Jeremy Hill, RB (LVR) (2 Viewers)

[Synthesizer]

Sometimes coaches just cut off their own nose to spite their faces with this idea that they have to have two backs playing.

Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that Hill picks up that 3rd down on that draw before the half? Burkhead got dragged down by a finger tackle on what should have been a big play.

Maybe the coaches didn't want to risk another Hill fumble?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Sometimes coaches just cut off their own nose to spite their faces with this idea that they have to have two backs playing.

Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that Hill picks up that 3rd down on that draw before the half? Burkhead got dragged down by a finger tackle on what should have been a big play.

Maybe the coaches didn't want to risk another Hill fumble?

Hill's fumble tonight was his 2nd since he was in high school.

ETA: Hill had 1 fumble in 371 career touches in college. Burkhead had 4 fumbles in 376 touches.

 

[lod01]

West is such a plodder

 

[steveski]

He shouldn't have been yanked after the fumble. He's clearly the best back they have active right now and yes, they have a better chance of winning tonight if they use him (even if he fumbles again) than if they use someone else who can't even break an arm tackle.

 

[Jack White]

I can't believe he's been benched for his first career fumble.

Chance he was injured on the play?

 

[jurb26]

Why do people keep saying he was benched for his fumble? He wasn't.

 

[Jack White]

I can't believe he's been benched for his first career fumble.

Chance he was injured on the play?

Seven yards first carry.

 

[qimqam]

You guys gotta relax ... Hill hasn't done anything but fumble and Burkhead's averaging 6 yards per carry

 

[Jack White]

Why do people keep saying he was benched for his fumble? He wasn't.

Then why did he get zero snaps the rest of the half?

 

[jurb26]

Why do people keep saying he was benched for his fumble? He wasn't.

Then why did he get zero snaps the rest of the half?

He missed a series in the normal rotation. Then the rest of the half was passing situations. Hill was in on a first down play that got penalized and they went back to the passing RB.

 

[Jack White]

Why do people keep saying he was benched for his fumble? He wasn't.

Then why did he get zero snaps the rest of the half?

He missed a series in the normal rotation. Then the rest of the half was passing situations. Hill was in on a first down play that got penalized and they went back to the passing RB.

OK, I missed that.

 

[qimqam]

This is pathetic ... Someone on this team has to be accountable.

This is supposed to be a Superbowl team ... Either Marvin Lewis or Dalton has to lose their job

 

[mquinnjr]

Thanks, Firecrotch

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Gingy pretty much killed the whole Bengal offense this evening. Fugly.

Hey, at least he balanced out the fumble he had earlier....I guess.

 

[Jack White]

Gingy pretty much killed the whole Bengal offense this evening. Fugly.

Hey, at least he balanced out the fumble he had earlier....I guess.

Sitting at 0.24 points in my league.

 

[cubbie5150]

Hahaha...Hill gains about 15'ish yds on a dump off...called back due to penalty. Sums up the night

 

[gradin123]

Hill's forward looking value has gone down so much in this game and it mostly isn't even his fault.

The Bengals are so just bad right now that it is hard to imagine they will playing with lead too often for the rest of the season. The only thing keeping up Bernard's value when he returns is his receiving prowness. Hill will have very little value once Bernard gets back.

Remember the Bengals only have 2 remaining home games as well.

 

[NREC34]

It's usually a bad sign for a team when any offensive player gets 2 tackles. At least I own him in idp league.

 

[Jerry Curl]

 

[Widbil83]

Yeah Hill coughed it up and it sucked, but Dalton completely Munsoned that game. A 2.0 QB rating!?

 

[weebs]

Started hill.... Good thing he started hoyer

 

[Houston turmOiler]

I'm actually surprised he was able to get 55 yards and average 4.6/att on 12 carries considering how horrible his QB was. The fumble hurt but I didn't imagine Dalton being ad inept as anyone I've ever seen either. Campbell sucks but I wish they'd have tried him much earlier to try anyone else.

 

[mnmplayer]

More meh, just like the 3.5 quarters of last game, except they didn't have a lead this time and like I said about the JAX game if CIn is playing catch-up Hill will disappear. I think if Gio was playing he would have had at least 5-6 recs tonight. Dalton couldn't throw farther than 10 yards with any accuracy and really missed leaning on Gio for dumpoffs in a game like this, as did the entire offense.

 

[Jack White]

Started hill.... Good thing he started hoyer

Just about everyone who has Hill started him.

As others have said, his stat line (other than the lost fumble, of course) was not horrible. Dalton was the problem.

 

[gradin123]

Started hill.... Good thing he started hoyer

Just about everyone who has Hill started him.

As others have said, his stat line (other than the lost fumble, of course) was not horrible. Dalton was the problem.

But is that going to change going forward? Probably not. Also, it wasn't just Dalton that was horrible, considering they were playing a team missing their pro bowl center, top two wideouts and top TE the Bengals defense was also awful and that isn't likely to change going forward either.

In theory it would be nice to run a lot but if you are always behind in the game you really don't have that luxury. Bernard clearly has more value in this offense going forward because he is the more polished pass receiving back. Hill may be better between the tackles but that isn't enough to give him any real value going forward once Bernard gets back.

 

[Judge Smails]

Sometimes coaches just cut off their own nose to spite their faces with this idea that they have to have two backs playing.

Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that Hill picks up that 3rd down on that draw before the half? Burkhead got dragged down by a finger tackle on what should have been a big play.

Maybe the coaches didn't want to risk another Hill fumble?

Hill's fumble tonight was his 2nd since he was in high school.

ETA: Hill had 1 fumble in 371 career touches in college. Burkhead had 4 fumbles in 376 touches.

He actually had a bad fumble last week but a Bengal recovered it.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Sometimes coaches just cut off their own nose to spite their faces with this idea that they have to have two backs playing.

Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that Hill picks up that 3rd down on that draw before the half? Burkhead got dragged down by a finger tackle on what should have been a big play.

Maybe the coaches didn't want to risk another Hill fumble?

Hill's fumble tonight was his 2nd since he was in high school.

ETA: Hill had 1 fumble in 371 career touches in college. Burkhead had 4 fumbles in 376 touches.

He actually had a bad fumble last week but a Bengal recovered it.

Not saying you're wrong, as I didn't watch the whole game, but NFL.com does not have a fumble recorded for Hill in that game.

 

[bostonfred]

I actually think he looked ok. Not a great fantasy night but not as much a disaster as it seems. Nfl teams aren't as fickle as fantasy owners. He might even be a bargain again after an outing like this.

I do think this is a good reminder that just because a backup rb gets a solo start and looks good doing it, doesn't mean they're hoping to continue to do well. It felt like people were projecting 160 yards and 2 tds per game the rest of the way, and that's obviously never going to happen. But good running backs can easily have a crappy 12 for 55 game, expecially against an amped up defense like Cleveland had tonight.

I would love it if we could stop the individual calling out crap and just discuss these things like grownups. Not sure if that's along to much for an Internet message board but I'm not going back and bumping anything tonight. It was one data point in a 16 game season. He may get another solo start next week, and I wish his owners well then too.

 

[Jack White]

Started hill.... Good thing he started hoyer

Just about everyone who has Hill started him.

As others have said, his stat line (other than the lost fumble, of course) was not horrible. Dalton was the problem.

But is that going to change going forward? Probably not. Also, it wasn't just Dalton that was horrible, considering they were playing a team missing their pro bowl center, top two wideouts and top TE the Bengals defense was also awful and that isn't likely to change going forward either.

In theory it would be nice to run a lot but if you are always behind in the game you really don't have that luxury. Bernard clearly has more value in this offense going forward because he is the more polished pass receiving back. Hill may be better between the tackles but that isn't enough to give him any real value going forward once Bernard gets back.

Oh, I agree. I've given Hill two starts and he will return to the bench when Gio comes back. Conversely, if Gio is out next week, I'll give Hill another start.

 

[Stryker]

Really f'd me tonight. Had him in a few FanDuel leagues too. Sob.

 

[zftcg]

My feelings for the Bengals after that game are best summed up by an anecdote in one of my favorite sports memoirs ever written, Bill "Spaceman" Lee's The Wrong Stuff:

Tiant was also a great guy to have in the clubhouse. God, I loved being around him ... Once Harper pulled a rock in the outfield, costing us a few runs in a game we lost. When we came into the locker room, everyone was upset. Luis got up off his chair to go to the john. He took a dump, flushed the toilet and yelled, "Goodbye, Tommy!"

That was an absolutely horrific display, but Dalton and the Bengals offense are not going to be that incompetent the rest of the way. Flush that game down the toilet, yell goodbye, and evaluate them based on their season-long performance (which is, admittedly, not all that great, but certainly better than what we saw tonight).

 

[bill bates hits hard]

Dalton is truly gross to watch. Geno levels gross.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Jeremy Hill rushed 12 times for 55 yards in the Bengals' Week 10 loss to the Browns, adding a six-yard reception.

Hill also lost an unlucky fumble, which earned him a quarter-long benching. The ball got speared out by a helmet from behind. The cough up was the first of Hill's career. Hill's usage was simply inexcusable, as Andy Dalton had an historically-bad night, while the Browns can't defend the run. OC Hue Jackson is going to wish he could get a mulligan on his game plan. Now averaging 4.69 yards through his first 86 carries, Hill has definitively proven he's Cincy's best option between the tackles. The question is whether Jackson will keep feeding him the rock upon Giovani Bernard's return from a hip injury. Even if Bernard is back for Week 11, Hill will be an upside FLEX option with a strong chance at finding the end zone.

Nov 7 - 12:02 AM

 

[Mojo56]

Really f'd me tonight. Had him in a few FanDuel leagues too. Sob.

I'm in 10 HTH games and in every one my opponent also had Hill. It looks liks he was probably owned on 70-80% of the teams in the 50/50's I'm in also so it might not be as bad as you think. GPP's are probably toast though.

p.s. 1 guy in a 50/50 had Dalton, Hll, Sanu and Green. Not an ideal strategy in a cash game IMHO.

 

[Acrobat7]

Started hill.... Good thing he started hoyer

Just about everyone who has Hill started him.

As others have said, his stat line (other than the lost fumble, of course) was not horrible. Dalton was the problem.

It also depends on who you benched for him. In my case it doesn't look good at all... :facepalm:

 

[Dr. Octopus]

But is that going to change going forward? Probably not. Also, it wasn't just Dalton that was horrible, considering they were playing a team missing their pro bowl center, top two wideouts and top TE the Bengals defense was also awful and that isn't likely to change going forward either.

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Isn't this just a little bit of an over-reaction to one game?

The Bengals haven't been nearly this bad in another game, and are likey not going to be this bad again.

 

[jurb26]

People need to get a grip and stop overreacting g so much. It was a bad fantasy game. It seems Cinci panicked and got away from the run. 12 carries on the night, 9 were in the first half. Dalton played the worst game of his career. It was one of the worst QB performances I've seen all year. Bortles and Bridgewater are the only guys who can probably claim a worse performance and they're rookies.

All this talk of Gio's job being safe is ridiculous. It was safe last week even after Hill put up a monster game. I'm not sure what people were actually expecting Hill to take over but that was never going to happen.

Hill again showed he's a good runner last night IMO. I don't think anything has really changed. His fumble was mistake but it was one fumble for a guy who is known to have great ball security. It happens.

Much like last week I still think Gio comes back as the starter and lead role. Hills role will increase, though.

 

[JohnnyU]

That 10 yard run was a thing of beauty. He looks good running with the ball. Had the passing game been working and the Bengals ahead in the score, you probably would have seen more from Hill. For this game he was a victim of how the game played out for the Bengals.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

That 10 yard run was a thing of beauty. He looks good running with the ball. Had the passing game been working and the Bengals ahead in the score, you probably would have seen more from Hill.

Pretty much this. He's looked very good running it, particularly inside the tackle box.

It's odd, as much pressure as the Browns were getting and as often as they were letting Hill scrape into the flat, that Gingy wasn't staying true to his Capt. Checkdown rep this game. Hill isn't Bernard as a receiver, but he not a zero either, and was open for easy gains at least 2-3 times more than the one catch he did have. I can only recall him being targeted one other time in the flat....and Dalton still managed to throw it 15 feet over his head.

 

[Warpig]

DAMN IT! I started Geno Atkins! <_<

 

[wallacesnoop]

He's gonna be awful Thursday. I say 60 yards max...if it wasn't for that huge run he wouldn't have done anything.

This guy is going to eat crow like he participated in the mckamey manor

Yeah this guy ate so much crow....lol

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

But is that going to change going forward? Probably not. Also, it wasn't just Dalton that was horrible, considering they were playing a team missing their pro bowl center, top two wideouts and top TE the Bengals defense was also awful and that isn't likely to change going forward either.

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Isn't this just a little bit of an over-reaction to one game?

The Bengals haven't been nearly this bad in another game, and are likey not going to be this bad again.

seriously?

You must have missed them getting shut out in Indy, or the playoff game vs SD last year

Dalton has shown the ability to throw up clunkers left & right. Then drive you mad with a great performance and hang 30 on the Ravens.

 

[Cheesedawg]

More meh, just like the 3.5 quarters of last game, except they didn't have a lead this time and like I said about the JAX game if CIn is playing catch-up Hill will disappear. I think if Gio was playing he would have had at least 5-6 recs tonight. Dalton couldn't throw farther than 10 yards with any accuracy and really missed leaning on Gio for dumpoffs in a game like this, as did the entire offense.

"Meh" is not a word and is used by people who can't speak english. The rest of your post was unintelligible as well.

 

[Sabertooth]

FBG nailed this one. Started him in a superflex over Cam. Lol. The more I play this, the less I think of so called expert analysis. Lots of information doesn't necessarily mean good information.

 

[stbugs]

That 10 yard run was a thing of beauty. He looks good running with the ball. Had the passing game been working and the Bengals ahead in the score, you probably would have seen more from Hill.

Pretty much this. He's looked very good running it, particularly inside the tackle box.

It's odd, as much pressure as the Browns were getting and as often as they were letting Hill scrape into the flat, that Gingy wasn't staying true to his Capt. Checkdown rep this game. Hill isn't Bernard as a receiver, but he not a zero either, and was open for easy gains at least 2-3 times more than the one catch he did have. I can only recall him being targeted one other time in the flat....and Dalton still managed to throw it 15 feet over his head.

He had two receptions called back by penalties, probably 20 yards total. One was real nice, but lineman down field.

 

[humpback]

No one would have realistically predicted such an awful performance out of Dalton and the Bengals last night. No idea how they'll respond going forward, but that was pathetic.

 

[Warpig]

FBG nailed this one. Started him in a superflex over Cam. Lol. The more I play this, the less I think of so called expert analysis. Lots of information doesn't necessarily mean good information.

It's almost getting to the point when a guy is hyped all week, he turns in a dud. I've started using this strategy in my weekly pickems and I've been winning more often. When it seems a team has been on a roll and are going against a team they should totally destroy, the opposite happens. Same with players. Remember that next time. When a player is being hyped during the week...curb your enthusiasm and look for another option.

 

[chad in Indy]

People need to get a grip and stop overreacting g so much. It was a bad fantasy game. It seems Cinci panicked and got away from the run. 12 carries on the night, 9 were in the first half. Dalton played the worst game of his career. It was one of the worst QB performances I've seen all year. Bortles and Bridgewater are the only guys who can probably claim a worse performance and they're rookies.

All this talk of Gio's job being safe is ridiculous. It was safe last week even after Hill put up a monster game. I'm not sure what people were actually expecting Hill to take over but that was never going to happen.

Hill again showed he's a good runner last night IMO. I don't think anything has really changed. His fumble was mistake but it was one fumble for a guy who is known to have great ball security. It happens.

Much like last week I still think Gio comes back as the starter and lead role. Hills role will increase, though.

This was my takeaway too. Bengals abandoned the run when they should have abandoned the pass.

With the way Dalton played, the coaches would be wise to shift more to the run. I think Gio/Hill compliment each other very well as long as the coaches don't get too predictable with their usage. I think Hill could have been used a lot more on screens/dump offs last night.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

FBG nailed this one. Started him in a superflex over Cam. Lol. The more I play this, the less I think of so called expert analysis. Lots of information doesn't necessarily mean good information.

LOL, really? the old blame FBG card? Sheesh.

Whats the matter merlin your crystal ball broken?

 

[Jerry Curl]

FBG nailed this one. Started him in a superflex over Cam. Lol. The more I play this, the less I think of so called expert analysis. Lots of information doesn't necessarily mean good information.

LOL, really? the old blame FBG card? Sheesh.

Whats the matter merlin your crystal ball broken?

In fantasy football its hard to have experts. Experts are people who have been employed by media outlets and networks at the time when fantasy became popular, former players who sucked at the actual game of football and are people who managed to have enough money and time to create a website before all the other ones came around at the height of fantasy footballs popularity.

You cant be an expert at something that has everything to do with luck and guessing.