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Justin Blackmon Suspended Indefinitely (1 Viewer)

Wow, they really seem to be giving up on him. After he was suspended in November they came out and supported him pretty strongly in that press conference where Bradley talked about all the progress they had made and how he had turned into a really good teammate and the entire team was behind him. The general vibe was that they were aware that he had problems but they had been working on it, making progress over the course of the year, and the timing of the suspension came a bit surprisingly seeing that they were moving in the right direction with him.

With the way they are talking about him now it would seem that he has done something to disappoint them over the past couple of months. It sounds bad.

 
"I was hoping it would be better than where it's going but we'll see," Bradley said of Blackmon. "We haven't heard much and it doesn't sound like it's going in the right direction."

Sounds a lot to me like what I alluded to earlier in the thread, that we can't (sans breach of confidentiality leaks) know if he's still failing tests. Bradley's doesn't sound like it's going in the right direction statement suggests that may be the case. Sad.

 
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Bruce Hammond said:
"I was hoping it would be better than where it's going but we'll see," Bradley said of Blackmon. "We haven't heard much and it doesn't sound like it's going in the right direction."

Sounds a lot to me like what I alluded to earlier in the thread, that we can't (sans breach of confidentiality leaks) know if he's still failing tests. Bradley's doesn't sound like it's going in the right direction statement suggests that may be the case. Sad.
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The only explanation I can see for what they're doing is if they know he's already failed another test. Being a huge Blackmon fan I can't believe his career could end like this.

 
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I've never understood substance addiction, but obviously it is very difficult to overcome for those afflicted.

If this is the end of the line for him, he'll go down as an epic waste of talent. Almost worse than Charles Rogers because he flashed more before collapsing.

 
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EBF said:
I've never understood substance addiction, but obviously it is very difficult to overcome for those afflicted.

If this is the end of the line for him, he'll go down as an epic waste of talent. Almost worst than Charles Rogers because he flashed more before collapsing.
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He's in a competition with Gordon for that title. I think I'd have to go back to Koren Robinson to find a proven guy who threw away this much talent over an addiction.

 
cstu said:
EBF said:
I've never understood substance addiction, but obviously it is very difficult to overcome for those afflicted.

If this is the end of the line for him, he'll go down as an epic waste of talent. Almost worst than Charles Rogers because he flashed more before collapsing.
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He's in a competition with Gordon for that title. I think I'd have to go back to Koren Robinson to find a proven guy who threw away this much talent over an addiction.
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If accountants were banned for eating Doritos I'd be in big trouble.

 
EBF said:
I've never understood substance addiction, but obviously it is very difficult to overcome for those afflicted.

If this is the end of the line for him, he'll go down as an epic waste of talent. Almost worse than Charles Rogers because he flashed more before collapsing.
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I've got a reputation around here for taking on "damaged goods" in dynasty. My rosters are all littered with currently and formerly injured stars that I've bought for pennies on the dollar. With that said, I've maintained from the beginning that I want nothing to do with players battling against addiction. I'll gladly gamble on guys with torn ACLs, broken feet, or degenerative back conditions, but I've known people with addiction, and I've seen the statistics, and I just don't think it's a smart bet. The odds that an addict will manage to get clean are not great. The odds that an addict will manage to get clean without a single relapse are miniscule. And when each relapse means a year off, that's just not a smart risk to take, in my opinion.

 
I'm adding Blackmon in every trade offer I make. I just don't see him coming back. If he does....good for him because he will have beaten the odds.

 
got 2.3 in a 12 team dynasty just before the draft.

thanks for convincing me to dump him!

hung onto Gordon, but you can't win them all.

 
Bruce Hammond said:
cstu said:
EBF said:
I've never understood substance addiction, but obviously it is very difficult to overcome for those afflicted.

If this is the end of the line for him, he'll go down as an epic waste of talent. Almost worst than Charles Rogers because he flashed more before collapsing.
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He's in a competition with Gordon for that title. I think I'd have to go back to Koren Robinson to find a proven guy who threw away this much talent over an addiction.
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If accountants were banned for eating Doritos I'd be in big trouble.
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lol..Classic Bruce classic

 
Jags owner calls Justin Blackmon situation a 'tragedy'By Mike Coppinger NFL.com

Justin Blackmon isn't long for Jacksonville.

After team execs hinted the indefinitely suspended wide receiver wouldn't return in 2014, they followed up their words with action. On Tuesday, the Jaguars got rid of Blackmon's locker, per The Associated Press, the surest sign yet Blackmon isn't in the Jaguars' plans going forward.

The recipient of Blackmon's locker? Undrafted free-agent QB Stephen Morris, though The Florida-Times Union earlier erroneously reported that Blake Bortles received the locker.

Jaguars owner Shad Khan called Blackmon's situation an "absolute tragedy" on Tuesday and said it's hard to express his disappointment.

The Jaguars had high hopes for Blackmon when they drafted him with the No. 5 overall pick in 2012, but he has to be deemed a bust at this point. However, it's not due to his talent: Blackmon is a dynamic player capable of stretching defenses.

The problem is that he hasn't been able to stay on the gridiron. He played in all 16 games his rookie season but suited up in just four contests last year after a pair of suspensions. He averaged an impressive 100 yards per game over that four-game stretch.

Blackmon was banned from the first four games by the NFL for a violation of the substance-abuse policy. He followed that up with an indefinite suspension for the same violation.

He's eligible to return this season, but he first has to be reinstated by the league. It's unclear if and when that will happen, and the Jaguars might not care either way at this point.

The "Around The League Podcast" wrapped up the draft by picking our winners and losers.
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Faust said:
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Mark Long ‏@APMarkLong

Jaguars make it closer to official by getting rid of suspended WR Justin Blackmon's locker
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Gotta believe he's failed at least one additional test if they're going this far. Alcoholism is no joke; hope he gets the help he needs.
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Agreed. I remember shortly after he was suspended again, Michael Irvin said he had contacted him and said that it didn't look so good for Blackmon.

 
I've offered him up for ANYTHING in my one dynasty league. I have a couple offers sent to me. One guys is offering the 6.11 rookie pick. Another guy is offering Brandon Carr and Dashon Goldson. I'm leaning towards the 6.11.

 
Warpig said:
I've offered him up for ANYTHING in my one dynasty league. I have a couple offers sent to me. One guys is offering the 6.11 rookie pick. Another guy is offering Brandon Carr and Dashon Goldson. I'm leaning towards the 6.11.
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Ouch! Unreal how he destroyed all of his value

 
Warpig said:
I've offered him up for ANYTHING in my one dynasty league. I have a couple offers sent to me. One guys is offering the 6.11 rookie pick. Another guy is offering Brandon Carr and Dashon Goldson. I'm leaning towards the 6.11.
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LOL! The guy that offered the 6.11 backed out and revoked his offer. Said Blackmon is finished.

So I took the Brandon Carr and Dashon Goldson for Blackmon deal. Then I traded Carr for the 6.03. WINNING! :topcat:

So I traded Blackmon for Dashon Goldson and the 6.03 basically. Yeesh. And I just traded FOR Blackmon about 2 months ago. :(

 
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kb488 said:
I'm holding Blackmon - no point to have bought him high (rookie draft) only to sell for a fraction of the price.

The other thing I would like to point out is that we don't know what's going on with him specifically. Given the situation, the Jaguars are painting a bleak picture giving his locker away and through recent comments. No one has heard a peep from Blackmon during this latest suspension - with the exception of his car wreck.... so really it's only "one side" of the story. The only thing we can say it was not a DUI since that can be tied back to criminal records - and it's substance abuse elated.

The whole situation is sad.
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He can't have any alcohol no matter what. A DUI would just be gravy at this point.

 
kb488 said:
I'm holding Blackmon - no point to have bought him high (rookie draft) only to sell for a fraction of the price.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_costs

Now, granted, there are some prices that are too laughably low to be worth the effort of trading Blackmon away, but everyone has a price point where it makes more sense to trade them than to keep them, and what that price point is has everything to do with their expected future value and nothing to do with the initial cost of acquisition.

 
At this point all Blackmon is costing me is 1 of 2 IR spots. Until I need that spot, he's a lottery ticket. Probably be cutting him during the season I'd imagine.

 
With all these suspension stories, we never get the full story. The Jags have made it crystal clear the full story is much worse.

Is Blackmon worth the 6.11? Sure.

Is he worth the roster spot on my fantasy team? No way. I love the last roster spot on my fantasy team. That's where guys like Nick Foles and Marques Colston come from. That's where I am gonna have Mychel Rivera and Andre Williams this year. That's the spot I get to prove how slick I am, and where my favorite players are.

This guy has shown zero remorse. Doesn't think he has a problem. Pass. Pass. Pass.

 
I got to make a decision on this guy in a couple of months. Looks like I will be dropping him with the recent rumors I'm hearing. Just need to confirm. Man he had some potential...........

 
Milkman said:
I got to make a decision on this guy in a couple of months. Looks like I will be dropping him with the recent rumors I'm hearing. Just need to confirm. Man he had some potential...........
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I wouldn't drop him. I'd shop him. Maybe you get nothing for him but it's worth a shot. In my leagues I've seen him dealt and for more than I would have thought he could net the owner. Shop him.

 
jurb26 said:
Milkman said:
I got to make a decision on this guy in a couple of months. Looks like I will be dropping him with the recent rumors I'm hearing. Just need to confirm. Man he had some potential...........
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I wouldn't drop him. I'd shop him. Maybe you get nothing for him but it's worth a shot. In my leagues I've seen him dealt and for more than I would have thought he could net the owner. Shop him.
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I just got a 2nd round rookie pick (for my 4th) that turns into a 1st round rookie pick (for my 2nd) if he catches so much as one pass this season.

I hate to sell guys when their value is low, but I feel I got a decent return and his value could easily go even lower.

 
Shorts said on the radio today that he's reached out a few times to Blackmon, but he hasn't responded. And these two are friends. Not looking too promising.

 
Alcoholism is a disease. This is more proof of that fact. This guy had all the talent in the world. He could have been one of the 15 best WR in the NFL. He gave it all up to get his drink on. It won't be worth it obviously but he's not really thinking about that right now. I tried to shop him and nobody in my league even wants him. lol I can't hold him this year but imo he's probably played his last game.

 
We've heard nothing from him since the suspension except for the car accident and that he failed another test. He might be done with the NFL. Very sad.

 
cstu said:
We've heard nothing from him since the suspension except for the car accident and that he failed another test. He might be done with the NFL. Very sad.
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yeah, i was in denial thinking he would wake up, but doesn't look like it's gonna happen. i don't look at it as sad though, he made enough money that he should be set for life but based on his decision making he will probably blow it. He deserves what happens to him but i at least hope he's responsible with his money and that he can drink for the rest of his life without going broke.

 
ILUVBEER99 said:
cstu said:
We've heard nothing from him since the suspension except for the car accident and that he failed another test. He might be done with the NFL. Very sad.
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yeah, i was in denial thinking he would wake up, but doesn't look like it's gonna happen. i don't look at it as sad though, he made enough money that he should be set for life but based on his decision making he will probably blow it. He deserves what happens to him but i at least hope he's responsible with his money and that he can drink for the rest of his life without going broke.
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He had some offset language in his contract. The Jags can recover a huge portion of that.
 
cstu said:
We've heard nothing from him since the suspension except for the car accident and that he failed another test. He might be done with the NFL. Very sad.
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Did we hear for sure that he failed another test? I thought that was just informed speculation.

 
wdcrob said:
Could you guys talk to the guys in my leagues?

Tired of seeing Josh Gordon traded to bad teams for 90 cents on the dollar.
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Not sure I understand. You're saying that you think your league mates aren't discounting Gordon enough? Where would you have him ranked (either among WRs, or compared to rookie picks)?
 
I have a family member who has pretty much been addicted to everything you can think of and he told me the worst thing he was ever addicted to was alcohol. Said it was one of the toughest to kick too.

 
Adam Harstad said:
cstu said:
We've heard nothing from him since the suspension except for the car accident and that he failed another test. He might be done with the NFL. Very sad.
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Did we hear for sure that he failed another test? I thought that was just informed speculation.
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Speculation, but the coach said he doesn't expect Blackmon back this year despite him being eligible to be re-instated, the owner called it an absolute tragedy and the team used two 2nd round picks on WR and they cleared out his locker.

 
Adam Harstad said:
wdcrob said:
Could you guys talk to the guys in my leagues?

Tired of seeing Josh Gordon traded to bad teams for 90 cents on the dollar.
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Not sure I understand. You're saying that you think your league mates aren't discounting Gordon enough? Where would you have him ranked (either among WRs, or compared to rookie picks)?
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There are rookies currently being drafted in the 30s of rook drafts I'd rather roster.

I put the odds of him staying clean through a year of testing, coming back and staying clean afterward at 5-10%. I'd rather take a 5-10% flier elsewhere.

 
There is a significant difference between Gordon and Blackmon. Alcohol vs Marijuana.

First, one is more addictive than the other. Second the NFL is talking about changing the way they test for marijuana. Making it easier to pass a test.

On top of all that Gordon is better than Blackmon. I just got burned on the Blackmon fiasco and I am trying to buy Gordon right now. I would put his value at about 50% of what it was before his suspension (if he is suspended) and that could go up if the testing process is altered in any way that makes it harder to test positive for marijuana.

 
cstu said:
Adam Harstad said:
cstu said:
We've heard nothing from him since the suspension except for the car accident and that he failed another test. He might be done with the NFL. Very sad.
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Did we hear for sure that he failed another test? I thought that was just informed speculation.
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Speculation, but the coach said he doesn't expect Blackmon back this year despite him being eligible to be re-instated, the owner called it an absolute tragedy and the team used two 2nd round picks on WR and they cleared out his locker.
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Right. Clearly informed speculation, and speculation that I happen to agree with. I was just making sure there wasn't a news report somewhere that I had missed confirming our suspicions.

 
wdcrob said:
Adam Harstad said:
wdcrob said:
Could you guys talk to the guys in my leagues?

Tired of seeing Josh Gordon traded to bad teams for 90 cents on the dollar.
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Not sure I understand. You're saying that you think your league mates aren't discounting Gordon enough? Where would you have him ranked (either among WRs, or compared to rookie picks)?
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There are rookies currently being drafted in the 30s of rook drafts I'd rather roster.

I put the odds of him staying clean through a year of testing, coming back and staying clean afterward at 5-10%. I'd rather take a 5-10% flier elsewhere.
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Thanks. From your original post, I wasn't entirely certain whether you were complaining about the fact that people were getting Gordon too cheaply (as "90 cents on the dollar" typically suggests they're getting a discount), or the fact that they're paying too much for him (i.e. he should be going for 10 cents on the dollar, but instead he's fetching 90 cents on the dollar).

I'm seeing people all over the board on Gordon. Mike Clay, who I've got a lot of respect for and who typically tracks with my own beliefs much more than the average ranker, recently had Gordon at WR11 in dynasty, even after his recent suspension. That, to me, is absolutely bananas. That's failing to appreciate the true scope of the issue, here. I like what Rotoviz does, too, and yet they wrote an article saying "But I would probably give up Gordon for the 1.01 in rookie drafts. Those offers are apparently out there right now." (direct quote, emphasis mine). There are really smart guys who would still trade Randall Cobb, Percy Harvin, Antonio Brown, Jordy Nelson, Brandon Marshall, Keenan Allen, Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, or any other number of guys for Gordon.

It's not just the bad teams that are making 90-cents-on-the-dollar offers for Gordon. Lots of really good owners are doing it, too. There's just a huge and fundamental disagreement about the foundational issues and probabilities at play, here.

 
Milkman said:
There is a significant difference between Gordon and Blackmon. Alcohol vs Marijuana.

First, one is more addictive than the other. Second the NFL is talking about changing the way they test for marijuana. Making it easier to pass a test.

On top of all that Gordon is better than Blackmon. I just got burned on the Blackmon fiasco and I am trying to buy Gordon right now. I would put his value at about 50% of what it was before his suspension (if he is suspended) and that could go up if the testing process is altered in any way that makes it harder to test positive for marijuana.
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Those reports have since been denied by the NFLPA, and anyway, they suggested that changes to the policy were still years away (sucks in the meantime), would not be retroactive (which means Gordon would still be stuck in stage 3), and were contingent on the NFLPA approving HGH testing (which, at the current stage of negotiations, is an absolute pipe dream).

I strongly suspect that 10 years from now we'll be watching an NFL that has a much more lenient policy on marijuana (largely because I suspect that 10 years from now we'll be living in a country that has much more permissive attitudes towards marijuana). I also suspect that those changes will be too little, too late for the sake of Josh Gordon.

 
A television producer needs to locate Justin Blackmon & document his trials and tribulations getting (or not getting) back to NFL. The show would be called "Breaking Blackmon" and it would be a smash hit.

 
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