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Jordan Reed - TE - SF (2 Viewers)
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dickey moe
Fingerpicker
LOL
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
They need to check to see if he has a ######. That might explain things.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
putting your pants on is dangerous.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
JaxBill
Footballguy
Jordan Reed wishes he was as durable as Fred Taylor. Taylor started 15+ games four years and 13 or 14 games 3 more years.
Reed has only played in 20 games (6 starts) over 2 years, catching 95 career balls.
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
Someone please direct me to the
Niles Paul (TE) Hype Trainthread.
TYIA
Niles Paul (TE) Hype Trainthread.
TYIA
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
everybody just shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh about Niles Paul
georg013
Footballguy
Is this guy really worth sshhhhing over? He is 6'1 for goodness sake. Everyone knows you have to be 6'3 or taller to be effective. What good is a Sammy Watkins sized TE quarterbacked by RGIII? Am I missing something or is this a deep sleeper? Traded Reed, Hakeem Nicks, and Poz for the 1.05 last season. Then wasted the pick on Ebron one pick before ODB. Glad to see he is still a bum.
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
I like Reeds talent, not his health. Paul? His talent is nothing special.
The hype train is funny. Why is it the backup to anyone is always hyped like they are the next big star when they get a break because of injury?
As someone said, he is 6'1" and 240. So he is a short fat TE. He isnt any special talent and he plays for the skins?
Am I missing something?
The hype train is funny. Why is it the backup to anyone is always hyped like they are the next big star when they get a break because of injury?
As someone said, he is 6'1" and 240. So he is a short fat TE. He isnt any special talent and he plays for the skins?
Am I missing something?
Don't tell this to the Jordan Reed owners. He's only 6'2". But you are right. Neither Paul or Reed were effective as TE last year. Paul was only top 7 in scoring the 4 weeks of the season he started. Gross. Reed only puts up top 10 TE numbers when healthy. Ew. And Delanie Walker at 6'0"? Forget about it.
Paul is also talented. Converted WR with good speed and ball skills. If you didn't get a chance to watch him in the first 4 games last year, then I can understand your skepticism. He can easily step into the starting TE role and put up top 10 TE numbers. Reed is only an inch taller yet 4lbs lighter, so technically Paul is better built for the position
Shutout
Footballguy
I recall coming out of college, many people compared the game style of Reed to Hernandez. I think that is what keeps people optimistic because IF he is healthy and IF the team were to use him in that role, he would have an incredible amount of value.
MattFancy
Footballguy
In 2013, through 9 games:
45rec, 499yds, 3 TDs
For a full season that would be: 80rec, 887yds, 5 TDs
In 2014, through 11 games:
50rec, 465yds, 0 TDs
When healthy, he's been able to produce at a pretty high level. That's why there's so much hype around him. He just can't stay healthy.
georg013
Footballguy
A minor string of good games does not translate to a full season of top 10 production. Sorry. Until one of these guys puts up a 16 game, top 10 season, they are not worth the cart they rolled in on. No need to keep quiet about this guy. Newsflash, you can probably get him for free. Until one of them produces at a consistent level, they are no better than the scrubs you'll find on the waiver wire.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Jor dan Re ed, WAS TE
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Taylor was a great player. But he mostly earned the Fragile Fred moniker in his first four seasons.In years 2-4, he missed 6, 3 and 14 games, a total of 23, nearly a half season per year AVERAGE in that span.
Later he went on to become more resilient and durable, maybe Reed can, too?
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Shutout
Footballguy
yeah, he was actually pretty good down the stretch. Just, like you said, missed a lot of time early hen hopes were the highest (like Reed now). I hope he can. Most of his problems have been hamstring-related and I remember Andre Bruce and Dante Stallworth having those kind of issues. So here's to wishing the best.
Shutout
Footballguy
So much of ff is predicting the trend and not reacting to it (in dynasty, anyways) that's hard to say and buy. Everyone wants to be the guy that knows Reed won't ever shake this and leave the headache to someone else OR wants to be the guy that knows this was just a bad bugaboo stretch and get him cheap now. So you are going to have polarized opinions.
Sunday Devil
Footballguy
Traded him for Jordan Cameron last year. I must say I am feeling pretty good about it,even though Cameron comes with his own crappy issues
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Good point about Bruce. Fixing it reportedly as simple as changing his stretching regimen. Stallworth was just a super tightly wound dude. Miles Austin supposedly changed his stretching regimen (not sure if he consulted with Bruce?), and was able to play more last year - now in PHI.Shutout said:
Taylor was recently cited as a comp for Todd Gurley by a personnel exec in a Daniel Jeremiah article at NFL.com, which he concurred with. I was prompted to check out his stats relative to Eric Dickerson. If you factor in that Taylor basically missed two full seasons worth of games, his career rushing yardage and TD numbers would have been a lot closer to Dickerson than many realize. Dickerson is easily one of the greatest RBs I've ever seen (not in person - with Gale Sayers, Jim Brown, O.J. Simpson, Earl Campbell, Bo Jackson, Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson), and received a turbocharge in his career numbers with the greatest rookie and vet rushing seasons ever back-to-back, in his first two years.
So I needed to be reminded of how productive Taylor was when healthy. If Gurley can avoid the fragile tag but be as productive as Taylor was at his best, as a Rams fan, I'll be very happy.
* Don't get me wrong, though, I wouldn't bank on Reed, and find a continued injury prone tag likely hard to shed for him until proven otherwise. For every Taylor and Bruce, there are probably a lot more that sustain the earlier pattern. He is potentially a good plan B for the risk tolerant, but hopefully others have better options. There is a point where value is so depressed it makes holding a better option, but I would trade Reed for Cameron in a heartbeat.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
He was just outright dropped in my 12 team dynasty Superflex. I was a bit 
The talent is there plain as day. That's half the battle at least. IF, and it's a reasonably large if, he can return to full health I thinks he's another Hernandez.
The talent is there plain as day. That's half the battle at least. IF, and it's a reasonably large if, he can return to full health I thinks he's another Hernandez.
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JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Geez. So the redskins are convinced enough of Reed's talent that they want to feature him. But they're going to keep him off the field and give Paul reps even when Reed is healthy because they can't trust Reed to stay healthy?
I don't buy that.
The guy is as fragile as they come. But there's no magic snap-count where he stays healthy. If he's more talented than Paul and he's healthy, he's going to play in front of Paul until he gets hurt. If it's a committee, it's because Reed is nursing an injury and isn't hurt enough to sit but isn't healthy enough to put Paul back on the bench.
I'm going to have to see the Redskins put a 100% healthy Reed on the bench before I believe they are intentionally running a committee on these two.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Say I'm a believer that past injuries are no predictors of future injuries (I think the numbers support this). If Reed had no injury flags, where would you rank him in dynasty? Top 10? Top 20?
It's not a committee just Rotoworld being way off base. I think their earlier reports suggested Paul was the frontrunner for the job. Now they are spinning out of that silly comment a bit and lowering it to it being a committee. At least they are getting closer to the truth. Reed is the full time starter and Paul is really nice backup.
If healthy I'd put him in top 10 and easily and say he's a legit contender for top 5. I'd also add I play in mainly 1.5 PPR TE leagues so I'm looking at him in relation to those leagues where I'd say he has more value relative to other TE's as he's shown to be more high volume receiver than TD maker.
Another way of looking at it. Injuries have limited him in some games and knocked him out early of some games so I think he's better than this but if you just ignore all of that and simply take him on a per game basis in 1.5 PPR leagues he averaged 12.8 points a game and that's with only scoring a TD in close once every 7 games.
That would be good enough to rank him as TE#8 last year in 1.5 PPR leagues.
Also I saw Rotoworld or someone bash him for his low YPC last year as a sign of injuries sapping him. Reality is he ranked third in the NFL among qualifying TE's last year in yards per pass route run, trailing only Gronk and Kelce.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
shark move to buy TE Jordan Reed
last year, the oft injured D/Murray was my #1 target - it worked well as did the hamstring injured OBJ early last season
buying potential has excellent payoff's sometimes - Reed is one of those risks that I see as grand reward right now
last year, the oft injured D/Murray was my #1 target - it worked well as did the hamstring injured OBJ early last season
buying potential has excellent payoff's sometimes - Reed is one of those risks that I see as grand reward right now
Thunderlips
Footballguy
In light of this news....bump Finley.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I tend to agree, but the coaches love Paul and he gets better every year. Now, part of the reason he got the contract he did was due to ST's ability, so that doesn't mean much. But if he's a much better blocker than Reed, Reed could lose snaps to him. Reed should be flexed out more often than not anyways, but its not out of the question.
Per PFF Reed has graded out considerably better than Paul as a run blocker for the past two seasons.
I did a lot of research on this over a month ago and read multiple items from several Redskins beat writers and none of them suggested Reed was not the starter. Honestly only place I've seen anyone keep suggesting it's a battle is Rotoworld.
Paul might be the Knile Davis of TE's in terms of handcuffs, quite likely the best handcuff TE in the NFL and an instant fantasy starter if/when Reed is out, at least in TE premium leagues. I'm surprised no one offered him a chance to start when he was a FA this off-season but the only way he starts over Reed is if Reeds health lets him down again-which if course is more likely than not to happen.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I agree, I don't think its a battle for the starting position. But I do think its a battle for snaps.
Shutout
Footballguy
Reed is one of the few (of the many) "not-elite" Tes that I feel good about getting at his price. I think he can be had relatively cheap and could easily be an every week starter. Some guys just always seen to be snake-bitten with injury but at some point, he's got to go the Fred Taylor route and sacrifice a chicken or whatever and get on the good side of karma. IF he can stay healthy, he'll be a good play for the guys that don't have the elites (just as much upside as any of a number of other guys).
Faust
MVP
Redskins TE Jordan Reed alters habits to keep himself healthy:
http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/18705/redskins-te-jordan-reed-alters-habits-to-keep-himself-healthy
http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/18705/redskins-te-jordan-reed-alters-habits-to-keep-himself-healthy
