I've watched the first hour and learned very little - Wilks hasn't proven anything he claims but rather is just being an ### to Kressler. Kressler, Wilks and Rogan aren't experts.
Term - you are right that Rogan does give too much credence to alternative experts and conspiracy theorists but I think putting that claim on Kressler is misguided. I've heard him numerous times and I wouldn't classify him as that. He may not be an expert but he's not out espousing crackpot theories. In fact, of the two I'd say his philosophy of "some" animal protein being ok for some/most people has more evidence than the claims Wilks made of meat and dairy conclusively being bad for you.
Yeah, the first hour was terrible. It gets better after that. The B12 and protein segments are much more informative, and a little less inflammatory.
You and I have had some back-and-forth wrt low carbohydrate, animal protein/fat containing diets, so I think you know my stance. In the podcast, Kresser came across very accepting of plant-based diets, but kinda underplayed what he’s promoting on his website. His basic premise seems to be diets containing high quality animal protein in addition to plants are healthiest, but there’s really no data to support that assertion. Essentially, he is a low carbohydrate proponent, but creates his own thresholds for what constitutes low, below what major dietary guidelines define. The end result is a little misleading IMO, as the diet he advocates is effectively very low carbohydrate, prioritizing animal fats and proteins, with some plants also included, in part to modulate the oxidative stress created by the animal products. Wilks was arguing (and I agree) that the preponderance of nutrition literature suggests a diet where plants are central and animal products are minimized, if not eliminated entirely (though admittedly, evidence for complete veganism is limited). FWIW, those diets tend to be high carbohydrate, nowhere near the macronutrient content suggested by Kresser. And although both guys speak out against “nutritionism”, from what I can tell, Kresser mentions fats, proteins and carbohydrates frequently on his website.
But fundamentally, no one can completely refute the idea that “some” animal protein is OK. OK doesn’t equate to healthiest, however. Moreover, individual differences in genetics and the gut microbiome make a one-size fits all approach foolish - both guys acknowledge this. That being said, some general patterns are consistent in long-lived populations, and they ain’t paleo by any stretch of the imagination.
Full disclosure: knowing Kresser is to some extent anti-vaccine and summarily discounts the role saturated fats have in atherogenesis + utility of HMG CoA reductase inhibitors (“statins”) detracts from his credibility in my eyes. And ignorance of forest plots seriously calls his ability to interpret the literature into question.