Just when it couldn't get any weirder with the Bears Offense (1 Viewer)

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Just when I thought I had seen and heard it all about the Bears offense.

Rex Grossman was named NFC Offensive Player of the Month.

Hell, most Chicagoans (me included) had this guy benched or replaced for some other reason by Griese by Week 4.

He's the first quarterback in Bears history to win the award. (Welcome from the stone ages)

He's the first offensive player from the Bears to win the award (in 17 years) since good ole #35, Neal Anderson.

BEARS!

Keep it goin' Rex!

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Rex Grossman was named NFC Offensive Player of the Month.He's the first quarterback in Bears history to win the award. He's the first offensive player from the Bears to win the award (in 17 years) since good ole #35, Neal Anderson.

 

[mad sweeney]

Just when I thought I had seen and heard it all about the Bears offense.Rex Grossman was named NFC Offensive Player of the Month.Hell, most Chicagoans (me included) had this guy benched or replaced for some other reason by Griese by Week 4.He's the first quarterback in Bears history to win the award. (Welcome from the stone ages)He's the first offensive player from the Bears to win the award (in 17 years) since good ole #35, Neal Anderson.BEARS!Keep it goin' Rex!

And Ken Hamlin from the Seahawks, in intensive care last year around this time with a cracked skull, is the NFC Defensive Player of the Month. Last time for the Seahawks D was Chad Brown in 98.Gonna be a good matchup Sunday Night.Seahawks 24Bears 17

 

[Englishteacher]

Just when I thought I had seen and heard it all about the Bears offense.Rex Grossman was named NFC Offensive Player of the Month.Hell, most Chicagoans (me included) had this guy benched or replaced for some other reason by Griese by Week 4.He's the first quarterback in Bears history to win the award. (Welcome from the stone ages)He's the first offensive player from the Bears to win the award (in 17 years) since good ole #35, Neal Anderson.BEARS!Keep it goin' Rex!

And Ken Hamlin from the Seahawks, in intensive care last year around this time with a cracked skull, is the NFC Defensive Player of the Month. Last time for the Seahawks D was Chad Brown in 98.Gonna be a good matchup Sunday Night.Seahawks 24Bears 17

Should be a great game. Hope the Hawks don't crumble with Morris at RB.

 

[jurb26]

Just when I thought I had seen and heard it all about the Bears offense.Rex Grossman was named NFC Offensive Player of the Month.Hell, most Chicagoans (me included) had this guy benched or replaced for some other reason by Griese by Week 4.He's the first quarterback in Bears history to win the award. (Welcome from the stone ages)He's the first offensive player from the Bears to win the award (in 17 years) since good ole #35, Neal Anderson.BEARS!Keep it goin' Rex!

And Ken Hamlin from the Seahawks, in intensive care last year around this time with a cracked skull, is the NFC Defensive Player of the Month. Last time for the Seahawks D was Chad Brown in 98.Gonna be a good matchup Sunday Night.Seahawks 24Bears 17

Should be a great game. Hope the Hawks don't crumble with Morris at RB.

Will Morris be the only one getting carries?

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

Just when I thought I had seen and heard it all about the Bears offense.Rex Grossman was named NFC Offensive Player of the Month.Hell, most Chicagoans (me included) had this guy benched or replaced for some other reason by Griese by Week 4.He's the first quarterback in Bears history to win the award. (Welcome from the stone ages)He's the first offensive player from the Bears to win the award (in 17 years) since good ole #35, Neal Anderson.BEARS!Keep it goin' Rex!

And Ken Hamlin from the Seahawks, in intensive care last year around this time with a cracked skull, is the NFC Defensive Player of the Month. Last time for the Seahawks D was Chad Brown in 98.Gonna be a good matchup Sunday Night.Seahawks 24Bears 17

Should be a great game. Hope the Hawks don't crumble with Morris at RB.

Will Morris be the only one getting carries?

Strong will get carries as well. I'm not sure if the Seahawks actived Weeks from the practice squad.

 

[RBM]

Great for Rex. Very happy for the kid, he has had a real tough start to his career. Seems like a good guy

 

[Joe Bryant]

I told you guys he'd be great...

I was right there with grid shouting he sucked and they should go with Griese. I do think we've seen him at his best so far but I can't deny he's played exceptionally well. Good for him.

J

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I just want to say I was one of the people who always loved Rex - just thought he couldn't stay healthy (which still could rear its ugly head).

Now, a bit of trivia - what do Neal Anderson and Rex Grossman both have in common as football players?

 

[Limp Ditka]

The kid really needs to stop making the dumb mistake. Too many times he tries to make something out of nothing. Example, the INT return for a TD in the Minn game.

Once he realizes that a play that results in no gain can be a good thing, he'll really start to shine.

Until, I'll continue to panic each time he drops back to pass.

 

[RBM]

The kid really needs to stop making the dumb mistake. Too many times he tries to make something out of nothing. Example, the INT return for a TD in the Minn game.Once he realizes that a play that results in no gain can be a good thing, he'll really start to shine. Until, I'll continue to panic each time he drops back to pass.

Ahh it happens with most young qbs. Hopefully he will mature out of that stuff

 

[Hairy Snowman]

The kid really needs to stop making the dumb mistake. Too many times he tries to make something out of nothing. Example, the INT return for a TD in the Minn game.Once he realizes that a play that results in no gain can be a good thing, he'll really start to shine. Until, I'll continue to panic each time he drops back to pass.

How many games has he played in? For what is essentially a guy in his, what his 9th or 10th game?, I think he does alright.EDIT: Anyone going to hit the Trivia? Joe? Can't believe it doesn't pop right to mind to anyone.

 

[Limp Ditka]

The kid really needs to stop making the dumb mistake. Too many times he tries to make something out of nothing. Example, the INT return for a TD in the Minn game.Once he realizes that a play that results in no gain can be a good thing, he'll really start to shine. Until, I'll continue to panic each time he drops back to pass.

How many games has he played in? For what is essentially a guy in his, what his 9th or 10th game?, I think he does alright.EDIT: Anyone going to hit the Trivia? Joe? Can't believe it doesn't pop right to mind to anyone.

Gators

 

[Hairy Snowman]

The kid really needs to stop making the dumb mistake. Too many times he tries to make something out of nothing. Example, the INT return for a TD in the Minn game.Once he realizes that a play that results in no gain can be a good thing, he'll really start to shine. Until, I'll continue to panic each time he drops back to pass.

How many games has he played in? For what is essentially a guy in his, what his 9th or 10th game?, I think he does alright.EDIT: Anyone going to hit the Trivia? Joe? Can't believe it doesn't pop right to mind to anyone.

Gators

Yeah Baby! GO GATORS! And now my true colors come out.......... And Emmit WAS a better RB than Barry!

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

I told you guys he'd be great... I was right there with grid shouting he sucked and they should go with Griese. I do think we've seen him at his best so far but I can't deny he's played exceptionally well. Good for him.J

I have wondered aloud if the Bucs would part with an '07 2nd rounder or '08 first rounder for Brian Griese (who knows their system like the back of his hand). Then I quickly remember the Bears play the Bucs later this year, and the NFL isn't fantasy football...

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I think most that saw Grossman play in college knew Grossman would be good, and those that paid attention to how much better the Bears offense looked in the REGULAR and POST season with Grossman at the helm and ignore the useless preseason saw this coming a mile away.

 

[b1leper]

The kid really needs to stop making the dumb mistake. Too many times he tries to make something out of nothing. Example, the INT return for a TD in the Minn game.Once he realizes that a play that results in no gain can be a good thing, he'll really start to shine. Until, I'll continue to panic each time he drops back to pass.

How many games has he played in? For what is essentially a guy in his, what his 9th or 10th game?, I think he does alright.EDIT: Anyone going to hit the Trivia? Joe? Can't believe it doesn't pop right to mind to anyone.

Gators

Yeah Baby! GO GATORS! And now my true colors come out.......... And Emmit WAS a better RB than Barry!

Roll Tide

 

[coolice]

I just hope that he continues for few more weeks. So that I can trade him to Chicago homer before winter weather start to come

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

The kid really needs to stop making the dumb mistake. Too many times he tries to make something out of nothing. Example, the INT return for a TD in the Minn game.Once he realizes that a play that results in no gain can be a good thing, he'll really start to shine. Until, I'll continue to panic each time he drops back to pass.

Right there with you. That INT was a really, really stupid mistake. But he'll learn with experience. Remember, this guy hasn't exactly thrown a ton of regular season passes.I recall watching the playoffs last year, seeing Grossman in the game. There was a simple play where he took a 3-step drop and fired a 7-yard slant to Muhammad. Nothing spectacular - but it was a throw that Orton couldn't make in rhythm. I was on the phone with a buddy at the time and said "that's why they need Grossman at QB."Of course, by pre-season of this year I was second guessing last year's assessment.....

 

[jbird5150]

Just when I thought I had seen and heard it all about the Bears offense.Rex Grossman was named NFC Offensive Player of the Month.Hell, most Chicagoans (me included) had this guy benched or replaced for some other reason by Griese by Week 4.He's the first quarterback in Bears history to win the award. (Welcome from the stone ages)He's the first offensive player from the Bears to win the award (in 17 years) since good ole #35, Neal Anderson.BEARS!Keep it goin' Rex!

"Brrrr. Where's my parka and ice skates?" said the Devil.

 

[bostonfred]

Now, a bit of trivia - what do Neal Anderson and Rex Grossman both have in common as football players?

They have approximately the same chance of winning a Superbowl this year?

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Now, a bit of trivia - what do Neal Anderson and Rex Grossman both have in common as football players?

They have approximately the same chance of winning a Superbowl this year?

Seriously - What was the final playoff seeding for the Bears last year? 2nd in the NFC? Would it really be that much of a stretch with any kind of passing game that they could go to the Superbowl? That defense is lethal with a lead........

 

[Christo]

I told you guys he'd be great... I was right there with grid shouting he sucked and they should go with Griese. I do think we've seen him at his best so far but I can't deny he's played exceptionally well. Good for him.J

Yeah, but can't you just imagine how much better the Bears offense would be doing with Griese at the helm?

 

[ALF]

The kid really needs to stop making the dumb mistake. Too many times he tries to make something out of nothing. Example, the INT return for a TD in the Minn game.Once he realizes that a play that results in no gain can be a good thing, he'll really start to shine. Until, I'll continue to panic each time he drops back to pass.

How many games has he played in? For what is essentially a guy in his, what his 9th or 10th game?, I think he does alright.EDIT: Anyone going to hit the Trivia? Joe? Can't believe it doesn't pop right to mind to anyone.

I belive it was his 12th start.

 

[Sheriff66]

I think we see Grossman revert back to the player we all know he can be this week...

 

[dotman]

Isn't the offensive player of the month award based on offensive stats?

Rex Grossman:

61-94, 829 yards, 64.9%, 6 TD. 3 INT, 8.82 YPA, 100.9 QB rating

Donovan McNabb:

69-113, 960 yards, 61.1%, 7 TD, 1 INT, 8.50 YPA, 105.3 QB rating

 

[Sooch]

I could be wrong, but didn't Harbaugh win something like this in 1991?

 

[Jagerbomber]

I told you guys he'd be great... I was right there with grid shouting he sucked and they should go with Griese. I do think we've seen him at his best so far but I can't deny he's played exceptionally well. Good for him.J

I didn't think he was bad at quarterback. He was just bad at staying healthy. Good for him on the award tho.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Seahawks 31

Bears 10

I think the Seahawks will spread the defense and pick it apart. Hass will throw for 300+ and 3 tds. Rex will be held to under 200 and throw 2 ints. Griese will come in for a late touchdown and the QB contro will begin again.

DISCLAIMER: I am not a fan of either. Just a hunch.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Seahawks 31

Bears 10

I think the Seahawks will spread the defense and pick it apart. Hass will throw for 300+ and 3 tds. Rex will be held to under 200 and throw 2 ints. Griese will come in for a late touchdown and the QB contro will begin again.

DISCLAIMER: I am not a fan of either. Just a hunch.

Only way in hell this happens is if Grossman gets hurt

 

[King of the Jungle]

Seahawks 31

Bears 10

I think the Seahawks will spread the defense and pick it apart. Hass will throw for 300+ and 3 tds. Rex will be held to under 200 and throw 2 ints. Griese will come in for a late touchdown and the QB contro will begin again.

DISCLAIMER: I am not a fan of either. Just a hunch.

Only way in hell this happens is if Grossman gets hurt

I dont think it will happen within the organization. But I think there would be fans who would raise the question. I think the Bears need to stick with Rex no matter how the season goes. He has shown capibilty to provide spark in this offense. I am a fan of his and hope he stays healthy. I just think the Seattle D is going to have his number this week.

 

[pigskinliquors]

I could not have imagined Grossman playing this long without an injury, let alone playing this well

 

[mcjc4]

Isn't the offensive player of the month award based on offensive stats?Rex Grossman:61-94, 829 yards, 64.9%, 6 TD. 3 INT, 8.82 YPA, 100.9 QB ratingDonovan McNabb:69-113, 960 yards, 61.1%, 7 TD, 1 INT, 8.50 YPA, 105.3 QB rating

Yes it is and these stats are proof who should have won the award for thsi month.

 

[Mik789fl]

Isn't the offensive player of the month award based on offensive stats?Rex Grossman:61-94, 829 yards, 64.9%, 6 TD. 3 INT, 8.82 YPA, 100.9 QB ratingDonovan McNabb:69-113, 960 yards, 61.1%, 7 TD, 1 INT, 8.50 YPA, 105.3 QB rating

Like Rex or not,he has apparantly ARRIVED. He was just compared with Donavan McNabb.Here's to you Rex!

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Isn't the offensive player of the month award based on offensive stats?Rex Grossman:61-94, 829 yards, 64.9%, 6 TD. 3 INT, 8.82 YPA, 100.9 QB ratingDonovan McNabb:69-113, 960 yards, 61.1%, 7 TD, 1 INT, 8.50 YPA, 105.3 QB rating

Yes it is and these stats are proof who should have won the award for thsi month.

Who did the Eagles play again? Seems the defenses in the NFC North maybe a little stouter than what Donovan has had to face so far? Houston, San Fran and the Giants? Please. Detroit, who most people want to rag on, almost shut out the Seahawks. Um, Viking just got off beating Carolina and Washington - 2 preseason favorites for the playoffs. Green Bay sucks, but no worse than Houston. I give Rex the Edge........homers.

 

[foxman]

The kid really needs to stop making the dumb mistake. Too many times he tries to make something out of nothing. Example, the INT return for a TD in the Minn game.Once he realizes that a play that results in no gain can be a good thing, he'll really start to shine. Until, I'll continue to panic each time he drops back to pass.

How many games has he played in? For what is essentially a guy in his, what his 9th or 10th game?, I think he does alright.EDIT: Anyone going to hit the Trivia? Joe? Can't believe it doesn't pop right to mind to anyone.

Gators

Yeah Baby! GO GATORS! And now my true colors come out.......... And Emmit WAS a better RB than Barry!

Roll Tide

Go Heels

 

[Hamstring]

I think everyone knows what Griese brings. A solid guy who takes what the d gives him. He'll never bring you back, but he will rarely mess up.

Think Steve Fuller in 85.

There is no downside to going with Grossman to see what he can do. This d can keep them in whatever game they play. He has shown flashes of brilliance and stupidity, but that's what you get. He could be special and has shown a little of that.

Griese is the perfect backup for this team though. I actually think Orton can be solid. as well.

 

[SSOG]

And Ken Hamlin from the Seahawks, in intensive care last year around this time with a cracked skull, is the NFC Defensive Player of the Month. Last time for the Seahawks D was Chad Brown in 98.

Gonna be a good matchup Sunday Night.

Seahawks 24

Bears 17

You know what's really shocking? If someone had told you that a Seahawk and a Bear would be offensive and defensive player of the month of September, nobody would have batted an eye. It's the fact that the Seahawk won DEFENSIVE player and the Bear won OFFENSIVE player that's so amazing. I mean, Seattle had last year's offensive MVP and Chicago had last year's defensive MVP!

I told you guys he'd be great...

I was right there with grid shouting he sucked and they should go with Griese. I do think we've seen him at his best so far but I can't deny he's played exceptionally well. Good for him.

J

Everyone calling for Rex's head was ignoring one simple fact- Rex was basically a rookie. Look at Eli Manning or J.P. Losman or Alex Smith to see how much players improve once they get a couple of starts under their belt.I really think the Bears made the right choice in going with Rex. I mean, Griese is a known commodity. He's been around long enough and there's enough film on him that everyone knows EXACTLY what he's getting. He's not going to suddenly start playing any better or any worse at this point in his career. The problem is that "known commodity", that "as good as he's going to get", was good enough to get him run out of three different cities in 4 years. Griese was clearly *NEVER* the answer here. Now, while Rex could have bombed or he could have done well (even though I never imagined him doing THIS well), he at least had the POTENTIAL to be an NFL starter-caliber QB. When you have a choice between a potential starting QB and a guaranteed backup QB, you have to take the potential starter every time.

Yeah Baby! GO GATORS! And now my true colors come out..........

I knew there was a reason I liked you...

I think most that saw Grossman play in college knew Grossman would be good, and those that paid attention to how much better the Bears offense looked in the REGULAR and POST season with Grossman at the helm and ignore the useless preseason saw this coming a mile away.

Agreed there, too. I mean, the guy was a first round pick. He was a runner up for the Heisman trophy, and unlike a lot of the college heisman winners, he had an NFL-caliber arm (unlike Ken Dorsey and company). History has been very kind to Heisman-caliber QBs with an NFL-caliber arm (Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, potentially Matt Leinart). He's posted an 8-3 record in his first 11 games (outside of Rothlisberger, name me a QB who can match *THAT*). And before you trot out Kyle Orton (9-5), I'd like to point out that Grossman had a solid record with BAD teams (he was 3-3 with two Chicago squads that went 9-17 without him and with a below-average defense).

I could not have imagined Grossman playing this long without an injury, let alone playing this well

This is the problem with the "injury-prone" label- people apply it when it isn't warrented.Some players do have an increased risk of injury. Some players are just unlucky. Last year, Grossman had a 300 pound man roll over his ankle. I don't care WHO you are, it's going to break under those circumstances. Brett Favre would have broken his ankle under those circumstances. It doesn't mean you were injury prone, it means a 300 pound man rolled over your ankle.

None of Grossman's injuries (and there have only been 2, remember) were recurring. He has not shown a tendency to get certain injury types (like Donte' Stallworth has demonstrated a tendency for hamstring injuries). Certain injuries are outside of the injury-prone label (such as broken bones). Labeling Grossman as "injury prone" was premature and misguided.

Edit: Just for kicks and grins, here's Grossman's pre-draft player profile:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/grossman_rex

ANALYSIS

Positives: Has solid, compact muscle development with broad shoulders, big hands and adequate leg definition … Shows smoothness in his pass drop, taking short, quick strides … Gets rid of the ball on time with a quick release, displaying good velocity on his long tosses … Keeps his poise standing in the pocket and quickly comes back after the sack … Throws on time with touch, anticipating the receiver's moves and coverage … Hits his targets in stride, reads the field quickly and rarely hesitates to throw long … Very good at locating his secondary targets … Throws the long ball with an arc to gain distance and is seldom late in getting the ball to his target.

Negatives: Needs better judgment, as he tends to throw the ball to dangerous spots in the zone, risking the costly interception … Carries the ball a little low, which causes his delivery to slow down at times … Feels pressure and slides his feet well to avoid, but his mobility is only marginal … Lacks a short touch, putting too much on his throws … Has trouble following through with his release when flushed out of the pocket … Lacks the burst needed to escape the pocket.

...

2001 SEASON

Second in the Heisman Trophy balloting, only the fifth sophomore ever to finish in the top two … Finalist for the Walter Camp National Player of the Year Award … Finalist for the Maxwell Award (College Player of the Year) … Finalist for Davey O'Brien National Quarterback of the Year Award … Associated Press National Player of the Year … First-team All-American by Associated Press, Walter Camp Foundation and Football News, becoming the first sophomore quarterback in school history to achieve that distinction … Associated Press SEC Offensive Player of the Year, as selected by league coaches … Became the first player since BYU's Steve Young in 1983 to lead the nation in both passing efficiency (170.8) and total offense per game (354.9) in the same season … First-team All-SEC selection for the second consecutive season … Started all 11 regular-season games and completed 259 of 395 passes (65.6 percent) for 3,896 yards with 34 touchdowns and 12 interceptions for a pass-efficiency rating of 170.75 and rushed for 5 touchdowns on the season … Took 579 snaps … Ranked first in the nation in pass-efficiency rating (170.8) … His 354.2 passing yards per game ranked first in the nation … Led nation in total offense with 354.9 yards per game … His 32 TD passes tied for third best in the nation … First in the nation in yards per pass attempt with 9.86 … Ranked seventh in the nation in yards per completion (15.04) … Second nationally in points responsible for per game (21.27) … Led the nation in yards per play (9.10) … Ranked sixth in the nation in percentage of passes that went for a TD (8.61 percent) … Posted an efficiency rating of at least 168 in eight of 11 regular-season games (all but Auburn, Florida State and Tennessee) … Threw for more than 300-plus yards in 10 of 11 regular-season games (all but Florida State - 290), the most 300-plus games in a season in UF history … Grossman's 3,896 passing yards rank as the best season mark in school history and second best in SEC history … His 34 touchdown passes ranked as the third-best season mark in Gator history and sixth best in SEC history … First Gator to ever pass for 300 or more yards in more than three consecutive games with streak of nine straight (Marshall, UL-Monroe, Kentucky, Mississippi State, LSU, Auburn, Georgia, Vanderbilt and South Carolina) … Threw at least 3 touchdown passes in seven of 11 regular-season games (all but Marshall, UL-Monroe, Kentucky, Mississippi State, LSU, Vanderbilt and South Carolina) … Joined Heisman Trophy winner Danny Wuerffel as the only Gator quarterbacks to have two 400-yard games in a season (464 vs. LSU and 407 vs. Georgia).

 

[SSOG]

I think everyone knows what Griese brings. A solid guy who takes what the d gives him. He'll never bring you back, but he will rarely mess up.

Think Steve Fuller in 85.

There is no downside to going with Grossman to see what he can do. This d can keep them in whatever game they play. He has shown flashes of brilliance and stupidity, but that's what you get. He could be special and has shown a little of that.

Griese is the perfect backup for this team though. I actually think Orton can be solid. as well.

As a Denver fan, I *strongly* disagree with this characterization of Griese. We always used to say that nobody could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like Griese could. I suspect that Miami and Tampa fans would agree. Griese absolutely WILL mess up. It's not a possibility, it's a certainty- the only question is when, and whether your team will be able to survive it.Brian Griese had a 27-23 record in Denver (54%). In the games that Griese missed, Denver went 7-6 (54%). Denver's best season under Griese was 2000, when they went 11-5 and made the playoffs (the only season they made the playoffs under Griese)- and in that season, Denver made the playoffs after a sluggish start by winning 5 of the last 6 games with Griese on the bench (and Gus Frerotte under center).

An even more telling statistic... since 1995, Mike Shanahan's Broncos have made the playoffs in 6 of the 7 seasons when Griese wasn't under center, but only 1 of the 4 seasons when Griese was (and again, in that one season Griese was on the bench for the stretch run).

I agree that Griese makes a great backup, but he's essentially proven during his career that he's no better than Gus Frerotte or Jay Fiedler.

 

[msommer]

I think we see Grossman revert back to the player we all know he can be this week...

On IR?

 

[jurb26]

Isn't the offensive player of the month award based on offensive stats?Rex Grossman:61-94, 829 yards, 64.9%, 6 TD. 3 INT, 8.82 YPA, 100.9 QB ratingDonovan McNabb:69-113, 960 yards, 61.1%, 7 TD, 1 INT, 8.50 YPA, 105.3 QB rating

Yes it is and these stats are proof who should have won the award for thsi month.

Who did the Eagles play again? Seems the defenses in the NFC North maybe a little stouter than what Donovan has had to face so far? Houston, San Fran and the Giants? Please. Detroit, who most people want to rag on, almost shut out the Seahawks. Um, Viking just got off beating Carolina and Washington - 2 preseason favorites for the playoffs. Green Bay sucks, but no worse than Houston. I give Rex the Edge........homers.

It also helps having a 3-0 record vs the tougher competition as well.

 

[Hamstring]

I think everyone knows what Griese brings. A solid guy who takes what the d gives him. He'll never bring you back, but he will rarely mess up.

Think Steve Fuller in 85.

There is no downside to going with Grossman to see what he can do. This d can keep them in whatever game they play. He has shown flashes of brilliance and stupidity, but that's what you get. He could be special and has shown a little of that.

Griese is the perfect backup for this team though. I actually think Orton can be solid. as well.

As a Denver fan, I *strongly* disagree with this characterization of Griese. We always used to say that nobody could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like Griese could. I suspect that Miami and Tampa fans would agree. Griese absolutely WILL mess up. It's not a possibility, it's a certainty- the only question is when, and whether your team will be able to survive it.Brian Griese had a 27-23 record in Denver (54%). In the games that Griese missed, Denver went 7-6 (54%). Denver's best season under Griese was 2000, when they went 11-5 and made the playoffs (the only season they made the playoffs under Griese)- and in that season, Denver made the playoffs after a sluggish start by winning 5 of the last 6 games with Griese on the bench (and Gus Frerotte under center).

An even more telling statistic... since 1995, Mike Shanahan's Broncos have made the playoffs in 6 of the 7 seasons when Griese wasn't under center, but only 1 of the 4 seasons when Griese was (and again, in that one season Griese was on the bench for the stretch run).

I agree that Griese makes a great backup, but he's essentially proven during his career that he's no better than Gus Frerotte or Jay Fiedler.

I disagree. When Griese was stuck under center for Denver he was pretty young. I think he knows by now a teams strengths and what his abilities are. If Denver had kept hima s the starter they would be no worse off than they are now.

 

[SSOG]

I think everyone knows what Griese brings. A solid guy who takes what the d gives him. He'll never bring you back, but he will rarely mess up.

Think Steve Fuller in 85.

There is no downside to going with Grossman to see what he can do. This d can keep them in whatever game they play. He has shown flashes of brilliance and stupidity, but that's what you get. He could be special and has shown a little of that.

Griese is the perfect backup for this team though. I actually think Orton can be solid. as well.

As a Denver fan, I *strongly* disagree with this characterization of Griese. We always used to say that nobody could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like Griese could. I suspect that Miami and Tampa fans would agree. Griese absolutely WILL mess up. It's not a possibility, it's a certainty- the only question is when, and whether your team will be able to survive it.Brian Griese had a 27-23 record in Denver (54%). In the games that Griese missed, Denver went 7-6 (54%). Denver's best season under Griese was 2000, when they went 11-5 and made the playoffs (the only season they made the playoffs under Griese)- and in that season, Denver made the playoffs after a sluggish start by winning 5 of the last 6 games with Griese on the bench (and Gus Frerotte under center).

An even more telling statistic... since 1995, Mike Shanahan's Broncos have made the playoffs in 6 of the 7 seasons when Griese wasn't under center, but only 1 of the 4 seasons when Griese was (and again, in that one season Griese was on the bench for the stretch run).

I agree that Griese makes a great backup, but he's essentially proven during his career that he's no better than Gus Frerotte or Jay Fiedler.

I disagree. When Griese was stuck under center for Denver he was pretty young. I think he knows by now a teams strengths and what his abilities are. If Denver had kept hima s the starter they would be no worse off than they are now.

As a Denver fan, I'm extremely glad he's gone, and even gladder still that the acquisition of Cutler means he's never coming back. There is not a question in my mind that Denver is *far* better off with Plummer than they would ever be with Griese.

 

[perry147]

I think most that saw Grossman play in college knew Grossman would be good, and those that paid attention to how much better the Bears offense looked in the REGULAR and POST season with Grossman at the helm and ignore the useless preseason saw this coming a mile away.

That is why I drafting him late in an initial dynasty draft.Watch this guy play and you can tell he is a solid starter and will only get better.

 

[stevegamer]

If the bears offense and the seahawks defense keep winning awards, the rest of the NFC is in for a very long year

 

[Legion of Doom]

Yep,I'm shocked as I did'nt think the kid had it in him. Can Grossman keep it up the whole season,who knows.

As a bear fan I'm damn glad I was wrong.,so far anyway...