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Let's say he's notIf shady is still there he probably goes when the top handcuffs go 5-6 round
Let's say he's notIf shady is still there he probably goes when the top handcuffs go 5-6 round
Why wouldn't he be there?Let's say he's notIf shady is still there he probably goes when the top handcuffs go 5-6 round
Agreed, although to be fair, Buffalo has 5 guys with the last name Williams on their team so it can get a little confusing.VikingFrog said:Rotoworld blurb credits the fumble recovery TD to Karlos. Wouldn't that be a nice little addition for users of Karlos if he was also scoring TDs on defense/special teams!
You would think rotoworld would do a little fact checking.
Glad that was cleared up. Thanks. Took Roto's word for it and thought my league scoring was messed up.Agreed, although to be fair, Buffalo has 5 guys with the last name Williams on their team so it can get a little confusing.VikingFrog said:Rotoworld blurb credits the fumble recovery TD to Karlos. Wouldn't that be a nice little addition for users of Karlos if he was also scoring TDs on defense/special teams!
You would think rotoworld would do a little fact checking.
2nd without question but Shady will be there.Capella said:Let's say he's notshadyridr said:If shady is still there he probably goes when the top handcuffs go 5-6 round
You don't know that. People get hurt.2nd without question but Shady will be there.Capella said:Let's say he's notshadyridr said:If shady is still there he probably goes when the top handcuffs go 5-6 round
what if he starts running for 200 yards and catches 5 balls every game?What if he continues to score a touchdown in every game he plays in all season? The streak survives!
Then my mock draft looks something like this.what if he starts running for 200 yards and catches 5 balls every game?What if he continues to score a touchdown in every game he plays in all season? The streak survives!![]()
Hall of famersThen my mock draft looks something like this.1. Gronkwhat if he starts running for 200 yards and catches 5 balls every game?What if he continues to score a touchdown in every game he plays in all season? The streak survives!![]()
2. Christine Michael
3. Karlos "Touchdown Every Game" Williams
I have Gronk third but might move him up if he takes over PR duty from EdelmanThen my mock draft looks something like this.1. Gronkwhat if he starts running for 200 yards and catches 5 balls every game?What if he continues to score a touchdown in every game he plays in all season? The streak survives!![]()
2. Christine Michael
3. Karlos "Touchdown Every Game" Williams
Karlos is not a crapshoot. He is going to get 50-60 yards with a good chance for a TD. Bills offense can support both of them and Karlos is getting plenty of RZ work.That was a bailout TD last night where two defenders screwed up but I'll certainly take it. He wasn't close to getting one on the ground and McCoy isn't going anywhere and in fact looked great. Now Shady gets extra rest to boot. As good as Karlos is, it will be a crapshoot from here on out unless McCoy goes down.
I wouldn't get too excited unless we are talking dynasty. Then you're set, he's the real deal.
Disagree. You can't just pencil him in for that and saying he has a good chance at a TD is also overly optimistic. And if he doesn't get that TD you're counting on, then what? You get your clunker. You're basically counting on the TD's to keep coming. Careful with that.Karlos is not a crapshoot. He is going to get 50-60 yards with a good chance for a TD. Bills offense can support both of them and Karlos is getting plenty of RZ work.That was a bailout TD last night where two defenders screwed up but I'll certainly take it. He wasn't close to getting one on the ground and McCoy isn't going anywhere and in fact looked great. Now Shady gets extra rest to boot. As good as Karlos is, it will be a crapshoot from here on out unless McCoy goes down.
I wouldn't get too excited unless we are talking dynasty. Then you're set, he's the real deal.
The clunker is 50-60 yards and no touchdowns, if its really bad he'll get 30-40 yards. This is better and safer than many RBs, especially one who has RB1 upside. He also can and has been a part of the passing game, so game-flow doesn't hurt him so much.Disagree. You can't just pencil him in for that and saying he has a good chance at a TD is also overly optimistic. And if he doesn't get that TD you're counting on, then what? You get your clunker. You're basically counting on the TD's to keep coming. Careful with that.Karlos is not a crapshoot. He is going to get 50-60 yards with a good chance for a TD. Bills offense can support both of them and Karlos is getting plenty of RZ work.That was a bailout TD last night where two defenders screwed up but I'll certainly take it. He wasn't close to getting one on the ground and McCoy isn't going anywhere and in fact looked great. Now Shady gets extra rest to boot. As good as Karlos is, it will be a crapshoot from here on out unless McCoy goes down.
I wouldn't get too excited unless we are talking dynasty. Then you're set, he's the real deal.
The Bills also might not be in every game, allowing the run so much. 4 of their next 6 are on the road and they're not the Patriots. It most certainly is a crapshoot.
No its not. Right now his TD/Game ratio is 100%Disagree. You can't just pencil him in for that and saying he has a good chance at a TD is also overly optimistic. And if he doesn't get that TD you're counting on, then what? You get your clunker. You're basically counting on the TD's to keep coming. Careful with that.Karlos is not a crapshoot. He is going to get 50-60 yards with a good chance for a TD. Bills offense can support both of them and Karlos is getting plenty of RZ work.That was a bailout TD last night where two defenders screwed up but I'll certainly take it. He wasn't close to getting one on the ground and McCoy isn't going anywhere and in fact looked great. Now Shady gets extra rest to boot. As good as Karlos is, it will be a crapshoot from here on out unless McCoy goes down.
I wouldn't get too excited unless we are talking dynasty. Then you're set, he's the real deal.
The Bills also might not be in every game, allowing the run so much. 4 of their next 6 are on the road and they're not the Patriots. It most certainly is a crapshoot.
OMG no way REALLY? Nobody knew this and no regression is plausible. TD's are guarantees. Thanks, I'm going to trade for him now while his stock is so low.No its not. Right now his TD/Game ratio is 100%Disagree. You can't just pencil him in for that and saying he has a good chance at a TD is also overly optimistic. And if he doesn't get that TD you're counting on, then what? You get your clunker. You're basically counting on the TD's to keep coming. Careful with that.Karlos is not a crapshoot. He is going to get 50-60 yards with a good chance for a TD. Bills offense can support both of them and Karlos is getting plenty of RZ work.That was a bailout TD last night where two defenders screwed up but I'll certainly take it. He wasn't close to getting one on the ground and McCoy isn't going anywhere and in fact looked great. Now Shady gets extra rest to boot. As good as Karlos is, it will be a crapshoot from here on out unless McCoy goes down.
I wouldn't get too excited unless we are talking dynasty. Then you're set, he's the real deal.
The Bills also might not be in every game, allowing the run so much. 4 of their next 6 are on the road and they're not the Patriots. It most certainly is a crapshoot.
go for itOMG no way REALLY? Nobody knew this and no regression is plausible. TD's are guarantees. Thanks, I'm going to trade for him now while his stock is so low.No its not. Right now his TD/Game ratio is 100%Disagree. You can't just pencil him in for that and saying he has a good chance at a TD is also overly optimistic. And if he doesn't get that TD you're counting on, then what? You get your clunker. You're basically counting on the TD's to keep coming. Careful with that.Karlos is not a crapshoot. He is going to get 50-60 yards with a good chance for a TD. Bills offense can support both of them and Karlos is getting plenty of RZ work.That was a bailout TD last night where two defenders screwed up but I'll certainly take it. He wasn't close to getting one on the ground and McCoy isn't going anywhere and in fact looked great. Now Shady gets extra rest to boot. As good as Karlos is, it will be a crapshoot from here on out unless McCoy goes down.
I wouldn't get too excited unless we are talking dynasty. Then you're set, he's the real deal.
The Bills also might not be in every game, allowing the run so much. 4 of their next 6 are on the road and they're not the Patriots. It most certainly is a crapshoot.
How can you say that when he's averaged 14.4 FP/G in standard scoring while playing behind McCoy in 5 games this year?Very fluke td last night and McCoy looked quite a bit better than him. His value will only be there if McCoy gets hurt again, occasionally vulturing a td
I don't care when he gets 9 carries for 110 yards and 2 lucky TDs.He matched the all time record for TDs in first games played last night. I think regardless of his skill level, (even if you say he is the most talented back of all time, which he isn't) he has been lucky in the TD column. Even the top elite backs of all time have not done what he has in his first games as far as TD production goes. Some of that is luck. Hes very talented but there are a few stinkers waiting out thre as long as he continues to play behind McCoy. He's not Dion Lewis where you dont care if he only gets 7-9 carries. I cried when watching Dion's last game against Wash. Dion was looking so good before he went down aside from that easy TD he dropped) ... but I digress. Honestly McCoy looked very good last night, better than Karlos.
Completely agree with both points. But there is a lesser role carved out for Karlos where he shown he can easily score 5 pts as a floor.He matched the all time record for TDs in first games played last night. I think regardless of his skill level, (even if you say he is the most talented back of all time, which he isn't) he has been lucky in the TD column. Even the top elite backs of all time have not done what he has in his first games as far as TD production goes. Some of that is luck. Hes very talented but there are a few stinkers waiting out thre as long as he continues to play behind McCoy. He's not Dion Lewis where you dont care if he only gets 7-9 carries. I cried when watching Dion's last game against Wash. Dion was looking so good before he went down aside from that easy TD he dropped) ... but I digress. Honestly McCoy looked very good last night, better than Karlos.
He's had 2 carries inside the 10, I'm not sure if that counts as plenty Also he has had less than 25 yards rushing in 2 of his 6 games this year, I don't see how you can say his floor is 50-60 yards even if you count receptions. He has only caught a pass in 3 games. He has done well and he has a ton of talent, but his TD streak this year is one of the biggest flukes I've ever seen and it won't continue with the lack of touches. He could be a star if something happened to McCoy, but of course last time that happened, Karlos missed his opportunity and sat out the next 3 games. He's been on my team all season, but I doubt I have the guts to start him in a single game unless he starts getting more than a small handful of touches a game. Every bit of information points to this guy regressing unless something happens to McCoy.Karlos is not a crapshoot. He is going to get 50-60 yards with a good chance for a TD. Bills offense can support both of them and Karlos is getting plenty of RZ work.That was a bailout TD last night where two defenders screwed up but I'll certainly take it. He wasn't close to getting one on the ground and McCoy isn't going anywhere and in fact looked great. Now Shady gets extra rest to boot. As good as Karlos is, it will be a crapshoot from here on out unless McCoy goes down.
I wouldn't get too excited unless we are talking dynasty. Then you're set, he's the real deal.
With the RB landscape now you can certainly do worse. If you have better options, then yeah he's a sit, but he absolutely has some redraft utility as RB3/Flex with RB1 upside if something happens to McCoy.
I say that because through 6 games of his career he is averaging about 69 total yards per game.He's had 2 carries inside the 10, I'm not sure if that counts as plenty Also he has had less than 25 yards rushing in 2 of his 6 games this year, I don't see how you can say his floor is 50-60 yards even if you count receptions. He has only caught a pass in 3 games. He has done well and he has a ton of talent, but his TD streak this year is one of the biggest flukes I've ever seen and it won't continue with the lack of touches. He could be a star if something happened to McCoy, but of course last time that happened, Karlos missed his opportunity and sat out the next 3 games. He's been on my team all season, but I doubt I have the guts to start him in a single game unless he starts getting more than a small handful of touches a game. Every bit of information points to this guy regressing unless something happens to McCoy.Karlos is not a crapshoot. He is going to get 50-60 yards with a good chance for a TD. Bills offense can support both of them and Karlos is getting plenty of RZ work.That was a bailout TD last night where two defenders screwed up but I'll certainly take it. He wasn't close to getting one on the ground and McCoy isn't going anywhere and in fact looked great. Now Shady gets extra rest to boot. As good as Karlos is, it will be a crapshoot from here on out unless McCoy goes down.
I wouldn't get too excited unless we are talking dynasty. Then you're set, he's the real deal.
With the RB landscape now you can certainly do worse. If you have better options, then yeah he's a sit, but he absolutely has some redraft utility as RB3/Flex with RB1 upside if something happens to McCoy.
Careful with logic here, shadyridr will counter that his TD/game ratio is 100%. And that's what you go on.He's had 2 carries inside the 10, I'm not sure if that counts as plenty Also he has had less than 25 yards rushing in 2 of his 6 games this year, I don't see how you can say his floor is 50-60 yards even if you count receptions. He has only caught a pass in 3 games. He has done well and he has a ton of talent, but his TD streak this year is one of the biggest flukes I've ever seen and it won't continue with the lack of touches. He could be a star if something happened to McCoy, but of course last time that happened, Karlos missed his opportunity and sat out the next 3 games. He's been on my team all season, but I doubt I have the guts to start him in a single game unless he starts getting more than a small handful of touches a game. Every bit of information points to this guy regressing unless something happens to McCoy.Karlos is not a crapshoot. He is going to get 50-60 yards with a good chance for a TD. Bills offense can support both of them and Karlos is getting plenty of RZ work.That was a bailout TD last night where two defenders screwed up but I'll certainly take it. He wasn't close to getting one on the ground and McCoy isn't going anywhere and in fact looked great. Now Shady gets extra rest to boot. As good as Karlos is, it will be a crapshoot from here on out unless McCoy goes down.
I wouldn't get too excited unless we are talking dynasty. Then you're set, he's the real deal.
With the RB landscape now you can certainly do worse. If you have better options, then yeah he's a sit, but he absolutely has some redraft utility as RB3/Flex with RB1 upside if something happens to McCoy.
I don't believe McCoy was very healthy for the early part of the season. If last night is an indication of future carries then Williams is not someone I would be comfortable starting in any format. His value is great only if McCoy is hurt.How can you say that when he's averaged 14.4 FP/G in standard scoring while playing behind McCoy in 5 games this year?I don't think anyone think he's going to score a TD every game as he has, but its not just a fluke that he continues to score TDs. He's clearly a dynamic playmaker, both running and receiving. So happens that he's behind another really good playmaker at RB, but the offense has shown repeatedly it can support both RBs from a fantasy stand point.Very fluke td last night and McCoy looked quite a bit better than him. His value will only be there if McCoy gets hurt again, occasionally vulturing a td
Even with some negative regression, I'd have to put his odds of scoring a TD around 50%.
Breakdown of carries in weeks both Karlos & McCoy played..I don't believe McCoy was very healthy for the early part of the season. If last night is an indication of future carries then Williams is not someone I would be comfortable starting in any format. His value is great only if McCoy is hurt.How can you say that when he's averaged 14.4 FP/G in standard scoring while playing behind McCoy in 5 games this year?I don't think anyone think he's going to score a TD every game as he has, but its not just a fluke that he continues to score TDs. He's clearly a dynamic playmaker, both running and receiving. So happens that he's behind another really good playmaker at RB, but the offense has shown repeatedly it can support both RBs from a fantasy stand point.Very fluke td last night and McCoy looked quite a bit better than him. His value will only be there if McCoy gets hurt again, occasionally vulturing a td
Even with some negative regression, I'd have to put his odds of scoring a TD around 50%.
What makes you say that?I'm not sure Karlos is cut out to be a 20-touch per game workhorse.
To say McCoy looked quite a bit better is just giving him credit for style points. Williams has been decidedly more effective than McCoy, it's just not as pretty. Can't wait until 2017 when Williams will likely have this job to himself.Very fluke td last night and McCoy looked quite a bit better than him. His value will only be there if McCoy gets hurt again, occasionally vulturing a td
I think he is that kind of guy, but I don't think he'd prioritize that over beating the Patriots. He badly wants to beat them. If BUF is getting blown out, I could see him giving Karlos a few extra touches for the record.Is Rex the kind of guy to call this guys number next week JUST to get the kid the record? Might be worth a start if you're reasonably sure Rex would go out of his way to help him instead of maybe doing what's best for the team.
Totally different types of running styles. So your claim that shady looked better is not accurateVery fluke td last night and McCoy looked quite a bit better than him. His value will only be there if McCoy gets hurt again, occasionally vulturing a td
Look, just my opinion from watching last night. In a redraft drafting today, McCoy is clearly the back to own. Williams looks like he may do well long term but time will tellTotally different types of running styles. So your claim that shady looked better is not accurateVery fluke td last night and McCoy looked quite a bit better than him. His value will only be there if McCoy gets hurt again, occasionally vulturing a td
It isn't a binary choice though. Nobody is saying that in redraft Karlos is the back to own of the two, just that he has RB2~3/Flex appeal even with McCoy doing his thing.Look, just my opinion from watching last night. In a redraft drafting today, McCoy is clearly the back to own. Williams looks like he may do well long term but time will tellTotally different types of running styles. So your claim that shady looked better is not accurateVery fluke td last night and McCoy looked quite a bit better than him. His value will only be there if McCoy gets hurt again, occasionally vulturing a td
I agree with this. Very similar to Murray/MathewsIt isn't a binary choice though. Nobody is saying that in redraft Karlos is the back to own of the two, just that he has RB2~3/Flex appeal even with McCoy doing his thing.Look, just my opinion from watching last night. In a redraft drafting today, McCoy is clearly the back to own. Williams looks like he may do well long term but time will tellTotally different types of running styles. So your claim that shady looked better is not accurateVery fluke td last night and McCoy looked quite a bit better than him. His value will only be there if McCoy gets hurt again, occasionally vulturing a td
To each his own. I would not be comfortable starting Williams as my rb 2 going forward unless McCoy is hurtIt isn't a binary choice though. Nobody is saying that in redraft Karlos is the back to own of the two, just that he has RB2~3/Flex appeal even with McCoy doing his thing.Look, just my opinion from watching last night. In a redraft drafting today, McCoy is clearly the back to own. Williams looks like he may do well long term but time will tellTotally different types of running styles. So your claim that shady looked better is not accurateVery fluke td last night and McCoy looked quite a bit better than him. His value will only be there if McCoy gets hurt again, occasionally vulturing a td
What about in your flex spot?Don said:To each his own. I would not be comfortable starting Williams as my rb 2 going forward unless McCoy is hurttone1oc said:It isn't a binary choice though. Nobody is saying that in redraft Karlos is the back to own of the two, just that he has RB2~3/Flex appeal even with McCoy doing his thing.Don said:Look, just my opinion from watching last night. In a redraft drafting today, McCoy is clearly the back to own. Williams looks like he may do well long term but time will tellrjv said:Totally different types of running styles. So your claim that shady looked better is not accurateDon said:Very fluke td last night and McCoy looked quite a bit better than him. His value will only be there if McCoy gets hurt again, occasionally vulturing a td
I'm not sure about this either. The guy is 6'1" 230 lbs, which also happens to be the same size as guys like Le'Veon Bell, Latavius Murray, and Todd Gurly. I would say he is pretty much the ideal size to be a 20+ touch per game workhorse back in the NFL.GroveDiesel said:What makes you say that?I'm not sure Karlos is cut out to be a 20-touch per game workhorse.
This is actually a misconception people have a out concussions, and I dont know where it comes from. ESPN maybe? I dont know. When you get one concussion, as long as you recover, you are not at risk for future concussions. The most at risk time period is 10-14 days following an episode. After that you are no more at risk than yo were before you got your concussion. What puts people at a higher risk is their style of running, tackling, etch. If you lead with your head yeah you are at more risk.Soft melon. More carries = more chances to get another concussion. Which sucks because he looks like the second best back in this class.
Yeah but then message board tough-guys like Sabertooth wouldn't have anything to bluster about.This is actually a misconception people have a out concussions, and I dont know where it comes from. ESPN maybe? I dont know. When you get one concussion, as long as you recover, you are not at risk for future concussions. The most at risk time period is 10-14 days following an episode. After that you are no more at risk than yo were before you got your concussion. What puts people at a higher risk is their style of running, tackling, etch. If you lead with your head yeah you are at more risk.Soft melon. More carries = more chances to get another concussion. Which sucks because he looks like the second best back in this class.