Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)

[Fat Nick]

I want these people to burn as much as the next guy, but just quit with the 'Pedo State' crap. It makes you look juvenile and stupid. Emphasis on stupid.

Not really a lot of room for humor in this thread...but I guess I shouldn't expect anything different given the way this place has gone in recent years.

Sadly it's become a full on schadenfreude orgy here for a handful of posters.

No kidding...

Based on your posts here, we all know where you stand. Let's not act like you have any sort of moral authority.

What I'm saying is that this has become a witch hunt. "Kill 'em all" is the basic mantra, regardless of intent or anything else. What gets me is that if you read this thread, Paterno and McQueary's names come up 10x more than Sandusky's. I get the anger over the issue, but anyone who thinks that cancelling the season or any of the other completely hair-brained ideas is going to somehow make things better is nuts. It just goes back to the fact that America loves their heros, but they love scandals that bring them down more.

 

[CrossEyed]

Give me a break. Paterno runs PSU.More "middle management" BS.

I keep reading this...over and over...posted by many people. CrossEyed, I'm not singling you out, but using your post as my example. Paterno "runs" PSU...but he doesn't RUN PSU. Like it or not, no matter how popular you are, you still work for an organization. Paterno can't sign his own paycheck. Paterno can't do whatever he pleases. Is he afforded A LOT of power? Yes. But he doesn't run PSU, likely had no legal or authoritative power to bypass the chain of command, etc. I'm not saying how he handled it was right, but saying he ran PSU is to say that HE had the power to fire Sandusky, etc. This just isn't true. He could influence firings, but HE can't fire someone who doesn't work for him.

I think everyone here has forgotten that it was SANDUSKY who allegedly did these unspeakable things. I's incredible how many people are really piling on Paterno here when he isn't even going to be charged with any wrong doing. We don't know the whole story yet folks. We don't know if all Joe did was inform Curley and then just let it go from there. As a Central PA resident and big Penn State fan it sickens and saddens me that school administration could possibly let this monster roam free but I believe in due process. If Paterno did not try to do more than this then I agree he needs to step down immediatley. The man has done more good will and helped so many students and people in the community that he at least deserves some time to let the facts be presented.

Pretty much everyone here already realizes that Sandusky is scum of the earth. That's a given.But we also know that Paterno had the opportunity to do the right thing by these kids and he chose instead to do the minimum. Joe Paterno chose CYA over protecting these kids.

 

[Joseph]

I know the focus of most of the discussion in this thread and in the news has been on the PSU coaches and administrators, but I'm a little surprised so little of the discussion is around the 1998 incident where the police (including a detective) and the district attorney was involved. These people deserve blame too. If there is going to be outrage at the PSU coaches etc for not stopping it, what about the people that are actually paid to protect and serve not doing their jobs a full 3 or 4 years earlier?

One of them was likely murdered.

There's at least a chance that the 1998 reaction wasn't totally botched. The allegation there was about a naked bearhug in a shower. The legal charge probably would have been a relatively minor charge, and Sandusky was essentially fired because of it. Without knowing what else was involved in that investigation, maybe that was all that could have been done.What's absolutely sure is that they made a horrible mistake in 2002.

 

[Parrothead]

Not a fan of Cowherd, but he did make a good point before the break.Paraphrasing, "If you stand and cheer for Paterno this weekend, you are pretty much rubbing the victims nose in it, and telling them what happened it is OK."

Yeah, the more I'm thinking about it, the more I wonder if ESPN will televise the actual game... If the stadium is full of 100k people cheering louder than normal...What do the announcers for that game do?

I will be there to support the players- not Paterno or McQueary.. The inaction of the BOT has put all PSU fans and alum in a precarious position- we wan't to support the players and show our disgust for all involved at the same time. I have a feeling that the game will be a circus, and won't be surprised to see fights everywhere in the stands.

 

[E-Z Glider]

Not a fan of Cowherd, but he did make a good point before the break.

Paraphrasing, "If you stand and cheer for Paterno this weekend, you are pretty much rubbing the victims nose in it, and telling them what happened it is OK."

Yeah, the more I'm thinking about it, the more I wonder if ESPN will televise the actual game... If the stadium is full of 100k people cheering louder than normal...What do the announcers for that game do?

This isnt going to be the case. Sure, there will be a small percentage of fans who will give their unconditional support. There will also be a small percentage of fans who will be there to protest. The majority of fans are normal human beings and are disgusted and disappointed by this whole thing and realize that its much bigger than football and not a time to celebrate.

 

[CentralPA]

Give me a break. Paterno runs PSU.

More "middle management" BS.

I keep reading this...over and over...posted by many people. CrossEyed, I'm not singling you out, but using your post as my example. Paterno "runs" PSU...but he doesn't RUN PSU. Like it or not, no matter how popular you are, you still work for an organization. Paterno can't sign his own paycheck. Paterno can't do whatever he pleases. Is he afforded A LOT of power? Yes. But he doesn't run PSU, likely had no legal or authoritative power to bypass the chain of command, etc.

I'm not saying how he handled it was right, but saying he ran PSU is to say that HE had the power to fire Sandusky, etc. This just isn't true. He could influence firings, but HE can't fire someone who doesn't work for him.

I think everyone here has forgotten that it was SANDUSKY who allegedly did these unspeakable things. I's incredible how many people are really piling on Paterno here when he isn't even going to be charged with any wrong doing. We don't know the whole story yet folks. We don't know if all Joe did was inform Curley and then just let it go from there. As a Central PA resident and big Penn State fan it sickens and saddens me that school administration could possibly let this monster roam free but I believe in due process. If Paterno did not try to do more than this then I agree he needs to step down immediatley. The man has done more good will and helped so many students and people in the community that he at least deserves some time to let the facts be presented.

and yet stood aside while who knows how many children were harmed on PSU campus. This past week has shown the only thing he's really concerned about is his legacy

Yes, because you know 100% sure that's exactly what did happen. But it doesn't matter. Just a truly dark dark day for Penn State. I hope those kids find justice.

 

[belljr]

Not to sidetrack because either way it's heinous act but is it confirmed "sex" or is that what McQueary thought he saw. I keep reading it was "just a shower" OR that it was rape. Neither are good, I just want to make sure I have my facts straight.

Read Victim 2 in the grand jury report.

Wow. i didn't know you could read the actual report. I just changed my mind

 

[johnnycakes]

JoePa to announce retirement later Wednesday. He'll finish the season.

 

[JZilla]

It's not schadenfreude, it's outrage. YOUR BOY WAS HARBORING A KNOWN SERIAL CHILD RAPIST. This is not even speculation at this point. This is a known fact.You Penn Staters better get with the program on this . It is going to get worse and worse.

I think everyone here has forgotten that it was SANDUSKY who allegedly did these unspeakable things.

Gee, no ####. Sandusky's already busted. Meanwhile his protector JoePa continues to be loved, admired and PAID HANDSOMELY at Happy Valley.

 

[Sammy3469]

Joe Pa statement

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.

I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.

That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.

This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.

My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.

Link

 

[Fat Nick]

Not a fan of Cowherd, but he did make a good point before the break.

Paraphrasing, "If you stand and cheer for Paterno this weekend, you are pretty much rubbing the victims nose in it, and telling them what happened it is OK."

Yeah, the more I'm thinking about it, the more I wonder if ESPN will televise the actual game... If the stadium is full of 100k people cheering louder than normal...What do the announcers for that game do?

This isnt going to be the case. Sure, there will be a small percentage of fans who will give their unconditional support. There will also be a small percentage of fans who will be there to protest. The majority of fans are normal human beings and are disgusted and disappointed by this whole thing and realize that its much bigger than football and not a time to celebrate.

Honestly, I agree with much of what you said...but I think the fans will be there for the players and will be into the game. This will be on their minds, but I think that the people who are there and AREN'T there to protest realize that this scandal affects a lot of things, but that you can't mourn 24/7 over it. I think you see a solid PSU crowd there to root on the Nittany Lion Football Team...not necessarily Paterno, McQueary, or the PSU administration, but they're not the 11 guys on the field on Saturday.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I don't post much in FFA but wanted to comment on this situation. I have followed this story very closely. It sickens me. There is no excuse for the inaction of all of the people involved and everyone of them should be fired and try to learn to live with themselves knowing their protection of the image of Penn State allowed multiple children to be victimized in terrible ways.What makes this tragedy more difficult for me is that I grew up as friends with Mike McQueary's older brother John. I knew Mike and his dad very well. They are a loving, kind wonderful family. Mike and his dad are good and caring people and I am baffled to hear of their behavior in this situation. I guess good people can make horrible choices, and when they do they need to pay the price. I am sorry that their family has to go through this, but I am much more sorry that they chose to ignore the brutalization of a child and allowed a monster to continue to scar children for years after they should have made sure it stopped.

Post more.

 

[Joe T]

I know the focus of most of the discussion in this thread and in the news has been on the PSU coaches and administrators, but I'm a little surprised so little of the discussion is around the 1998 incident where the police (including a detective) and the district attorney was involved. These people deserve blame too. If there is going to be outrage at the PSU coaches etc for not stopping it, what about the people that are actually paid to protect and serve not doing their jobs a full 3 or 4 years earlier?

One of them was likely murdered.

There's at least a chance that the 1998 reaction wasn't totally botched. The allegation there was about a naked bearhug in a shower. The legal charge probably would have been a relatively minor charge, and Sandusky was essentially fired because of it. Without knowing what else was involved in that investigation, maybe that was all that could have been done.What's absolutely sure is that they made a horrible mistake in 2002.

Well, I guess I disagree. 1. There is never a reason for a grown man to be naked in a shower with a child much less giving him a bear hug in the shower.2. Since Sandusky was clearly a monster even in 1998, a thorough investigation by police detectives and the district attorney would have uncovered this and stopped it all then. It's not really about the charges that could have been filed, its about the investigation that obviously failed.If I'm a police investigator and I have knowledge of a grown man showering with a young boy, I don't think I stop at, "Oh well, we've got nothing to charge him with so I might as well give up."While I'm not absolutely sure there was a horrible mistake in 1998, I'm pretty sure of it. And again, I'm a little surprised it seems to be getting a pass (or less attention) in the situation.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Not a fan of Cowherd, but he did make a good point before the break.Paraphrasing, "If you stand and cheer for Paterno this weekend, you are pretty much rubbing the victims nose in it, and telling them what happened it is OK."

Yeah, the more I'm thinking about it, the more I wonder if ESPN will televise the actual game... If the stadium is full of 100k people cheering louder than normal...What do the announcers for that game do?

I will be there to support the players- not Paterno or McQueary.. The inaction of the BOT has put all PSU fans and alum in a precarious position- we wan't to support the players and show our disgust for all involved at the same time. I have a feeling that the game will be a circus, and won't be surprised to see fights everywhere in the stands.

I think you are supporting the program by saying these kids are more important than the victims.

 

[dgreen]

Joe Pa statement

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.

I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.

That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.

This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.

My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.

Link

Yeah, probably should have left the bold out.

 

[CrossEyed]

Joe Pa statement

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.

I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.

That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.

This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.

My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.

Link

How noble of you. Finish the season with dignity? Sorry Joe, that ship has sailed.

 

[Disco Stu]

It's not schadenfreude, it's outrage. YOUR BOY WAS HARBORING A KNOWN SERIAL CHILD RAPIST. This is not even speculation at this point. This is a known fact.You Penn Staters better get with the program on this . It is going to get worse and worse.

I think everyone here has forgotten that it was SANDUSKY who allegedly did these unspeakable things.

Gee, no ####. Sandusky's already busted. Meanwhile his protector JoePa continues to be loved, admired and PAID HANDSOMELY at Happy Valley.

Yeah, this shouldn't be difficult to grasp.

 

[gethugefast1]

So, what do you suppose Paterno said to Sandusky on their first meeting after this event?

Why would a guy who retired 3 years earlier be meeting with the head coach?

So your saying they never talked to each other after the alleged child rape?

The post earlier in this thread indicated they have spoken once since Sandusky retired. You have better info?

I'm not arguing, I'm just not naive.

 

[Parrothead]

Not a fan of Cowherd, but he did make a good point before the break.Paraphrasing, "If you stand and cheer for Paterno this weekend, you are pretty much rubbing the victims nose in it, and telling them what happened it is OK."

Yeah, the more I'm thinking about it, the more I wonder if ESPN will televise the actual game... If the stadium is full of 100k people cheering louder than normal...What do the announcers for that game do?

I will be there to support the players- not Paterno or McQueary.. The inaction of the BOT has put all PSU fans and alum in a precarious position- we wan't to support the players and show our disgust for all involved at the same time. I have a feeling that the game will be a circus, and won't be surprised to see fights everywhere in the stands.

I think you are supporting the program by saying these kids are more important than the victims.

you think wrong

 

[Parrothead]

Joe Pa statement

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.

I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.

That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.

This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.

My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.

Link

Yeah, probably should have left the bold out.

oof.. what a complete and utter embarassment

 

[Dragons]

Give me a break. Paterno runs PSU.More "middle management" BS.

I keep reading this...over and over...posted by many people. CrossEyed, I'm not singling you out, but using your post as my example. Paterno "runs" PSU...but he doesn't RUN PSU. Like it or not, no matter how popular you are, you still work for an organization. Paterno can't sign his own paycheck. Paterno can't do whatever he pleases. Is he afforded A LOT of power? Yes. But he doesn't run PSU, likely had no legal or authoritative power to bypass the chain of command, etc. I'm not saying how he handled it was right, but saying he ran PSU is to say that HE had the power to fire Sandusky, etc. This just isn't true. He could influence firings, but HE can't fire someone who doesn't work for him.

I think everyone here has forgotten that it was SANDUSKY who allegedly did these unspeakable things. I's incredible how many people are really piling on Paterno here when he isn't even going to be charged with any wrong doing. We don't know the whole story yet folks. We don't know if all Joe did was inform Curley and then just let it go from there. As a Central PA resident and big Penn State fan it sickens and saddens me that school administration could possibly let this monster roam free but I believe in due process. If Paterno did not try to do more than this then I agree he needs to step down immediatley. The man has done more good will and helped so many students and people in the community that he at least deserves some time to let the facts be presented.

I think you have forgotten that SANDUSKY is charged with very serious crimes. 2 members of the administration have also been charged with crimes. Paterno and the GA have not. That is why the outrage is focused on them, because they are seemingly walking away without repercussion.

 

[JZilla]

Joe Pa statement

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.

I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.

That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.

This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.

My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.

Link

And I think with this statement, and especially this line, we can conclude that the grand jury's report is accurate. No excuse for anyone to act like there's still some question about what happened here. The investigation is done. That's what the report is. And Joe is not arguing the facts of the case.HAS to go. Nothing but shame on Joe Paterno and everyone else involved in this cover-up. Weird how protecting a sexual predator can really stain your sports legacy.

 

[ArbyMelt]

I still think JoePa will be out by Saturday's game. There is no way him or McQueary are at that game.

 

[Parrothead]

Joe Pa statement

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.

I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.

That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can. This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.

My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.

Link

BOT response should be "thank you Coach Paterno for thinking of us and making our lives easier by not having to discuss your role in this matter. We're gonna have to let you go effective immediately, thank you"

 

[CrossEyed]

I still think JoePa will be out by Saturday's game. There is no way him or McQueary are at that game.

Have you been paying attention at all to how PSU has handled this situation? I'm guessing they'll both be out there.

 

[whoknew]

Yep ESPN announced he plans to retire.

IF he makes a statement something like:

"In my beliefs as a human I failed. I failed to protect innocent children. I may have thought I was doing the right thing in reporting the problem but I did not do enough as a human being to see this through. In the end I did not do enough and am partly responsible for not making sure this behavior was stopped. I know it's not fair what happened to those kids. I ask for forgiveness as a person and will step down at end of season. I owe my apologies and prayers to the victims but I also owe it to our current team and students to have them not be punished for something they had no involvement in"

not sure of the wording but something like that. Then I might be ok with it

Two things:

1) Based on the mini pep rally he participated in last night - I doubt very much he's going to give that statement.

2) If I were Paterno's lawyer, there's no way I'd let him give that statement.

I know it won't happen BUT if that came out then I would entertain giving him some small concession.Why would the lawyer care, he technically didn't break a lawy did he? AGAIN NOT DEFENDING just don't know the answer

I would care (as Paterno's lawyer) because I wouldn't want to give the civil plaintiffs even more ammunition. Basically your statement admits liability for Paterno. I wouldn't want him to do that.

 

[CentralPA]

Give me a break. Paterno runs PSU.More "middle management" BS.

I keep reading this...over and over...posted by many people. CrossEyed, I'm not singling you out, but using your post as my example. Paterno "runs" PSU...but he doesn't RUN PSU. Like it or not, no matter how popular you are, you still work for an organization. Paterno can't sign his own paycheck. Paterno can't do whatever he pleases. Is he afforded A LOT of power? Yes. But he doesn't run PSU, likely had no legal or authoritative power to bypass the chain of command, etc. I'm not saying how he handled it was right, but saying he ran PSU is to say that HE had the power to fire Sandusky, etc. This just isn't true. He could influence firings, but HE can't fire someone who doesn't work for him.

I think everyone here has forgotten that it was SANDUSKY who allegedly did these unspeakable things. I's incredible how many people are really piling on Paterno here when he isn't even going to be charged with any wrong doing. We don't know the whole story yet folks. We don't know if all Joe did was inform Curley and then just let it go from there. As a Central PA resident and big Penn State fan it sickens and saddens me that school administration could possibly let this monster roam free but I believe in due process. If Paterno did not try to do more than this then I agree he needs to step down immediatley. The man has done more good will and helped so many students and people in the community that he at least deserves some time to let the facts be presented.

I think you have forgotten that SANDUSKY is charged with very serious crimes. 2 members of the administration have also been charged with crimes. Paterno and the GA have not. That is why the outrage is focused on them, because they are seemingly walking away without repercussion.

Doubtful, they'll be repercussions for all. I just felt that everyone feels like Joe should be burned to the stake and really haven't focused that the real monster in this was Sandusky. But go ahead, he already admitted in hindsight he should have done more. From that admission he needs to go.

 

[mad sweeney]

The more I've thought about it, Mike McQueary is as big a coward as they come.

This guy witnessed Sandusky raping a 10 year old boy in the shower. OK, I get that initially there may have just been so much shock that he didn't know what to do. I'm willing to give the guy a pass on not breaking it up on the spot. But after he reported it and nothing was done, how do you just act like you never saw what you saw? How do you continue to come to work every day in that facility knowing the guy that you personally watched rape a boy not only still has an office there and "emeritus" status, but that he continues to work with these Second Mile boys and continues to bring them to practice and hold overnight camps? How do you sleep at night? How do you live with yourself? How do you not say to yourself, "This is wrong, and if nobody else is going to do anything about it, I am, consequences be damned."?

Gutless coward.

Sorry, I don't see how you can make the bolded statement and still retain any kind of moral soap box upon which to stand.

 

[Joseph]

I know the focus of most of the discussion in this thread and in the news has been on the PSU coaches and administrators, but I'm a little surprised so little of the discussion is around the 1998 incident where the police (including a detective) and the district attorney was involved. These people deserve blame too. If there is going to be outrage at the PSU coaches etc for not stopping it, what about the people that are actually paid to protect and serve not doing their jobs a full 3 or 4 years earlier?

One of them was likely murdered.

There's at least a chance that the 1998 reaction wasn't totally botched. The allegation there was about a naked bearhug in a shower. The legal charge probably would have been a relatively minor charge, and Sandusky was essentially fired because of it. Without knowing what else was involved in that investigation, maybe that was all that could have been done.What's absolutely sure is that they made a horrible mistake in 2002.

Well, I guess I disagree. 1. There is never a reason for a grown man to be naked in a shower with a child much less giving him a bear hug in the shower.2. Since Sandusky was clearly a monster even in 1998, a thorough investigation by police detectives and the district attorney would have uncovered this and stopped it all then. It's not really about the charges that could have been filed, its about the investigation that obviously failed.If I'm a police investigator and I have knowledge of a grown man showering with a young boy, I don't think I stop at, "Oh well, we've got nothing to charge him with so I might as well give up."While I'm not absolutely sure there was a horrible mistake in 1998, I'm pretty sure of it. And again, I'm a little surprised it seems to be getting a pass (or less attention) in the situation.

I'm pretty sure there was a big mistake in 1998 too, but with so many people focused on backing Paterno and PSU as a whole, the argument is a whole lot easier to make when Sandusky got swept under the rug in 2002 when they absolutely knew he was raping a child in the showers. There's some gray area in 1998. There's absolutely none in 2002. With such staunch defenders, Its a lot easier to point out that there was a horrible botch in 2002 and the problem was ignored for 7 years, than to point out the 95% likely terrible botch in 1998 and that the problem was ignored for 11 years...

 

[Parrothead]

I still think JoePa will be out by Saturday's game. There is no way him or McQueary are at that game.

it boggles my mind that they could actually still be there

 

[Don Quixote]

Joe Pa statement

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.

I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.

That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.

This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.

My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.

Link

Yeah, probably should have left the bold out.

I think just wishful thinking on his part.

 

[CrossEyed]

The more I've thought about it, Mike McQueary is as big a coward as they come.

This guy witnessed Sandusky raping a 10 year old boy in the shower. OK, I get that initially there may have just been so much shock that he didn't know what to do. I'm willing to give the guy a pass on not breaking it up on the spot. But after he reported it and nothing was done, how do you just act like you never saw what you saw? How do you continue to come to work every day in that facility knowing the guy that you personally watched rape a boy not only still has an office there and "emeritus" status, but that he continues to work with these Second Mile boys and continues to bring them to practice and hold overnight camps? How do you sleep at night? How do you live with yourself? How do you not say to yourself, "This is wrong, and if nobody else is going to do anything about it, I am, consequences be damned."?

Gutless coward.

Sorry, I don't see how you can make the bolded statement and still retain any kind of moral soap box upon which to stand.

Well, I've heard a lot of people argue that in stressful situations people can panic and not do the right thing. So for the sake of argument, I'll concede that point. I don't agree, but I'll give that one to them. Even when you take that out of the equation, McQueary is still a coward.That was my point.

 

[ArbyMelt]

I still think JoePa will be out by Saturday's game. There is no way him or McQueary are at that game.

Have you been paying attention at all to how PSU has handled this situation? I'm guessing they'll both be out there.

Yep, its been disgusting. But people are furious, and the BOT will come to their senses and will force both out by Friday. I have no idea how they don't suspend McQueary and Paterno pending investigations. Heck, there have been NCAA players that have done far less and have been suspended pending investigation. I'm all for a complete investigation, but keep those guys off the field while the investigation is being done.

 

[comfortably numb]

Aaron, I apologize in advance if this was brought up on page 9 already...

someone called into 660 in NY with Mike Francesa and was saying that in regards to Joe Pa allowing thing to happen and covering up things at PSU.

Was basically a call that said, Joe Pa hired Rene Portland in 1980, and she was an open homo phobe.

She ended up serving 27 years at Penn State, with many allegations of threatening to out players to their families.

Summary of the call was that he allowed a open homo phobe who he hired and treated people with discrimination stay at PSU for 27 years before she "resigned"

 

[Moonlight]

Joe Paterno is a weasel.

His retirement bs speech is to save himself from the shame of being fired.

So I'm supposed to believe that Paterno passed on McQueary's report to the administration report but good old JoePa didn't spend the time to find out the details just that something inappropriate was going on. Nonsense

I'm supposed to believe that good ole JoePa never discussed or followed up with the administration regarding what happened to the report, never wondered why the police never investigated the report, never wondered why he or McQueary was never interviewed by the police regarding the matter.

Good ole JoePa knew the matter was being swept under the rug and he was fine with that. He was content for Sandusky to resign. As long as kids were not being molested on campus anymore what did it matter to him.

Protect your image, protect your recruiting, protect the school but dont protect the kids. Weasel.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I still think JoePa will be out by Saturday's game. There is no way him or McQueary are at that game.

it boggles my mind that they could actually still be there

I think they should both be removed on a leave of absence as well as the President. There is no way the folks in question should be making decisions on how this is taken care of. We've seen how that worked out.With that said, I won't be at all surprised to see both Paterno and McQuery there Saturday. I'd be a lot more surprised if they weren't there.J

 

[Mad Cow]

I still think JoePa will be out by Saturday's game. There is no way him or McQueary are at that game.

it boggles my mind that they could actually still be there

And the AP is reporting he will retire AFTER the season. What a joke. If this is the decision of the university, they all deserve everything they get the rest of the season in every stadium they visit.

 

[CrossEyed]

I still think JoePa will be out by Saturday's game. There is no way him or McQueary are at that game.

it boggles my mind that they could actually still be there

And the AP is reporting he will retire AFTER the season. What a joke. If this is the decision of the university, they all deserve everything they get the rest of the season in every stadium they visit.

That was a Paterno decision, not a PSU decision.Apparently nobody in the PSU administration is capable of making any decisions.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I still think JoePa will be out by Saturday's game. There is no way him or McQueary are at that game.

Have you been paying attention at all to how PSU has handled this situation? I'm guessing they'll both be out there.

I agree. Based on what has happened to date, I expect Paterno and McQueary to be with the team until the end of the year.I think the next chance to send a message to Penn State will be if the bowls decide not to invite the program and the controversy that surrounds the program. I don't really expect that to happen either - but if sponsors speak up, then maybe.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I don't really know how this works with colleges as it relates to the bigger "league" of the NCAA. But isn't this something where the NCAA steps in and does something? How would that work?

J

 

[Joe Summer]

I know the focus of most of the discussion in this thread and in the news has been on the PSU coaches and administrators, but I'm a little surprised so little of the discussion is around the 1998 incident where the police (including a detective) and the district attorney was involved. These people deserve blame too. If there is going to be outrage at the PSU coaches etc for not stopping it, what about the people that are actually paid to protect and serve not doing their jobs a full 3 or 4 years earlier?

Maybe the police did everything they could possibly do, but they were stonewalled by PSU?

 

[dgreen]

I don't really know how this works with colleges as it relates to the bigger "league" of the NCAA. But isn't this something where the NCAA steps in and does something? How would that work?J

Anyone remember what went down with Len Bias? How was that all handled? It's the closest thing I can think of off the top of my head and yet it still doesn't come close to this.

 

[Parrothead]

OK- Paterno coaching his last home game on Saturday. This brings up a whole new can of worms-

How does the PSU PR department handle this? This was SUPPOSED to be a huge moment in PSU history- the passing of a 'legend'.. do they acknowledge him? Have a video tribute? A farewell tribute?

There was talk of his 'farewell tour' to be honored at away stadiums as well.. THAT certainly won't happen.

How the hell are they going to handle this?*

*yes, I know compared to the real issues at hand, this is unimportant, but I am truly curious as to how this will be handled.

 

[dgreen]

Apparently nobody in the PSU administration is capable of making any decisions.

Explain this BOT thing to me. Why are they waiting until Friday to meet? Other than the "They're trying to cover their own ### first" theories, are there any other theories why they haven't held an emergency meeting to discuss this?

 

[koby925]

I don't really know how this works with colleges as it relates to the bigger "league" of the NCAA. But isn't this something where the NCAA steps in and does something? How would that work?J

Good question and I'm not sure. This is bigger than the NCAA and any sanctions it may impose, it's criminal. Yet, oddly, it may not rise to the level of something the NCAA governs. There was no competitive advantage at stake here and there was no duty to report to the NCAA. If the NCAA had rules and regs in place similar to what Goddell has in the NFL then I think they'd impose sanctions. Outside of that, I don't think they have authority. I do think PSU should put a self-imposed sanction on the program to clean it out. IMO, it's the only way the program survives.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I still think JoePa will be out by Saturday's game. There is no way him or McQueary are at that game.

it boggles my mind that they could actually still be there

I think they should both be removed on a leave of absence as well as the President. There is no way the folks in question should be making decisions on how this is taken care of. We've seen how that worked out.With that said, I won't be at all surprised to see both Paterno and McQuery there Saturday. I'd be a lot more surprised if they weren't there.J

I agree. Everything about PSU's reaction indicates they think that if they don't act like it's that big a deal, we won't either. They're afraid to do anything that acknowledges just how severe this is.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

http://deadspin.com/5857689/a-weeping-joe-paterno-just-spoke-to-students-gathered-outside-his-living-room-window

Havent seen mention yet of what Joe actually said to the students/supporters outside his house yesterday.

"It's hard for me to tell you how much this means to me. I've lived for this place, and I've lived for people like you guys and girls, and I'm just so happy to see that you could feel so strongly about us and about your school. The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."

At first glance the bolded seems incredibly indicting, like belittling the victims' tragedy. I actually don’t think that’s what he meant..i think he just was referencing what others have told him to refer to the victims as. Either way, this was brutal. Did anyone present throw or shout something negative at the guy?

 

[CrossEyed]

Apparently nobody in the PSU administration is capable of making any decisions.

Explain this BOT thing to me. Why are they waiting until Friday to meet? Other than the "They're trying to cover their own ### first" theories, are there any other theories why they haven't held an emergency meeting to discuss this?

They've had meetings. And the big decision they've made so far is that they are going to form a committee to investigate. Apparently the 3 year grand jury investigation isn't good enough for them.

 

[Socrates11]

I still think JoePa will be out by Saturday's game. There is no way him or McQueary are at that game.

it boggles my mind that they could actually still be there

And the AP is reporting he will retire AFTER the season. What a joke. If this is the decision of the university, they all deserve everything they get the rest of the season in every stadium they visit.

That was a Paterno decision, not a PSU decision.Apparently nobody in the PSU administration is capable of making any decisions.

The BOT doesn't necessarily need to fire anyone *cough* *Paterno* *cough*, but everyone involved should be put on paid suspension IMMEDIATELY. Every hour that goes by without this happening makes PSU look worse.

 

[Chase Stuart]

The more I've thought about it, Mike McQueary is as big a coward as they come.This guy witnessed Sandusky raping a 10 year old boy in the shower. OK, I get that initially there may have just been so much shock that he didn't know what to do. I'm willing to give the guy a pass on not breaking it up on the spot. But after he reported it and nothing was done, how do you just act like you never saw what you saw? How do you continue to come to work every day in that facility knowing the guy that you personally watched rape a boy not only still has an office there and "emeritus" status, but that he continues to work with these Second Mile boys and continues to bring them to practice and hold overnight camps? How do you sleep at night? How do you live with yourself? How do you not say to yourself, "This is wrong, and if nobody else is going to do anything about it, I am, consequences be damned."?Gutless coward.

The only thing that makes sense is that he parlayed this into a full-time position. And that makes him and even bigger piece of ####. He should be worried about his safety.

I think we'll find out that McQueary was given a coaching position in exchange for keeping quiet. The real question is who gave him the job?

This is not as shocking as you might think.For example, Major Applewhite was the QB at Texas in '01, then a grad assistant from '02 to '04, and is now the Texas co-OC.McQueary was the Penn State QB in '97, so the timeline is shifted four years earlier. For him to be a GA in '02 and a recruiting coordinator/WR coach now isn't particularly unusual.