Kelce on Justin Tucker (1 Viewer)

[efactor]

Not making excuses for Tucker, or blaming all of these massage people, but does anyone ever wonder how professional some of these massages really are from both parties involved?

Yeah, a lot of services on the "secret" menu of some of these "massage" parlors. As someone who has had a lot of massages over my lifetime, I have never had the urge or need to go beyond traditional massage services, but have known several people that did. Kind of pathetic IMO, but it exists and is fairly common. Like Robert Kraft, Tucker is 7 kinds of stupid regardless of the circumstances. Even as a kicker, he is well known. Could be a case of money grab or maybe he is just a scumbag

Here are two of the websites of spas Tucker is alleged to have visited.

Home - The Healing Path - Baltimore Massage & Wellness

Premier Massage and Skincare Studio Serving Baltimore and beyond for over 20 years. At Healing Path Baltimore, we empower your mind, body, and soul. BOOK NOW Premier Massage and Skincare Studio Serving Baltimore and beyond for over 20 years. At Healing Path Baltimore, we empower your mind, body...

healingpathbaltimore.com

When you feel good, we feel good!

www.ojaswellness.com

Neither strikes me as the type of "massage parlor" you are referencing. Healing Path Baltimore specifically offers sports therapy massages.

As with Deshaun Watson, it is highly irregular for a highly paid athlete to not have a set massage therapist, let alone one organized by the team. The visiting of multiple spas is a pretty clear tell here.

Hate to break it to you, but this kind of shiot goes on in upper scale resorts and spas too, not just the downtown spots. It's not like their websites will advertise it. Certainly not saying either of these places in involved in anything outside of their stated services, but again, it does go on in upscale spas.

And while I agree that most athletes who are after a pure sports massage would have a regular therapist, Tucker obviously wasn't after that, so not unusual that he would visit multiple therapists hoping to strike his version of "gold".

I'm amazed that in this day and age, camera's aren't everywhere, not just to protect the therapists, but also the client. If the therapist and the client are above board, I don't see why cameras would be an issue for either.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Not making excuses for Tucker, or blaming all of these massage people, but does anyone ever wonder how professional some of these massages really are from both parties involved?

Yeah, a lot of services on the "secret" menu of some of these "massage" parlors. As someone who has had a lot of massages over my lifetime, I have never had the urge or need to go beyond traditional massage services, but have known several people that did. Kind of pathetic IMO, but it exists and is fairly common. Like Robert Kraft, Tucker is 7 kinds of stupid regardless of the circumstances. Even as a kicker, he is well known. Could be a case of money grab or maybe he is just a scumbag

Here are two of the websites of spas Tucker is alleged to have visited.

Home - The Healing Path - Baltimore Massage & Wellness

Premier Massage and Skincare Studio Serving Baltimore and beyond for over 20 years. At Healing Path Baltimore, we empower your mind, body, and soul. BOOK NOW Premier Massage and Skincare Studio Serving Baltimore and beyond for over 20 years. At Healing Path Baltimore, we empower your mind, body...

healingpathbaltimore.com

When you feel good, we feel good!

www.ojaswellness.com

Neither strikes me as the type of "massage parlor" you are referencing. Healing Path Baltimore specifically offers sports therapy massages.

As with Deshaun Watson, it is highly irregular for a highly paid athlete to not have a set massage therapist, let alone one organized by the team. The visiting of multiple spas is a pretty clear tell here.

Yep. And as I’d mentioned, part of the thrill for deviants is doing it with actual professional therapists.

It’s the demeaning dynamic they get off on. At least that’s what I’ve read.

I don’t know Tucker, and at the moment these are merely allegations, but he could have easily gone to a seedy massage joint if he’d just wanted an “old fashioned”.

But going to multiple licensed therapists / sports med women & doing this stuff is definitely a tell if it proves to be accurate.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm amazed that in this day and age, camera's aren't everywhere, not just to protect the therapists, but also the client. If the therapist and the client are above board, I don't see why cameras would be an issue for either.

That’s definitely crossing a line of privacy though.

Any time nudity is involved, cameras are a no-go, regardless of legality. Lack of cameras doesn’t mean everything goes.

And someone could be exploited just for nude photos, so no - cameras should not be in the room where a pro athlete is getting a massage. That’s a fairly unreasonable demand.

 

[GregR]

In either case it is wildly inappropriate behavior, and IIRC from the Watson episode, the women he was inappropriate with were in the category of licensed CMTs.

Going from memory but I was pretty read up on the Watson situation so believe this is all correct. I believe Watson's situation would be characterized primarily as him spotting women on Instagram and reaching out to them for massages. As far as their qualifications in massage, some (edit: many) were very qualified professionals, and others were not in the massage business. One was an esthetician (skin care person) who told him she wasn't a masseuse and he hired her for one anyway.

My impression is Watson was probably just surfing Instagram for women he found attractive and then trying to get a "massage" from them, with a lot of them working in that field but definitely not restricting himself to that like you would if you were actually seeking a massage. Again, my impression there. Most of the women were independent, not working for a spa.

Tucker's situation seems to differ strongly there in that these allegations are coming from brick and mortar spas. Which might (or might not) result in some differences in the level of documentation vs the he-said-she-said that resulted with Watson a lot. The independent ones with Watson didn't have a lot more documentation than people they'd told about their incident, texts relating to it, etc.

With two spas that reportedly banned Tucker, there would likely be a management structure involved so more people immediately involved. Possibly having documented it in some fashion. It has been a lot of years, but as pointed out on sports radio talk here, there is also at least the possibility of video still existing. Which, by showing when he arrived and if he left early, could corroborate details like that a session was cut short as claimed to have happened due to his behavior.

 

[Grahamburn]

Not making excuses for Tucker, or blaming all of these massage people, but does anyone ever wonder how professional some of these massages really are from both parties involved?

Have you ever had a professional deep tissue massage?

It’s not a sexual experience unless one of the parties is trying to deliberately take it in that direction.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Apparently there were tweets from 2021 about his being banned from spas.

Old tweets hinted at the Justin Tucker allegations

Allegations against Ravens kicker Justin Tucker of improper conduct during massage therapy sessions first surfaced on Thursday.

www.nbcsports.com

Also here’s the reddit rando.

https://np.reddit.com/r/nflmemes/comments/11upxpv/day_22_of_getting_rid_of_nfl_teams_until_1_is/jcq7lsr/

 

[General Malaise]

This is a wasted post. Who cares??? It's a kicker...

Who cares? The women who were assaulted and their families/friends probably.

That attitude is how these scumbags keep getting away with this stuff.

Well said, Graham. Attitudes like this are why women are reluctant to come forward.

 

[metoo]

Not making excuses for Tucker, or blaming all of these massage people, but does anyone ever wonder how professional some of these massages really are from both parties involved?

Have you ever had a professional deep tissue massage?

It’s not a sexual experience unless one of the parties is trying to deliberately take it in that direction.

I was almost crying my first time, you’re weird if that does something for you.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I was almost crying my first time, you’re weird if that does something for you.

My GF at the time took me to Calistoga one weekend for couples massages.

I had a Swedish chick who reminded me of Ivan Drago. “I must break you”.

She put a hurting on me. I did feel much better for it the next day though.

 

[JohnnyU]

I was almost crying my first time, you’re weird if that does something for you.

My GF at the time took me to Calistoga one weekend for couples massages.

I had a Swedish chick who reminded me of Ivan Drago. “I must break you”.

She put a hurting on me. I did feel much better for it the next day though.

I have arthritis in my shoulders, back, and hips. It does hurt like hell the first couple of times, but eventually I got used to it. I would say it provided some help, but with arthritis, you’re probably not going to benefit a whole lot. I stopped going after about 4 times. It’s more help for alignment or muscle issues, not joint problems not related to alignment problems.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It’s more help for alignment or muscle issues, not joint problems not related to alignment problems.

That and getting tenderized like a steak.

 

[efactor]

I was almost crying my first time, you’re weird if that does something for you.

My GF at the time took me to Calistoga one weekend for couples massages.

I had a Swedish chick who reminded me of Ivan Drago. “I must break you”.

She put a hurting on me. I did feel much better for it the next day though.

Did a couples massage in Cabo with my ex-wife. Afterward I asked how it was. She said it was good and the dude really did his due diligence working the assss area. Couldn't really blame him though

 

[pecorino]

does this affect him getting into the HOF?

I'll opine. If he is found to be guilty of even one such charge then this will absolutely have an effect. Kickers are not high on the list for admission to the HoF and any external reason to keep him out would be relevant. And this is not just any old reason--it's super serious and would keep him out.

 

[Deamon]

does this affect him getting into the HOF?

I'll opine. If he is found to be guilty of even one such charge then this will absolutely have an effect. Kickers are not high on the list for admission to the HoF and any external reason to keep him out would be relevant. And this is not just any old reason--it's super serious and would keep him out.

Yeah, might be tough for him to get in after his year of Missing Kicks and Violating Chicks.

 

[ChiefD]

Yep. And as I’d mentioned, part of the thrill for deviants is doing it with actual professional therapists.

It’s the demeaning dynamic they get off on. At least that’s what I’ve read

Are you serious with this?

Come on man. You have no clue along with the rest of us on what makes people tick. You think Tucker and Watson et al are trying to “demean a therapist”?

Get out of here with this.

 

[JohnnyU]

Yep. And as I’d mentioned, part of the thrill for deviants is doing it with actual professional therapists.

It’s the demeaning dynamic they get off on. At least that’s what I’ve read

Are you serious with this?

Come on man. You have no clue along with the rest of us on what makes people tick. You think Tucker and Watson et al are trying to “demean a therapist”?

Get out of here with this.

Or maybe sex drives it

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Are you serious with this?

Come on man. You have no clue along with the rest of us on what makes people tick. You think Tucker and Watson et al are trying to “demean a therapist”?

Get out of here with this.

I am. Ive read quite a bit about it.

You’re welcome to go look at relevant material to corroborate.

Like rape isn’t only about sex, the same goes for stuff like this. I’m not making this up out of whole cloth.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Or maybe sex drives it

That’s possible, but then why not just go to the kind of place Kraft was busted at?

Doing it this way only increased Tucker’s risk of getting outted for it.

I’m not saying I know the answer, and sure - maybe it was just about sex. But he certainly went about it in a n extremely risky manner if that’s the case.

 

[rockaction]

Come on man. You have no clue along with the rest of us on what makes people tick. You think Tucker and Watson et al are trying to “demean a therapist”?

It sure could be. Some guys get off on power and the exercise thereof. I wouldn't be so quick to jump down HSG's throat on this one. He's talking about a psychological phenomenon, and is not, as he says, "making this up out of whole cloth."

He's not. This is pretty standard stuff.

It's weird, I guess I'm post-post-modern because I assume everybody knows this and I'm constantly reminded on this message board that they don't. And I hope that this doesn't come across as holier-than-thou, but you're sort of caustic towards HSG nd he's saying nothing controversial nor new about behavior like this.

 

[pinkstapler]

Come on man. You have no clue along with the rest of us on what makes people tick. You think Tucker and Watson et al are trying to “demean a therapist”?

It sure could be. Some guys get off on power and the exercise thereof. I wouldn't be so quick to jump down HSG's throat on this one. He's talking about a psychological phenomenon, and is not, as he says, "making this up out of whole cloth."

He's not. This is pretty standard stuff.

It's weird, I guess I'm post-post-modern because I assume everybody knows this and I'm constantly reminded on this message board that they don't. And I hope that this doesn't come across as holier-than-thou, but you're sort of caustic towards HSG nd he's saying nothing controversial nor new about behavior like this.

Not attempting to pigeon hole anyone on these boards, as maybe ChiefD was just/more pointing out HSG isn't a trained professional in the field, not discrediting the field itself; but in general a lot of people still unfortunately look at Psychology and related fields as a step or two off from something like astrology. While it is generally considered a "soft science", in reality it's much, much closer to the medical field than it is to crystals and the zodiac lol. If anything, IMO, people overrate the accuracies of medical field which artificially puts more distance between your local physician compared to your local psychologist than should be attributed. Pretty sure just about everyone has been through situations with doctors of a "hard science" who still misdiagnose you three times before getting it right, or have to start and stop half a dozen medications till they find one that "works for you". But those are probably conveniences of rationalization as in general people are more prone to minimize mental health issues for themselves but exaggerate their physical medical issues. <- MA in clinical counseling psych

 

[rockaction]

Not attempting to pigeon hole anyone on these boards, as maybe ChiefD was just/more pointing out HSG isn't a trained professional in the field, not discrediting the field itself;

This is fair and I don't want to get on ChiefD about it. I like ChiefD. I just thought HSG wasn't too far off from what I'd read, too.

While it is generally considered a "soft science", in reality it's much, much closer to the medical field than it is to crystals and the zodiac lol.

It at least uses the scientific method. That alone puts it light years ahead of those two.

 

[pinkstapler]

Not attempting to pigeon hole anyone on these boards, as maybe ChiefD was just/more pointing out HSG isn't a trained professional in the field, not discrediting the field itself;

This is fair and I don't want to get on ChiefD about it. I like ChiefD. I just thought HSG wasn't too far off from what I'd read, too.

While it is generally considered a "soft science", in reality it's much, much closer to the medical field than it is to crystals and the zodiac lol.

It at least uses the scientific method. That alone puts it light years ahead of those two.

Yeah the whole situation stinks. And we don't really gain much by speculating on it, except a lot of hard feelings and misinterpretations that result in arguments. I got more involved than I wound up wanting to be in the Watson thread pointing out things like why victims wait so long to come forward about stuff like this (if they ever do); at least that there is a lot of data that backs up the fact it is a thing that happens and shouldn't necessarily be viewed as suspicious. But trying to educate people, especially those who didn't ask for it, can just come off as condescending and isn't well received. So will probably leave this thread unclicked for the foreseeable future and avoid the frustration of people who don't understand/don't care to understand the dynamics behind sexual assault.

 

[Zow]

I was almost crying my first time, you’re weird if that does something for you.

My GF at the time took me to Calistoga one weekend for couples massages.

I had a Swedish chick who reminded me of Ivan Drago. “I must break you”.

She put a hurting on me. I did feel much better for it the next day though.

Yep.

The older I get and the more out of shape I get, the more I need professional massages for my back. I find nothing sexual or sensual about them. They're painful though obviously in a good way as you do feel much better a day or two after them. But during? Nope, it's just pain and I'm usually quite lightheaded afterwards to sometimes feeling like I may throw up.

I have never once had an "accidental" erection during them nor ever had the blankets slip off or anything like that. I was actually surprised to read that the complainant masseuses acknowledge that this sometimes happen and I'll defer to them, but such has never by my experience. My experience is that going to the masseuse for the therapeutic reasons is like going to your doctor or dentist.

I do also find it odd that Tucker wouldn't just hire his own masseuse or use a team masseuse. I have to imagine the team facility has cold plunges, steam rooms, etc. that oftentimes go along with a massage.

 

[Zow]

Yep. And as I’d mentioned, part of the thrill for deviants is doing it with actual professional therapists.

It’s the demeaning dynamic they get off on. At least that’s what I’ve read

Are you serious with this?

Come on man. You have no clue along with the rest of us on what makes people tick. You think Tucker and Watson et al are trying to “demean a therapist”?

Get out of here with this.

I'm not saying he's right as it applies to Tucker, but what he says seem quite plausible to me.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Yep. And as I’d mentioned, part of the thrill for deviants is doing it with actual professional therapists.

It’s the demeaning dynamic they get off on. At least that’s what I’ve read

Are you serious with this?

Come on man. You have no clue along with the rest of us on what makes people tick. You think Tucker and Watson et al are trying to “demean a therapist”?

Get out of here with this.

I'm not saying he's right as it applies to Tucker, but what he says seem quite plausible to me.

Alpha behavior involves dominating. It’s actually what makes the alpha the alpha. Demeaning/dominating. Same thing in this instance imho.

 

[JohnnyU]

Lots of psychiratrists in here.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Lots of psychiratrists in here.

What’s been troubling you lately?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I was almost crying my first time, you’re weird if that does something for you.

My GF at the time took me to Calistoga one weekend for couples massages.

I had a Swedish chick who reminded me of Ivan Drago. “I must break you”.

She put a hurting on me. I did feel much better for it the next day though.

Yep.

The older I get and the more out of shape I get, the more I need professional massages for my back. I find nothing sexual or sensual about them. They're painful though obviously in a good way as you do feel much better a day or two after them. But during? Nope, it's just pain and I'm usually quite lightheaded afterwards to sometimes feeling like I may throw up.

I have never once had an "accidental" erection during them nor ever had the blankets slip off or anything like that. I was actually surprised to read that the complainant masseuses acknowledge that this sometimes happen and I'll defer to them, but such has never by my experience. My experience is that going to the masseuse for the therapeutic reasons is like going to your doctor or dentist.

I do also find it odd that Tucker wouldn't just hire his own masseuse or use a team masseuse. I have to imagine the team facility has cold plunges, steam rooms, etc. that oftentimes go along with a massage.

Yeah, I’ve gone to a couple Thai places where they fold you into a pretzel & walk on your back - zero erotic, 8/10 pain.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Lots of psychiratrists in here.

What’s been troubling you lately?

He is a Colts fan, so… QB is probably near the top of his list.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm not saying he's right as it applies to Tucker, but what he says seem quite plausible to me.

And to be fair (to me) I never said it was correct about Tucker either. It’s just one possibility, seemingly supported by his methodology.

Occam’s razor and all that.

But I did specifically say I didn’t know for sure if that was the case here. I just know it’s a thing.

 

[JohnnyU]

Lots of psychiratrists in here.

What’s been troubling you lately?

He is a Colts fan, so… QB is probably near the top of his list.

As someone that lives in Minnesota would say, "You got that right".

 

[JohnnyU]

Lots of psychiratrists in here.

What’s been troubling you lately?

How many hours do you have to kill?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Lots of psychiratrists in here.

What’s been troubling you lately?

How many hours do you have to kill?

As long we don’t dive too deep onto the QB issue we both have, I’m all yours. I’ll clear my calendar

 

[dickey moe]

Lots of psychiratrists in here.

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[Uruk-Hai]

It wouldn't surprise me if there was a mutual separation between Baltimore and Tucker sometime soon.

 

[Deamon]

It wouldn't surprise me if there was a mutual separation between Baltimore and Tucker sometime soon.

Can't believe it hasn't happened yet. I'm guessing it will asap.

 

[efactor]

It wouldn't surprise me if there was a mutual separation between Baltimore and Tucker sometime soon.

Can't believe it hasn't happened yet. I'm guessing it will asap.

Innocent until proven guilty?

 

[JohnnyU]

It wouldn't surprise me if there was a mutual separation between Baltimore and Tucker sometime soon.

Can't believe it hasn't happened yet. I'm guessing it will asap.

Innocent until proven guilty?

Not with the internet.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

It wouldn't surprise me if there was a mutual separation between Baltimore and Tucker sometime soon.

Can't believe it hasn't happened yet. I'm guessing it will asap.

The fact that he has dropped off so badly will make it very easy.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

It wouldn't surprise me if there was a mutual separation between Baltimore and Tucker sometime soon.

Can't believe it hasn't happened yet. I'm guessing it will asap.

Innocent until proven guilty?

I agree with this and will until the day I die. I'd bet on him being gone, but I'm a horrible gambler.

 

[JohnnyU]

It wouldn't surprise me if there was a mutual separation between Baltimore and Tucker sometime soon.

Can't believe it hasn't happened yet. I'm guessing it will asap.

Innocent until proven guilty?

I agree with this and will until the day I die. I'd bet on him being gone, but I'm a horrible gambler.

Go "all-in" for the win.

 

[Banger]

I didn't read through the entire thread but the timing of this seems odd. The alleged activities occurred 9-14 years ago and they are coming out now? The year when Tucker has faltered and became human among kickers. Does Tucker have guarantees or contract terms the Ravens may look to get out of? Just seems odd that a paper would out of the blue start looking into this from nearly a decade ago, especially when there seems to be no formal complaints. It's not like the women were making an issue of this past behavior. Seems like someone tipped the paper off for some reason....

 

[metoo]

I didn't read through the entire thread but the timing of this seems odd. The alleged activities occurred 9-14 years ago and they are coming out now? The year when Tucker has faltered and became human among kickers. Does Tucker have guarantees or contract terms the Ravens may look to get out of? Just seems odd that a paper would out of the blue start looking into this from nearly a decade ago, especially when there seems to be no formal complaints. It's not like the women were making an issue of this past behavior. Seems like someone tipped the paper off for some reason....

Teams for the most part have some indication what a player is doing. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Ravens dropped this story to make it easier to let go of Tucker. It will always be about, are you worth the aggravation.

 

[SayWhat?]

Accusations against Tucker’s *ahem* alleged *ahem* behavior now total 16 therapists across 8 different spas. Oof.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Yeah, this is reaching Desean Watson levels of WTF

7 more massage therapists accuse Ravens’ Justin Tucker of inappropriate sexual behavior

The new accusers provided similar details about Baltimore Ravens kicker Justin Tucker that The Baltimore Banner had not previously reported.

www.thebaltimorebanner.com

The league will need to get involved here IMO.

 

[JohnnyU]

Slow NFL news? He’s a damn kicker. I can find one better off the waiver wire now.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

The league will need to get involved here IMO.

I don't think it'll get that far in regards to Tucker being on Baltimore's roster.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Slow NFL news? He’s a damn kicker. I can find one better off the waiver wire now.

I mean, serial sexual assault is kind of a bad look, and warrants investigation similar to the Watson situation. Position isn’t really a deciding factor.

Given his performance I have no doubt the team will cut him. But he was arguably the best K in the game for years. What a way to end a somewhat storied career.

 

[Zow]

Slow NFL news? He’s a damn kicker. I can find one better off the waiver wire now.

I mean, serial sexual assault is kind of a bad look, and warrants investigation similar to the Watson situation. Position isn’t really a deciding factor.

Given his performance I have no doubt the team will cut him. But he was arguably the best K in the game for years. What a way to end a somewhat storied career.

Yeah this is very legitimate news. He’s got a strong HOF case and arguably the GOAT at his position.

 

[ghostguy123]

Yep. And as I’d mentioned, part of the thrill for deviants is doing it with actual professional therapists.

It’s the demeaning dynamic they get off on. At least that’s what I’ve read

Are you serious with this?

Come on man. You have no clue along with the rest of us on what makes people tick. You think Tucker and Watson et al are trying to “demean a therapist”?

Get out of here with this.

I can't say for sure that Watson and Tucker are this, but he's absolutely right.