broncos scary in a few years? What's the point of carrying Cutler high first round money if he's not the future "in a year or so"?
Maybe the Broncos don't want to throw Cutler to the wolves like so many teams do their young QBs. Did you consider that? You know, give him a year or two or three to develop, learn the offense, and put him in there when he's ready. Denver was one game away from the Super Bowl with Plummer. I'm sure he can handle the load for as long as it takes to develop Cutler. And now, he has one of the best young WRs in football to throw to.
Hey, I like the Walker trade. But the Broncos are also facing Rod Smith's retirement soon as well. If Plummer's the guy, great. But why hamstring your cap with such a high cap number that Cutler's going to command when he won't see the field as part of that plan -- If you're already so close to the title as you say, that doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
 

BigRed

Footballguy
DEN and NE both have had a great draft so far and should continue to be playoff contenders for years.

Can you kids stop whizzing in each other's cheerios now?

 

thatguy

Footballguy
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year.  I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.

Thanks for playing.
You're funny!Our QB beat your QB in the AFC playoffs.... remember?
Must be really confident in him to move up to the #11 and pay Cutler early first round money to hold a clipboard.
Or, maybe, they had Cutler pegged as the top QB of this draft class. Maybe, they felt he was worthy of a top 5 pick, and simply couldn't pass up the opportunity to trade up and grab him when he slipped out of the top 10.
 

Workhorse

Footballguy
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year.  I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.

Thanks for playing.
You're funny!Our QB beat your QB in the AFC playoffs.... remember?
Must be really confident in him to move up to the #11 and pay Cutler early first round money to hold a clipboard.
Or, maybe, they had Cutler pegged as the top QB of this draft class. Maybe, they felt he was worthy of a top 5 pick, and simply couldn't pass up the opportunity to trade up and grab him when he slipped out of the top 10.
Maybe, but that puts the cap in a vacuum.Plummer's got four more seasons left on that 7 yr/$40 million deal. Can they afford to carry two high cap numbers at the same position when they were so up against the cap in the first place heading into this offseason?

 

thatguy

Footballguy
Damn.  As a Colt fan, this sucks.  They could be outright scary in a year or so.
I don't think they're nearly as scary as my Pats -- An offensive nucleus of Maroney, Brady, Branch, Chad Jackson and Ben Watson? Talk about potential...
You're right. Two of the five players in that nucleus have never played a snap in the NFL. Clearly the Pats are much scarier.
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year. I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.Thanks for playing.
Did the Broncos trade away Plummer?
Plummer makes the Broncos scary in a few years? What's the point of carrying Cutler high first round money if he's not the future "in a year or so"?
Maybe the Broncos don't want to throw Cutler to the wolves like so many teams do their young QBs. Did you consider that? You know, give him a year or two or three to develop, learn the offense, and put him in there when he's ready. Denver was one game away from the Super Bowl with Plummer. I'm sure he can handle the load for as long as it takes to develop Cutler. And now, he has one of the best young WRs in football to throw to.
Hey, I like the Walker trade. But the Broncos are also facing Rod Smith's retirement soon as well. If Plummer's the guy, great. But why hamstring your cap with such a high cap number that Cutler's going to command when he won't see the field as part of that plan -- If you're already so close to the title as you say, that doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
Granted, the goal of an NFL franchise is to win now. But Pat Bowlen wants to win every year. Not just next year, but 2, 3, 5, 10 years from now. He doesn't believe in rebuilding. The Cutler pick just helps ensure that will happen. Of course he could bust--that's always a risk. But again, I don't think this move has anything to do with the Broncos being low on Plummer; rather, they're very high on Cutler.
 

thatguy

Footballguy
Clearly, the team whose QB has never played one snap in the NFL is a much more sure thing than the team with a QB who's won 3 rings and led the league in passing yards last year.  I'll take the team with the rookie RB/WR combo than the rookie QB who played for a losing college team.

Thanks for playing.
You're funny!Our QB beat your QB in the AFC playoffs.... remember?
Must be really confident in him to move up to the #11 and pay Cutler early first round money to hold a clipboard.
Or, maybe, they had Cutler pegged as the top QB of this draft class. Maybe, they felt he was worthy of a top 5 pick, and simply couldn't pass up the opportunity to trade up and grab him when he slipped out of the top 10.
Maybe, but that puts the cap in a vacuum.Plummer's got four more seasons left on that 7 yr/$40 million deal. Can they afford to carry two high cap numbers at the same position when they were so up against the cap in the first place heading into this offseason?
Well, I assume if Cutler is NFL ready in two years, there's a good chance Plummer will be gone. Denver has always been very clever in manipulating their cap number (too clever at times). I'm sure they've taken it into consideration.
 

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