I benched Spiller as well this week for Joique. No Doubt that Spiller has more individual speed and talent, but they are playing the Jets and I just don't know what to expect from Spiller against a tough matchup yet. Joique Bell actually has a high floor in PPR for this game, in my opinion.
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Chaka
Footballguy
Far greater? Spiller is getting 21 touches/game. How many touches do you expect Bell to receive today? I imagine they will receive similar opportunities today.
Again there is no question that Bell could outperform Spiller but that doesn't make it a good decision IMO. And if Bell does outperform Spiller it wouldn't make it a good decision in retrospect, just a lucky one. Spiller is one of a handful of guys who can single handedly win your week (or if you must qualify it "he has a far greater probability to single handedly win your week than all but a handful of guys").
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Er, you might want to look up what Spiller did against the Jets in both games last year.
Having said that, I am big on Joique Bell today. Not saying I would start him over Spiller, but the potential is there for Bell to have a big day.
ponchsox
Footballguy
We'll find out later today in the bragging and venting thread. I have a feeling we are going to see a lot of "WTF was I thinking benching Spiller for Bell?"
Short Corner
Footballguy
WilsonTheVolleyball
Footballguy
That's as convenient of an argument as I've ever heard. Look, no one is saying that Bell should always be played over Spiller. But Based on talent, Adrian Peterson he is not. Based on situation, Jamaal Charles he is not.
If I'm completely wrong and look like a moron, then I'll be here to own up to it. Chaka can feel free to put me on the prison stocks so everyone can point and laugh.We'll find out later today in the bragging and venting thread. I have a feeling we are going to see a lot of "WTF was I thinking benching Spiller for Bell?"
You are correct. I was only looking at his rushing yardage, so my mistake there.
timschochet
Footballguy
70 yards and a TD already.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Top 5 prediction was no joique.
OU#1
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
He's great today. And he's a must start every time Bush is out. But when Bush is in the starting lineup, Bell's touches just aren't enough to start, IMO.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
..and WAS will give another RB a career day. This trend is real.
timschochet
Footballguy
I might need to reconsider this post.timschochet said:
The thing is, if the Lions have the lead in games in the 3rd and 4th quarter, Bell may be getting a lot of carries. Reggie Bush isn't exactly the sort of guy you want to take the air out of the ball. Bell is.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Yeah, but the Lions really aren't team I regularly expect to have leads in the second halves of games. They did last week and barely did anything on offense in the second half.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
Bell 4 receptions, 132 total yards, 1 TD, no fumbles
Peterson 6 receptions, 115 total yards, 1 TD, 1 fumble
If you're in a PPR league that doesn't penalize for fumbles, Peterson was the right call. Otherwise, it was Joique Bell by a nose.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Dammit you got to it before me. I was waiting to bump that after the dude came in here to piss all over this thread.
It was surprisingly hard to find video of Bell from last year. Enjoy! As you will see, he was the same beast last year as he is this year.
http://shelf3d.com/dnkbU3vErYM#Joique Bell Highlights 2012-2013
http://shelf3d.com/dnkbU3vErYM#Joique Bell Highlights 2012-2013
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Short Corner
Footballguy
jbalicki10
Footballguy
I have a start 2 RB, with .5 PPR with Bush,Bell,Spiller,Jackson, Lacey(Bye)
Actually thinking of starting BOTH Bush and Bell over Spiller....
Actually thinking of starting BOTH Bush and Bell over Spiller....
UFGator0587
Footballguy
Wouldn't be surprised to see Bell continue to get the majority of the looks at the goal line. He ran hard and broke a lot of tackles in the red zone on Sunday. He's certainly the more physical runner and the better finisher at this point.
Lions have a pretty damn good combo going with Bush/Bell.
Lions have a pretty damn good combo going with Bush/Bell.
We Tigers
Footballguy
Bell already had 11 and 13 touches when Bush did play. I don't see that number going down after Bush returns from an injury. This week might be iffy since the Bears have a decent defense and have only given up 7 receptions to running backs in the first 3 games. I'll probably still be starting him out of necessity in an injury riddled lineup, though.
DreamTheater
Footballguy
Got offered Bell for Rice today in a ppr dynasty league...intriguing.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
How startable is he with Bush back? The kid has great hands and can run strong as well. More of a rotation than prior weeks moving forward?
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Question: How do you pronounce his name? I've heard some announcers call him "Joy"-k, and others call him joe-kay.
mikel0254
Footballguy
hoopvillian
Footballguy
I always imagine Curly calling Moe a jerk when I pronounce his name.
FF Wiseguy
Footballguy
I think it's "Joy"-k.
In my PPR keeper league, I'm thinking of offering him straight up for David Wilson. Bell would cost $10 to keep next year, Wilson would cost $25.
I've been a believer in Wilson from the start, so getting him now would be nice. But even so, I have a feeling Bell will continue to be productive even with Bush back, and if his situation were to change next year, he could be a good value at only $10 to keep (for context, someone like Gio Bernard will cost $26 to keep).
In my PPR keeper league, I'm thinking of offering him straight up for David Wilson. Bell would cost $10 to keep next year, Wilson would cost $25.
I've been a believer in Wilson from the start, so getting him now would be nice. But even so, I have a feeling Bell will continue to be productive even with Bush back, and if his situation were to change next year, he could be a good value at only $10 to keep (for context, someone like Gio Bernard will cost $26 to keep).
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
thanks, that clears it up for me. so kind of like saying "jerk" with a thick New Jersey accent.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
He is startable every week. Even not counting his touchdowns in Week 1, he still put up very good RB2 numbers. And given Bush's tendency to get dinged up and leave a game, Bell could go from getting 10-12 touches in a game to 20+.
VaTerp
Footballguy
I've been on hesitant to get fully on board the J. Bell train as I don't think he will continue to put up these numbers for a number of reasons.
But he did well this past week and due to byes/underperformance/etc. will be in my lineup again this week. Hopefully he continues to put up numbers but when Bush is available he adds a dynamic to the offense that Bell cannot replicate and there will be weeks where he simply doesn't get enough touches.
But with the way RBs in general seem to be performing so far, I'm happy to have Bell rostered and he's looking like my best flex option for the time being.
But he did well this past week and due to byes/underperformance/etc. will be in my lineup again this week. Hopefully he continues to put up numbers but when Bush is available he adds a dynamic to the offense that Bell cannot replicate and there will be weeks where he simply doesn't get enough touches.
But with the way RBs in general seem to be performing so far, I'm happy to have Bell rostered and he's looking like my best flex option for the time being.
mikel0254
Footballguy
That's exactly why Bell should continue to get at least 10-15 touches a game. Because they see how brittle Bush is...they have a legit chance at the Wild Card this year, they're going to do everything to ensure Bush is there to help all year. Bush and Bell are both excelling in this offense, and they will both get touches. I think Bush is a RB1 when he plays, and Bell is a high flex/low RB2 when he plays with Bush in the game.
Sure, and it's entirely possible this is how it unfolds, but I'm just pointing out that we don't know what they were/are thinking yet in terms of touches when Bush plays a full game since he's yet to do so.
False Start
Footballguy
Smart people got on board a long time ago. Everyone is always scared to jump on the non sexy guy. I just like to jump on upside and production and he is producing. Say it any way you like but he is a top 7 RB in every league I'm in.
VaTerp
Footballguy
True but how long will a backup RB keep up top 10 status. Bush has clearly shown that when healthy he is a RB1. Can this offense continue to sustain two top FF Rbs? I'm not so sure.
Bell is a great player to have on your roster considering the ROI thus far and his value both while Bush is in the lineup and especially when Reggie is out. But I just wonder how sustainable Bell's numbers are with Bush in the lineup and if some regression to the mean here is inevitable.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
25, 12 & 22 in my PPR which is good enough for a 19.7 average and 6th best RB after 3 weeks.
Didnt Chicago also lose a key defender this week as well?
I'm riding until the wheels fall off
Didnt Chicago also lose a key defender this week as well?
I'm riding until the wheels fall off
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Will the Lions perhaps have Reggie split out more and Bell in the backfield given the Burlseson injury?
GrantK
Footballguy
T with T
Footballguy
I see your point and I think you are making good points and playing devils advocate but let me give you an example.. Sproles is similar to Bell not in size but sorta in role. Bell may not run a ton of carries but will always get you 6 + catches and has a chance to put in a gl score so he should be able to put up top 10 numbers with or without bush..... I see where your coming from but Think fred Jackson but better.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Historically, Bush (when healthy) saw an increase in check downs when Moore went down in NO. It's quite possible that in Nate's absence Bush and Bell see even more of a bump in PPR.
Personally, I think Bell is an every week starter in PPR regardless.
Personally, I think Bell is an every week starter in PPR regardless.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Yep, the Bears lost Pro Bowl DT Henry Melton. That could definitely help Joique.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
A few weeks ago offered Stafford + Joique Bell for Aaron Rodgers. Denied.
Countered with Stafford/DMC. Accepted!
Can't tell you how happy I am that my opening salvo got rejected. Whew!
Countered with Stafford/DMC. Accepted!
Can't tell you how happy I am that my opening salvo got rejected. Whew!
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