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Jeremy Hill, RB (LVR) (2 Viewers)

yeah the 65-35 split is another beat writer's pov. I am willing to admit I don't know what will happen. A beat writer has to say something to keep his job each day or they will bring in another guy. Nobody know's how close Gio is to 100% outside the team, and that will dicate how many carries he gets more than the talent level of Hill.

 
Whats anyones thoughts on Hill's prospects in the next 1-3 years?

I dont think Gio is going away anytime soon and thus cant expect Hill to get, say, anymore than 60-65% of the touches (with Gio healthy).

Going into next year (again with a healthy Gio on roster), would you consider Hill a low-end RB2, high-end RB3 type? Better, worse?

Thanks.

 
abohnhoff said:
Whats anyones thoughts on Hill's prospects in the next 1-3 years?

I dont think Gio is going away anytime soon and thus cant expect Hill to get, say, anymore than 60-65% of the touches (with Gio healthy).

Going into next year (again with a healthy Gio on roster), would you consider Hill a low-end RB2, high-end RB3 type? Better, worse?

Thanks.
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I don't see why it'd be any different from the 2013 Bengals with Gio & Law Firm. Mostly equal splits, the bruiser slightly favored at the goal line, both productive in good matchups but neither dominant without breaking a long one.

 
abohnhoff said:
Whats anyones thoughts on Hill's prospects in the next 1-3 years?

I dont think Gio is going away anytime soon and thus cant expect Hill to get, say, anymore than 60-65% of the touches (with Gio healthy).

Going into next year (again with a healthy Gio on roster), would you consider Hill a low-end RB2, high-end RB3 type? Better, worse?

Thanks.
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I don't own him in any dynasty leagues but if he doesn't put up a great game this weekend I am buying (price is too high right now).

Gio will be around but I've watched him a lot this year after picking him in a dynasty start-up and I am not impressed. He has not relished in the lead back role at all. Even in the areas he's supposed to be strongest, receiving and big plays, he hasn't separated himself from Hill. Gio is averaging 8.1ypr while Hill averages 9.9y. Gio's big plays include an 89 yard run, a 46 yard catch, and a 32 yard catch on 131 touches while Hill has a 62 yard run, a 60 yard run, and a 38 yard catch on 129 touches.

That's not even accounting for the way that Gio has looked absolutely dreadful running the ball behind the same line that Hill has excelled. At some point I think they have to realize that they're better off taking a lot of those carries away from Gio and trying to get him more involved in the passing game, where he's actually been pretty quiet for a while now.

BJGE got 220 carries last year and I think Hill deserves an even bigger share of the pie than he got, going forward.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
abohnhoff said:
Whats anyones thoughts on Hill's prospects in the next 1-3 years?

I dont think Gio is going away anytime soon and thus cant expect Hill to get, say, anymore than 60-65% of the touches (with Gio healthy).

Going into next year (again with a healthy Gio on roster), would you consider Hill a low-end RB2, high-end RB3 type? Better, worse?

Thanks.
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I don't own him in any dynasty leagues but if he doesn't put up a great game this weekend I am buying (price is too high right now).

Gio will be around but I've watched him a lot this year after picking him in a dynasty start-up and I am not impressed. He has not relished in the lead back role at all. Even in the areas he's supposed to be strongest, receiving and big plays, he hasn't separated himself from Hill. Gio is averaging 8.1ypr while Hill averages 9.9y. Gio's big plays include an 89 yard run, a 46 yard catch, and a 32 yard catch on 131 touches while Hill has a 62 yard run, a 60 yard run, and a 38 yard catch on 129 touches.

That's not even accounting for the way that Gio has looked absolutely dreadful running the ball behind the same line that Hill has excelled. At some point I think they have to realize that they're better off taking a lot of those carries away from Gio and trying to get him more involved in the passing game, where he's actually been pretty quiet for a while now.

BJGE got 220 carries last year and I think Hill deserves an even bigger share of the pie than he got, going forward.
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Agreed. Hill is a very, very good player. I think he's better than Lacy. He's got more competition for carries than Lacy does though. Usage will likely dictate annually whether he's a RB2 or RB1.

 
Sabertooth said:
Predicting the split is a futile effort. The coaches might have an intention but as Mike Tyson pointed out so eloquently "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." It's going to be what its going to be. Call it 50/50 but with only about 10% confidence in it actually being that. We don't know. Nobody does. No you, me, Hue Jackson, Gio Bernard, Jeremy Hill, Jonah Hill, or anyone else.

Just accept that Hill might get all, none, or some of the carries.
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We all know what his ceiling can be, the key question is: What is his floor, considering the circumstances?
 
dickey moe said:
Sabertooth said:
Predicting the split is a futile effort. The coaches might have an intention but as Mike Tyson pointed out so eloquently "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." It's going to be what its going to be. Call it 50/50 but with only about 10% confidence in it actually being that. We don't know. Nobody does. No you, me, Hue Jackson, Gio Bernard, Jeremy Hill, Jonah Hill, or anyone else.

Just accept that Hill might get all, none, or some of the carries.
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We all know what his ceiling can be, the key question is: What is his floor, considering the circumstances?
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Could envision a number of scenarios where his stat line is something like 8/30.

-Dalton implodes again.

-Hue Jackson goes back to Gio as the primary carrier.

-Houston could jump out to an early commanding lead, and game flow turns against running the ball.

 
Kitrick Taylor said:
dickey moe said:
Sabertooth said:
Predicting the split is a futile effort. The coaches might have an intention but as Mike Tyson pointed out so eloquently "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." It's going to be what its going to be. Call it 50/50 but with only about 10% confidence in it actually being that. We don't know. Nobody does. No you, me, Hue Jackson, Gio Bernard, Jeremy Hill, Jonah Hill, or anyone else.

Just accept that Hill might get all, none, or some of the carries.
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We all know what his ceiling can be, the key question is: What is his floor, considering the circumstances?
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Could envision a number of scenarios where his stat line is something like 8/30.

-Dalton implodes again.

-Hue Jackson goes back to Gio as the primary carrier.

-Houston could jump out to an early commanding lead, and game flow turns against running the ball.
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Sure, lots of things could happen. I see all of those as relatively small probability events.

 
(Rotoworld) Giovani Bernard is listed as the Bengals' starting running back for Week 12 against the Texans. Analysis: This was expected. Bernard gets veteran deference despite being outplayed by Jeremy Hill all season. Despite Gio getting the technical "start," beat writers anticipate Hill handling more work against Houston. The Bengals' Week 12 inactives are WR Dane Sanzenbacher, RB Rex Burkhead, CB Chris Lewis-Harris, LB Vontaze Burfict, OT Tanner Hawkinson, WR Greg Little, DE Margus Hunt.

 
He's in my lineup over Ellington. I went with better performance/questionable usage over definite usage/questionable performance.

Godspeed, Jeremy.

 
Playing Tampa next week, I think that you can definitely start both.

But having said that, it's pretty clear that Hill is the superior between-the-tackles option. I respect Hue and Marvin's loyalty to the veteran Bernard, but that offense moves better with Hill as the primary runner. With the exception of the Carolina game, Gio's been rather pedestrian, particularly in standard scoring.

 
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Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:
I'm playing him over Crowell. I think Gio could get a few more touches but Hill will still get his.
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Me too. He's in over Crowell.
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Same, and I'm also starting Gio. Don't necessarily like starting 2 RBs from same team, but also not automatically opposed to it either.

 
cubbie5150 said:
Sabertooth said:
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:
I'm playing him over Crowell. I think Gio could get a few more touches but Hill will still get his.
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Me too. He's in over Crowell.
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Same, and I'm also starting Gio. Don't necessarily like starting 2 RBs from same team, but also not automatically opposed to it either.
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Was thinking of starting both also, but probably gonna roll with "Boom" at the other RB spot.

 
As many of us expected, the time share is a fantasy downer for owners of each RB.

Without a TD, both guys will have mediocre games.

 
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Hill probably helped a lot of teams with big games while gio was out, but yesterday's stinker could have derailed your team. Do you start him in a playoff game after a crappy game like this? Or do you bench him for almost any reasonable option?

 
Jeremy Hill managed 40 yards on 13 carries and caught 4-of-4 targets for 12 yards in Cincinnati's Week 13 win over the Bucs.
Hill started this game over Gio Bernard and out-touched him 17-11, though Bernard was more effective on the ground, averaging 4.9 yards per carry to Hill's 3.1. Still, it appears the Bengals are slowly transitioning toward Hill taking over as their lead back, with Bernard operating as more of a rotational partner. View Hill as an RB2 when Cincinnati faces Pittsburgh in Week 14. Nov
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bostonfred said:
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Hill probably helped a lot of teams with big games while gio was out, but yesterday's stinker could have derailed your team. Do you start him in a playoff game after a crappy game like this? Or do you bench him for almost any reasonable option?
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I think you find a better option, if possible. I own Gio AND Hill, and both are basically worthless except as a flex. Good luck guessing who scores the TD in any given week. This is de-volving into a situation similar to the Patriots RBs-----strictly guesswork.

 
bostonfred said:
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Hill probably helped a lot of teams with big games while gio was out, but yesterday's stinker could have derailed your team. Do you start him in a playoff game after a crappy game like this? Or do you bench him for almost any reasonable option?
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I got lucky and didn't have to worry about it this week (clinched my division and seed wouldn't change). I am not sure I will start him moving forward. I have Vereen and Ingram, so RBs aren't my strength anyway, but with Gio back, I think Hill is the worst of my 3 options and is only startable against the worst run Ds.

 
I have Hill/Gio as my RB2 but I think I'm going with J. Bell here on out. If I had to choose, I would take Hill considering he's the redzone/goal line back and he out touched Gio 17/11 this week.

 
Yeah, if they continue to utilize them as they did yesterday, Hill is the play. Hell, he was even the 3rd down back and that is where Gio is supposed to be superior.

 
Dalton really does screw with their value. Since they are rotating series, if Dalton is terrible on every-other drive, one of them is completely worthless.

 
Well 1 thing is certain, Gio takes Hill from legit RB1 to low-end RB2. I love Hill but getting ~ 15 touches/game will cap his upside bigtime. He's a prototypical volume back IMO.

 
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As a Bengals fan who follows them closely I find that some people are taking this Hill over Gio thing a little too far... Evan Silva seems to be getting more and more agitated over them not using Hill more. In his matchups column this past week he wrote:

"Hill is outplaying Bernard in every facet of football, but is still only an RB2 because of the Bengals' insistence on using Gio. Hill does offer RB1 upside against a mediocre Bucs run defense that's yielded 305 yards and three TDs on 74 carries (4.11 YPC) to Falcons, Redskins, and Bears running backs the past three weeks. Hill is currently the No. 13 overall running back in non-PPR leagues, and No. 16 overall in PPR"

Yes, Hill is generally a more effective in between the tackle runner than Gio. He hits the hole faster and with more power. He breaks arm tackles. But he's nowhere as elusive or as good in the open field as Gio is. On the other side Gio needs the OL to block for him in order to succeed. Joe Goodberry had a great breakdown on this on Twitter the other day. "

"The OL struggles to sustain blocks and Gio usually sets his blocks up and Hill usually hits it 100 mph. Hill often gets stopped when he doesn't see the hole or tries creating his own too. Gio just thrives off of the creation runs. Gio is more likely to stutter step and get a LB out of the hole rather than try running through him. Not wrong, just doesn't fit the OL because they're built for power and not zone. When Gio can hide behind OL and press the hole, he can manipulate LBs and he can stay untouched. Needs help from OL to do so."

It's not that Hill is such a drastically better RB than Gio, they're just different. As for their production I think it is crucial to put their production in context. For much of this season Gio has been getting the carries that BJGE usually had; early downs to start the drive, third and short, goalline carries. The type of carries where they can only use an RB they absolutely trust to not make a mistake or fumble the ball. But these are obvious run situations where it's difficult to get plus yards per carry, and it's not really Gio's game. He is much better suited in open situations around midfield or in enemy territory where they can get him in space or where it's open enough where he can use his creativity. As Hill starts to get more of the BJGE carries I'm pretty sure his efficiency as measured by yards per carry will go down. Can both of them be good fantasy assets? I would only really want Gio in PPR and I wouldn't rely on either of them as my RB1 unless I've built my team around other positions, but yes I could see them both as productive as long as the CIN offense is moving well offensively but I think that is a question mark with the fluctuations in performance from Dalton. And they would also need to keep building that o-line. RT has been weak all season and Newhouse is certainly not the answer. They moved Boling out to RT towards the end of the TBB game, using Pollak at LG. For their run game that should be a big plus if they stick to it.

 
Louche said:
As a Bengals fan who follows them closely I find that some people are taking this Hill over Gio thing a little too far... Evan Silva seems to be getting more and more agitated over them not using Hill more. In his matchups column this past week he wrote:

"Hill is outplaying Bernard in every facet of football, but is still only an RB2 because of the Bengals' insistence on using Gio. Hill does offer RB1 upside against a mediocre Bucs run defense that's yielded 305 yards and three TDs on 74 carries (4.11 YPC) to Falcons, Redskins, and Bears running backs the past three weeks. Hill is currently the No. 13 overall running back in non-PPR leagues, and No. 16 overall in PPR"

Yes, Hill is generally a more effective in between the tackle runner than Gio. He hits the hole faster and with more power. He breaks arm tackles. But he's nowhere as elusive or as good in the open field as Gio is. On the other side Gio needs the OL to block for him in order to succeed. Joe Goodberry had a great breakdown on this on Twitter the other day. "

"The OL struggles to sustain blocks and Gio usually sets his blocks up and Hill usually hits it 100 mph. Hill often gets stopped when he doesn't see the hole or tries creating his own too. Gio just thrives off of the creation runs. Gio is more likely to stutter step and get a LB out of the hole rather than try running through him. Not wrong, just doesn't fit the OL because they're built for power and not zone. When Gio can hide behind OL and press the hole, he can manipulate LBs and he can stay untouched. Needs help from OL to do so."

It's not that Hill is such a drastically better RB than Gio, they're just different. As for their production I think it is crucial to put their production in context. For much of this season Gio has been getting the carries that BJGE usually had; early downs to start the drive, third and short, goalline carries. The type of carries where they can only use an RB they absolutely trust to not make a mistake or fumble the ball. But these are obvious run situations where it's difficult to get plus yards per carry, and it's not really Gio's game. He is much better suited in open situations around midfield or in enemy territory where they can get him in space or where it's open enough where he can use his creativity. As Hill starts to get more of the BJGE carries I'm pretty sure his efficiency as measured by yards per carry will go down. Can both of them be good fantasy assets? I would only really want Gio in PPR and I wouldn't rely on either of them as my RB1 unless I've built my team around other positions, but yes I could see them both as productive as long as the CIN offense is moving well offensively but I think that is a question mark with the fluctuations in performance from Dalton. And they would also need to keep building that o-line. RT has been weak all season and Newhouse is certainly not the answer. They moved Boling out to RT towards the end of the TBB game, using Pollak at LG. For their run game that should be a big plus if they stick to it.
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Weird I see the exact opposite when watching the two. I see Hill with the patience in setting up blocks and Gio as the guy running 100 mph into the line.

 
bostonfred said:
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Hill probably helped a lot of teams with big games while gio was out, but yesterday's stinker could have derailed your team. Do you start him in a playoff game after a crappy game like this? Or do you bench him for almost any reasonable option?
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"He probably helped a lot of teams for several weeks, but one stinker could have derailed your team", lol.

This week obviously wasn't good for fantasy, but I'll point out that in ppr, it was still better than guys like Gio, Denard, Crowell, Gore, Vereen, Blount, Richardson, etc. He was within 3 points of Forte, Morris, Mathews, Lynch, FJax, etc. Hardly a season killer.

The "game plan" is the same as it ever was- while Gio is playing, he's a low end ~RB 2. Whether you should start him depends on your other options and league settings, but he certainly isn't automatic.

 
qimqam said:
humpback said:
Looks like Hill is running his mouth a bit again:

http://espn.go.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/13840/bengals-jeremy-hill-hue-jackson-break-tackles-running-back-message

ETA- seems a bit of an overreaction by Hue to me, but still something to monitor.
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I'm concerned that Cincy may make an example out of him and have him ride the pine while they ride Gio.

Might start Blount over him
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Starting to wonder if Blount is a better start than both of them. Hate benching either in the first round of the playoffs since they got me here, but I have little faith in this situation.

 
Squintz82 said:
qimqam said:
humpback said:
Looks like Hill is running his mouth a bit again:

http://espn.go.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/13840/bengals-jeremy-hill-hue-jackson-break-tackles-running-back-message

ETA- seems a bit of an overreaction by Hue to me, but still something to monitor.
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I'm concerned that Cincy may make an example out of him and have him ride the pine while they ride Gio.Might start Blount over him
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Starting to wonder if Blount is a better start than both of them. Hate benching either in the first round of the playoffs since they got me here, but I have little faith in this situation.
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Hard to trust New England any better.

 
I'm tempted to take my chances playing both against Pittsburgh. I like the fact Hue is barking a little bit. Maybe a little chippiness is just what they need to get on track at home against a defense that has seen better days

 
Houston turmOiler said:
I'm tempted to take my chances playing both against Pittsburgh. I like the fact Hue is barking a little bit. Maybe a little chippiness is just what they need to get on track at home against a defense that has seen better days
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I tried that week 13, got lucky as hell as I still won. Barely. I'm avoiding this mess. Also, sounds like Pitt is getting LB Shazier back, as well as another LB (name escapes me). I can see Lev Bell chewing up yds and keeping Pitt offense on the field; Dalton will then just start throwing, badly, I presume. And Hugh continues to NOT do things like call screen passes, or otherwise use the RBs in the passing game. I'm so bummed.

 
Have both---can't start either. They had a cake matchup at TB last week, and we all know how that worked out. Going with the Crow, Charles, and Herron.

 
cubbie5150 said:
Houston turmOiler said:
I'm tempted to take my chances playing both against Pittsburgh. I like the fact Hue is barking a little bit. Maybe a little chippiness is just what they need to get on track at home against a defense that has seen better days
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I tried that week 13, got lucky as hell as I still won. Barely. I'm avoiding this mess. Also, sounds like Pitt is getting LB Shazier back, as well as another LB (name escapes me). I can see Lev Bell chewing up yds and keeping Pitt offense on the field; Dalton will then just start throwing, badly, I presume. And Hugh continues to NOT do things like call screen passes, or otherwise use the RBs in the passing game. I'm so bummed.
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Hill had 4 catches last week, and Gio had 1. Steelers also just lost Keisel, fwiw.

 
been rolling with hill for the past few weeks but considering starting blount over him in week 14 round 1. what to do??

 
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