Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (5 Viewers)

[Sinn Fein]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

Totally disagree with this. It's probably true for 99.999999% of things that go on, but this is about children getting raped. This isn't some rule violation; McQueary witnessed a 10 year old boy being raped and did next to nothing about it. This is bigger than "everything goes through coach at Penn State." It's totally inexcusable for any human in any situation to have handled it the way McQueary did.

My moral outrage with McQueary is not doing something when he saw it happen. McQueary is a bigger man than Sandusky and 30 years younger.But again, some people would be fear-ridden or whatever, so I kind of get it.

I think once he told Paterno what happened -- at least, if he told him everything -- at that point, I'm more disappointed in Paterno than McQueary. Paterno could have squashed this like a bug. With McQueary by him self -- without Paterno standing by him -- it would have been an ugly he-said, he-said with a respected elder.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

the guy was sick but obviously fooled a lot of people. he had the perfect cover for himself with the Second Mile charity. People actually thought the guy was doing something good when he brought these kids around everywhere. They thought he was helping them.

I assume most people didn't really think anything was up. But, for people like Paterno and McQueary, who knew better, it's just hard to understand how they could do nothing for all those years afterwards.

 

[koby925]

I think the hardest thing for Paterno supporters is that on the one hand we are talking about the inactivity of their idol. They say that people are villifying Paterno when the focus should be on Sandusky. That is the rallying cry. After all, this man didn't even do anything outwardly criminal himself. And we're talking about a man who was a walking deity who gave everything he had to the school and its student them for 62 years. And his inactivity harmed or may have harmed faceless, nameless victims. They are Victim 1. Victim 7. Even theoretical victims that may be out there. The victims are not people they know or can relate to. How can people crucify him for one mistake when he's done so much good for people?

If these people can imagine Victim 1 or Victim 7 being someone they know, maybe their perspective would change. You don't even have to take such a leap. As has been mentioned in this thread plenty of times, this is similar to the Catholic Church scandal. How did current Paterno supporters feel about that? And I'm not talking about the preists who did the acts, but other priests, bishops, etc. who covered for those that did the acts. Did you and do you still feel that these were good men who gave their lives to servicing people and made just one mistake, so we should give them the benefit of the doubt?

 

[Parrothead]

not being the coach anymore, I give Paterno one year tops.. he has nothing to live for..

had to happen, he needed to go, but it still makes me sad :(

 

[pollardsvision]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

Totally disagree with this. It's probably true for 99.999999% of things that go on, but this is about children getting raped. This isn't some rule violation; McQueary witnessed a 10 year old boy being raped and did next to nothing about it. This is bigger than "everything goes through coach at Penn State." It's totally inexcusable for any human in any situation to have handled it the way McQueary did.

While there's certainly no excusing it, McQ's inaction makes since on a certain level. Not that they were right and he's not a selfish coward.He was a graduate assistant in a crisis situation. In extreme situations, people generally take their cue from the leader. He told the most powerful man at PSU (some might say in the state). He watched that man essentially do nothing (at best. actively cover it up, at worst).

They were both horribly wrong, but Paterno led the way in how to handle the situation, as leaders always do.

 

[johnnycakes]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

 

[Sinn Fein]

not being the coach anymore, I give Paterno one year tops.. he has nothing to live for.. had to happen, he needed to go, but it still makes me sad :(

Who lives longer Paterno or Sandusky? Somebody set up a poll.

 

[Joe Summer]

saw this mentioned somewhere else probably a few days ago, but it was suggested that part of the reason this was allowed to happen is BECAUSE Paterno was there for so long. People around the program felt safe, like they were untouchable. If you have coaching changes and turnover over time, people don't feel as secure in their environment. But, things had remained basically the same there for decade after decade. People also didn't want to be responsible for ruining something like that so they were pressured, indirectly or directly, to stay quiet and maintain the status quo.Likely had something to do with Sandusky feeling so confident enough that he was committing his crimes in public facilities. Either he had no fear of being caught, or potentially wanted to be caught. He did say he wished he could get help and that he wished he was dead in 1998. Yet here we are.

I really wonder if Sandusky could have gotten away with all this if he wasn't at Penn State. There's no way he would have remained employed for 30 consecutive years at any other college, so he wouldn't have been able to establish a pipeline of victims if he had to change schools every 5-6 years (like most coaches do). Penn State was an ideal target for a child molester.

 

[B-Deep]

not being the coach anymore, I give Paterno one year tops.. he has nothing to live for.. had to happen, he needed to go, but it still makes me sad :(

I hear good things about his wife, so I am hopeful he can lean on her and maybe his kidsthe man needed to go and what he appears to have done or nt done was horribel, but I do not wish death on the man.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

Totally disagree with this. It's probably true for 99.999999% of things that go on, but this is about children getting raped. This isn't some rule violation; McQueary witnessed a 10 year old boy being raped and did next to nothing about it. This is bigger than "everything goes through coach at Penn State." It's totally inexcusable for any human in any situation to have handled it the way McQueary did.

While there's certainly no excusing it, McQ's inaction makes since on a certain level. Not that they were right and he's not a selfish coward.He was a graduate assistant in a crisis situation. In extreme situations, people generally take their cue from the leader. He told the most powerful man at PSU (some might say in the state). He watched that man essentially do nothing (at best. actively cover it up, at worst).

They were both horribly wrong, but Paterno led the way in how to handle the situation, as leaders always do.

Right. Paterno was the HC at Penn State before McQueary was even born. He had so much power and opportunity, and chose to do so little.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

he has dementia now, and he did tell a lot of people from the sounds of it.

 

[Sinn Fein]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

Meh, he should not be allowed to coach Uconn this year imo.

 

[dgreen]

What about Jim Calhoun...

UCONN should fire him immediately.

 

[johnnycakes]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

he had dementia now, and he did tell a lot of people from the sounds of it.

Not comptent to testify does not equal insane. And he never reported it.

 

[Chase Stuart]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

I thought what he did with Nate Miles shows you where his moral compass is.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Damnit!

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

Totally disagree with this. It's probably true for 99.999999% of things that go on, but this is about children getting raped. This isn't some rule violation; McQueary witnessed a 10 year old boy being raped and did next to nothing about it. This is bigger than "everything goes through coach at Penn State." It's totally inexcusable for any human in any situation to have handled it the way McQueary did.

My moral outrage with McQueary is not doing something when he saw it happen. McQueary is a bigger man than Sandusky and 30 years younger.But again, some people would be fear-ridden or whatever, so I kind of get it.

I think once he told Paterno what happened -- at least, if he told him everything -- at that point, I'm more disappointed in Paterno than McQueary. Paterno could have squashed this like a bug. With McQueary by him self -- without Paterno standing by him -- it would have been an ugly he-said, he-said with a respected elder.

I'm the opposite. I totally understand not doing something when he saw it happen. We'd all like to think we'd do something, and it's easy to say he's bigger and younger than Sandusky, but faced with that kind of horrible situation I don't know and can't judge how I or anyone else would react in the moment. It's his total inaction ever since that night that is inexcusable. He saw a grown man raping a little boy, and never told the police. For the next ten years he presumably continued to see that man on campus, in the football facilities, at games - with children - and remained silent. Joe Paterno is a monumental figure at Penn State for sure, but this is bigger than Joe Paterno. McQueary failed to do what, in my opinion, any normal decent human being would do - maybe not in the moment, maybe not the next day, but at some point over the course of the following decade. Instead he did nothing.

 

[Go DC Yourself]

Tyoka: McQueary went to coach. The buck stops with coach. Everything goes through him. Once it goes to him, that's the end of it. So I don't blame McQueary. I don't know how he sleeps at night. I don't know how he sees Sandusky every day for years. I have a feeling he's in his own personal hell. But I don't blame him as much as Paterno. At Penn State, everything goes through coach, and once you tell him, you're done.

Totally disagree with this. It's probably true for 99.999999% of things that go on, but this is about children getting raped. This isn't some rule violation; McQueary witnessed a 10 year old boy being raped and did next to nothing about it. This is bigger than "everything goes through coach at Penn State." It's totally inexcusable for any human in any situation to have handled it the way McQueary did.

My moral outrage with McQueary is not doing something when he saw it happen. McQueary is a bigger man than Sandusky and 30 years younger.But again, some people would be fear-ridden or whatever, so I kind of get it.

I think once he told Paterno what happened -- at least, if he told him everything -- at that point, I'm more disappointed in Paterno than McQueary. Paterno could have squashed this like a bug. With McQueary by him self -- without Paterno standing by him -- it would have been an ugly he-said, he-said with a respected elder.

Spot on. What many don't realize is that Joe Paterno had a number of avenues he could have used to box Sandusky in, not just the criminal law enforcement process. McQueary was in a much different position.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing...or something like that

 

[BassNBrew]

It seems like firing McQueary could a little tricky.

University leaders at the time have to go. That's obvious. These are people with power and influence. They had the power to make sure a proper investigation took place or cover it up.

McQueary seems like a different situation. Absolutely, he's a despicable coward. He should resign.

But it sounds like he told the truth to all the people at PSU with the power to do something. They didn't. For all we know, the people in power told him to shut up.

Morally, he can't be excused for his actions, but it seems like PSU would have some legal hurdles in the way of firing him. I could see grounds for a lawsuit if they did.

Maybe I'm way off base.

Would McQueary really dare file for wrongful termination, even if he had a case?

Why wouldn't he?His job prospects will be minimal. The money will come in handy.

Based on reports, he told the most powerful people at PSU the truth about the situation. He didn't try to hide anything. His only power to cover this up would've been to not report it, which he did, to a number of powerful people.

He could easily make the case that he was a victim, of sorts, of the culture created by Paterno and others.

It sounds very likely that he was told to keep quiet.

Not that he'd get any sympathy from me or most others, but legally, I don't see how he wouldn't have a case.

. He knew what he saw. Whether or not he was told to keep quiet, he knew he saw Sandusky buggering a ten year old and didn't call the police. He saw Sandusky still around the campus and still in the company of boys. He absolutely hid things. His first call should've been to the police, anything else is absolutely hiding an horrific truth.

I meant he didn't try to hide anything from his University superiors (as far as we know).Personally, I think he was strongly encouraged to keep his mouth shut.

I just don't see how they can fire McQ. Maybe they give him a huge stack of money to walk away, but I'm not sure how they can just fire him.

There is NOTHING strong enough to encourage anyone from reporting, to the police, that they saw a man raping a boy. NOTHING. He kept his mouth shut while a known rapist was crawling around the campus. No way he shouldn't be fired just like everyone else in this mess.

I don't know. Imagine having your dream job with a potential to move up the ranks down the road. Your bosses tell you they'll handle it and to kept your mouth shut if you want to keep your job.I think many of us would be wrestling with a cloud of analysis if we didn't act in the first few seconds. McQ probably had a wtf moment when he saw this and then his brain took over analyzing how to react. Obviously he could have handled things different and for the better, but this isn't as simple as it might seem.

 

[Joe Summer]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

It's a little harder to feel vitriol for a guy who had a mental breakdown and is currently institutionalized.

 

[johnnycakes]

Well, just for the record, Tom Bradley says"Paterno will go down in history as one of the greatest men."

 

[pollardsvision]

ESPN reporting that PSU BOT asking McQ not to be on the field Sat. for concern for his safety (in press box instead). Said no plans to fire him as of now.

 

[johnnycakes]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

It's a little harder to feel vitriol for a guy who had a mental breakdown and is currently institutionalized.

Where does it say he had a mental breakdown? I read, "not competent to testify and in a nursing home." My dad is not competent to do anything and he could be in a nursing home, except I hired a nurse to look after him. But he never had any mental breakdown. neither did Calhoun.

 

[dgreen]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

It's a little harder to feel vitriol for a guy who had a mental breakdown and is currently institutionalized.

We only have so much vitrol to go around. I still need to save some for guys like Tony Romo and Sidney Crosby.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I don't know. Imagine having your dream job with a potential to move up the ranks down the road. Your bosses tell you they'll handle it and to kept your mouth shut if you want to keep your job.I think many of us would be wrestling with a cloud of analysis if we didn't act in the first few seconds. McQ probably had a wtf moment when he saw this and then his brain took over analyzing how to react. Obviously he could have handled things different and for the better, but this isn't as simple as it might seem.

I just can't get past this. He saw a child getting raped. This isn't some financial scandal or rules violation or something else that you might be able to rationalize. Anyone who would keep quiet about children being raped in order to keep their job is seriously ####ed imo.

 

[johnnycakes]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

It's a little harder to feel vitriol for a guy who had a mental breakdown and is currently institutionalized.

We only have so much vitrol to go around. I still need to save some for guys like Tony Romo and Sidney Crosby.

Yeah, but the fact that the janitor, a temporary worker employed for 8 months, clearly saw inappropriate and deviant sexual behavior, but hesitated to report it... it either speaks to the character of the janitor, or it speaks to the character of PSU as an institution if that janitor failed to report out of fear for his job.

 

[ClownCausedChaos]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

Meh, he should not be allowed to coach Uconn this year imo.

What about Jim Calhoun...

UCONN should fire him immediately.

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

I thought what he did with Nate Miles shows you where his moral compass is.

We make jokes about this guy. Got it.

 

[Leviathan]

So, are we about six months away from the trial?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

what's odd is the coach Jim Calhoun also looks like he's somewhat unbalanced.

 

[bigbottom]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

Any adult who witnessed Sandusky sexually assaulting a child and did not immediately report it to law enforcement should be fired at a minimum. Period.

 

[B-Deep]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

It's a little harder to feel vitriol for a guy who had a mental breakdown and is currently institutionalized.

We only have so much vitrol to go around. I still need to save some for guys like Tony Romo and Sidney Crosby.

Yeah, but the fact that the janitor, a temporary worker employed for 8 months, clearly saw inappropriate and deviant sexual behavior, but hesitated to report it... it either speaks to the character of the janitor, or it speaks to the character of PSU as an institution if that janitor failed to report out of fear for his job.

soyou are shocked that people are angrier that Joe PAterno, the face of the university, did not do enough than that some faceless janitor in a home did not?really?fine#### that janitor, #### him, i hope he loses HIS job too

 

[TobiasFunke]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

It's a little harder to feel vitriol for a guy who had a mental breakdown and is currently institutionalized.

We only have so much vitrol to go around. I still need to save some for guys like Tony Romo and Sidney Crosby.

Yeah, but the fact that the janitor, a temporary worker employed for 8 months, clearly saw inappropriate and deviant sexual behavior, but hesitated to report it... it either speaks to the character of the janitor, or it speaks to the character of PSU as an institution if that janitor failed to report out of fear for his job.

I don't think Manute Bol could have reached as far as you can.At some point people need to get off their high horse and stop acting like they know exactly what they would have done in such-and-such person's situation. You want to hold people in positions of authority accountable for this kind of stuff, that's fine. Those positions come with accountability. But a janitor? The guy's probably struggling to keep a roof over his head and food on his table, and had to consider the possibility that maybe reporting something like this about someone like Sandusky could affect his ability to do that. And ... I thought that he did report it to someone, did he not? If he mentioned it to anyone in a position of authority, I give him a pass.

 

[Joe Summer]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

It's a little harder to feel vitriol for a guy who had a mental breakdown and is currently institutionalized.

Where does it say he had a mental breakdown? I read, "not competent to testify and in a nursing home." My dad is not competent to do anything and he could be in a nursing home, except I hired a nurse to look after him. But he never had any mental breakdown. neither did Calhoun.

Does your dad have dementia?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

 

[dgreen]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

It's a little harder to feel vitriol for a guy who had a mental breakdown and is currently institutionalized.

We only have so much vitrol to go around. I still need to save some for guys like Tony Romo and Sidney Crosby.

Yeah, but the fact that the janitor, a temporary worker employed for 8 months, clearly saw inappropriate and deviant sexual behavior, but hesitated to report it... it either speaks to the character of the janitor, or it speaks to the character of PSU as an institution if that janitor failed to report out of fear for his job.

Yeah, got it. But, seriously, there's only so much vitrol to go around. I'm sure there are even more people we don't know about who knew something and did nothing. Most of the vitrol has been directed towards those who had escaped legal charges and continued to be employed by the university. The focus, for much of this thread, has been on the fact that Paterno, Spanier, and McQueary had jobs. Two are gone. One probably will be. And, yes, part of it is that these guys held higher positions. The higher-ups are always held to a higher standard and always take the fall. Always.The janitor should have done something. He didn't. That sucks. Not sure what else there is to talk about there.

 

[johnnycakes]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

It's a little harder to feel vitriol for a guy who had a mental breakdown and is currently institutionalized.

We only have so much vitrol to go around. I still need to save some for guys like Tony Romo and Sidney Crosby.

Yeah, but the fact that the janitor, a temporary worker employed for 8 months, clearly saw inappropriate and deviant sexual behavior, but hesitated to report it... it either speaks to the character of the janitor, or it speaks to the character of PSU as an institution if that janitor failed to report out of fear for his job.

soyou are shocked that people are angrier that Joe PAterno, the face of the university, did not do enough than that some faceless janitor in a home did not?really?fine#### that janitor, #### him, i hope he loses HIS job too

Yeah, I guess I'm shocked that people at ALL LEVELS of PSU failed to report. All levels... right down to the janitor who witnessed Sandusky being a peter puffer.ETA: It's this kind of argument we may hear in the civil suits against PSU... it wasn't just Paterno or the AD or the GA... it was the institution as a whole, from the President on down to the janitor. Cover-up and protection of the football program was fully institutionalized.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

Tell him he's Jerry Sandusky.

 

[Sinn Fein]

So, are we about six months away from the trial?

I would guess longer, if at all.

 

[dgreen]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

With online vitrol!

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

also, to be clear, this wasn't referring to Paterno.

 

[dgreen]

Yeah, I guess I'm shocked that people at ALL LEVELS of PSU failed to report. All levels... right down to the janitor who witnessed Sandusky being a peter puffer.

That's a good point.

 

[comfortably numb]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

I don't care, Joe Paterno should get whatever comes his way!!

 

[FDC]

It's his total inaction ever since that night that is inexcusable. He saw a grown man raping a little boy, and never told the police.

Sort of. Mcqueary reported what he saw directly in person to Schultz and Curley. Schultz oversaw the whole campus police as part of his job. Most would agree that is 'police' enough, and especially a 23 year old would think that. Still though the point stands that it would be very hard to stomach seeing Sanduski at facilities with boys for years after that.

 

[Sinn Fein]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

also, to be clear, this wasn't referring to Paterno.

 

[Ocram]

You know, I don't have a good explanation for this, but......

It seems that the overwhelming majority of us are saying how it would be a no-brainer to report watching the rape of 10 year old boy. I know I definitely would.

Yet, we have now multiple instances of this happening at PSU and NONE of them reported what they saw to the authorities. Not the janitor. Not the GA. Not the wrestling coach.

Doesn't that seem odd? Given the very small minority of people that could find a way to not report it, how is it that 3 instances were witnessed and all 3 weren't reported.

Either we're all overestimating what we'd do in the same situation or there's something that caused none of these guys to call the police. If the latter, we may be looking at some serious threats that were thrown at these guys to keep them from taking it to the authorities. Maybe threats to their life and/or families. The fact that 3 different people at 3 different times and in 3 different work areas all somehow decided not to report what they saw is very, very odd. A coach, a janitor, and a GA. 3 guys with different career aspirations.

Something stinks here.

ETA--When I say report, I mean actually call the police, not reporting to their supervisor.

 

[B-Deep]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

It's a little harder to feel vitriol for a guy who had a mental breakdown and is currently institutionalized.

We only have so much vitrol to go around. I still need to save some for guys like Tony Romo and Sidney Crosby.

Yeah, but the fact that the janitor, a temporary worker employed for 8 months, clearly saw inappropriate and deviant sexual behavior, but hesitated to report it... it either speaks to the character of the janitor, or it speaks to the character of PSU as an institution if that janitor failed to report out of fear for his job.

soyou are shocked that people are angrier that Joe PAterno, the face of the university, did not do enough than that some faceless janitor in a home did not?really?fine#### that janitor, #### him, i hope he loses HIS job too

Yeah, I guess I'm shocked that people at ALL LEVELS of PSU failed to report. All levels... right down to the janitor who witnessed Sandusky being a peter puffer.ETA: It's this kind of argument we may hear in the civil suits against PSU... it wasn't just Paterno or the AD or the GA... it was the institution as a whole, from the President on down to the janitor. Cover-up and protection of the football program was fully institutionalized.

yeahwe all arebut Paterno is Paterno, he is more significant than a janitor, who by the way no longer works for them so cannot be fired

 

[TobiasFunke]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

It's a little harder to feel vitriol for a guy who had a mental breakdown and is currently institutionalized.

We only have so much vitrol to go around. I still need to save some for guys like Tony Romo and Sidney Crosby.

Yeah, but the fact that the janitor, a temporary worker employed for 8 months, clearly saw inappropriate and deviant sexual behavior, but hesitated to report it... it either speaks to the character of the janitor, or it speaks to the character of PSU as an institution if that janitor failed to report out of fear for his job.

Yeah, got it. But, seriously, there's only so much vitrol to go around. I'm sure there are even more people we don't know about who knew something and did nothing. Most of the vitrol has been directed towards those who had escaped legal charges and continued to be employed by the university. The focus, for much of this thread, has been on the fact that Paterno, Spanier, and McQueary had jobs. Two are gone. One probably will be. And, yes, part of it is that these guys held higher positions. The higher-ups are always held to a higher standard and always take the fall. Always.The janitor should have done something. He didn't. That sucks. Not sure what else there is to talk about there.

From Page 22:"Jim reported to Witherite [his immediate supervisor] that he had seen..."

He did something. He didn't go to law enforcement authorities, but are you really gonna crucify a janitor for that?

 

[The Future Champs]

What about Jim Calhoun, the janitor who caught Sandusky performing oral on a young boy, and who KNEW what he saw, telling Sandusky, he had fought in Korea and had "seen people with their guts blowed out, arms dismembered... I just witnessed something in here I'll never forget." Sounds like he was much more concerned about protecting his job than in seeking justice for the boy. Though he did struggle with it, he ultimately chose not to report. That was in 2000. No vitriol for him?

It's a little harder to feel vitriol for a guy who had a mental breakdown and is currently institutionalized.

The fact that he's no longer cognizant shouldn't allow him to escape punishment for being a C.R.E.TM

 

[Parrothead]

how do you punish a guy who doesn't know where or who he is?

also, to be clear, this wasn't referring to Paterno.

was going to say "over the phone"