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why would Gio be better in a PPR? they seem to catch the same amount of passes. it seems to be some weird idea floating around that Gio is a better receiving back than Hill, I guess because he is smaller? Hill looks much more powerful to me, but I agree some of the Silva stuff goes overboard. Bernard is a good back, and while I think Hill should certainly lead the backfield (as he has gotten plenty of the BJGE carries as well and wound up with 150+ yards in those games) they shouldn't wear Hill down
I can see why you would interpret it that way, but what I meant was rather that I wouldn't want Gio in non-PPR. All is relative of course, so what I'm saying is that I wouldn't want Gio in non-PPR at his current price. If I got him at a good price I would want him in any league.
This whole exercise was biased in nature form the start and designed to support a very silly premise in the first place - that Hill was "roster poison" in a dynasty league. In this day and age most RBs are going to have a few "stinkers" now and then. Hill has been very productive as a rookie and the writing is already on the wall that his role, even with Gio healthy, is growing. I'm not sure why we are even keeping this up.
They rotated series pretty evenly. Not every series will last the same amount of plays.
Dalton has been very sporadic this year. Either hot or cold. When he plays well, they will benefit. When he plays like poo, they will suffer. Both can be effective fantasy contributors if Dalton is playing at least decently and drives are sustained. That seems to be a real gamble right now, though.
Well said. I would love for them to trade Gio this year and go with Hill. Maybe they will see an opportunity to move up in the draft and dangle Gio.
Sorry, but you're just allowing your fantasy desires to crowd out your real-world judgment. Fantasy owners love to have every-down workhorses like DeMarco or Bell, but the fungibility of RBs is increasingly causing NFL teams to rely on committees. Spread the risk, keep guys fresh, etc. From the Bengals' perspective, the fact that they have two talented RBs with different strengths is a good thing. I'd expect to see a lot more situations like CIN and NE, and fewer like DAL and PIT, in the coming years.
Anyone think Gio slowly starts to take back his role prior to the injury? If a near 50/50 split is limiting Gio's touches, it feels like the load may swing back into his favor soon. (please keep the favoritism out of the discussion).
I own Gio without Hill in dynasty so I like to hear that there. But I also own Gio and Hill in the playoffs in a redraft league and now I'm not sure what to do. I was going to go with Hill this week before the coach badmouthed him to the media and now saying that Gio will get more touches. I barely sneaked into the playoffs in this league so I'm a long shot anyways. I think I have to go with my 1st round pick.
Sort of in the same situation. Felt comfortable riding hill the last few weeks (even with Gio back). But in the back of my mind, I worried about continuing this and having Gio return to his pre-injury workload. Might have to start Gio in 0.5 PPR in the first round of the playoffs since he was my early pick.
Please don't tell me you believe coach speak? If a coach said it, I'd go with the polar opposite of what they said.
I understand taking coach speak with a grain of salt, but it's pretty clear that he is not happy with Hill.
I think they're clearly not happy with Hill shooting his mouth off after games. But I doubt that alone factors into usage.
If you're not interested in participating, that's fine, but how can this exercise be biased? All I'm doing is asking people when they start him and when they don't. The only way it could be biased is if people lie, which is why I ask before the games instead of afterwards. The only time I stopped was when Gio was hurt. This is a legitimate exercise where it should be impossible for me to have known the results before hand.
Yep, this situation blows. I own both, and almost feel like I have two dead roster spots. It's not at all comforting feeling this way headed into the fantasy playoffs. I was hoping Crowell would takeover in Cleveland so I could just flip a coin between Gio/Hill going forward, but w/ him having a gimpy hip, playing both Gio/Hill is again back on the table, and with that comes exposure to Bad Andy (like in the Tampa game). FML. Have no clue what I'm gonna do week 14.
Well, I am very concerned about Hue's public rip job on Hill after Hill's stupid comments after the last game. Don't know if the Bengals will punish him or not...could be the opposite. Maybe Hill comes out and plays like a man possessed as he tries to run through tackles. But we won't know the answer until we see the game. Because I think the most likely scenario is that Hill gets punished at least somewhat, I am downgrading Hill for the week and he will sit for me behind Leveon, Crowell, and Tre.
crowell is in over Hill for me.
Me too and it wasn't close. Hip injury doesn't seem too serious. He's consolidated his hold on the starting job, whereas Hill's role has been muddied.
I don't know where to start. First of all, why would you pro rate his 12 game stats when there's a huge difference between the games where go played and the games where he didn't?
This stance has gotten beyond ridiculous. I'm not sure how anyone could seriously still be trying to claim "victory". Sometimes it's ok to admit that you're wrong.
I know you're a smart guy, so how are you defining "upside" here, because based on the standard definition Hill has proven to be anything but "low upside?"
And this started out as a dynasty discussion. People have popped in and have strictly been looking at him from a redraft perspective, and sure this week there may very well be some better options since Hill stupidly called out his coaching staff and is playing against a good run defense this week, but Hill has clearly not been "roster poison" in redraft and is certainly not in a dynasty league where most good teams are likely not starting many rookies. You yourself said that you'd rather have Feeman since you know he's unstartable. Let's brush aside what a silly thing that is to say, and assuming that it is a valid position to take, by that standard couldn't you just not start Hill as well and see what happens with both RBs going forward?
Hill's stats
Gabriel Byrne did that to John Polito in Miller's Crossing. How can it not come off as biased and appear that you are deeply invested in "being right" when you went on record in the thread with feverish intensity saying you were going to pound the table so not one person drafted Hill? So congrats, you are one out of 6-7 billion that profess to actually base your decision on such an extraneous, peripheral factor.
I think it's a bit premature to make the call that Hill is in the doghouse. I see Hue and Lewis as pretty tolerant guys so I think they will put the best guys out there in what is a crucial game for their playoff chances. However, I think there is a level of trust in Gio that makes them see their RBs in a different light than what most fantasy players and experts do. And I think it might be a mistake to read too much into their usage these last few weeks since Gio came back from his injury. There's been some chatter that they've been easing Gio back in, in order to keep him healthy. I think Gio is their lead RB but if gameflow, defensive scheme or situation calls for it they will lean on Hill.
It probably feels that way because you're entrenched on the opposite side. But I was the first one in here saying he looked good in relief of gio, I immediately pointed out that he could get a huge workload and was the first to cite the preseason game where they ran him more than anyone thought was wise to get him used to an nfl workload, and I have repeatedly said I think he's very talented. I don't know what you want me to say that's more objective than that when the rest if the stuff I've said about him has been dead on accurate so far. Maybe I should have called him a top ten FF rb the week he made his first nfl start against a middle of the road defense, but I still think in the long run youre better off starting known studs in that spot. The big difference, though, is that i haven't been back here saying, humpback, you're wrong. I'm not here to argue with people and tell them who's wrong and get board cred. I haven't gone back and quoted some if the statements you guys have made in this thread. I'm not fighting, I'm defending my point.
How was fred wrong? The situation played out exactly as he predicted.
