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JT's "From the Tape" (1 Viewer)

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This is a great column/write-up. The time to sit down and watch all 16 games, then post bullet points on many of the key players and angles in the game is outstanding. Do I agree with everything? Absolutely not but these kind of write-ups are invaluable. Great job Jeff, looking forward to this.

 
One of my favorite reads this morning.

Only complaint is they throw so many articles at the wall that good things get missed. Not sure how to fix it but site organization needs an upgrade in 2013.

 
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Couldn't agree more. This is a fantastic addition.
It is a working man's best friend going into the weekend. I only wish they would put a little space maybe between each bullet point just to make it slightly easier to read but it's chocked full of goodies. A lot of us just cannot watch every single snap, in fact I venture to guess there are not many in here that do that on any regular basis.
One of my favorite reads this morning. Only complaint is they throw so many articles at the wall that good things get missed. Not sure how to fix it but site organization needs an upgrade in 2013.
But now we know and I plan on trying to generate a weekly discussion about it. One thing I disagreed with Jeff on was Matt Schaub. I thought he looked very crisp and had Lester Jean hung on to the ball you could have added another 50/TD to his numbers. I'm sure JT is thinking against better defenses that Schaub could be in some trouble. But that's what is good about these, so much info and so many things to look at and think about.
 
One of my favorite reads this morning. Only complaint is they throw so many articles at the wall that good things get missed. Not sure how to fix it but site organization needs an upgrade in 2013.
Agree. did not even know it existed although I am sure it has been mentioned in the daily e-mail in the part I always skip over to get to the news.... :bag:
 
Good read, but gave me a headache trying to read it by the time I got to the Miami-Houston breakdown. I had to copy and paste it onto a word document, re-size the font and break it up. Just bad editing.

There were a few nuggets I thought were interesting:

The sharp criticism of Ahmad Bradshaw despite having a great fantasy scoring day.

The breakdown of how Ogletree was put into position to breakout. Good analysis of how he did it.

Glowing review of Houston WR Lestar Jean who may be flying under the radar right now.

Aldrick Robinson could have had a 2nd TD if not for an interference call, but more importantly is considered a potential Pierre Garcon handcuff. Good to know.

None of the Detroit RB's are showing enough to keep the job from going back to Leshoure when he comes back from suspension. hmmm..

Keep an eye on St Louis WR Chris Givens despite Sam Bradford looking like the next David Carr (skittish, undecisive)

Michael Turner is done.

Stay away from Cleveland for fantasy purposes.

Willis McGahee also looks done.

None of the Steeler RB's are taking away Rashard Mendenhall's job once he gets back.

 
Good read, but gave me a headache trying to read it by the time I got to the Miami-Houston breakdown. I had to copy and paste it onto a word document, re-size the font and break it up. Just bad editing. There were a few nuggets I thought were interesting: The sharp criticism of Ahmad Bradshaw despite having a great fantasy scoring day. The breakdown of how Ogletree was put into position to breakout. Good analysis of how he did it.Glowing review of Houston WR Lestar Jean who may be flying under the radar right now.Aldrick Robinson could have had a 2nd TD if not for an interference call, but more importantly is considered a potential Pierre Garcon handcuff. Good to know.None of the Detroit RB's are showing enough to keep the job from going back to Leshoure when he comes back from suspension. hmmm..Keep an eye on St Louis WR Chris Givens despite Sam Bradford looking like the next David Carr (skittish, undecisive)Michael Turner is done.Stay away from Cleveland for fantasy purposes.Willis McGahee also looks done.None of the Steeler RB's are taking away Rashard Mendenhall's job once he gets back.
Sounds like great content - but i am not a subscriber. The part that raises the eyebrow is Lester Jean - 1 catch for 9 yards on 2 targets - and a glowing review? Guess I would know if I subscribed.
 
Sounds like great content - but i am not a subscriber. The part that raises the eyebrow is Lester Jean - 1 catch for 9 yards on 2 targets - and a glowing review? Guess I would know if I subscribed.
Rookie, 1st game, he had a 50 yd TD in his hands on the 1st drive but just could not keep possession, but he got both feet in and had he managed to maintain possession he would have been one of the 3 hottest pick ups in most leagues. Houston is dying for a WR2 IMO to help loosen these defenses up and Lester Jean looks the part. You read a box score: 2 targets...doesn't tell the whole story and that is the beauty of what JT is trying to put together. This place knows I don't usually run around trumpeting columns although I absolutely love the site but when I heard about this and then I see the finished product I have to give it some props. Treat yourself to a subscription, you'll be glad you did.
 
Great Article... can't find it without the link that was provided... where is it at so I can check it out next week hah?

 
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Great Article... can't find it without the link that was provided... where is it at so I can check it out next week hah?
Due to the fact he has to write it all up on all 16 games, i don't believe it will be out until Thursdays. It was not on the docket initially when you looked at the week ahead but I had heard JT was putting this together. I had to search for it as well. I expect this thread to get bumped weekly and if I have to I will post a link for the subscribers to make sure they find it. Most of the staff turn their articles over to an editor who then posts it and i agree with others that a few more spaces would make it easier to read but it is jammed full of opinions and takes, imagine if someone at one of the major news outlets were doing this weekly.T this column is written IMO for the person who might not see every game and wants to know more than just the box score.
 
I'll give more credit where credit is due...Footballguys game writeups. They are MUCH better than they have been in past years. Lots more detail and RELEVANT fantasy info.

 
I'll give more credit where credit is due...Footballguys game writeups. They are MUCH better than they have been in past years. Lots more detail and RELEVANT fantasy info.
I agree that the game recaps can be very valuable. JT's is more of a bullet point list and you can also go back and read the recaps to see differing opinions.
 
I do like this even if it just points out some things for me to go back and examine more closely.

I find it interesting he thinks Jamaal Charles is a step slow because he was caught from behind on his 46 yard run in the 2nd quarter. I had actually caught this play live but went back later to look at it again to see why he got caught as I also found it curious.

I think its pretty clear from multiple angles that Moore had the angle on him and swiped his feet causing him to slightly lose his balance. By the time he got back to full speed, Decoud had closed enough to dive at his feet and barely get him.

Step slow? Maybe...maybe not...but we don't know based on this IMO.

Good read though.

 
Love love love this column. Really great stuff. Reading now over morning :coffee:

Just got to Saints. Interesting to read Devery injury could open door for Joe Morgan who I know little about.

Any saints homers shed some light on this udfa? Worth a preemptive pick up in that offense?

 
I do like this even if it just points out some things for me to go back and examine more closely.I find it interesting he thinks Jamaal Charles is a step slow because he was caught from behind on his 46 yard run in the 2nd quarter. I had actually caught this play live but went back later to look at it again to see why he got caught as I also found it curious.I think its pretty clear from multiple angles that Moore had the angle on him and swiped his feet causing him to slightly lose his balance. By the time he got back to full speed, Decoud had closed enough to dive at his feet and barely get him.Step slow? Maybe...maybe not...but we don't know based on this IMO.Good read though.
:goodposting: this was one of the few places where I disagreed with JT. shoestring tackle showed JC down, he was about to pull away from Decoud anyway. w/o the foot swipe, he is gone for 80 yd TD. I'm buying JC in as many leagues as I can.
 
just want to thank jeff as well. nice feature. great addition to the recaps. would love to see other fbg contributors input any dissenting opinions like bloom just did too.

 
BTW, not trying to steal JT's thunder at all, b/c this is awesome, but I am also writing up some film review notes on Tuesdays:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2012/12bloom_filmroom2.php
Good write ups. So you're ready to put RG3 in the top tier of QBs already? Wow.
 
BTW, not trying to steal JT's thunder at all, b/c this is awesome, but I am also writing up some film review notes on Tuesdays:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2012/12bloom_filmroom2.php
Good write ups. So you're ready to put RG3 in the top tier of QBs already? Wow.
I think I agree with Bloom that RG3 is on the level of Rodgers/Brady/Brees/Newton/Stafford level going forward. What I think we all want to know is which receiving options benefit from RG3's elite status? Other than Garcon and Davis, there's a lot of potential value on the waiver wire.
 
Sounds like great content - but i am not a subscriber.

The part that raises the eyebrow is Lester Jean - 1 catch for 9 yards on 2 targets - and a glowing review?

Guess I would know if I subscribed.
Rookie, 1st game, he had a 50 yd TD in his hands on the 1st drive but just could not keep possession, but he got both feet in and had he managed to maintain possession he would have been one of the 3 hottest pick ups in most leagues. Houston is dying for a WR2 IMO to help loosen these defenses up and Lester Jean looks the part. You read a box score: 2 targets...doesn't tell the whole story and that is the beauty of what JT is trying to put together. This place knows I don't usually run around trumpeting columns although I absolutely love the site but when I heard about this and then I see the finished product I have to give it some props. Treat yourself to a subscription, you'll be glad you did.
Not trying to quibble - but in the end it's 2 targets. And it appears he could have cashed in big on 2 targets if he sank the 50 yd TD. He likely has to get a lot more targets to be relevant.
 
BTW, not trying to steal JT's thunder at all, b/c this is awesome, but I am also writing up some film review notes on Tuesdays:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2012/12bloom_filmroom2.php
Good write ups. So you're ready to put RG3 in the top tier of QBs already? Wow.
I think I agree with Bloom that RG3 is on the level of Rodgers/Brady/Brees/Newton/Stafford level going forward. What I think we all want to know is which receiving options benefit from RG3's elite status? Other than Garcon and Davis, there's a lot of potential value on the waiver wire.
I don't think that RG3 has shown enough in the vertical passing game to be considered in that class.
 
Keep the faith in Brandon Lloyd. Brady missed him on what would have been a 50-yard touchdown. The receiver was several yards behind the defense and Brady missed him. His numbers would have been strong if Brady would have connected. Lloyd and Brady already have good chemistry.
That's an interesting way of putting it. Also completely wrong.
 
Sounds like great content - but i am not a subscriber.

The part that raises the eyebrow is Lester Jean - 1 catch for 9 yards on 2 targets - and a glowing review?

Guess I would know if I subscribed.
Rookie, 1st game, he had a 50 yd TD in his hands on the 1st drive but just could not keep possession, but he got both feet in and had he managed to maintain possession he would have been one of the 3 hottest pick ups in most leagues. Houston is dying for a WR2 IMO to help loosen these defenses up and Lester Jean looks the part. You read a box score: 2 targets...doesn't tell the whole story and that is the beauty of what JT is trying to put together. This place knows I don't usually run around trumpeting columns although I absolutely love the site but when I heard about this and then I see the finished product I have to give it some props. Treat yourself to a subscription, you'll be glad you did.
Not trying to quibble - but in the end it's 2 targets. And it appears he could have cashed in big on 2 targets if he sank the 50 yd TD. He likely has to get a lot more targets to be relevant.
If he can control the ball all the way through...I think he ends up with a couple more targets. Also the game suddenly changed inside of 2 minutes. I go to the can and the game is 3-3, come back and its 24-3...at that point it was just run the clock out and get ready for week 2. What I am saying is there was no reason they needed to throw the ball more. It's not quibbling but if you didn't watch all those snaps, I was all over the game thread if you hit the search engine, go in and read it for yourself. Dig a little deeper than the box score my friend. Good Luck!

 
Keep the faith in Brandon Lloyd. Brady missed him on what would have been a 50-yard touchdown. The receiver was several yards behind the defense and Brady missed him. His numbers would have been strong if Brady would have connected. Lloyd and Brady already have good chemistry.
That's an interesting way of putting it. Also completely wrong.
If you have some perspective than please share. I really detest folks or posters who say "wrong", "you're crazy", "do you watch the games"...if you got something than spit it out, don't take a swipe at a weekly published writer and then offer nothing for comparison. Thanks
 
Keep the faith in Brandon Lloyd. Brady missed him on what would have been a 50-yard touchdown. The receiver was several yards behind the defense and Brady missed him. His numbers would have been strong if Brady would have connected. Lloyd and Brady already have good chemistry.
That's an interesting way of putting it. Also completely wrong.
If you have some perspective than please share. I really detest folks or posters who say "wrong", "you're crazy", "do you watch the games"...if you got something than spit it out, don't take a swipe at a weekly published writer and then offer nothing for comparison. Thanks
You seem upset.Simply he didnt overthrow him, the ball was perfectly placed, Lloyd stopped running his route when he realized he was 10 feet ahead of the defenders and turned around, then back pedaled 5 feet from a complete stop, jumped and the ball still went right through his hands.Had he continued his route and looked back for the ball, or even better just kept running with arms outstretched the ball would have landed directly into his arms.Everything else in the article was great, I was just shocked cause it was literally the first time I had heard someone blame Brady for that drop it was very clearly all on Lloyd.
 
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Keep the faith in Brandon Lloyd. Brady missed him on what would have been a 50-yard touchdown. The receiver was several yards behind the defense and Brady missed him. His numbers would have been strong if Brady would have connected. Lloyd and Brady already have good chemistry.
That's an interesting way of putting it. Also completely wrong.
If you have some perspective than please share. I really detest folks or posters who say "wrong", "you're crazy", "do you watch the games"...if you got something than spit it out, don't take a swipe at a weekly published writer and then offer nothing for comparison. Thanks
You seem upset.Simply he didnt overthrow him, the ball was perfectly placed, Lloyd stopped running his route when he realized he was 10 feet ahead of the defenders and turned around, then back pedaled 5 feet from a complete stop, jumped and the ball still went right through his hands.Had he continued his route and looked back for the ball, or even better just kept running with arms outstretched the ball would have landed directly into his arms.
It wasn't a perfect pass, but i think it was catchable. Lloyd just seemed to misjudge it. It was almost as if he stopped running. Overall, I agree with JT that we shouldn't worry, but I do think Lloyd should have caught the ball.
 
Keep the faith in Brandon Lloyd. Brady missed him on what would have been a 50-yard touchdown. The receiver was several yards behind the defense and Brady missed him. His numbers would have been strong if Brady would have connected. Lloyd and Brady already have good chemistry.
That's an interesting way of putting it. Also completely wrong.
If you have some perspective than please share. I really detest folks or posters who say "wrong", "you're crazy", "do you watch the games"...if you got something than spit it out, don't take a swipe at a weekly published writer and then offer nothing for comparison. Thanks
You seem upset.Simply he didnt overthrow him, the ball was perfectly placed, Lloyd stopped running his route when he realized he was 10 feet ahead of the defenders and turned around, then back pedaled 5 feet from a complete stop, jumped and the ball still went right through his hands.Had he continued his route and looked back for the ball, or even better just kept running with arms outstretched the ball would have landed directly into his arms.
It wasn't a perfect pass, but i think it was catchable. Lloyd just seemed to misjudge it. It was almost as if he stopped running. Overall, I agree with JT that we shouldn't worry, but I do think Lloyd should have caught the ball.
Oh I dont doubt Lloyd at all, im starting him in every league I own him. Just very surprised he phrased it that way.
 
'Run It Up said:
You seem upset.Simply he didnt overthrow him, the ball was perfectly placed, Lloyd stopped running his route when he realized he was 10 feet ahead of the defenders and turned around, then back pedaled 5 feet from a complete stop, jumped and the ball still went right through his hands.Had he continued his route and looked back for the ball, or even better just kept running with arms outstretched the ball would have landed directly into his arms.Everything else in the article was great, I was just shocked cause it was literally the first time I had heard someone blame Brady for that drop it was very clearly all on Lloyd.
Excellent post, that's all I'm asking for. I appreciate you explaining why you think JT is wrong there, that's all. Sorry if you took it personal, it's not.
 
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How do you find this article if you are a subscriber? I searched articles to no avail. TIA
I have a link up top but I believe it is int he middle of the Thursday stuff. If you hit control-F, command-F, I think a little box comes up and you can just type in "From the Tape" and it will highlight it immediately.
 
'Sigmund Bloom said:
BTW, not trying to steal JT's thunder at all, b/c this is awesome, but I am also writing up some film review notes on Tuesdays:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2012/12bloom_filmroom2.php
I feel both of these features are quite valuable. They add another level of depth to the Game Recaps. :thumbup:
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
'DeaLerZ said:
Great Article... can't find it without the link that was provided... where is it at so I can check it out next week hah?
Due to the fact he has to write it all up on all 16 games, i don't believe it will be out until Thursdays. It was not on the docket initially when you looked at the week ahead but I had heard JT was putting this together. I had to search for it as well. I expect this thread to get bumped weekly and if I have to I will post a link for the subscribers to make sure they find it. Most of the staff turn their articles over to an editor who then posts it and i agree with others that a few more spaces would make it easier to read but it is jammed full of opinions and takes, imagine if someone at one of the major news outlets were doing this weekly.T this column is written IMO for the person who might not see every game and wants to know more than just the box score.
Thanks man I appreciate it
 
'The Dude said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
'The Dude said:
Sounds like great content - but i am not a subscriber.

The part that raises the eyebrow is Lester Jean - 1 catch for 9 yards on 2 targets - and a glowing review?

Guess I would know if I subscribed.
Rookie, 1st game, he had a 50 yd TD in his hands on the 1st drive but just could not keep possession, but he got both feet in and had he managed to maintain possession he would have been one of the 3 hottest pick ups in most leagues. Houston is dying for a WR2 IMO to help loosen these defenses up and Lester Jean looks the part. You read a box score: 2 targets...doesn't tell the whole story and that is the beauty of what JT is trying to put together. This place knows I don't usually run around trumpeting columns although I absolutely love the site but when I heard about this and then I see the finished product I have to give it some props. Treat yourself to a subscription, you'll be glad you did.
Not trying to quibble - but in the end it's 2 targets. And it appears he could have cashed in big on 2 targets if he sank the 50 yd TD. He likely has to get a lot more targets to be relevant.
Seems like you are missing the point. If Jean had 10 targets, everyone would know about him. Jeff is telling us, although he only got 2, he looked good. He also made the point that AJ and Walter are both injury risks, so if Jean gets an opportunity, he could do very well.
 
It was so good they republished it this week.

Manually change the 2 to a 3 for the current article.

 
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I really wish that they would send this out in email. I'd be fine with giving up Rushing & Passing match-ups to get this in my inbox instead.

 
Agreed, very good stuff!

Here is my problem: FBG puts out so much info, I simply do not have the time to click on every feature and article. The titles do not begin to expose just what sort of content might be in each feature, and golden nuggets like this have escaped my attention.

Just a suggestion... is there a way to offer a brief synopsis of what subject matter is covered for each feature under the link? "Tale of the tape' hardly descibes the content in this particular article. It might have been an article on how refs move the yard markers.

Since I'm making suggestions, again because of time constraints, I find it difficult to cull the info I'm looking for in some features. SoS seems far too complicated for me... a more simplified PA at each position with a weekly and then total YTD synopsis would be more useful for me at least. I sometimes just can't fathom the legend that tries to tutorialize some features.

This metric, that metric, just give me avg points scored at each offensive skill position and the weekly numbers (including opponent) that a given defense surrenders. Perhaps I'm a simpleton, but I find that some features in an effort to go above and beyond might lose some of us when attempting to process the info... it gets lost in the sauce.

In any case, thanks to the OP for drawing attention to this article.... an excellent read.

 
My favorite subscriber content from here on in, just overook the roundtable discussion. :thumbup: I have some comments/questions. Sorry that it is soooo long. :shrug:

• I was wondering…was Benson’s improved pass catching an indicator of compared to when he was as a Bengal, better than the Packers were used to seeing of their RB’s in years past, or a combination of both? And for all of that, still Kuhn is in on obvious passing downs contrasts starkly with Benson’s third down pass catching ability.

• Nice heads up about the Saints defense looking like a sleeper against KC. I agree.

• Choice looks like a good speculative add. I had no idea that he was being used to close out the game against the Chiefs. Guys who the coaches trust to kill the clock in blowouts are ones to keep an eye on. I’d not have known without reading JT’s write-up.

• Chandler looks like a mirage, only getting involved in the late 4th qtr. I’d be hesitant to trust him waiting for the production to eventually come. I like my fantasy TE’s to be involved early and often.

• If you only looked at the boxscores, you’d think Stevie Johnson had a good game. But his lack of effort in execution of his routes looks like a red flag.

• The comment about Peterson still being “gimpy” has to concern any Vikings skill position owners as JT follows that up with call Gerhart a “plodder”, and raising concerns that things could get ugly for Minnesota.

• Despite a decent stat-line for Rudolph, talk of his break out season is cooling with dropped passes. I didn’t watch the game, but still I have to believe adding Jerome Simpson will help open up the Viking pass offense and Rudolph immensely.

• Donald Brown sucks basically, so grab Ballard for free while you still can, if you have room. Brown’s inability to block for Luck is going to have him riding the pine soon. Avery’s success on screen plays is a direct result of Brown’s inability to make plays in the open field. If the Colts can develop a run game, could this limit Avery or Collies ceiling?

• Interesting comment that Mark Ingram is the Saints back to own. Ingram had a very nice day too, but contrast that to the small comment that “Pierre Thomas ran well.” And nothing else to explain why Ingram is the one to own. This is confusing to me, and I’d appreciate a more complete analysis of the Saints RB situation.

• The comments on Jason Witten are troubling and he’s clearly not healthy. Probably should be on the fantasy benches for now. We could really use Dr Jene’s take on this. Paging Dr. Jean.

• The game would have had a huge turn for the Cowboys had Bryant not had dropped those 2 first balls right off his hands. Hard to criticize Romo as being streaky when he has to deal with Witten playing like a Brandon Myers type TE and his star wideout not showing up. Not that I’m a Romo apologist, I don’t even own him in any league.

• The hype around RG3 is real, but the injury risk is real if he continues to scramble up the middle for the soft yards. All he has to do is ask Mike Vick about how that works.

• Why is Amendola’s career game an aberration? If the running game is working and Bradford is playing better than he’s ever played in the NFL? Who is going to take away his targets and what kind of offense can we expect going forward? I certainly agree that Amendola’s game is a seasonal outlier, but his fantasy floor just rose to WR2/WR3 status unless otherwise explained?

• I saw that game and imo Richardson looked quick and slippery running up field and looked like a 3-down runner and not just a COP back. The late fumble won’t be swept under the rug by Fisher, but Richardson looks the part.

• No mention of what happened to Robert Meachem? I realize he had a zero day, but he was active. Nothing to see here? Should he even be owned?

• Love the sober analysis of Jake Locker which contrasts directly with Bloom’s take that Locker is a keeper going forward. Good stuff.

• Manning’s apparent decreased arm strength may have something to do with those floating INT’s. Something to keep an eye on.

 
Bump this for anyone that hasn't seen it. Great addition to the FBG sub content. This is my 2nd favorite to read after Norton's EOTG.

 

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