timschochet
Footballguy
Wonder what they're deliberating about? Is it possible he might walk because of the lack of "CSI" evidence? Is our legal system that broken? Please let this not be so.
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Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (4 Viewers)
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CrossEyed
Footballguy
Personally, I think it should be a reminder to all of us that if you suspect something or some child tells you something, or is acting like something is wrong, take the time to do all you can do to find out the truth. The decision by a lot of people years ago to not act on suspicions, and even accusations, allowed this monster to prey on far more young boys than he should have been allowed.It's not "none of my business". It's everyone's job to protect kids from people like Jerry Sandusky. The community failed and a lot of people's lives are a whole lot more difficult as a result.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Could be that they can't reach a consensus on all 48 counts. But from what I understand, if they find him guilty of even one count he'll likely never experience freedom again.
Considering that he founded the 2nd Mile in 1977, was seen showering with boys as early as 1983, it's a good bet that the real number is probably well over 100.
identikit
Footballguy
They have 48 charges to sort through.Let them do their job.Hyperbole about our broken legal system because of the time they're taking is dumb.
Not sure, but scary. In high profile cases, juries tend to forget the "reasonable" part of reasonable doubt and instead look for one inconsistentcy in one person's story to discredit everyone. I hope that this isnt't the case, but they have asked for McQuerry's testimioney and the family member that disputed a small part of the the specifics in his testimony. It's possible that someone on the jury may be seeing "reasonable" doubt based on that.
RUSF18
Footballguy
I'm assuming there have been other molestation cases that have taken years to come to light (normal for the victims) where having physical evidence would be nearly impossible. And I would assume at least a couple have led to the defendant being found guilty.
Warrior
Footballguy
ok?
timschochet
Footballguy
I hope you're right. I don't mind being called dumb about this. But after that Casey Anthony fiasco...
CrossEyed
Footballguy
After reading all of the Casey Anthony stuff, I wasn't convinced that there was enough evidence to convict her of murder. There were a lot of strange things going on with that entire family.This case, to me, is far more open and shut than that one.Just my
Warrior
Footballguy
They had a lot more evidence, including DNA evidence, in the OJ trial.Certainly crazier/dumber things have happened in the court system than Sandusky being acquitted.I really hope they don't botch this one :(
identikit
Footballguy
It could certainly end up the way the CA trial did.I'd prefer they take all the time they need to do their job completely.The time they use doesn't make our legal system 'broken.'
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
Yeah, I'd say the exact opposite.
Warrior
Footballguy
I hope the jury puts less words in other peoples' mouths than you guys do.Re-read the quote...he says that letting Sandusky walk due to a lack of 'CSI' evidence would mean our legal system is 'broken', not the time taken by the jury.
culdeus
Footballguy
I am starting to actually come around that maybe OJ didn't do it. Or at least there was some doubt that he tried to take the rap for his kid.
identikit
Footballguy
No, he really doesn't.
B-Deep
Footballguy
here's what happens if he walksin the FFAoutrageoutrageitoughguyoutrageoutragepro-paterno postinsane outrage and paterno hatepaterno debatefishingoutragepaternopaterno sucksoutragefishingoutrage at fishingya knowcome to think of itnot much is gonna change in this threadIf Sandusky walks, is it ok to riot?
timschochet
Footballguy
That's what I meant though. Posting by iPhone so it's hard to be clear sometimes
Warrior
Footballguy
No, I'm sure there will be FBG's ready to defend him. After all, he may just be covering for a family member who committed the real crimes.If Sandusky walks, is it ok to riot?
identikit
Footballguy
Fair enough.Just don't care for second-guessing juries when they're trying to do their job.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
I wonder if he felt guilty for not stopping Victim 4 from being abused?
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
And his wife? Either an accomplice or the dumbest/most ignorant broad ever.
I don't know how he walks, based on the limited information I have heard.
But, I am probably in the minority in thinking is/was criminally insane. I think all child molesters are clearly incapable of either determining right from wrong, or from refraining from acting on those impulses. I believe there is something not connecting in the brain. I don't mean to suggest, at all, that child molesters should be running free, simply because they lack the ability to chose right from wrong - but I don't think most child molesters are inherently "evil" or deserving of the death penalty (from the state or other means). I just think they need treatment more than punishment - because I don't believe punishment is a deterrent here. And, I would be fine if that meant treatment for 20+ years in an institution under lock and key.
But, I am probably in the minority in thinking is/was criminally insane. I think all child molesters are clearly incapable of either determining right from wrong, or from refraining from acting on those impulses. I believe there is something not connecting in the brain. I don't mean to suggest, at all, that child molesters should be running free, simply because they lack the ability to chose right from wrong - but I don't think most child molesters are inherently "evil" or deserving of the death penalty (from the state or other means). I just think they need treatment more than punishment - because I don't believe punishment is a deterrent here. And, I would be fine if that meant treatment for 20+ years in an institution under lock and key.
Jeremy
Footballguy
I don't even want to think about what would happen if he walks. It would be ugly to say the least. But there's no way they could screw this up...right?If Sandusky walks, is it ok to riot?
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
Well, I agree with you to the extent that I think the impulse to diddle kids is something that needs to somehow get destigmatized so that people will get treatment and try to take precautions or whatever. Just having that impulse doesn't make you evil, and I think we need to recognize that for whatever reason some people have it. It must be terrible for them, and I'm open to any ideas where we can try to humanely help potential child molesters in any way we can before they start molesting.But I think that moment has passed for Sandusky. He did some really horrible things. We can't go back now and undo them.
Chest Rockwell
Footballguy
Anyone expecting prison justice for Jerry Sandusky is going to be disappointed. Protection is always for sale in the can and Sando has plenty of jack. Plus, he's minimum security/PC all the way. With or without a conviction, he'll die of natural causes.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Here's a good sig if anyone wants one. These things take time, Tim. There are a lot of charges. They have to go through each one, methodically, and make sure that every element of said crime has been fulfilled. They have to weigh the defense's argument. I'd be surprised if they found him not guilty on a few of them, probably.Actual justice takes a bit more time than Message Board Justice.
Chaka
Footballguy
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Mario Kart
Footballguy
Was there ever a request to have the trial moved to a different location?
NCCommish
Footballguy
I was surprised the prosecutors didn't go for a different venue.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
It's hard to blame jurors for wanting to take more than a couple hours to deliberate and review testimony before they send a guy to prison for the rest of his life, especially when you consider the living hell that prison will be for a guy like Sandusky.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
The limited amount of knowledge I have in Psychology suggests that most adults who molest children tend to have been abused or molested themselves. I'm sure if there were magical cameras that could replay Sandusky's childhood that very likely we could see a person who was in the same position that he put these children in.
Completely inexcusable and I am rooting for him to be convicted but the cycle of abuse in these situations is pretty astonishing when you trace it back to the first domino that fell.
Completely inexcusable and I am rooting for him to be convicted but the cycle of abuse in these situations is pretty astonishing when you trace it back to the first domino that fell.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
What's your basis for that? And all it took, iirc, was a little "mistake" for Dahmer to end up where others could get to him. Got plunged to death with a broomstick.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I am sure that is true for many pedophiles but we also can't discount the possibility that he could be a sick pervert of his own making.
Warrior
Footballguy
So you're saying we're likely looking at about 100+ additional Sanduskys in 40-50 years?
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Not only that, but the verdict forms for that many charges are going to take awhile to complete.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I hear you Warrior but there are likely many victims who did not come forward, some very likely could be active pedophiles themselves. I'm not trying to act like I know something others don't, and again I want to make it clear I feel Sandusky is brutally guilty of just about all these charges and should rot in a prison cell if not worse the remainder of his awful existence in this world.
PatsFanCT
Footballguy
I don't buy into that theory at all. They use to say gay people became gay because they were molested. The bottom line is everyone is born with a sexual preference. It's just as difficult for Sandusky to stay away from boys as it is for everyone else to resist their desires. Unfortunately for him, this gets you locked up. As it should.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
at the continued deliberations. I worry there is a stater who wont vote guilty no matter what an this jury ends up hung
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
ConstruxBoy on the jury?
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Hey Boies, you realize it's 8:19 ET on Friday, right?
PatsFanCT
Footballguy
Sandusky would salivate over that.
identikit
Footballguy
Jerry Sandusky trial: Defense attorney says 'he'd die of a heart attack' if Sandusky were acquitted
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_trial_defense_a_3.html
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_trial_defense_a_3.html
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Ton of charges to go through.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
They have 48 counts to work through, guy. It doesn't happen in a matter of hours. He's going to be convicted on a bunch of stuff.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
What Penn Stater thinks sandusky should get off? Defending Joe from the pitchforks and thinking sandusky is innocent are not the same. I hope jerry dies 1000 painful deaths in prison.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Dan Wetzel on Twitter says verdict is in and Court will open at 9:50PM ET tonight.
