Joe Horn Projections Here (1 Viewer)

[LHUCKS]

 

[Blackjacks]

 

[fsufan]

1100-1300 yards

6 to 8 TDs

 

[Magic Man]

1200-1300 yards

8-12 tds

I think he will have his last bounce back year.

 

[ThisGuy]

Joe is going to have to overcome quite a bit for Joe to become as big a part of the offense as Joe sees Joe being.

A lot depends on McAllister coming back 100% too.

1,079 yards and 6 td's

 

[radballs.]

85 receptions, 1,200 yards, 8 TDs

 

[gman8343]

76 1034 7 TDs

 

[TheFanatic]

1200-1300 yards

8-12 tds

I think he will have his last bounce back year.

I wouldn't doubt it. I just traded him and a 2nd rounder for Santana Moss. I'm guessing Joe Horn of 2006 is Joey Galloway of 2005.

 

[Blackjacks]

1200-1300 yards

8-12 tds

I think he will have his last bounce back year.

I wouldn't doubt it. I just traded him and a 2nd rounder for Santana Moss. I'm guessing Joe Horn of 2006 is Joey Galloway of 2005.

Remember who's team he went to....he won't do good72 catches 1050 yards 5 td's

 

[Q-Bert]

70 receptions

1015 yards

7 TDs

WR#21

 

[Magic Man]

1200-1300 yards

8-12 tds

I think he will have his last bounce back year.

I wouldn't doubt it. I just traded him and a 2nd rounder for Santana Moss. I'm guessing Joe Horn of 2006 is Joey Galloway of 2005.

That's exactly who I was thinking about when looking at Horn. Brees should do wonders for Horn there.

 

[radballs.]

Yours?

 

[TheFanatic]

1200-1300 yards

8-12 tds

I think he will have his last bounce back year.

I wouldn't doubt it. I just traded him and a 2nd rounder for Santana Moss. I'm guessing Joe Horn of 2006 is Joey Galloway of 2005.

That's exactly who I was thinking about when looking at Horn. Brees should do wonders for Horn there.

I still have Stallworth so I'm hoping he develops a rapport with Donte. Wishful thinking, I know.....

 

[LHUCKS]

Yours?

I do high and low ranges but if I middled them, I'd get:79-1125-7

I like his value this year, as I do most perennial ProBowlers coming off a non ACL injury with an improved coaching and QB situation.

I like his upside more than I like his median numbers.

 

[Couch Potato]

57-824-6

 

[Slinger]

Here's some projections before the Brees signing.

Link

 

[Gopher State]

57-824-6

 

[radballs.]

Yours?

I do high and low ranges but if I middled them, I'd get:79-1125-7

I like his value this year, as I do most perennial ProBowlers coming off a non ACL injury with an improved coaching and QB situation.

I like his upside more than I like his median numbers.

 

[CalBear]

I think Joe Horn is likely to be one of those older players who is perceived as having "no upside", who falls too far in drafts and represents great value. (See: Galloway/Glenn 2005, Muhammad/Bruce 2004). With a new coach and a new QB, it's hard to predict he'll return to top-10 form, but top-20 form is totally realistic, and he's likely to drift down into WR30-35 territory in fantasy drafts. Frankly, I wouldn't take him at WR20, because there is still uncertainty around his situation and he's coming off an injured campaign, but at WR25+ he should be a bargain.

The one thing to keep an eye on is whether Chase Lyman makes any noise in training camp. I wouldn't expect him to eat too much into Horn's numbers early on, but if he gets healthy he has all the physical skills to demand playing time and targets as the season goes on.

 

[Team Legacy]

1200-1300 yards

8-12 tds

I think he will have his last bounce back year.

I wouldn't doubt it. I just traded him and a 2nd rounder for Santana Moss. I'm guessing Joe Horn of 2006 is Joey Galloway of 2005.

Now why would you think something like that ???

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

LHUCKS you must be reading my mind.

I'm not sure how far his ADP will fall since he was the #3 fantasy WR in 2004... I think he'll most likely present some value though, since the elements for being forgotten about by a standard FFer are all there.

1) Emergence of a young WR on the team

2) Over 30

3) Uncertainty about changes in the team's coaching staff and QB

4) Coming off injury

All these elements combine to suppress his value. I'm hoping his ADP makes him a 7th rounder or later.

He definitely represents the type of WR I like to go after starting in round 6.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

70 - 950 - 7

 

[Slinger]

He definitely represents the type of WR I like to go after starting in round 6.

I got him in the 16th round in a Zealot league.

 

[psychobillies]

I think Joe Horn is likely to be one of those older players who is perceived as having "no upside", who falls too far in drafts and represents great value. (See: Galloway/Glenn 2005, Muhammad/Bruce 2004). With a new coach and a new QB, it's hard to predict he'll return to top-10 form, but top-20 form is totally realistic, and he's likely to drift down into WR30-35 territory in fantasy drafts. Frankly, I wouldn't take him at WR20, because there is still uncertainty around his situation and he's coming off an injured campaign, but at WR25+ he should be a bargain.

The one thing to keep an eye on is whether Chase Lyman makes any noise in training camp. I wouldn't expect him to eat too much into Horn's numbers early on, but if he gets healthy he has all the physical skills to demand playing time and targets as the season goes on.

I heard that a butterfly landed on the bench that Chase Lyman was sitting on and it tore both of his ACL's and twisted his ankle.Seriously though, I think Devery Henderson, Nate Poole, and even Michael Lewis rank ahead of Lyman on the depth chart. I am not expecting much from him. I think it was a wasted draft pick.

Hope you're right though.

 

[Dt's Mules]

70 receptions

1015 yards

7 TDs

WR#21

you must have a lot of receivers having very good years next year

 

[Q-Bert]

70 receptions

1015 yards

7 TDs

WR#21

you must have a lot of receivers having very good years next year

As soon as I posted this I went and looked at what the number 21 WR last year had for stats (Reggie Wayne 1055 yards, 5 TDs). I think you are right my projections may be a bit high across the board.I think it is because for the most part I try not to predict injuries. A lot of the guys in the 15-25 range are there due to injury (either their's or a teamates), think Jurevicious, Kevin Curtis, and Donte Stallworth. The result is that I predict certain players to have higher statistics than is reasonable. However, I have found that my overall projections on a team basis are fairly accurate. Not sure how to adjust for this.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

He definitely represents the type of WR I like to go after starting in round 6.

I got him in the 16th round in a Zealot league.

Now that's value. That's just ridiculous.

 

[Spike]

He definitely represents the type of WR I like to go after starting in round 6.

I got him in the 16th round in a Zealot league.

Here's where Horn went in some recent Zealots Field league drafts (all dynasty):Z43 - 18.08

Z37 - 6.10

Z38 - 15.04

Z40 - 15.12

Z41 - 13.01

Z42 - 7.10

Z45 - 13.05

 

[H.K.]

H.K. Mar 4 2006, 08:43 AM Post #30 First, we need to look at things historically. From 2000-2004 here is what Horn did in his first five seasons with the Saints:- Played in 78 out of 80 games- Averaged 87 catches a season (high of 94, low of 78)- Averaged 1257 yards per season (high: 1399, low:973)- Averaged 9 TD's per season (high: 11, low 7)His numbers from 2005 were 49 catches for 654 and 1 TD in only 13 games (he really missed more time than that by leaving other games early), which were far below his averages. Obviously he was slowed by a hammy all season and the team was in complete disarray, so its not fair to write him off after one horrific season. Now we look to the future. -There will be many changes to personnel (especially QB) and scheme this year in New Orleans. -Horn will be 34, which is getting up there in age, but not too old for a WR. -The Saints should be ranked dead last in their division behind ATL, CAR, & TB, so 2006 may be a complete reclamation project. Also, a traditionally lousy Saints defense could provide for some garbage stats potential.-Younger WR talent in Henderson and Stallworth could steal opportunity, but McAllister is coming off knee surgery, so the likelihood of relying too much on Deuce is probably low.So what does it all mean? Horn's numbers probably will rely most on the incoming QB, so its a little early to project his output. However, I would think that regardless of QB, Horn will still be a primary focal point in the offense with a possession WR role as the younger guys spread the field. I think if Horn develops a relationship with the new QB and becomes sort of a safety blanket, Horn can have very nice value - especially in PPR leagues. Bottom line: Horn should be someone who you pay extremely close attention to in the pre-season. He is the perfect candidate to be undervalued and could be a steal if people rank him based solely on last season's numbers (which he was still on pace to catch 80 passes if he played in all 16 games BTW).

OK, now that I know Brees is there, I would think he could do 80 catches, 1050 yards & 7 TD's.

 

[Slinger]

He definitely represents the type of WR I like to go after starting in round 6.

I got him in the 16th round in a Zealot league.

Here's where Horn went in some recent Zealots Field league drafts (all dynasty):Z43 - 18.08

Z37 - 6.10

Z38 - 15.04

Z40 - 15.12

Z41 - 13.01

Z42 - 7.10

Z45 - 13.05

Okay, so it was 1 pick from being the 16th round.

 

[CalBear]

I heard that a butterfly landed on the bench that Chase Lyman was sitting on and it tore both of his ACL's and twisted his ankle.

Seriously though, I think Devery Henderson, Nate Poole, and even Michael Lewis rank ahead of Lyman on the depth chart. I am not expecting much from him. I think it was a wasted draft pick.

Hope you're right though.

Lyman has been an injury problem his whole career, sure. But the guy has crazy physical skills; far better than Henderson, and I would say better than Stallworth also. It's only a wasted draft pick if he can't get healthy.

 

[psychobillies]

I heard that a butterfly landed on the bench that Chase Lyman was sitting on and it tore both of his ACL's and twisted his ankle.

Seriously though, I think Devery Henderson, Nate Poole, and even Michael Lewis rank ahead of Lyman on the depth chart.  I am not expecting much from him.  I think it was a wasted draft pick.

Hope you're right though.

Lyman has been an injury problem his whole career, sure. But the guy has crazy physical skills; far better than Henderson, and I would say better than Stallworth also. It's only a wasted draft pick if he can't get healthy.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but didn't he only play a total of like 16 games throughout his college career? If true, I don't see how you can make that assesment based on such a small amount of games. Also at some point you have to realize that some people aren't built to play football and never will stay healthy. It's not their fault, but wouldn't you consider this guy to be in that category at this point?