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Kellen Winslow Jr. (1 Viewer)

4/23/06

There is a feel-good mood in the Browns building about TE Kellen Winslow's comeback. The team's 2004 first-round draft pick, Winslow has played only two games because of injuries, but he has been running routes in the privacy of the team practice facility and looking good doing it. He has been spending a lot of time working with QB Charlie Frye as they familiarize themselves with the Browns' offense. Winslow is probably about 85 percent recovered from his knee injury, and the Browns hope he will be 100 percent by May or June. . . .

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=85983

 
I read somewhere that he was hanging with Charles Rogers; they are both highly dedicated to working hard, improving their attitudes and they both hope to play a whole game this season before they are sidelined by injury again. :sarcasm:

 
4/23/06

There is a feel-good mood in the Browns building about TE Kellen Winslow's comeback. The team's 2004 first-round draft pick, Winslow has played only two games because of injuries, but he has been running routes in the privacy of the team practice facility and looking good doing it. He has been spending a lot of time working with QB Charlie Frye as they familiarize themselves with the Browns' offense. Winslow is probably about 85 percent recovered from his knee injury, and the Browns hope he will be 100 percent by May or June. . . .

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=85983
thanks.....just curious....I picked him up at the end of last year off our WW. Still can't work out how I feel about him, seems like a grade A moron, but not a wretched human being......
 
This year his contract is almost 100% incentives. These are the kind of people you want on your fantasy teams. He has to preform to get paid. As long as Winslow comes back at over 90 % healthy I'm putting him definetly in my top ten if not top 5. I think he could be had at a real steal this year in drafts.

 
Blackjacks,

You have extremely high hopes for a guy who has only 5 catches in two full seasons with the NFL. He had a football accident and then he was foolish, but either way the facts are that he has a lot of potential with no indication that he will provide the kind of performance he claims. He is too high a risk in my opinion.

Kind of like taking a hit when you are sitting with 20 on the blackjack table ...

 
come on, takeing a hit on 20? More like 16 of you think the dealer has 17. lol

I wonder if the Browns will play him on specialty teams? Then maybe the odds go up to takeing a hit on 18. But no way 20! Dynasty leagues that own him might just get some production. Time will tell.

 
Blackjacks,

You have extremely high hopes for a guy who has only 5 catches in two full seasons with the NFL. He had a football accident and then he was foolish, but either way the facts are that he has a lot of potential with no indication that he will provide the kind of performance he claims. He is too high a risk in my opinion.

Kind of like taking a hit when you are sitting with 20 on the blackjack table ...
I am thinking along these same lines. Also after his injury there was speculation that he might not ever regain his full athletic ability. I am going to have to see him play first before I risk a draft pick on him. There are just too many good TE's this year to warrent the risk.
 
Blackjacks,

You have extremely high hopes for a guy who has only 5 catches in two full seasons with the NFL. He had a football accident and then he was foolish, but either way the facts are that he has a lot of potential with no indication that he will provide the kind of performance he claims. He is too high a risk in my opinion.

Kind of like taking a hit when you are sitting with 20 on the blackjack table ...
I am thinking along these same lines. Also after his injury there was speculation that he might not ever regain his full athletic ability. I am going to have to see him play first before I risk a draft pick on him. There are just too many good TE's this year to warrent the risk.
The big point was how his ocntract is set up. I doubt he would accept this if he didn't think he would be 100%.
 
This year his contract is almost 100% incentives. These are the kind of people you want on your fantasy teams. He has to preform to get paid. As long as Winslow comes back at over 90 % healthy I'm putting him definetly in my top ten if not top 5. I think he could be had at a real steal this year in drafts.
Top 5? Most players take 2 years to recover from ACL tears...especially guys who need their speed and quickness to be effective like Winslow. On top of that he is only 85% right now. It's great that he's working with Frye and appears to be on the right track, but I think a year without any set backs should be the first goal. The chances of him being top 10 are slim and I don't think there's a chance he is top 5.

 
This year his contract is almost 100% incentives. These are the kind of people you want on your fantasy teams. He has to preform to get paid. As long as Winslow comes back at over 90 % healthy I'm putting him definetly in my top ten if not top 5. I think he could be had at a real steal this year in drafts.
Top 5? Most players take 2 years to recover from ACL tears...especially guys who need their speed and quickness to be effective like Winslow. On top of that he is only 85% right now. It's great that he's working with Frye and appears to be on the right track, but I think a year without any set backs should be the first goal. The chances of him being top 10 are slim and I don't think there's a chance he is top 5.
With most positions I would agree with you but TE might have the best chance of being more effective in one year. Plus the adv. is it has been a whole year, he didn't do this during the season he did it before mini camps. Jamal Lewis had a very successful year after his ACL was torn in mini camps and again that's a rb who needs his knee alot more in cuts and takes more contact. By looking at the preseason ranking if Duece can be mentioned in the top 15 rb's and J. Walker in the top 20 wr's I see no reason to put Winslow in the top 10 at te. His injury happend almost 3 months before J. Walker's and 4 months before Duece's.
 
This year his contract is almost 100% incentives. These are the kind of people you want on your fantasy teams. He has to preform to get paid. As long as Winslow comes back at over 90 % healthy I'm putting him definetly in my top ten if not top 5. I think he could be had at a real steal this year in drafts.
Top 5? Most players take 2 years to recover from ACL tears...especially guys who need their speed and quickness to be effective like Winslow. On top of that he is only 85% right now. It's great that he's working with Frye and appears to be on the right track, but I think a year without any set backs should be the first goal. The chances of him being top 10 are slim and I don't think there's a chance he is top 5.
With most positions I would agree with you but TE might have the best chance of being more effective in one year. Plus the adv. is it has been a whole year, he didn't do this during the season he did it before mini camps. Jamal Lewis had a very successful year after his ACL was torn in mini camps and again that's a rb who needs his knee alot more in cuts and takes more contact. By looking at the preseason ranking if Duece can be mentioned in the top 15 rb's and J. Walker in the top 20 wr's I see no reason to put Winslow in the top 10 at te. His injury happend almost 3 months before J. Walker's and 4 months before Duece's.
Well I haven't seen the preseason rankings you speak of...but how can anyone rank Walker when who knows where he will even be playing. As for Deuce, I wouldn't put him top 10 but who knows. That's besides the point because I still think those rankings are more justified than Winslow since they have done it before! We know they are capable of producing at those levels if healthy.

And some TE's might not need a completely healthy knee to be effective but Kellen's advantage was his explosiveness...off the line, in and out of cuts, after the catch...that's something that needs a healthy knee. I'm not saying don't draft the guy but I have a feeling he will be overhyped this year and there will be better guys to target late.

 
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Blackjacks,

You have extremely high hopes for a guy who has only 5 catches in two full seasons with the NFL. He had a football accident and then he was foolish, but either way the facts are that he has a lot of potential with no indication that he will provide the kind of performance he claims. He is too high a risk in my opinion.

Kind of like taking a hit when you are sitting with 20 on the blackjack table ...
You're only looking at the downside. If you measure his worth purely by the chance of failure (however you define that) then he's not going to do very well for the reasons you stated. If you measure, however, his value based upon his likelihood to outperform his draft position, I think he's a bargain. He's a particularly nice gamble in dynasty leagues. I have no idea how he's going to do, but I'm almost certain that you will get more production out of him than you will the TE's drafted immediately before him in a redraft.

 
redman,

Certainly his overall value will depend upon where he becomes available to you in your draft or me in mine and these will likely be different.

My retort was to the statement that he will definitely be Top 10 and most likely Top 5.

Admittedly I am more pessimistic than probably most, but there are many solid TE's out there who I believe will top 80 Fantasy points in the coming season. I do not see Kellen Winslow Jr. being one of them.

 
This year his contract is almost 100% incentives. These are the kind of people you want on your fantasy teams. He has to preform to get paid. As long as Winslow comes back at over 90 % healthy I'm putting him definetly in my top ten if not top 5. I think he could be had at a real steal this year in drafts.
I agree, I will definitely target winslow in drafts this year as well. Beside's all the skill and potential he has, the most important factor about him is that he's off everybody's radar. The injury and lack of experience at this point in his career has caused that. So he can be had very late, which is when I tend to draft tight ends anyway. His contract status and the fact that he has a LOT to prove at this point should bode well for fantasy teams this year IMO.
 
I just took him in the 10th round of a new dynasty league. Only guys on the board who MAY have been better picks there were Troupe, Lewis, and Pope. I think that's a pretty good value there don't you guys agree?

 
I just took him in the 10th round of a new dynasty league. Only guys on the board who MAY have been better picks there were Troupe, Lewis, and Pope. I think that's a pretty good value there don't you guys agree?

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I can't argue with you taking a flyer in round 10, but I probably would have gone with one of the other TEs. Winslow wrecked his body. It wasn't just an ACL tear, but a lacerated liver, shoulder separation, back issues, etc. I'm not sure if he'll ever recover enough to be in football shape.

 
With all the adversity he has faced (some self induced ofcourse) this could have been a blessing in disguise. He sounded like a young man whose ego needed to be knocked down a few nothches. Maybe with a different perspective, he will learn to be humble.

With that said... I beleive he does have the IT factor. IMO, his daddy was the best TE I ever seen, and if he has some of the heart of Sr, he will be fine. Barring any setbacks, I look for him to be very solid this year and should explode next.

I can't argue with you taking a flyer in round 10, but I probably would have gone with one of the other TEs. Winslow wrecked his body. It wasn't just an ACL tear, but a lacerated liver, shoulder separation, back issues, etc. I'm not sure if he'll ever recover enough to be in football shape.

Also a staff infection...

Favre had 30" of his intestine removed and a degenerated hip (or something like that.) (not that I'm comparing him to Favre, just makin a point) Its hard to measure a man's will and desire. If he has it.... this should not be an issue.

 
well one thing he may have going for him is that his contract is almost COMPLETELY incentive based now. He has LOTS of reasons to be hungry.

 
well one thing he may have going for him is that his contract is almost COMPLETELY incentive based now. He has LOTS of reasons to be hungry.

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Except for the fact that his Dad is pretty wealthy. I mean it's not like he'll starve without football. He kind of reminds me of the rich, cool kid in your high school who lacks motivation because... well because he's already rich and cool. I'd take the poor, unpopular kid any day. That kid IS going to fight with a chip on his shoulder and something to play for.That said, I think Winslow is worth a backup TE spot though. That way if he can't play again, at least he's not your starter.

 

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