Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (1 Viewer)

[Mario Kart]

Why does it matter how much he knew? He admits that McQueary told him about sexual activity with a boy. Isn't that enough for you?

where is the outrage for the guy who actually saw what went on? Paterno was told, he didn't see it, he didn't witness it, he wasn't there. Where is the outrage directed at the actual witness of the event?

Plenty of outrage over McQueary in this thread. You just choose not to read it. It's also ironic and hypocritical of you to defend Paterno but not McQueary.

I'm not defending the actions/Inactions of either. I don't get the outrage and disdain for Paterno and then the same goes unsaid for the other guy. There may be some disdain for the actual witness but it does not show in this thread. IMO, there should be more since he is the actual witness, made a phone call to his dad and decided to involve Paterno. If he makes a phone call that night without going to Paterno the next day, this does not happen (more than likely). And, to this point, that guy still has his job and has not been called out nearly as much as Paterno. Weird things are happening at the Circle K.

 

[Tiger Fan]

SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS I can confirm there will soon be new, major allegation involving child sex abuse in Sandusky case. Told tonite it could come before Saturday

@SPORTSbyBROOKSSPORTSbyBROOKSIf what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public.

This a reliable source?

not sure. reading his tweets it appears so.

 

[Tango]

What I'm saying is that it appears Joe Paterno wasn't aware of what was happening and wasn't trying to hide it. He went to his superiors and reported it immediately. If the Grand Jury thought he had knowledge and was concealing, he would have been indicted also.

After '02 when an assault was alleged by an existing and continuing football coach in a football building; he permitted the same accusing coach to work a practice while Sandusky attended those same football practices (including closed practices) with young boys without any consequence or follow-up. And that fact alone, which is one of the few nuggets we know for sure, is grounds for dismissal. Not sure why you are bringing up legal culpability; it's irrelevant and has nothing to do with tonight (but look out in the future)...it's about his dismissal tonight.

Because the dismissal might as well be an admission of guilt for Paterno and the President. There is a reason they refused to resign. In my opinion the University is looking for a scapegoat before the chicken comes home to roost at no administrative oversight. Roosting on people like Curly and Schultz, strictly administrative agents of the University, covering up horrible crimes to protect the University's image. Which is how I view what is happening now. It is a shell game. The University is trying to shift the blame on the highest profile they can so it doesn't bring down the institution. Its in "the best interests" of Penn State.

Scapegoat is correct. i wish more would see this for what it is and not how the media wants.isnt it funny in this whole mess the rapist is getting the least attention? yet joepa is not a scapegoat?

i still want o be clear since im on the unpopular side here

I IN NO WAY DEFEND THE ACTIONS OF JERRY SANDUSKY HE IS BELOW SCUM.

but a man who tried to do the right thing at the time should not be the big issue here he just causes for the big story in the world of the media.

would it matter to most of you that the media reports 25 percent of the actual information ouy there? i paid big money for that study for one of my cases that involved a media whistle blower she was creating a huge story and reported non of the information that benfited the person who was charged. and eventually exonerated.

You realize the reason he is a "scapegoat" and getting all this attention is because of his inability to take more action and prevent more rapes?"tried to do the right thing"

seriously?

You are acting like he raped boys, or actually could have put a stop to it himself. i work with detectives everyday, sadly and believe me sadly they are not as fast to act on these cases as many may think so if he went to the police in a town that clearly favored sandusky it might not have worked as well as you think.hey im objective and fair and like to see the bad guy go down more than mant infact i thrive on it. but joe is not the bad guy thats my professional opinion as a d.a., im sorry if i anger some.

Your posts are contradicted by Joe Paterno himself, so we're not angry with you at all. More like amazed.

do you not think his lawyers told him to say that in an attempt to get on the right side of the public, even though it failed?statements are relased all the time and most of them are full of false emotions anyways.

so you honestly believe Joe Paterno does NOT wish that he had done more to help those children? I think you underestimate the integrity of Joe Paterno. He is an amazing man who built an incredible program through hard work and integrity...and he screwed up and deserves what he's getting. I wouldnt underestimate Paterno this much if I were you, I think he definitely wishes he did more.

 

[Samuel L Bronkowitz]

Jeebus

 

[Islanders rule]

What I'm saying is that it appears Joe Paterno wasn't aware of what was happening and wasn't trying to hide it. He went to his superiors and reported it immediately. If the Grand Jury thought he had knowledge and was concealing, he would have been indicted also.

After '02 when an assault was alleged by an existing and continuing football coach in a football building; he permitted the same accusing coach to work a practice while Sandusky attended those same football practices (including closed practices) with young boys without any consequence or follow-up. And that fact alone, which is one of the few nuggets we know for sure, is grounds for dismissal. Not sure why you are bringing up legal culpability; it's irrelevant and has nothing to do with tonight (but look out in the future)...it's about his dismissal tonight.

Because the dismissal might as well be an admission of guilt for Paterno and the President. There is a reason they refused to resign. In my opinion the University is looking for a scapegoat before the chicken comes home to roost at no administrative oversight. Roosting on people like Curly and Schultz, strictly administrative agents of the University, covering up horrible crimes to protect the University's image. Which is how I view what is happening now. It is a shell game. The University is trying to shift the blame on the highest profile they can so it doesn't bring down the institution. Its in "the best interests" of Penn State.

Scapegoat is correct. i wish more would see this for what it is and not how the media wants.isnt it funny in this whole mess the rapist is getting the least attention? yet joepa is not a scapegoat?

i still want o be clear since im on the unpopular side here

I IN NO WAY DEFEND THE ACTIONS OF JERRY SANDUSKY HE IS BELOW SCUM.

but a man who tried to do the right thing at the time should not be the big issue here he just causes for the big story in the world of the media.

would it matter to most of you that the media reports 25 percent of the actual information ouy there? i paid big money for that study for one of my cases that involved a media whistle blower she was creating a huge story and reported non of the information that benfited the person who was charged. and eventually exonerated.

You realize the reason he is a "scapegoat" and getting all this attention is because of his inability to take more action and prevent more rapes?"tried to do the right thing"

seriously?

You are acting like he raped boys, or actually could have put a stop to it himself. i work with detectives everyday, sadly and believe me sadly they are not as fast to act on these cases as many may think so if he went to the police in a town that clearly favored sandusky it might not have worked as well as you think.hey im objective and fair and like to see the bad guy go down more than mant infact i thrive on it. but joe is not the bad guy thats my professional opinion as a d.a., im sorry if i anger some.

No anger, I hope you are right. As a Dad, grandfather and icon at Penn State, it just doesn't make any sense at all that Joe would recive the information about a 10 year old boy being sexually abused in the showers at Penn State and simply report it to his superior and let it go without any follow up. We'll, maybe it makes since if his 30-40 year old buddy is the one accused?This is a far reach, but food for thought:

Could Sandusky have some info on JOPA over their 40 year relationship that would be damaging to JOPA?

This Soap Opera will continue to unfold.

I hope JOPA is vindicated, but I don't see how!!!

 

[Tiger Fan]

Stuart Scott basically hoping for full scale riots and violence

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Lynch mob mentality

A lynch mob with no real purpose

Freedom got an A.K.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

That game is gonna be a weird place to be on Saturday.

Whats this talk of the playboy channel?

Stuart Scott is HORRIBLE

Students getting more hammered, #### will hit the fan soon.

Peace

 

[Phenix]

only to the media. and asking what if about my child is a touchy situation. why would i be angry at the guy who reported a report from a second party? i would be angry at the people who had the real power to investigate yet covered it up, not the assumed power everyone thinks joepa had.

it dont say in the report that joe was not involved in any wrong doing but because most think he should of done more based of a second party report he is a guilty man not by law but by public opinion. eventho many would not of done what they are asking of joe, not saying its right but its true.

You say "most think he should have done more" and that's why he is punished; do you not realize that JOE PATERNO himself admitted today in his retirement statement that he "should have done more"? Paterno used the exact phrase that you attribute to his detractors.

You have lost that argument along with all the others who made a similar argument over the last few days because Joe Paterno himself disagrees with you.

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Phenix, care to reply to this fact?

Sure. many people in his position say things in statements to get on the right side of the public that already convicted him.he is and idiot i believe yes, but not a criminal.

So you honestly believe that Joe Paterno does NOT wish that he did more to help those children? Wow.

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no, im sure he does, after he himself found out all the facts which could have been recent. see that is what we do not know.remember he acted on his initial report, he is an old man who knows what he was thinking maybe he was selfish and thinking about his football team.

but it dont mean at the time that he did not do the right thing. at the time. this was many years ago many things have happened that many of us do not know.

 

[Joe Summer]

But ask yourself, who has more fault? Spandusky or Paterno? Curley and Schultz, or Paterno? The University itself, or Paterno?I feel there is plenty of fault to go around, but, from reading the indictment, Paterno's role was much smaller than many, many people involved in this. Including the police, if they had any role in suppressing these charges.

The police had no role in suppressing these charges, because the police were never called.Paterno's role seems small because he didn't care enough to make his role bigger. He could have been a hero but he'll always be considered a coward from here on out.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Stuart Scott basically hoping for full scale riots and violence

100% agree, totally sick. Levy should be the only one asking questions.

 

[Autumn Wind]

40+ years ago, college students protested the Vietnam War. Now they protest because an old guy doesn't get to be a football coach.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

only to the media. and asking what if about my child is a touchy situation. why would i be angry at the guy who reported a report from a second party? i would be angry at the people who had the real power to investigate yet covered it up, not the assumed power everyone thinks joepa had.

it dont say in the report that joe was not involved in any wrong doing but because most think he should of done more based of a second party report he is a guilty man not by law but by public opinion. eventho many would not of done what they are asking of joe, not saying its right but its true.

You say "most think he should have done more" and that's why he is punished; do you not realize that JOE PATERNO himself admitted today in his retirement statement that he "should have done more"? Paterno used the exact phrase that you attribute to his detractors.

You have lost that argument along with all the others who made a similar argument over the last few days because Joe Paterno himself disagrees with you.

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Phenix, care to reply to this fact?

I'll reply. Paterno is trying to calm people down. They are rioting on Penn St. campus right now off college avenue. He is also, like any moral person who could have maybe prevented any child from being molested, questioning whether he could have done anything different to stop the abuses. That's is how a moral person feels at a time like this. I think there are many people who should feel the same way.

Having said that, I don't know, given what we know at this point, whether there was any more he could or should have done. We just don't know all the facts yet.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Happy now? Perhaps at this point we can finally focus on the monster who actually molested and took advantage of these kids.

 

[Tiger Fan]

That game is gonna be a weird place to be on Saturday.

Whats this talk of the playboy channel?



Stuart Scott is HORRIBLE

Students getting more hammered, #### will hit the fan soon.

Peace

He really is horrible

 

[Hairy Snowman]

But ask yourself, who has more fault? Spandusky or Paterno? Curley and Schultz, or Paterno? The University itself, or Paterno?I feel there is plenty of fault to go around, but, from reading the indictment, Paterno's role was much smaller than many, many people involved in this. Including the police, if they had any role in suppressing these charges.

The police had no role in suppressing these charges, because the police were never called.Paterno's role seems small because he didn't care enough to make his role bigger. He could have been a hero but he'll always be considered a coward from here on out.

They were called in Victim 1 case. They told the mother to drop the charges. Read the indictment pdf. I posted it earlier in the thread.

 

[comfortably numb]

only to the media. and asking what if about my child is a touchy situation. why would i be angry at the guy who reported a report from a second party? i would be angry at the people who had the real power to investigate yet covered it up, not the assumed power everyone thinks joepa had.

it dont say in the report that joe was not involved in any wrong doing but because most think he should of done more based of a second party report he is a guilty man not by law but by public opinion. eventho many would not of done what they are asking of joe, not saying its right but its true.

You say "most think he should have done more" and that's why he is punished; do you not realize that JOE PATERNO himself admitted today in his retirement statement that he "should have done more"? Paterno used the exact phrase that you attribute to his detractors.

You have lost that argument along with all the others who made a similar argument over the last few days because Joe Paterno himself disagrees with you.

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Phenix, care to reply to this fact?

I'll reply. Paterno is trying to calm people down. They are rioting on Penn St. campus right now off college avenue. He is also, like any moral person who could have maybe prevented any child from being molested, questioning whether he could have done anything different to stop the abuses. That's is how a moral person feels at a time like this. I think there are many people who should feel the same way.

Having said that, I don't know, given what we know at this point, whether there was any more he could or should have done. We just don't know all the facts yet.

Holy christ.Im out

 

[Tango]

only to the media. and asking what if about my child is a touchy situation. why would i be angry at the guy who reported a report from a second party? i would be angry at the people who had the real power to investigate yet covered it up, not the assumed power everyone thinks joepa had.

it dont say in the report that joe was not involved in any wrong doing but because most think he should of done more based of a second party report he is a guilty man not by law but by public opinion. eventho many would not of done what they are asking of joe, not saying its right but its true.

You say "most think he should have done more" and that's why he is punished; do you not realize that JOE PATERNO himself admitted today in his retirement statement that he "should have done more"? Paterno used the exact phrase that you attribute to his detractors.

You have lost that argument along with all the others who made a similar argument over the last few days because Joe Paterno himself disagrees with you.

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Phenix, care to reply to this fact?

Sure. many people in his position say things in statements to get on the right side of the public that already convicted him.he is and idiot i believe yes, but not a criminal.

So you honestly believe that Joe Paterno does NOT wish that he did more to help those children? Wow.

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no, im sure he does

Im very glad we found one tidbit of common ground. have a goodnight phenix. im off to bed...

 

[Tiger Fan]

Stuart Scott basically hoping for full scale riots and violence

100% agree, totally sick. Levy should be the only one asking questions.

"There's a lot of students, one would assume there is drinking. Is that the case?"

 

[Phenix]

the facts are joe reported the incident to his superiors and he believed they handled it.

If he believed they handled it, why did he allow Sandusky to continue to bring his victims to closed practices and bowl games?

maybe he believes they found no evidence?

If that's the case, then Joe must believe that Mike McQueary lied to his face.Now, why would Joe Paterno hire someone who lied to his face?

have you hired people who haved lied to you? i have and thats after a lifetime backgorund check drug test polygraph and family background check. in politics we can find out anything. yet people still lie, so yes.

 

[Dragons]

Why does it matter how much he knew? He admits that McQueary told him about sexual activity with a boy. Isn't that enough for you?

where is the outrage for the guy who actually saw what went on? Paterno was told, he didn't see it, he didn't witness it, he wasn't there. Where is the outrage directed at the actual witness of the event?

Plenty of outrage over McQueary in this thread. You just choose not to read it. It's also ironic and hypocritical of you to defend Paterno but not McQueary.

I'm not defending the actions/Inactions of either. I don't get the outrage and disdain for Paterno and then the same goes unsaid for the other guy. There may be some disdain for the actual witness but it does not show in this thread I chose to ignore it. IMO, there should be more since he is the actual witness, made a phone call to his dad and decided to involve Paterno. If he makes a phone call that night without going to Paterno the next day, this does not happen (more than likely). And, to this point, that guy still has his job and has not been called out nearly as much as Paterno. Weird things are happening at the Circle K.

Fixed.

 

[Premier]

Guy on ESPN now reading off the call letters of the overturned van. Van was from Pittsburgh. Breaking news.

 

[CrossEyed]

Happy now? Perhaps at this point we can finally focus on the monster who actually molested and took advantage of these kids.

He's already been arrested and charged. Everybody is pretty much in agreement that Sandusky is the scum of the earth.

 

[comfortably numb]

Happy now? Perhaps at this point we can finally focus on the monster who actually molested and took advantage of these kids.

This is just getting started.Many of those board members on that podium have to answer to how much they knew.Anyone in any position of authority who took no action if they had any info, took advantage of those kids.

 

[Phenix]

only to the media. and asking what if about my child is a touchy situation. why would i be angry at the guy who reported a report from a second party? i would be angry at the people who had the real power to investigate yet covered it up, not the assumed power everyone thinks joepa had.

it dont say in the report that joe was not involved in any wrong doing but because most think he should of done more based of a second party report he is a guilty man not by law but by public opinion. eventho many would not of done what they are asking of joe, not saying its right but its true.

You say "most think he should have done more" and that's why he is punished; do you not realize that JOE PATERNO himself admitted today in his retirement statement that he "should have done more"? Paterno used the exact phrase that you attribute to his detractors.

You have lost that argument along with all the others who made a similar argument over the last few days because Joe Paterno himself disagrees with you.

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Phenix, care to reply to this fact?

Sure. many people in his position say things in statements to get on the right side of the public that already convicted him.he is and idiot i believe yes, but not a criminal.

So you honestly believe that Joe Paterno does NOT wish that he did more to help those children? Wow.

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no, im sure he does

Im very glad we found one tidbit of common ground. have a goodnight phenix. im off to bed...

in a way, but you did leave out the rest of my response to help your case. have a good night.

 

[wazoo11]

@aplusk How do you fire Jo Pa? #insult #noclass as a hawkeye fan I find it in poor taste

web • 11/10/11 12:26 AM

Umm...

 

[whoknew]

@ClayTravisBGID - Where is Tom Rinaldi, didn't he have a camera with him? Is he still interviewing that shrub?

 

[Dragons]

Happy now? Perhaps at this point we can finally focus on the monster who actually molested and took advantage of these kids.

I'm not sure if you heard, but the legal system will be focusing on the monster. Sue me for wanting some justice for those who enabled him. None of it makes me happy.

 

[Tango]

only to the media. and asking what if about my child is a touchy situation. why would i be angry at the guy who reported a report from a second party? i would be angry at the people who had the real power to investigate yet covered it up, not the assumed power everyone thinks joepa had.

it dont say in the report that joe was not involved in any wrong doing but because most think he should of done more based of a second party report he is a guilty man not by law but by public opinion. eventho many would not of done what they are asking of joe, not saying its right but its true.

You say "most think he should have done more" and that's why he is punished; do you not realize that JOE PATERNO himself admitted today in his retirement statement that he "should have done more"? Paterno used the exact phrase that you attribute to his detractors.

You have lost that argument along with all the others who made a similar argument over the last few days because Joe Paterno himself disagrees with you.

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Phenix, care to reply to this fact?

Sure. many people in his position say things in statements to get on the right side of the public that already convicted him.he is and idiot i believe yes, but not a criminal.

So you honestly believe that Joe Paterno does NOT wish that he did more to help those children? Wow.

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no, im sure he does

Im very glad we found one tidbit of common ground. have a goodnight phenix. im off to bed...

in a way, but you did leave out the rest of my response to help your case. have a good night.

That's true. that's the price I had to pay to leave on a conciliatory note. 'night

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Jim Rome sucks, but these talking heads need to steal his allegedly schtick

 

[Premier]

There's all these ESPN reporters there talking about all these riots and things happening......and no video. I feel like it's 1983 or something.

 

[flapgreen]

Joe Pa outside his house

what channel?

Playboy

Saw that. What was the velvet in the foreground all about?

Not sure but it looked it had been used.

 

[Mario Kart]

Fixed.

if you counted the times Paterno was mentioned in this thread compared to Mc???, Paterno has been mentioned much more than him. The hate for Paterno has been more talked about than the actual witness. Just saying.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Tom Rinaldi acting like he's in Kandahar.

 

[whoknew]

Tom Rinaldi acting like he's in Kandahar.

Its Tom Farrey but you are right. "We left after I was hit by a rock." Stu must have a huge hard on right now.

 

[Kenny Powers]

You out of towners should listen to the local Pittsburgh station that has live coverage/conversation for the next hour and a half. Much better than ESPN

My link

 

[Premier]

Tom Rinaldi acting like he's in Kandahar.

Tom, were the rocks thrown AT the police officers?"yes they were. We had to get out of there."

 

[flapgreen]

Tom Rinaldi acting like he's in Kandahar.

ESPN making it sound like a "blood and guts" protest in The Middle East.

 

[Tiger Fan]

"where did you get hit by the rock"

 

[whoknew]

Tom Rinaldi acting like he's in Kandahar.

Its Tom Farrey but you are right. "We left after I was hit by a rock." Stu must have a huge hard on right now.

Stu - "Where did you get hit with a rock and are you ok?"Tom - "Yea it was a small rock. No damage."'

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Drunk college kids now on ESPN

 

[flapgreen]

They should open fire on these dumb kids.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

ESPN has hit a new low.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Happy now? Perhaps at this point we can finally focus on the monster who actually molested and took advantage of these kids.

the monster never could have done it without the prestige and honor of being a PSU football legend and all that afforded him. He was caught THREE times in PSU football facilities and yet he was allowed to keep an office there, retain emeritus status and enjoy all of the benefits that came along with that, including running a charity that he appeared to have used as the primary means of targeting new victims! Even if no charges could have stuck, the university could have come forward with what they knew (THREE TIMES IN THEIR BUILDING!!) and publicly shamed him, ending his access to children and effectively warning everyone of exactly what they had to know he was. He brought one of the victims to the Outback Bowl as part of the team travelling party AFTER the first allegation! AFTER!This is about so much more than Sandusky. He never becomes the serial child rapist he is today without the football program and university keeping what they knew in house. They were the ones with the power to stop him and they chose not to, in fact, all they could do to is tell him not to bring children around the facilities, which is basically an admission that they knew what he was doing. And yet there are still reports of him bringing kids around the PSU football program after that, the third time he was caught raping or attempting to rape a child in their building. No, we're going to keep focusing on Penn State and the Penn State football program.

 

[Premier]

You out of towners should listen to the local Pittsburgh station that has live coverage/conversation for the next hour and a half. Much better than ESPN

My link

There's no way it's funnier than this.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

They should open fire on these dumb kids.

Which other Big 10 school do you root for?

 

[Disco Stu]

@aplusk How do you fire Jo Pa? #insult #noclass as a hawkeye fan I find it in poor tasteweb • 11/10/11 12:26 AMUmm...

I don't get it.

 

[flapgreen]

Hide ya kids!

 

[hammerva]

"Well he was partially right"

And Tom Farrey says that he was the closest to normal in the crowd

 

[Dragons]

Fixed.

if you counted the times Paterno was mentioned in this thread compared to Mc???, Paterno has been mentioned much more than him. The hate for Paterno has been more talked about than the actual witness. Just saying.

So now you're changing your argument from "disdain for McQuery does not show in this thread" to the disdain for McQuery is overshadowed by the "hate for Paterno"? Make up your mind.