Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)

[Aaron Rudnicki]

the person posting the second most in this thread is a Michigan alum.

he is? news to me.awesome. I should update my resume.

My notebook says you went to Michigan. I was impressed. No?

nope. Vermont.my college sports fandom is limited mostly to hockey these days.I have absolutely no reason to dislike Penn State or Joe Paterno. Always kind of liked and respected both actually.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

PSU will not look outside for it's next president.

Big mistake, imo.

I dunnoif it is someone from the academic side who truley was not involved in this it could be fine

let's not assume everyone at the entire institution is tainted

It's about perception. PSU has an image problem right now. Assigning insiders to the open positions will not help that image at all, imo.

Not everyone at PSU is an insider. IT is quite possible the academic side of the house is quite pissed at this, and hiring someone from the institution to put the athletic department in proper context and clean things up may be perfect, depending on the personThey have to hire the RIGHT person, and if that is someone inside fine. If they just pick someone inside for ease they are making a mistake, but without knowing anything about their internal candidates i am not willing to say disqualify them all

I'd actually argue that someone who is already there with the established friendships, relationships, etc can probably find out more in shorter period of time than a complete outsider. And man, I liked how that BOT chairman from US Steel acted. He seemed solid.

Did he seem solid like JoePa seemed solid for years?"He seemed solid" means precisely nothing. At all.

Why don't you crawl back under that rock you've been hiding under for 100 pages. The adults are talking now.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

the person posting the second most in this thread is a Michigan alum.

he is? news to me.awesome. I should update my resume.

My notebook says you went to Michigan. I was impressed. No?

nope. Vermont.my college sports fandom is limited mostly to hockey these days.

Love me some Burlington but is it bad that I'm less impressed?

 

[Parrothead]

PSU will not look outside for it's next president.

Big mistake, imo.

I dunnoif it is someone from the academic side who truley was not involved in this it could be fine

let's not assume everyone at the entire institution is tainted

It's about perception. PSU has an image problem right now. Assigning insiders to the open positions will not help that image at all, imo.

Not everyone at PSU is an insider. IT is quite possible the academic side of the house is quite pissed at this, and hiring someone from the institution to put the athletic department in proper context and clean things up may be perfect, depending on the personThey have to hire the RIGHT person, and if that is someone inside fine. If they just pick someone inside for ease they are making a mistake, but without knowing anything about their internal candidates i am not willing to say disqualify them all

I'd actually argue that someone who is already there with the established friendships, relationships, etc can probably find out more in shorter period of time than a complete outsider. And man, I liked how that BOT chairman from US Steel acted. He seemed solid.

absolutely.. I know Dr Erickson- had him as a prof a few times and he was my advisor for a year. Great guy, smart as hell, and had nothing to do with athletics.. I support him as president.. Never liked Spanier

 

[ConstruxBoy]

the person posting the second most in this thread is a Michigan alum.

he is? news to me.awesome. I should update my resume.

My notebook says you went to Michigan. I was impressed. No?

nope. Vermont.my college sports fandom is limited mostly to hockey these days.

Love me some Burlington but is it bad that I'm less impressed?

Missed your last edit. Sorry to have misjudged you. I need a new secretary.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Love me some Burlington but is it bad that I'm less impressed?

not at all. so am I.I have a lot of posts in here but I'm not carrying the torch for a guy like Paterno or the rest of the school/football program. I'm just interested in learning what went on, what people knew, and how this was able to continue for such a long period of time.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Why don't you crawl back under that rock you've been hiding under for 100 pages. The adults are talking now.

Have to resort to this, huh? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. What year did you graduate from PSU?

'95. BS in MIS. You?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Love me some Burlington but is it bad that I'm less impressed?

not at all. so am I.

Great college town though. Spent some time in Plattsburgh for work. Great area when it's not too cold.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Why don't you crawl back under that rock you've been hiding under for 100 pages. The adults are talking now.

Have to resort to this, huh? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. What year did you graduate from PSU?

'95. BS in MIS. You?

'01, U of Washington If this happened at the UW, it would be just as disgusting, and I wouldn't defend it at all. Seriously, why are you defending this?

If you think I'm defending this, it's not worth continuing the conversation.

 

[Parrothead]

Why don't you crawl back under that rock you've been hiding under for 100 pages. The adults are talking now.

Have to resort to this, huh? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. What year did you graduate from PSU?

'95. BS in MIS. You?

'01, U of Washington If this happened at the UW, it would be just as disgusting, and I wouldn't defend it at all. Seriously, why are you defending this?

If you think I'm defending this, it's not worth continuing the conversation.

he ain't worth it..

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Love me some Burlington but is it bad that I'm less impressed?

not at all. so am I.I have a lot of posts in here but I'm not carrying the torch for a guy like Paterno or the rest of the school/football program. I'm just interested in learning what went on, what people knew, and how this was able to continue for such a long period of time.

I imagine most people have seen the Syracuse basketball accusations. It may sound sick, but this may be the best thing to ever happen to abused children because of the publicity and awareness and the courage it may give them to speak out.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Why don't you crawl back under that rock you've been hiding under for 100 pages. The adults are talking now.

Have to resort to this, huh? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. What year did you graduate from PSU?

'95. BS in MIS. You?

'01, U of Washington If this happened at the UW, it would be just as disgusting, and I wouldn't defend it at all. Seriously, why are you defending this?

If you think I'm defending this, it's not worth continuing the conversation.

he ain't worth it..

I try to get along with everyone. Heck, I even laughed at Crosseyed's joke.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

In case you haven't noticed, the Pope and the church get all the flack and outrage. The guilty priests are hardly ever mentioned. There's precedence. It's not a witch hunt.

I guess this is a decent analogy with Joe being the Pope, Spanier/Shultz/Curley being the church, and Sandusky being the guilty priest. I would also guess that those most venomously spewing their misguided outrage towards the Pope had an anti-religion agenda, just like those most venomously spewing their misguided outrage towards Joe have an anti-PSU football agenda.

Why do Penn St fans keep saying this? Maybe that makes it easier, but you're also giving yourselves way too much credit. The vast majority don't care about Penn St football one way or the other. Or at least they didn't prior to this.

To be fair, the person posting most in this thread is a Pitt and the person posting the second most in this thread is a Michigan alum. It's very, very hard for me to believe that they don't care about Penn State football. Sorry.

To be fair, the person posting the most in this thread has had to deal with a lot of this kind of crap in his professional life in helping the victims recover, so it's kind of expected this would be a hot button issue for him. at the persecuted penn state fans

Alarming at the Penn state guys that are ignoring the obvious and going after the Pitt or Michigan fans.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=380672

MCKENZIE: SABRES' PEGULA SPEAKS OUT ON PENN STATE SCANDAL

As a father of five children, three of them still teenagers, and a proud alumnus of Penn State University, Terry Pegula has nothing but concern and compassion for the victims, whomever they are and however many of them there are, in the ongoing PSU scandal.

But the billionaire owner of the Buffalo Sabres -- whose $88 million "gift" to PSU in September of 2010 to build a hockey arena and start an NCAA Division 1 hockey program is reportedly the largest single donation ever to the school -- also has some strong feelings on how the university needs to conduct its affairs now and how the vast majority of "Penn Staters" need not hang their heads.

"I am standing behind the university," Pegula told TSN in his first interview about the PSU scandal, although he did issue a press release last week re-affirming his financial commitment for the D1 hockey program that is set to begin next fall.

"Our concern and compassion should be for the children involved in these terrible allegations," he said in a telephone interview from Boca Raton, Fla. "Whomever may have been involved in any way, anyone who knew anything, they've got to come clean. They've got to step forward and say, 'Here's what I know, here's what happened...' and that includes you know who," a seemingly obvious reference to Penn State legendary football coach Joe Paterno.

"This is not about covering your ###. Telling the truth now will go a long way towards getting everyone through this. If there's going to be a blind allegiance to anyone or anything here, it needs to be the university and to the truth...that's how we get to the bottom of what happened, that's how we get our image back."

Pegula attended Penn State from 1969 to 1973, graduating from the petroleum and natural gas engineeering program. In the years since then, he's been a big booster of the school but by his own admission was never directly involved in the day-to-day affairs of the institution or administration. Since he announced his $88 million gift to the university for the establishment of the D1 hockey program, he has been directly involved in issues pertaining to the building of the arena, but his focus and involvement has been relatively narrow and hockey-centric. But now that Penn State has become synonymous with bad news, Pegula says he intends to be more active in doing what he can to make sure the "right things are done" and to help repair the reputation of what he calls "a really good school."

Pegula says he's convinced that John Surma, the former CEO of U.S. Steel who is the vice-chair of the PSU board of trustees, is the right man to lead the charge to clean up this mess and get to the core of what happened.

"I've talked to John and he's a good man and he's already on this," Pegula said. "There needs to be transparency, we need to get to the raw truth, we need to eliminate agendas, eliminate egos and find out how this could have gone on at our university. John, believe me, is well along on that page and probably ahead of me and everyone else. We're both Penn Staters and we want the truth."

But Pegula also has some very strong feelings about how this story has played out in the media and the consequences for another group of "victims."

"Let's not have anything but concern and compassion for the primary victims here, for the children," he said, "but with the coverage there's been of this, I'm starting to see a second victim and that is the students who study there, the instructors who teach there, the people who work there...there are more than 40,000 Penn State people who've been implicated in this and they have absolutely nothing to do with it..."

And that is why Pegula never even considered not reaffirming his financial and emotional commitment to the institution.

"To me, it was (a) very easy decision," he said. "If you are a student at Penn State or an instructor or an administrator, imagine how your life has changed. It would be enough to put your head down. It's such a terrible thing and you would almost want to blame yourself...but the students there can't be blamed for what happened. They shouldn't put their head down. They should be proud to to be at Penn State and carry on with their lives. It's a great school and an unprecedented thing has happened here.

"There are a lot of people at Penn State not involved in any of this. Most of them, actually. It doesn't help to make them feel any worse. I talked to an instructor who was teaching a business class and he went into the class and could just see how down the students were, they were hanging their heads and he told them, 'Don't you hang your heads. You did nothing wrong.' After the class, he had so many students come up to him and say, 'thank you, I feel so much better now. I was starting to question what we're all about.' Those 40,000 to 50,000 people who are there now, to say nothing of the thousands and thousands of graduates, they need to feel good about themselves and their school. They're not responsible for this."

And for those who suggest that it's wrong to be playing out the balance of the PSU football season when the program is so interconnected with the scandal, Pegula had some strong words.

"I hear people say they shouldn't be playing football, that football doesn't matter now," he said."Well, I have nothing but compassion for the victims and I want the truth rooted out as badly as anyone, but I don't think anyone should be going up to (Penn State senior defensive tackle) Devon Still and telling him he can't play in the final games of his collegiate career, that he needs to pay the price for the mistakes of others. That's not how you do things. I would say to Devin, 'you play,' I would say to Penn State, 'you play,' and while you're playing we're going to clean up this mess."

In the meantime, Pegula is hoping his strong words, not to mention the reaffirmation of his $88 million commitment to the hockey program, will mitigate against the potential problems facing Penn State head hockey coach Guy Gadowsky as he tries to get the fledgling program off the ground and onto the ice for next fall. Gadowsky, an Edmonton native who came to Penn State after a successful coaching tenure at Princeton University, is busy selling recruits on the benefits of Penn State, which given the publicity of late, isn't an easy task.

"I wanted to make sure everyone knows I'm solidly behind Penn State hockey because others were using (the scandal) against us in our recruiting efforts," Pegula said. "I heard some of our recruits were maybe wavering a bit so I wanted to make sure they knew we're fully committed to running a first-class program that stands for all the right things. That's what we're all about."

Pegula says he knows things could conceivably get worse at Penn State before they get better and there's a long and difficult road ahead for the institution, but is confident that if people like Surma and himself put a premium on exposing the truth, however raw and ugly it may be, the healing process for Penn State will have already begun.

"I don't like what has happened, no one does," Pegula says. "But I guess I'm used to controversy. I'm an oil and gas man and people love to hate the oil and gas industry...we'll get this done and get to the truth and make people proud to be associated with Penn State."

 

[ConstruxBoy]

If you think I'm defending this, it's not worth continuing the conversation.

Great, so what do we disagree on?

Eh, honestly I've never really liked you here. Some people like Rud I respect and want to discuss things with. Others I just want to tell to #### off in a way that doesn't get me a time out.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Night all.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This really is turning into a college football thread after all.

 

[jon_mx]

Mods, please move this to the Child Molestation forum.

 

[mad sweeney]

Why don't you crawl back under that rock you've been hiding under for 100 pages. The adults are talking now.

Have to resort to this, huh? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. What year did you graduate from PSU?

'95. BS in MIS. You?

'01, U of Washington If this happened at the UW, it would be just as disgusting, and I wouldn't defend it at all. Seriously, why are you defending this?

(ahem) Jerramy Stevens (ahem)

 

[Dragons]

URGENT MEMO



You are only allowed to be disgusted by child rape at a university if you have no ties to any other university that has been a rival of the university at which the rape was committed.

Update your notebooks accordingly

I'm a Cal State Fullerton Alum. They closed the football program my second year of college. I don't follow college football at all. I think I qualify to say what I'm about to say:I'm disgusted by Sandusky specifically and child molestation/rape in general. I hope Sandusky gets to know what his victims felt like when he makes it to prison. I can repeat these phrases over and over again if people want his name on top of the word count, but there's really nothing more to say. If anyone wants to disagree with these statements, I'd be happy to have a discussion about it for 50 pages.

Paterno deserves at least what he's already received, potentially more depending on what further facts come out. His so-called reputation of strong ethics is not only tarnished, it's gone. This is not a good person making a bad mistake. This is a person who allowed someone under his watch to rape children. As it happens, he has also done good things. To anyone who did not directly benefit by the good things he did, the bad so far outweighs the good that the good doesn't deserve mentioning. To anyone who did receive such benefit, I feel sorry for you, I can't fathom how difficult this story is for you, but you are even less un-biased than a Pitt or Michigan fan. I also don't give a flying #### that he was fired over the phone. He could have resigned in person if he wanted the personal touch. If you look at the floodgates that were opened that week, every hour of delay brought more pain to the school as a whole. As soon as the board was ready to make their decision, he needed to be fired and have it announced. It couldn't wait until the next day, they needed to announce it at the end of the board meeting the night they made their decision. I suppose they could have had him sit in a stew room while they made their decision or called him and asked him to report to the board meeting, but I really don't think either alternative was better and I don't think he belonged on campus anymore.

Other than MacQuery, the rest of this thread has been following the trail of news that comes out. If Paterno transfers his house to a trust, it's news. It's probably nothing, but how do you know it's nothing without discussion? It doesn't make it more important than Sandusky sounding like a creep on a phone interview. Or that Sandusky's lawyer is a bit of a creep too, but hey, I remember those things also being discussed.

If we can't discuss Citadel in this thread, sorry we can't discuss the Roman Catholic Church. I feel like we should be able to discuss both, hell this is the FFA afterall, since when have we stayed on topic? But, I seem to remember the person most recently bringing up the catholic church being one of the those calling to stop talking about the Citadel. You can't have it both ways.

I hope Paterno's fall from from grace is a lesson to all people who currently know about child abuse and are keeping quiet. Sandusky is a monster and he could have been in jail a long time ago if people who could have done something about it, actually did something. Screw your reputation, screw that the monster happens to be a long time friend, some things are more important than those. Being a decent human being and not looking the other way while an innocent child is being victimized is a far better measure of being a good man.

 

[CrossEyed]

In case you haven't noticed, the Pope and the church get all the flack and outrage. The guilty priests are hardly ever mentioned. There's precedence. It's not a witch hunt.

I guess this is a decent analogy with Joe being the Pope, Spanier/Shultz/Curley being the church, and Sandusky being the guilty priest. I would also guess that those most venomously spewing their misguided outrage towards the Pope had an anti-religion agenda, just like those most venomously spewing their misguided outrage towards Joe have an anti-PSU football agenda.

Why do Penn St fans keep saying this? Maybe that makes it easier, but you're also giving yourselves way too much credit. The vast majority don't care about Penn St football one way or the other. Or at least they didn't prior to this.

To be fair, the person posting most in this thread is a Pitt and the person posting the second most in this thread is a Michigan alum. It's very, very hard for me to believe that they don't care about Penn State football. Sorry.

You're right that ongoing Pitt/PSU football rivalry is my driving motivation...oh, wait.

 

[Parrothead]

he ain't worth it..

You're the guy who thinks a football coach is a great man when he allowed kids to get raped right under his nose for years. And I'm the guy who isn't worth it? Check your priorities, man - it's just football. It isn't that important.

listen, I have been through this before with some other toolbag in this thread- you show ONE ####### post where I defended Paterno in this thread.. ONE ####### POST.. I was one of the first ones in here, as a Penn State grad, to call for Paterno's resignation and/or firing.. So, I challenge you to show me the post or shut the #### up.. deal?

 

[CrossEyed]

Cross - this thread is as much about the Catholic church as it is about the Citadel. You're not wrong, but is that why we're here?

So we can't expand the discussion to include some of the things that have created the culture of denial and coverup of child abuse?

Sure.. Every major organized religion I know of has a hierarchy of male leaders who are rarely questioned - so let's start with that.

I'm OK with that. Not a fan of hierarchical religious organizations, personally.

 

[CrossEyed]

100!

So proud of all of you.

You guys are all just riding my coattails.

OK, I laughed at that.

 

[-fish-]

Mods, please move this to the Child Molestation forum.

your first 15,732 posts may have sucked, but this was funny.

 

[glock]

Why don't you crawl back under that rock you've been hiding under for 100 pages. The adults are talking now.

Have to resort to this, huh? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. What year did you graduate from PSU?

'95. BS in MIS. You?

'01, U of Washington If this happened at the UW, it would be just as disgusting, and I wouldn't defend it at all. Seriously, why are you defending this?

(ahem) Jerramy Stevens (ahem)

And?This discussion isn't about what we think about our alma mater. This isn't about Pitt vs PSU vs UW. I don't give a rip about the PSU football program. What I give a rip about is the repeated rape of young boys in desperate need of a father figure in their life. What I give a rip about is JoePa ignoring it for years. The police turning a seeming blind eye. The higher ups at the university, not just in the athletic department, ignoring young boys getting sodomized in the shower for some terrible, awful reason. Anybody who tries to deflect criticism from where it rightly belongs or lessen the atrocities that took place is, at best, VERY irresponsible. At the core, that action is the exact same action as what was taken by so many people in State College. We must protect the reptuation of PSU at all costs, no matter how steep. It's sad. And it's sick. If you want to talk about the waste of flesh known as Jerramy Stevens, or the fact that there's very likely skeletons in the closet of the university I go to as well, that's fine - but let's not turn this into my U vs your U. That's ridiculous, unnecessary, and distracts from the profitable conversation that's happening around this subject right now. Look at the Syracuse thing. That is coming to light because of the spotlight shone on what happened at PSU. Talking about this is good. Bringing it to light is very good. I'm sorry it makes some people uncomfortable because terrible things happened where they went to school. I can't help you there.

 

[Parrothead]

he ain't worth it..

You're the guy who thinks a football coach is a great man when he allowed kids to get raped right under his nose for years. And I'm the guy who isn't worth it? Check your priorities, man - it's just football. It isn't that important.

listen, I have been through this before with some other toolbag in this thread- you show ONE ####### post where I defended Paterno in this thread.. ONE ####### POST.. I was one of the first ones in here, as a Penn State grad, to call for Paterno's resignation and/or firing.. So, I challenge you to show me the post or shut the #### up.. deal?

The last thing I'm doing is dredging through this thread to bring it up. I thought I'd heard you say that Paterno was a great man who made a terrible mistake. If I was wrong, I'm sorry.

you were very wrong.. you need to chill out and stop accusing everyone associated with Penn State as child rape supporters.. I am a very mellow person, but your broad brush attitude in this thread has to stop

 

[Parrothead]

he ain't worth it..

You're the guy who thinks a football coach is a great man when he allowed kids to get raped right under his nose for years. And I'm the guy who isn't worth it? Check your priorities, man - it's just football. It isn't that important.

listen, I have been through this before with some other toolbag in this thread- you show ONE ####### post where I defended Paterno in this thread.. ONE ####### POST.. I was one of the first ones in here, as a Penn State grad, to call for Paterno's resignation and/or firing.. So, I challenge you to show me the post or shut the #### up.. deal?

The last thing I'm doing is dredging through this thread to bring it up. I thought I'd heard you say that Paterno was a great man who made a terrible mistake. If I was wrong, I'm sorry.

you were very wrong.. you need to chill out and stop accusing everyone associated with Penn State as child rape supporters.. I am a very mellow person, but your broad brush attitude in this thread has to stop

Alright. My turn. Show me where I said everyone associated with PSU is a child rape supporter or take your own advice. There's no broad brush attitude here, and you're simply seeing what you want.

well, myself and Construxboy for starters.. whatever.. I said my peace.. just think before you post next time

 

[Parrothead]

he ain't worth it..

You're the guy who thinks a football coach is a great man when he allowed kids to get raped right under his nose for years. And I'm the guy who isn't worth it? Check your priorities, man - it's just football. It isn't that important.

listen, I have been through this before with some other toolbag in this thread- you show ONE ####### post where I defended Paterno in this thread.. ONE ####### POST.. I was one of the first ones in here, as a Penn State grad, to call for Paterno's resignation and/or firing.. So, I challenge you to show me the post or shut the #### up.. deal?

The last thing I'm doing is dredging through this thread to bring it up. I thought I'd heard you say that Paterno was a great man who made a terrible mistake. If I was wrong, I'm sorry.

you were very wrong.. you need to chill out and stop accusing everyone associated with Penn State as child rape supporters.. I am a very mellow person, but your broad brush attitude in this thread has to stop

Alright. My turn. Show me where I said everyone associated with PSU is a child rape supporter or take your own advice. There's no broad brush attitude here, and you're simply seeing what you want.

well, myself and Construxboy for starters.. whatever.. I said my peace.. just think before you post next time

I do. I promise. You were the guy trying to deflect criticism off on the Citadel earlier, insinuating that others in the thread were only going after PSU because they harbored some sort of grudge. Same as CXB. Also, I didn't say anybody was a child rape supporter. I did say they supported a man who allowed child rape to continue under his program. Which, for some in this thread, is very true (and very abhorrent.) With you, I remembered wrong (or at least I'm not willing to look for it to see if I was actually wrong) and for that I apologized. So let's all agree to be civil to each other, drop the cussing and name calling, and try to hash this out like adults. Alright?

I brought up the Citidel stuff cause I was getting frustrated with the piling on Penn State EVERYTHING including alumni (me and wife) and students (daughter) vibe that was going on.. I have never defended anyone involved in this horrible controversey, and will never do so.As I said, I am normally a very mellow person (poster) here, and usually post just for fun- but some of this stuff really hits hard and I will not stand for people passing judgement on innocent alums or students because of the actions and inactions of a few.. Read the thread and you will see.

 

[mad sweeney]

Why don't you crawl back under that rock you've been hiding under for 100 pages. The adults are talking now.

Have to resort to this, huh? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. What year did you graduate from PSU?

'95. BS in MIS. You?

'01, U of Washington If this happened at the UW, it would be just as disgusting, and I wouldn't defend it at all. Seriously, why are you defending this?

(ahem) Jerramy Stevens (ahem)

And?This discussion isn't about what we think about our alma mater. This isn't about Pitt vs PSU vs UW. I don't give a rip about the PSU football program. What I give a rip about is the repeated rape of young boys in desperate need of a father figure in their life. What I give a rip about is JoePa ignoring it for years. The police turning a seeming blind eye. The higher ups at the university, not just in the athletic department, ignoring young boys getting sodomized in the shower for some terrible, awful reason. Anybody who tries to deflect criticism from where it rightly belongs or lessen the atrocities that took place is, at best, VERY irresponsible. At the core, that action is the exact same action as what was taken by so many people in State College. We must protect the reptuation of PSU at all costs, no matter how steep. It's sad. And it's sick. If you want to talk about the waste of flesh known as Jerramy Stevens, or the fact that there's very likely skeletons in the closet of the university I go to as well, that's fine - but let's not turn this into my U vs your U. That's ridiculous, unnecessary, and distracts from the profitable conversation that's happening around this subject right now. Look at the Syracuse thing. That is coming to light because of the spotlight shone on what happened at PSU. Talking about this is good. Bringing it to light is very good. I'm sorry it makes some people uncomfortable because terrible things happened where they went to school. I can't help you there.

I misread what you had said, so my apologies for bringing up Stevens. I thought you were getting high and mighty about your U. I've been one of the most vocal against this in the thread and I most definitely don't have anything to do with PSU or any other college mentioned here.

 

[Parrothead]

I brought up the Citidel stuff cause I was getting frustrated with the piling on Penn State EVERYTHING including alumni (me and wife) and students (daughter) vibe that was going on.. I have never defended anyone involved in this horrible controversey, and will never do so.As I said, I am normally a very mellow person (poster) here, and usually post just for fun- but some of this stuff really hits hard and I will not stand for people passing judgement on innocent alums or students because of the actions and inactions of a few.. Read the thread and you will see.

Fair enough. I haven't, as I can tell, said a single negative thing about alumni in general, students in general, or anybody else. I will directly condemn behavior I don't approve of, but if you re-read what I've written in here, I haven't painted with a broad brush or made any general negative statements about PSU. I could give a rip about PSU in general.I try to be mellow normally now. I didn't used to be, and I don't much like a lot about who I used to be, and I'm doing my best to guard against being a ##### here. A couple folks are making it hard. If you didn't and we could slap it high being on the same team here, that would be awesome.

no worries.. I don't come to this board to fight with people- this is a tough topic for me and I will defend myself when I feel like I (and other innocents) am/are being targeted.. I know you probably mistook me for someone else in here, because I know I was one of the "Fire JoePa" Penn Staters from the start.. we're good

 

[mad sweeney]

I misread what you had said, so my apologies for bringing up Stevens. I thought you were getting high and mighty about your U. I've been one of the most vocal against this in the thread and I most definitely don't have anything to do with PSU or any other college mentioned here.

For this thread, you should change your name to reasonable sweeney. For the others it's usually pretty apt.

You clearly haven't read my earlier posts. I feel my name is apt for both definitions of the word. But thanks.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Oof - an unfortunate promotion

-QG

 

[Joe Summer]

Oof - an unfortunate promotion

-QG

Still can't top the Gary Schultz Child Care Center and the Joe Paterno Child Development Center.

 

[Michael Brown]

I brought up the Citidel stuff cause I was getting frustrated with the piling on Penn State EVERYTHING including alumni (me and wife) and students (daughter) vibe that was going on.. I have never defended anyone involved in this horrible controversey, and will never do so.As I said, I am normally a very mellow person (poster) here, and usually post just for fun- but some of this stuff really hits hard and I will not stand for people passing judgement on innocent alums or students because of the actions and inactions of a few.. Read the thread and you will see.

Fair enough. I haven't, as I can tell, said a single negative thing about alumni in general, students in general, or anybody else. I will directly condemn behavior I don't approve of, but if you re-read what I've written in here, I haven't painted with a broad brush or made any general negative statements about PSU. I could give a rip about PSU in general.I try to be mellow normally now. I didn't used to be, and I don't much like a lot about who I used to be, and I'm doing my best to guard against being a ##### here. A couple folks are making it hard. If you didn't and we could slap it high being on the same team here, that would be awesome.

no worries.. I don't come to this board to fight with people- this is a tough topic for me and I will defend myself when I feel like I (and other innocents) am/are being targeted.. I know you probably mistook me for someone else in here, because I know I was one of the "Fire JoePa" Penn Staters from the start.. we're good

FYI, it was Fat Nick somewhere around page 100 who made the comment about Joe Pa being a great man who made a horrible mistake. Looks like a case of mistaken identity.

 

[Zegras11]

URGENT MEMO



You are only allowed to be disgusted by child rape at a university if you have no ties to any other university that has been a rival of the university at which the rape was committed.

Update your notebooks accordingly

I'm a Cal State Fullerton Alum. They closed the football program my second year of college. I don't follow college football at all. I think I qualify to say what I'm about to say:I'm disgusted by Sandusky specifically and child molestation/rape in general. I hope Sandusky gets to know what his victims felt like when he makes it to prison. I can repeat these phrases over and over again if people want his name on top of the word count, but there's really nothing more to say. If anyone wants to disagree with these statements, I'd be happy to have a discussion about it for 50 pages.

Paterno deserves at least what he's already received, potentially more depending on what further facts come out. His so-called reputation of strong ethics is not only tarnished, it's gone. This is not a good person making a bad mistake. This is a person who allowed someone under his watch to rape children. As it happens, he has also done good things. To anyone who did not directly benefit by the good things he did, the bad so far outweighs the good that the good doesn't deserve mentioning. To anyone who did receive such benefit, I feel sorry for you, I can't fathom how difficult this story is for you, but you are even less un-biased than a Pitt or Michigan fan. I also don't give a flying #### that he was fired over the phone. He could have resigned in person if he wanted the personal touch. If you look at the floodgates that were opened that week, every hour of delay brought more pain to the school as a whole. As soon as the board was ready to make their decision, he needed to be fired and have it announced. It couldn't wait until the next day, they needed to announce it at the end of the board meeting the night they made their decision. I suppose they could have had him sit in a stew room while they made their decision or called him and asked him to report to the board meeting, but I really don't think either alternative was better and I don't think he belonged on campus anymore.

Other than MacQuery, the rest of this thread has been following the trail of news that comes out. If Paterno transfers his house to a trust, it's news. It's probably nothing, but how do you know it's nothing without discussion? It doesn't make it more important than Sandusky sounding like a creep on a phone interview. Or that Sandusky's lawyer is a bit of a creep too, but hey, I remember those things also being discussed.

If we can't discuss Citadel in this thread, sorry we can't discuss the Roman Catholic Church. I feel like we should be able to discuss both, hell this is the FFA afterall, since when have we stayed on topic? But, I seem to remember the person most recently bringing up the catholic church being one of the those calling to stop talking about the Citadel. You can't have it both ways.

I hope Paterno's fall from from grace is a lesson to all people who currently know about child abuse and are keeping quiet. Sandusky is a monster and he could have been in jail a long time ago if people who could have done something about it, actually did something. Screw your reputation, screw that the monster happens to be a long time friend, some things are more important than those. Being a decent human being and not looking the other way while an innocent child is being victimized is a far better measure of being a good man.

on the stuff bold.

Long Beach St here... Football program shut down two years after I left.

If every man went out and saw the movie Courageous, which might still be playing, none of this would ever have happened.

 

[The Future Champs]

Some people in this thread really need to get together for a big group hug.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Another good post from a PSU alum: Penn State fans, 'normal' is never coming back. My latest column on the Sandusky scandal, and what it means: http://t.co/1dlxzpDL

 

[AmosMoses]

Another good post from a PSU alum: Penn State fans, 'normal' is never coming back. My latest column on the Sandusky scandal, and what it means: http://t.co/1dlxzpDL

Damn. That made me sad. I feel pretty bad for PSU alumni.

 

[glock]

Another good post from a PSU alum: Penn State fans, 'normal' is never coming back. My latest column on the Sandusky scandal, and what it means: http://t.co/1dlxzpDL

:(

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Another good post from a PSU alum: Penn State fans, 'normal' is never coming back. My latest column on the Sandusky scandal, and what it means: http://t.co/1dlxzpDL

Damn. That made me sad. I feel pretty bad for PSU alumni.

Thanks. It is what it is at this point.

 

[Thorn]

FWIW, it's not uncommon in estate planning to shift assets bxt husband and wife.

even if it was already owned by both? what is the possible benefit for transferring it from joint ownership to sole ownership by his wife?

Suppose that substantially all of the assets are in husband's name (not uncommon for that generation). Suppose husband is worth $8 million. The federal estate tax doesn't kick in until the estate is worth at least $5 million, and the rate is steep. If husband dies, $3 million of his estate gets hit with the tax. If they arrange their assets so that they both own about $4 million, no tax. WALA!

Is that French for something?

Cuban, I think.

 

[Tiny Dancer]

Another good post from a PSU alum: Penn State fans, 'normal' is never coming back. My latest column on the Sandusky scandal, and what it means: http://t.co/1dlxzpDL

Damn. That made me sad. I feel pretty bad for PSU alumni.

Thanks. It is what it is at this point.

Can anyone find the New York Times article referenced in the blog? I don't see it on the Times website.

 

[B-Deep]

Another good post from a PSU alum: Penn State fans, 'normal' is never coming back. My latest column on the Sandusky scandal, and what it means: http://t.co/1dlxzpDL

Damn. That made me sad. I feel pretty bad for PSU alumni.

Thanks. It is what it is at this point.

There's a lot i disagree with in there. I don't think most people want the PSU football program dead any more than i believe most PSU people think like Franco HarrisI feel sorry for fans and alums of PSU for going through this though they had nothing to do with it

I really do, and have said that and expressed it in this thread

but they are not the victims, nor is paterno, nor is McQueary.

 

[Tiny Dancer]

Can anyone find the New York Times article referenced in the blog? I don't see it on the Times website.

OK, I think this is it.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Can anyone find the New York Times article referenced in the blog? I don't see it on the Times website.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sports/ncaafootball/internet-posting-helped-sandusky-investigators.html?sq=jo%20becker&st=cse&adxnnl=1&scp=3&adxnnlx=1321628548-fs5iAhjeimr6u0VJehDdVg

 

[hook014]

Another good post from a PSU alum: Penn State fans, 'normal' is never coming back. My latest column on the Sandusky scandal, and what it means: http://t.co/1dlxzpDL

I have a lot of sympathy for those that are part of the PSU family. I think most everyone does. It's really not hard to process that this scandal lays at the feet of a very few. And as I said earlier in this thread, the program needs rebuilding not extinction. I also feel anyone with credibility would see it the same way.

I do have issue that you accuse people of having a "feigned" interest in this case. Really?? How cold do you have to be to have a feigned interest here? Jumps off the page and destroys most any other salient point.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Another good post from a PSU alum: Penn State fans, 'normal' is never coming back. My latest column on the Sandusky scandal, and what it means: http://t.co/1dlxzpDL

I have a lot of sympathy for those that are part of the PSU family. I think most everyone does. It's really not hard to process that this scandal lays at the feet of a very few. And as I said earlier in this thread, the program needs rebuilding not extinction. I also feel anyone with credibility would see it the same way.

I do have issue that you accuse people of having a "feigned" interest in this case. Really?? How cold do you have to be to have a feigned interest here? Jumps off the page and destroys most any other salient point.

Are you talking about in the link I posted? I didn't write that although I do agree with your point. I think that's the one place he let anger show. Otherwise I think it's excellently written.

 

[Disco Stu]

This thread got kinda weird last night.

 

[Dragons]

Another good post from a PSU alum: Penn State fans, 'normal' is never coming back. My latest column on the Sandusky scandal, and what it means: http://t.co/1dlxzpDL

Damn. That made me sad. I feel pretty bad for PSU alumni.

Thanks. It is what it is at this point.

There's a lot i disagree with in there. I don't think most people want the PSU football program dead any more than i believe most PSU people think like Franco HarrisI feel sorry for fans and alums of PSU for going through this though they had nothing to do with it

I really do, and have said that and expressed it in this thread

but they are not the victims, nor is paterno, nor is McQueary.

I agree with this.