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Jeremy Hill, RB (LVR) (1 Viewer)

Great gutsy call by those members who said they would sit Dez for him. I started Hill in my flex over torrey smith--but I'm not sure I would ever sit a guy like Dez for Hill. Hill looked great today--but let's not forget about what Dez did. He had a backup qb that could barely throw a beach ball in the ocean throwing him the ball today--and he still managed to squeeze out a TD. I just don't know if I would ever have the juevos to sit a guy like Dez--but I'm also not the kind of person who is afraid to give props. Great call guys.

 
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jvdesigns2002 said:
Great gutsy call by those members who said they would sit Dez for him. I started Hill in my flex over torrey smith--but I'm not sure I would ever sit a guy like Dez for Hill. Hill looked great today--but let's not forget about what Dez did. He had a backup qb that could barely throw a beach ball in the ocean throwing him the ball today--and he still managed to squeeze out a TD. I just don't know if I would ever have the juevos to sit a guy like Dez--but I'm also not the kind of person who is afraid to give props. Great call guys.
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I sat Dez, Demaryius, Calvin, and Sayers for Hill. Guess that worked out okay.

PS- Shoulda sat Jerry Rice too, as it turns out.

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
Bernard will still be 1A when he comes back (for now), but remember these notes...

Hill rushed for more yards today than Bernard has in any game of his NFL career.

Hill rushed for 6.4ypc today behind the same line that Bernard has failed to rush for even 4ypc behind in 9 of his last 11 starts.

Bernard is a great multi-dimensional weapon, but Hill is just a better runner. In time, if Bernard doesn't improve his rushing ability significantly, I could see Hill becoming more the 1A with Bernard the 1B instead of the other way around.
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I generally agree with the overall premise that Hill is the superior runner between the tackles, but in spite of what his final numbers would suggest, I thought he was a relatively ineffective non-factor for a significant part of the game. He had something like 10 carries for 25 yards around the midway point of the 3rd quarter.

He definitely picked things up after that, but he was also basically gifted the first 50 yards of his long TD run as he wasn't even touched until the 10 yard line.

People are going to go crazy over it, but this just wasn't the sort of dominating performance that a stat line like that usually indicates.

 
EastonBlues22 said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Bernard will still be 1A when he comes back (for now), but remember these notes...

Hill rushed for more yards today than Bernard has in any game of his NFL career.

Hill rushed for 6.4ypc today behind the same line that Bernard has failed to rush for even 4ypc behind in 9 of his last 11 starts.

Bernard is a great multi-dimensional weapon, but Hill is just a better runner. In time, if Bernard doesn't improve his rushing ability significantly, I could see Hill becoming more the 1A with Bernard the 1B instead of the other way around.
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I generally agree with the overall premise that Hill is the superior runner between the tackles, but in spite of what his final numbers would suggest, I thought he was a relatively ineffective non-factor for a significant part of the game. He had something like 10 carries for 25 yards around the midway point of the 3rd quarter. He definitely picked things up after that, but he was also basically gifted the first 50 yards of his long TD run as he wasn't even touched until the 10 yard line.

People are going to go crazy over it, but this just wasn't the sort of dominating performance that a stat line like that usually indicates.
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:lmao:

 
Smiley spam. The bane of discussion forums everywhere.

I'd ask what part you disagree with, but I figure if you had anything substantive to add to the conversation, then you probably would have led with that.

 
I can't help but remember everyone that said the 2014 RB draft class was pedestrian.....

Looks like it was a stacked class to me...

 
OrangeJulius said:
I can't help but remember everyone that said the 2014 RB draft class was pedestrian.....

Looks like it was a stacked class to me...
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So are we just ignoring that you were touting Sankey as the clear lead dog of the class? Or was changing your user name your way of hiding from that part?

 
RBM said:
OrangeJulius said:
bostonfred said:
That was beastly
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He is a talent! You have missed that in your caveman determination of things!!!
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I gotta defend BF here. What exactly has he said that's been wrong? He said Hill would be basically useless because of Gio and that's pretty much what's happened so far.
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Don't reallly care about proving a guy wrong, but the 15-18 person list of RBs he likes better even with Gio out and the Bengals facing the Jags at home as 11 pt faves seemed pretty silly at the time. The only data we get suggests it was wrong. Don't reallly disagree with his season-long take, but when Gio went down that should have killed his main premise for his skepticism. Instead, he dug his heels in against him being a good play this week. Being inflexible like that on a position or player is not good in fantasy IMO.

 
I love Hill, think he will be a great running back. I even thought he was going to blow up and he will against Cleveland Thursday.

But what is it with everyone and their 20/20 hindsight with those who did not?

Is it OK for people to be wrong than see the light? Guess not because so many are rubbing it in peoples faces like they knew this was happening. No one knew, if anyone claims they knew Hill was getting 150 and 2, I'm calling BS.

 
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Jerry Curl said:
I love Hill, think he will be a great running back. I even thought he was going to blow up and he will against Cleveland Thursday.

But what is it with everyone and their 20/20 hindsight with those who did not?

Is it OK for people to be wrong than see the light? Guess not because so many are rubbing it in peoples faces like they knew this was happening. No one knew, if anyone claims they knew Hill was getting 150 and 2, I'm calling BS.
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There were some predicting big games, maybe not 150/2tds but i agree about not rubbing it in peoples faces.

 
It was just one week. Doubt it happens again this year. But, as someone who traded for him specifically as a bye week filler this week, feeling pretty great about it.

 
Jerry Curl said:
I love Hill, think he will be a great running back. I even thought he was going to blow up and he will against Cleveland Thursday.

But what is it with everyone and their 20/20 hindsight with those who did not?

Is it OK for people to be wrong than see the light? Guess not because so many are rubbing it in peoples faces like they knew this was happening. No one knew, if anyone claims they knew Hill was getting 150 and 2, I'm calling BS.
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Welcome to the internet. I've taken heat for my comment yesterday, and I own it. But some tools here have felt the need to pile on. I'm o.k. with it, because I was wrong, but I think it shows what kind of insecure people there are here and on the interwebs in general. If Gio is out again week 10, even with the quick turn around, Hill should easily be a top 10 RB against that laughable Browns run D. So of course, in this week-to-week NFL, that means he'll struggle to compile 70 total yds.

 
EastonBlues22 said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Bernard will still be 1A when he comes back (for now), but remember these notes...

Hill rushed for more yards today than Bernard has in any game of his NFL career.

Hill rushed for 6.4ypc today behind the same line that Bernard has failed to rush for even 4ypc behind in 9 of his last 11 starts.

Bernard is a great multi-dimensional weapon, but Hill is just a better runner. In time, if Bernard doesn't improve his rushing ability significantly, I could see Hill becoming more the 1A with Bernard the 1B instead of the other way around.
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I generally agree with the overall premise that Hill is the superior runner between the tackles, but in spite of what his final numbers would suggest, I thought he was a relatively ineffective non-factor for a significant part of the game. He had something like 10 carries for 25 yards around the midway point of the 3rd quarter.

He definitely picked things up after that, but he was also basically gifted the first 50 yards of his long TD run as he wasn't even touched until the 10 yard line.

People are going to go crazy over it, but this just wasn't the sort of dominating performance that a stat line like that usually indicates.
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Inaccurate. He made a great cut at the LOS to get through two defenders with only one blocker in front. To have that size, speed, and the ability to cut it up the field on a dime is a unique skill set. Then to change speed, re-accelerate, and trash the last safety was a joy to watch!

 
Jerry Curl said:
I love Hill, think he will be a great running back. I even thought he was going to blow up and he will against Cleveland Thursday.

But what is it with everyone and their 20/20 hindsight with those who did not?

Is it OK for people to be wrong than see the light? Guess not because so many are rubbing it in peoples faces like they knew this was happening. No one knew, if anyone claims they knew Hill was getting 150 and 2, I'm calling BS.
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sounds like somebody is a little salty they were late gettin' boarding the train and got left at the station.

don't worry, gio should be driving a bus pretty soon --- maybe he'll swing by and pick you up

 
Sabertooth said:
I'm thinking he's peaked.
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It will go back to the way it was when Gio comes back, but IMO Hill is the better RB and Gio would make a better change of pace and 3rd down back. Better doesn't always win out however.

 
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JohnnyU said:
Sabertooth said:
I'm thinking he's peaked.
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It will go back to the way it was when Gio comes back, but IMO Hill is the better RB and Gio would make a better change of pace and 3rd down back. Better doesn't always win out however.
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Why should it go back to the way it was? Why does Gio need to get the ball 18-20 times a game? Not only has this approach not proven to be effective, Gio has begun to get banged up.

As much as I hate to say it, Gio needs to be the change-of-pace back. BUT, Gio needs to be used more creatively. He needs to get more receptions. Use him in the Reggie Bush role. Force feeding Gio up the middle 20 times a game doesn't help Cincy or Gio. Going back to the way it was seems like a poor coaching decision.

 
shader said:
JohnnyU said:
Sabertooth said:
I'm thinking he's peaked.
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It will go back to the way it was when Gio comes back, but IMO Hill is the better RB and Gio would make a better change of pace and 3rd down back. Better doesn't always win out however.
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Why should it go back to the way it was? Why does Gio need to get the ball 18-20 times a game? Not only has this approach not proven to be effective, Gio has begun to get banged up.

As much as I hate to say it, Gio needs to be the change-of-pace back. BUT, Gio needs to be used more creatively. He needs to get more receptions. Use him in the Reggie Bush role. Force feeding Gio up the middle 20 times a game doesn't help Cincy or Gio. Going back to the way it was seems like a poor coaching decision.
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Well, let's see who coaches the Bengals....

 
shader said:
JohnnyU said:
Sabertooth said:
I'm thinking he's peaked.
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It will go back to the way it was when Gio comes back, but IMO Hill is the better RB and Gio would make a better change of pace and 3rd down back. Better doesn't always win out however.
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Why should it go back to the way it was? Why does Gio need to get the ball 18-20 times a game? Not only has this approach not proven to be effective, Gio has begun to get banged up.

As much as I hate to say it, Gio needs to be the change-of-pace back. BUT, Gio needs to be used more creatively. He needs to get more receptions. Use him in the Reggie Bush role. Force feeding Gio up the middle 20 times a game doesn't help Cincy or Gio. Going back to the way it was seems like a poor coaching decision.
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I don't think Hill killing Jax means much, but I do think they are taking notice if Gio's body not surviving the workload. Best thing for the Bengals is probably an even split, but that won't make fantasy owners happy.
 
I agree. I think Hill/Gio in more of a split would make a lot of sense. 18 carries for Hill and 12 for Gio with some catches makes a lot of sense to me. I'd use Hill extensively late in games when nursing a lead too. We'll see what happens but I think it's going to be more of the same.

 
The question I have is whether both can be fantasy viable at the same time. I think so, but only if Hill gets 15-20 carries and Gio gets 4-5 catches a game.

 
Giovani Bernard - RB - Bengals
ESPN Bengals reporter Coley Harvey says there's "zero" chance Gio Bernard loses his starting job to Jeremy Hill.
With Bernard (hip) sidelined on Sunday, Hill impressed with 24-154-2 in a win over the Jaguars. Harvey says we "might see little more Hill now, but Gio still No. 1." Bernard's status for Thursday's game against the Browns' rancid run defense is unknown, but if active we'd expect him to push for 15-18 touches as usual. However, he'll have to pick up his play to avoid losing work to Hill. Gio was averaging just 2.69 YPC in Weeks 7 and 8.

 
Jerry Curl said:
I love Hill, think he will be a great running back. I even thought he was going to blow up and he will against Cleveland Thursday.

But what is it with everyone and their 20/20 hindsight with those who did not?

Is it OK for people to be wrong than see the light? Guess not because so many are rubbing it in peoples faces like they knew this was happening. No one knew, if anyone claims they knew Hill was getting 150 and 2, I'm calling BS.
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Of course not. There isn't an RB in the league you'd ever predict to get 150 and 2. It's rare performance for an RB in the modern, pass-heavy NFL.

 
@pauldehnerjr: RT @BrewsandBengals: @pauldehnerjr I may have missed this but is gio bernard good to play this thursday? // Won't happen.

Per Cincy beat writer.

All hill for one more game!

 
The Cincinnati Enquirer does not believe Gio Bernard (hip) will play in Thursday's game against the Browns.

Beat writer Paul Dehner Jr. was asked on Twitter if Gio is good to go for Week 10. He responded with "Won't happen." It's certainly not a formal report and we've heard no updates on Bernard's status, but holding him out another week makes sense. Jeremy Hill can more than handle himself as the feature back and Bernard appeared to be wearing down a bit before his injury. If Gio is inactive, Hill will be a no-brainer RB1.
 
All I was calling was that Hill had a better chance of getting more yards than Dez (which is not a stretch this year) and the chances of getting a TD may be similar.

Until Gio returns, I'm riding the Hill express. Now, do I use him as one of my few keepers? The remainder of the season and next year's preseaoon will determine that.

 
RBM said:
OrangeJulius said:
bostonfred said:
That was beastly
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He is a talent!

You have missed that in your caveman determination of things!!!
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I gotta defend BF here. What exactly has he said that's been wrong? He said Hill would be basically useless because of Gio and that's pretty much what's happened so far.
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Let's ignore the fact that he hasn't been useless so far, but for starters, that Hill is "roster poison" and has a "low ceiling". He then followed that up by saying he "stands by everything he has said" (which obviously includes those ridiculous statements), even after his monster game. :loco:

 
EastonBlues22 said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Bernard will still be 1A when he comes back (for now), but remember these notes...

Hill rushed for more yards today than Bernard has in any game of his NFL career.

Hill rushed for 6.4ypc today behind the same line that Bernard has failed to rush for even 4ypc behind in 9 of his last 11 starts.

Bernard is a great multi-dimensional weapon, but Hill is just a better runner. In time, if Bernard doesn't improve his rushing ability significantly, I could see Hill becoming more the 1A with Bernard the 1B instead of the other way around.
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I generally agree with the overall premise that Hill is the superior runner between the tackles, but in spite of what his final numbers would suggest, I thought he was a relatively ineffective non-factor for a significant part of the game. He had something like 10 carries for 25 yards around the midway point of the 3rd quarter. He definitely picked things up after that, but he was also basically gifted the first 50 yards of his long TD run as he wasn't even touched until the 10 yard line.

People are going to go crazy over it, but this just wasn't the sort of dominating performance that a stat line like that usually indicates.
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He wasn't touched until the 10 yard line because he made a filthy cut around the LoS that about shook the defender out of his shoes.

He may not have been touched until the 10, but he made the first man miss long before that.

 
EastonBlues22 said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Bernard will still be 1A when he comes back (for now), but remember these notes...

Hill rushed for more yards today than Bernard has in any game of his NFL career.

Hill rushed for 6.4ypc today behind the same line that Bernard has failed to rush for even 4ypc behind in 9 of his last 11 starts.

Bernard is a great multi-dimensional weapon, but Hill is just a better runner. In time, if Bernard doesn't improve his rushing ability significantly, I could see Hill becoming more the 1A with Bernard the 1B instead of the other way around.
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I generally agree with the overall premise that Hill is the superior runner between the tackles, but in spite of what his final numbers would suggest, I thought he was a relatively ineffective non-factor for a significant part of the game. He had something like 10 carries for 25 yards around the midway point of the 3rd quarter.

He definitely picked things up after that, but he was also basically gifted the first 50 yards of his long TD run as he wasn't even touched until the 10 yard line.

People are going to go crazy over it, but this just wasn't the sort of dominating performance that a stat line like that usually indicates.
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This kind of logic is only good in the Gio thread lol

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
EastonBlues22 said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Bernard will still be 1A when he comes back (for now), but remember these notes...

Hill rushed for more yards today than Bernard has in any game of his NFL career.

Hill rushed for 6.4ypc today behind the same line that Bernard has failed to rush for even 4ypc behind in 9 of his last 11 starts.

Bernard is a great multi-dimensional weapon, but Hill is just a better runner. In time, if Bernard doesn't improve his rushing ability significantly, I could see Hill becoming more the 1A with Bernard the 1B instead of the other way around.
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I generally agree with the overall premise that Hill is the superior runner between the tackles, but in spite of what his final numbers would suggest, I thought he was a relatively ineffective non-factor for a significant part of the game. He had something like 10 carries for 25 yards around the midway point of the 3rd quarter.

He definitely picked things up after that, but he was also basically gifted the first 50 yards of his long TD run as he wasn't even touched until the 10 yard line.

People are going to go crazy over it, but this just wasn't the sort of dominating performance that a stat line like that usually indicates.
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This kind of logic is only good in the Gio thread lol
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It wasn't really logic

 
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