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need to get ahead of the curve but will be a must add come after sunday.

not wishing for anyones downfall but this is a business. the next man needs to always be ready and dwyer is the next man should he be called upon. and he will.

 
drake_ovo said:
need to get ahead of the curve but will be a must add come after sunday.

not wishing for anyones downfall but this is a business. the next man needs to always be ready and dwyer is the next man should he be called upon. and he will.
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Lacy owners may have just found their week 2 fill-in

 
He's second up and before the Ellington injury he was goal line back. Now he's a starter and goal line back to boot. A must add.

 
question is who would you drop for him, Shonn Greene? Devonta Freeman, Ahmad Bradshaw? I'm not asking about those guys specifically, just trying to establish the right range.

 
Skinsfan said:
question is who would you drop for him, Shonn Greene? Devonta Freeman, Ahmad Bradshaw? I'm not asking about those guys specifically, just trying to establish the right range.
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Good question. Sorry to turn this into an AC post, but I'm trying to get an idea about Dwyer's value. I have Bradshaw and DeAngelo Williams, and I'm considering dropping DeAngelo for Dwyer. Dwyer has a shot at better numbers than the bums you listed, though I probably wouldn't drop Greene for him.

What RBs are you guys dropping for Dwyer?

 
Sounds like he's only going to be a weekly stopgap. Reports coming out Ellington's issue is a muscle, nothing broken or serious. I wouldn't drop anyone of value unless you own Ellington.

 
He has already been picked up in any league I am in that has had an open waivers. I don't think you will be getting a jump on anyone.

 
I dropped Terrance West for him, since I already have Jeremy Hill as a good depth rookie, and the reports on West haven't been great.

 
Is Dwyer really worth anything though beyond a stop-gap measure? There always seems to be this tendency to jump on these Breaking News replacements when in reality, even if you get Dwyer, he's no better than an emergency start, right?

 
bocksheesh said:
Is Dwyer really worth anything though beyond a stop-gap measure? There always seems to be this tendency to jump on these Breaking News replacements when in reality, even if you get Dwyer, he's no better than an emergency start, right?
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while you're probably right, in most leagues there aren't any starting RB's available at all. so even though he's a plodder and might not get you much (if anythign) the potential woukd still be greater (IMO) than trying to add some random b/u RB and hope he gets you a point or 2.And with the way fantasy football has become (this forum is evidence), as soon as any news breaks, you need to act fast or someone else will.

 
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My rule of thumb for free agent pickups is they clearly have to be in a better situation than the last player on my bench for that position. In this case,I'm not cutting Moreno for Dwyer. While you have to act quick if you want someone, sometimes you have to take the emotion out of it by jumping based on breaking news.

 
Dwyers a guy who will gets what's blocked for him, run behind his pads, and is at least a capable receiver.

His issue is he lacks any vision or creativity. If his designed lane is closed he will run right up his OLs back even if there's an obvious hole even one gap away.

If he gets starts, he will go as far as the OL can carry him.

I've heard he's motivated and finally in some semblence of decent condition. It probably speaks well for him that Arians is familiar with him from his time in Pitt and choose to bring him in.

Folks could do worse as far as waiver claims go.

 
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Just added him as a Free Agent.

Will probably be dropping him this same time next week after he puts up 13 carries for 39 yards.

 
My questions with Dwyer has always been the same -- as of today, what kind of shape is he in?

Guy can put up numbers if he's in shape and ready to go, but that hasn't always been the case with him.

How were camp reports sounding...people optimistic he was ready?

 
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ROYALWITCHEESE said:
My bet is Ellington is going to play and look fine.
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agreed!
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While I am contending people should wait before they insist that Ellington is gone fore a long time, I also suggest the same for those thinking he is going to play Sunday night with no questions asked. Prognosticating is great and all, but since I own this guy in my only dynasty and in a work redraft, I hope you are right.

 
We've barely started week 1. Didn't you guys draft backup RBs?

And why wouldn't you start them over a crappy option like Dwyer? Someone like Jeremy Hill or Darren Sproles is likely to give you more points than Dwyer. I'm not saying you'll find those guys on the wire, but they are in the range of backup guys in most drafts.

I've never understood the need to pick up handcuffs that are bound to disappoint. If your guy misses time, you aren't forced to fill that slot with a guy from the same team.

 
So who do you drop for Dwyer, given the uncertainty of Ellington's injury, the potential split Dwyer might see with Taylor if Ellington is out, and the long term prospects of Dwyer if Ellington's injury lingers?

I've always had a hard time before week one to make these kinds of moves. Drafted Dunbar as the deep stash lottery ticket, and still believe he makes the more of his role than a guy like Dwyer, but there is a more concrete situation with Dwyer and given the worry many beat writers have expressed about Ellington's health being more than a one week thing. The fact that Dwyer already had a role on the team is good, too. On the downside, it could just as easily be Stepfan Taylor who comes in and splits the longer work and earlier downs, making Dwyer no better/more valuable than he was before.

And how do these guys stack up against a guy like Benny Cunningham who has outshined the starter so far and could likely take over the role, but no guarantee if and when that happens?

I usually tend to wait after Week One when I have a better idea what situation looks more solid (discounting what I think are one week flukes a la Ogletree), and let other guys drop value from their squad as they take the risk before any games or played. Nothing about Dwyer makes me feel like he simply takes the starting job and puts up big numbers.

I just have a hard time sitting on the sidelines and missing out on potential value.

 
I'm not overly excited about the cardinals backfield to begin with let alone without Ellington. I look at my team and at this point I feel like there isn't a person I would drop for Dwyer or anyone else in that backfield without seeing some performance. They still play in the toughest defensive division in football and have a weaker oline.

 
fat guy that flops in the endzone once in awhile, with the injury he has some value in TD heavy leagues

If he dont work out, cut him for the next flavor of the day

 
LittlePhatty said:
We've barely started week 1. Didn't you guys draft backup RBs?

And why wouldn't you start them over a crappy option like Dwyer? Someone like Jeremy Hill or Darren Sproles is likely to give you more points than Dwyer. I'm not saying you'll find those guys on the wire, but they are in the range of backup guys in most drafts.

I've never understood the need to pick up handcuffs that are bound to disappoint. If your guy misses time, you aren't forced to fill that slot with a guy from the same team.
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This is a good posting.

 
Someone in my league dropped Wes Welker for him today- fwiw - and I'm not sure he's worth that just yet. I can understand in 12-14 team leagues, sure you cut garbage. Unless the Cardinals OL is better than the Steelers, I see him more as a flex option.

 
LittlePhatty said:
We've barely started week 1. Didn't you guys draft backup RBs?

And why wouldn't you start them over a crappy option like Dwyer? Someone like Jeremy Hill or Darren Sproles is likely to give you more points than Dwyer. I'm not saying you'll find those guys on the wire, but they are in the range of backup guys in most drafts.

I've never understood the need to pick up handcuffs that are bound to disappoint. If your guy misses time, you aren't forced to fill that slot with a guy from the same team.
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I would actually prefer Dwyer to Hill or Sproles if Ellington is out.... ha.

As mediocre as Dwyer is, he'll get the majority of carries and GL. Is Sproles getting more then 6 carries? ... Is Hill catching any passes or getting 12+ carries? Probably no on both fronts.

 
While I like to see the best for Dwyer, if you have to play him week 1, I would say your draft did not go as planned.

 
So competing against Ellington and Lacy owners, how much FAAB you think Dwyer worth at this point? I'm thin at RB.

 
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Whether you add or drop him will be based on your roster makeup. If you feel like he has the chance and potentially has more upside than the last guy on your bench, sure go ahead and add him. He is not an automatic add though.

FWIW, I dropped Shonn Greene to pick him up. Not starting him but will hold and wait and see how this plays out.

 
Run It Up said:
AAABatteries said:
Is Dwyer for sure the starter now?
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From the looks of it, Dwyer is the clear #2.
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What makes you say that? The reports I have seen speculate he is the #2 since he was expected to get the GL carries. Does that make him automatically get the bulk if Ellington is out?

I guess until they play this weekend, who really knows. Probably worth a stash if you can grab him freely and not drop anyone in a better spot or more talented.

 
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Run It Up said:
AAABatteries said:
Is Dwyer for sure the starter now?
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From the looks of it, Dwyer is the clear #2.
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What makes you say that? The reports I have seen speculate he is the #2 since he was expected to get the GL carries. Does that make him automatically get the bulk if Ellington is out?

I guess until they play this weekend, who really knows. Probably worth a stash if you can grab him freely and not drop anyone in a better spot or more talented.
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Because he has been playing ahead of Taylor all preseason and has gotten first team reps this preseason.

 
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Dwyer sucks. Don't get your hopes up. But he's going against SD this week so maybe a good fill-in. That's about it.
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Taylors not great either, but Dwyer had some good performances in Pittsburgh, its just workload at this point. Might not matter at all.
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imo dwyer has had the chance to be the guy before and has failed. I know its only preseason but dwyer sucked. I dont like either but id rather gamble on the cards 5th rd pick last year.
 
ldizzle said:
Run It Up said:
LargeMouthBass said:
Dwyer sucks. Don't get your hopes up. But he's going against SD this week so maybe a good fill-in. That's about it.
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Taylors not great either, but Dwyer had some good performances in Pittsburgh, its just workload at this point. Might not matter at all.
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imo dwyer has had the chance to be the guy before and has failed. I know its only preseason but dwyer sucked. I dont like either but id rather gamble on the cards 5th rd pick last year.
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what are you basing your opinion on? In his career, Dwyer has averaged 4.7 ypc when starting. 14 carries for just over 65 yards per game. Granted this is only 6 games. Just confused on how you came to your conclusion.
 
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