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Kellen Winslow Suspended (1 Viewer)

Joe Bryant said:
I can't remember a move by a GM this bush league in quite some time. Unreal. The guy kept quiet while everyone was speculating he had a viagra problem or was faking or whatever. And the guy doesn't even check on his player in the hospital to do anything other than tell him not to let everyone know they have ANOTHER staph infection. He says he felt not cared for by the main man and then gets busted? Beyond bush league. J
Regardless of the company's actions... what if one of us went to the local media and lambasted our firms with their handling of X, Y or Z? Unless it's whistleblowing on something vehemently wrong or dangerous... but my boss wasn't nice to me and didn't check in on me? Dawwwwwwwwwww, the millions he's paying me is another matter. All the world's a stage for these ego maniacal showboaters. I'm glad to see the NFL (unlike the MLB, and especially the NBA) for running a tight ship. At least there are some ethics left in the 'entertainment' world.Besides, we haven't heard a reaction or rebuttal on the exact claims, and we probably won't get one whether they did or not (a voice mail that his posse didn't give him, etc....) as the Browns management needn't stoop to this ego freak. It wasn't the team saying he had Viagra problem... and besides if ANY of you believe in that.... pathetic.
 
G-Money said:
Man, has this been the "season of suspensions" or what?? Seems like more team suspensions than league suspensions too...........crazy. :lmao:
Time to stop letting the TOs, PacMans, OchoCincos, and Shockeys run the asylum. Save the league. This isn't Silkwood. This is egos.
 
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With Rosenhaus as his agent I'd bet this story is far from over. Savage has bumbled his GM duties and also had some personality issues within the organization but this is beyond ridiculous. Crennel and Savage are on borrowed time, the Cowher Era will begin in Cleveland in 2009.

 
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With Rosenhaus as his agent I'd bet this story is far from over. Savage has bumbled his GM duties and also had some personality issues within the organization but this is beyond ridiculous. Crennel and Savage are on borrowed time, the Cowher Era will begin in Cleveland in 2009.
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Ministry of Pain said:
Preface: I do not own KW II in any leagues at all...This is complete and utter HORSESPIT that Winslow got suspended. Phil Savage should be fired immediately by the owner for pulling this crap. This is a guy that just doesn't get it on any level. This was a team that was on the verge of becoming special but now I can see the Cleveland cycle starting all over again. Savage should have come out, and stated how committed he was to taking care of KW II and the entire team, that they would scrub the place down 8 times a day if need be, that he would personally oversee any injured players and make sure they get the proper medical treatment because Cleveland is a fantastic organization committed to not only winning but ensuring the safety and health of all their players. He should have grabbed Winslow, brought himk in his office, made him feel special even if he didn't want to and do what was best for his team. Instead this motherless goat that smells of some wicked rotting chicken skinsnbones decides to let his NFL size EGO get in the way and decides to take the cowardly way out and suspend one of his best players and someone the organization should realize they need in order to win. not sure what happened in that rattle sounding brain of this turdmonster but he is completely wrong and has done nothing except alienate the fans of Cleveland and i hope the Dawg Pound has large signs calling for Savage's head in Sunday's football game. This is not the Pats, Giants, or Steelers that has such a winning rich tradition that you can suspend anyone without reason...this is the Brownies, and they took a large step backwards today.
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I'm gonna tattoo rumor all over this post, but I've got good info from the source before.

1) Winslow hired Drew Rosenhous this off-season to specifically redo his contract.

2) His contract was restructured after his motorcycle accident, but the Browns were more than generous considering they could have made him pay back his entire signing bonus, rather than pay him $11 mil for the 2 seasons that that he played part of only 1 game. I've been told that the fact that he broke his leg on a special teams play the first season had a lot to do with the decision. The Browns didn't have a lot to evaluate at that point, but that one play made em think they were getting a Soldja!

3) The previous infections were all MRSA. A particularly nasty form of staph that is resistant to antibiotics and while treatable in most cases has a very long recovery time.

4) There is currently not only a MRSA epidemic in the US, but all over the world. (Do a google search)

5) Winslow has had issues with the team before Romeo and Phil were even on board. It's been kept quiet for the most part, but both he and his father are viewed by the team as Prima Donas. Phil especially does not like the guy, but Randy Lerner isn't far behind in that respect.

6) Winslow's bad wheel is worse than most people think and his biggest concern is that he won't play long enough to cash out in FA in 2 1/2 years.

7) The team specifically trained the players on what behaviors increased the risks for MRSA and tattoos and other uses of needles was on the list.

8) Winslow first reported to the team flu like systems, but it was determined that he got an infected tattoo. He asked the team to keep it quiet because he knew how the fans would react to a second self-inflicted injury. The team agreed. The infection was not staph.

9) Winslow actually thought that with the acquisition of Rucker and his current contract demands meant that he would actually be traded before the trade deadline and could renegotiate his contract. The timing of his illness made any type of trade impossible if it was in the works.

10) Winslow spent 1 night in the Cleveland Clinic and according to him was miraculously cured of staph infection without any surgery! This is especially amazing given the fact that he was already exposed the antibiotic resistant version of staph!

11) My friend isn't certain if it was on this advice of his agent or a reaction to not getting the ball in the game but the Browns first heard about staph infection when the media did.

12) The Lerner family is the biggest contributor to the Cleveland Clinic and the team checked with them first to make sure that a staph infection wasn't involved.

13) Randy Lerner was involved in the decision to discipline Winslow.

14) Before this happened, the Browns were seriously considering trading Winslow in the off-season. They don't believe his knee will hold out and have had issues with his maturity since he's been on the team. They have also thought about trading Edwards this off season, due to maturity issues and a failure to improve on the mental part of the game. The team believes that they can get more than a 1st round pick for both players along with the picks that they will get for whatever QB they trade. They had seemed to have backed off on this idea in the last few weeks, but I'm thinking Winslow is a goner now.

15) This is speculation on my part, but I do know that the Browns have liked what they've seen so far from Heiden and Dinkens. They want to see what they have in Rucker as well. I could see them decrease Winslow's PT.

Like I said, this is pretty much all rumor, but most of the info I posted I got well before the infection,and this guy has been right about everything else.

 
You'd think if they wanted to trade him for full value they wouldn't make this huge stink now. How would that help their cause?

 
You'd think if they wanted to trade him for full value they wouldn't make this huge stink now. How would that help their cause?
Like I said the team got caught off guard. I'm thinking that they decided that they could have done nothing and just looked like the weenies Winslow made them out to be, or they can suspend him now and leak out a little info later. By the time the off-season rolls around, other teams will have short memories. Raw physical abilities will help the overlook the personal problems. The NFL has a history of ignoring other problems in a otherwise perfect athlete.
 
cvnpoka said:
as for those that think Savage should be fired, why would they let the inmates run the asylum?
savage should be fired for other reasons. mainly, trading a ton of picks for brady quin. signing da for too much. trading more picks for fatass lineman. trading their best corner. stallworth lol.
What?
 
I'm gonna tattoo rumor all over this post, but I've got good info from the source before.

1) Winslow hired Drew Rosenhous this off-season to specifically redo his contract.

2) His contract was restructured after his motorcycle accident, but the Browns were more than generous considering they could have made him pay back his entire signing bonus, rather than pay him $11 mil for the 2 seasons that that he played part of only 1 game. I've been told that the fact that he broke his leg on a special teams play the first season had a lot to do with the decision. The Browns didn't have a lot to evaluate at that point, but that one play made em think they were getting a Soldja!

3) The previous infections were all MRSA. A particularly nasty form of staph that is resistant to antibiotics and while treatable in most cases has a very long recovery time.

4) There is currently not only a MRSA epidemic in the US, but all over the world. (Do a google search)

5) Winslow has had issues with the team before Romeo and Phil were even on board. It's been kept quiet for the most part, but both he and his father are viewed by the team as Prima Donas. Phil especially does not like the guy, but Randy Lerner isn't far behind in that respect.

6) Winslow's bad wheel is worse than most people think and his biggest concern is that he won't play long enough to cash out in FA in 2 1/2 years.

7) The team specifically trained the players on what behaviors increased the risks for MRSA and tattoos and other uses of needles was on the list.

8) Winslow first reported to the team flu like systems, but it was determined that he got an infected tattoo. He asked the team to keep it quiet because he knew how the fans would react to a second self-inflicted injury. The team agreed. The infection was not staph.

9) Winslow actually thought that with the acquisition of Rucker and his current contract demands meant that he would actually be traded before the trade deadline and could renegotiate his contract. The timing of his illness made any type of trade impossible if it was in the works.

10) Winslow spent 1 night in the Cleveland Clinic and according to him was miraculously cured of staph infection without any surgery! This is especially amazing given the fact that he was already exposed the antibiotic resistant version of staph!

11) My friend isn't certain if it was on this advice of his agent or a reaction to not getting the ball in the game but the Browns first heard about staph infection when the media did.

12) The Lerner family is the biggest contributor to the Cleveland Clinic and the team checked with them first to make sure that a staph infection wasn't involved.

13) Randy Lerner was involved in the decision to discipline Winslow.

14) Before this happened, the Browns were seriously considering trading Winslow in the off-season. They don't believe his knee will hold out and have had issues with his maturity since he's been on the team. They have also thought about trading Edwards this off season, due to maturity issues and a failure to improve on the mental part of the game. The team believes that they can get more than a 1st round pick for both players along with the picks that they will get for whatever QB they trade. They had seemed to have backed off on this idea in the last few weeks, but I'm thinking Winslow is a goner now.

15) This is speculation on my part, but I do know that the Browns have liked what they've seen so far from Heiden and Dinkens. They want to see what they have in Rucker as well. I could see them decrease Winslow's PT.

Like I said, this is pretty much all rumor, but most of the info I posted I got well before the infection,and this guy has been right about everything else.
Now you tell me.
 
Where the hell is the player's union? This is ridiculous.
That's my take, also, except from a different viewpoint. If Winslow was actually NOT to blame for this and he wasn't also trying to get more money I'm sure some type of complaint against the Browns would have already been filed.
 
Joe Bryant said:
I can't remember a move by a GM this bush league in quite some time. Unreal. The guy kept quiet while everyone was speculating he had a viagra problem or was faking or whatever. And the guy doesn't even check on his player in the hospital to do anything other than tell him not to let everyone know they have ANOTHER staph infection. He says he felt not cared for by the main man and then gets busted? Beyond bush league. J
You're assuming that Winslow is telling the truth.
 
I can't help but wonder if these staph infections are related to the notoriously bad plumbing job the contractors did when building the stadium. Poop leaks out, and often.

 
Joe Bryant said:
I can't remember a move by a GM this bush league in quite some time. Unreal. The guy kept quiet while everyone was speculating he had a viagra problem or was faking or whatever. And the guy doesn't even check on his player in the hospital to do anything other than tell him not to let everyone know they have ANOTHER staph infection. He says he felt not cared for by the main man and then gets busted?

Beyond bush league.

J
Regardless of the company's actions... what if one of us went to the local media and lambasted our firms with their handling of X, Y or Z? Unless it's whistleblowing on something vehemently wrong or dangerous... but my boss wasn't nice to me and didn't check in on me? Dawwwwwwwwwww, the millions he's paying me is another matter. All the world's a stage for these ego maniacal showboaters. I'm glad to see the NFL (unlike the MLB, and especially the NBA) for running a tight ship. At least there are some ethics left in the 'entertainment' world.Besides, we haven't heard a reaction or rebuttal on the exact claims, and we probably won't get one whether they did or not (a voice mail that his posse didn't give him, etc....) as the Browns management needn't stoop to this ego freak. It wasn't the team saying he had Viagra problem... and besides if ANY of you believe in that.... pathetic.
Problem is, the infections ARE dangerous. And I were a player's union person, I'd be looking into seeing of OSHA covers this, since apparently infections are happening at a high rate.Now if it's a tattoo isue, that's another thing, but in any event, I don't think all of the cases are easily explained, and if there is a problem with the Borwns player treatment procedures, it would fall under occupational safety, i think.

 
I'm gonna tattoo rumor all over this post, but I've got good info from the source before.

1) Winslow hired Drew Rosenhous this off-season to specifically redo his contract.

2) His contract was restructured after his motorcycle accident, but the Browns were more than generous considering they could have made him pay back his entire signing bonus, rather than pay him $11 mil for the 2 seasons that that he played part of only 1 game. I've been told that the fact that he broke his leg on a special teams play the first season had a lot to do with the decision. The Browns didn't have a lot to evaluate at that point, but that one play made em think they were getting a Soldja!

3) The previous infections were all MRSA. A particularly nasty form of staph that is resistant to antibiotics and while treatable in most cases has a very long recovery time.

4) There is currently not only a MRSA epidemic in the US, but all over the world. (Do a google search)

5) Winslow has had issues with the team before Romeo and Phil were even on board. It's been kept quiet for the most part, but both he and his father are viewed by the team as Prima Donas. Phil especially does not like the guy, but Randy Lerner isn't far behind in that respect.

6) Winslow's bad wheel is worse than most people think and his biggest concern is that he won't play long enough to cash out in FA in 2 1/2 years.

7) The team specifically trained the players on what behaviors increased the risks for MRSA and tattoos and other uses of needles was on the list.

8) Winslow first reported to the team flu like systems, but it was determined that he got an infected tattoo. He asked the team to keep it quiet because he knew how the fans would react to a second self-inflicted injury. The team agreed. The infection was not staph.

9) Winslow actually thought that with the acquisition of Rucker and his current contract demands meant that he would actually be traded before the trade deadline and could renegotiate his contract. The timing of his illness made any type of trade impossible if it was in the works.

10) Winslow spent 1 night in the Cleveland Clinic and according to him was miraculously cured of staph infection without any surgery! This is especially amazing given the fact that he was already exposed the antibiotic resistant version of staph!

11) My friend isn't certain if it was on this advice of his agent or a reaction to not getting the ball in the game but the Browns first heard about staph infection when the media did.

12) The Lerner family is the biggest contributor to the Cleveland Clinic and the team checked with them first to make sure that a staph infection wasn't involved.

13) Randy Lerner was involved in the decision to discipline Winslow.

14) Before this happened, the Browns were seriously considering trading Winslow in the off-season. They don't believe his knee will hold out and have had issues with his maturity since he's been on the team. They have also thought about trading Edwards this off season, due to maturity issues and a failure to improve on the mental part of the game. The team believes that they can get more than a 1st round pick for both players along with the picks that they will get for whatever QB they trade. They had seemed to have backed off on this idea in the last few weeks, but I'm thinking Winslow is a goner now.

15) This is speculation on my part, but I do know that the Browns have liked what they've seen so far from Heiden and Dinkens. They want to see what they have in Rucker as well. I could see them decrease Winslow's PT.

Like I said, this is pretty much all rumor, but most of the info I posted I got well before the infection,and this guy has been right about everything else.
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Joe Bryant said:
I can't remember a move by a GM this bush league in quite some time. Unreal. The guy kept quiet while everyone was speculating he had a viagra problem or was faking or whatever. And the guy doesn't even check on his player in the hospital to do anything other than tell him not to let everyone know they have ANOTHER staph infection. He says he felt not cared for by the main man and then gets busted?

Beyond bush league.

J
XWinslow put himself before the team. They just lost a tough game and Winslow made it about himself. The comments had to have consequences and Savage droped the hammer.

ETA: And this year will be the end of the KWII era in Cleveland.

 
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I can't help but wonder if these staph infections are related to the notoriously bad plumbing job the contractors did when building the stadium. Poop leaks out, and often.
that is an interesting theory, but i don't think that would leech onto the field.also, they only play the games there. they practice in Berea.
 
14) Before this happened, the Browns were seriously considering trading Winslow in the off-season. They don't believe his knee will hold out and have had issues with his maturity since he's been on the team. They have also thought about trading Edwards this off season, due to maturity issues and a failure to improve on the mental part of the game. The team believes that they can get more than a 1st round pick for both players along with the picks that they will get for whatever QB they trade. They had seemed to have backed off on this idea in the last few weeks, but I'm thinking Winslow is a goner now.
All sounds legit and makes sense. But to this particular point, I believe the team. Look, Washington was offering two first round picks for Ocho Cinco, and Cincy said no believe it or not.If they want to blow it up, Edwards may fetch a nice bounty but Winslow's will be very conditional. I'm not even sure he'll pass someone else's physical.
 
Winslow was correct. The Browns are wrong.

And having Plax and then Winslow this year is really starting to hurt.

 
As mentioned by Chris1969, the drafting of Martin Rucker is a HUGE telling sign here. Winslow is not a long-term solution because of his health more than anything. His attitude certainly isn't helping, especially now.

Remember when the Browns let LeCharles Bentley go? Everyone said he'd catch on immediately and prove how healthy he is. I'm still waiting for that day.

I'll trust the Browns' judgment on this one, thank you.

And to those who are siding with Winslow, you are obviously reading this at face value and don't know the half of it.

 
I can't remember a move by a GM this bush league in quite some time. Unreal. The guy kept quiet while everyone was speculating he had a viagra problem or was faking or whatever. And the guy doesn't even check on his player in the hospital to do anything other than tell him not to let everyone know they have ANOTHER staph infection. He says he felt not cared for by the main man and then gets busted?

Beyond bush league.

J
XWinslow put himself before the team. They just lost a tough game and Winslow made it about himself. The comments had to have consequences and Savage droped the hammer.
Savage on the radio now saying this EXACTLY.
 
wadegarrett said:
I can't remember a move by a GM this bush league in quite some time. Unreal. The guy kept quiet while everyone was speculating he had a viagra problem or was faking or whatever. And the guy doesn't even check on his player in the hospital to do anything other than tell him not to let everyone know they have ANOTHER staph infection. He says he felt not cared for by the main man and then gets busted?

Beyond bush league.

J
XWinslow put himself before the team. They just lost a tough game and Winslow made it about himself. The comments had to have consequences and Savage droped the hammer.
Savage on the radio now saying this EXACTLY.
The puzzling thing about his comments to me is the timing. Whatever he had and was hospitalized for he kept quiet for several days. Whether it was his decision or a "team" decision, he abided by it. It was only after the game when he was exposed to the media AND following his lack of involvement and/or poor play that he lashed out.The fact that Savage did not visit him is surprising, but would be less so if the infection was actually self-inflicted (via tatoo), don't you think?

Lots of different ways that this can go depending on what actually occurred, which we may or may not ever know.

It is a really interesting story though!

 
WTAM

Here is a link to the 10 minute interview with Savage. Still unsure how I feel, although I'm leaning towards a fine and no suspension.

 
part of an article that was in the Plain Dealer this morning. his teamates comments seem to indicate that they are not behind him on this (at least the ones interviewed) and it seems to me that they imply his illness was self-inflicted by the many comments about the education they recieved about staph. also interesting that Dinkins is the players rep.

"It's unfortunate," tight end Darnell Dinkins, the team union representative, said of Winslow's suspension. "You want all your best players out there to play. It's a matter of winning. The way you win is by having the best players on the field."

Kicker Phil Dawson, one of the Browns' six team captains, said, "The organization's made a decision. As a player and captain on this team, you respect what the organization does and just go about your business. Everyone's going to feel differently about things."

Running back Jamal Lewis said, "It's the organization's decision and we can't worry about it. We have to just pull together and play as a team, just not let that be a distraction to us, which I don't think it will."

In his written statement after the suspension, Winslow said he spoke out because "there is a health issue that needs to be addressed further," which speaks to seven player cases of staph since 2004.

But no player interviewed on Wednesday supported Winslow on that point.

"I'm not worried about staph. I've never had staph. I'm not worried about that," said linebacker Andra Davis, another team captain.

"Guys have been made aware of how to help prevent [staph]," Dawson said. "We had a meeting in training camp where we went over everything we can do as individuals. The organization has done everything we could ask them to do. So I think the locker room's good with it."

Dinkins also alluded to the organization summit on staph infections in training camp and said, "At the end of the day, if you want to know something, it's up to you to pick up a book or get to the right people and find out more about it."
 
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So what is the collective bargaining on team sanction suspensions and their appeals? Does he play this week pending appeal?

 
So what is the collective bargaining on team sanction suspensions and their appeals? Does he play this week pending appeal?
sorry i left out that part:
Do the Browns have a major problem with staph infection in their headquarters facility, as tight end Kellen Winslow claimed?

And do players feel muzzled about speaking their mind in the wake of Winslow's one-game suspension handed down by General Manager Phil Savage on Tuesday?

These questions were posed to players the day after Winslow was docked a game check -- in his case, $235,294 -- for saying the club purposely concealed his staph infection from teammates.

Through his representation, Winslow formally notified the NFL Players Association on Wednesday of his appeal of the suspension.

"It's a grievance proceeding under the CBA, and it's expedited, meaning it will be decided by the arbitrator prior to Sunday," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said in an email response.

The players union will represent Winslow and the NFL Management Council will represent the Browns in a grievance proceeding, Aiello said.

Winslow could recoup the game check withheld by the team if he won. It doesn't guarantee he would play Sunday in Jacksonville. The team could make him inactive for the game.

Drew Rosenhaus, Winslow's usually ubiquitous agent, has not returned messages to comment.
 
So what is the collective bargaining on team sanction suspensions and their appeals? Does he play this week pending appeal?
Cleveland has every right to not activate him for the game... but they will be force to pay him his game check. Samething what Philly did to TO and what KC did to LJ last week. Expect to not have KW2 in your rosters.... and him.Fantasy Gawds, please get KW2 out of there next season
 
So what is the collective bargaining on team sanction suspensions and their appeals? Does he play this week pending appeal?
Cleveland has every right to not activate him for the game... but they will be force to pay him his game check. Samething what Philly did to TO and what KC did to LJ last week. Expect to not have KW2 in your rosters.... and him.Fantasy Gawds, please get KW2 out of there next season
i didn't read the question correctly. you are right. even if he wins the appeal, he will likely be inactive this sunday.
 
So what is the collective bargaining on team sanction suspensions and their appeals? Does he play this week pending appeal?
Cleveland has every right to not activate him for the game... but they will be force to pay him his game check. Samething what Philly did to TO and what KC did to LJ last week. Expect to not have KW2 in your rosters.... and him.Fantasy Gawds, please get KW2 out of there next season
D'oh, hadn't thought of that rather obvious course of action. Good point.
 
Kellen Winslow's appeal won't be heard until Tuesday, meaning he will not be available in Week 8 against the Jaguars.

On top of that, Browns GM Phil Savage expressed disappointment in the way Winslow has handled the whole situation. "The Browns are bigger than one person," said Savage. "We couldn't and won't allow one person to tear down the organization."

thats awful... a player needs the league's help and they tell him that it will be next week; terrible.

I listened to Micheal Kay on ESPN yesterday, and he made a great point. When a player steps out of line, the commissioner steps right in and does his thing... now a owner could be stepping out of line and a player needs the league's help; and wheres the commissioner... no where! If Roger stepped in and told Cleveland they have no right to bench Winslow and they must play him... wouldn't the rest of the players fell good about thier commissioner.

The Brown's have a problem w/ this staph infection... and player's saftey is in danger, the commissioner should atleast look into whats going on other there.

 
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Kellen Winslow's appeal won't be heard until Tuesday, meaning he will not be available in Week 8 against the Jaguars.On top of that, Browns GM Phil Savage expressed disappointment in the way Winslow has handled the whole situation. "The Browns are bigger than one person," said Savage. "We couldn't and won't allow one person to tear down the organization." thats awful... a player needs the league's help and they tell him that it will be next week; terrible. I listened to Micheal Kay on ESPN yesterday, and he made a great point. When a player steps out of line, the commissioner steps right in and does his thing... now a owner could be stepping out of line and a player needs the league's help; and wheres the commissioner... no where! If Roger stepped in and told Cleveland they have no right to bench Winslow and they must play him... wouldn't the rest of the players fell good about thier commissioner.The Brown's have a problem w/ this staph infection... and player's saftey is in danger, the commissioner should atleast look into whats going on other there.
the Browns will inactivate him either way. not sure if the commissioner could even do what you are suggesting.
 
This might sound absurd but has anyone heard/read where the Browns have actually said he had a staph infection?

This whole thing seems a bit strange to me, like both sides are hiding something.

Link if you have one, thx.

 
part of an article that was in the Plain Dealer this morning. his teamates comments seem to indicate that they are not behind him on this (at least the ones interviewed) and it seems to me that they imply his illness was self-inflicted by the many comments about the education they recieved about staph. also interesting that Dinkins is the players rep.

"It's unfortunate," tight end Darnell Dinkins, the team union representative, said of Winslow's suspension. "You want all your best players out there to play. It's a matter of winning. The way you win is by having the best players on the field."

Kicker Phil Dawson, one of the Browns' six team captains, said, "The organization's made a decision. As a player and captain on this team, you respect what the organization does and just go about your business. Everyone's going to feel differently about things."

Running back Jamal Lewis said, "It's the organization's decision and we can't worry about it. We have to just pull together and play as a team, just not let that be a distraction to us, which I don't think it will."

In his written statement after the suspension, Winslow said he spoke out because "there is a health issue that needs to be addressed further," which speaks to seven player cases of staph since 2004.

But no player interviewed on Wednesday supported Winslow on that point.

"I'm not worried about staph. I've never had staph. I'm not worried about that," said linebacker Andra Davis, another team captain.

"Guys have been made aware of how to help prevent [staph]," Dawson said. "We had a meeting in training camp where we went over everything we can do as individuals. The organization has done everything we could ask them to do. So I think the locker room's good with it."

Dinkins also alluded to the organization summit on staph infections in training camp and said, "At the end of the day, if you want to know something, it's up to you to pick up a book or get to the right people and find out more about it."
Seems like the players are being pretty naive here. Of course there are things that you can do to help prevent infections, but you can't tell me that players on every other team in the NFL were doing something different than the Browns before this season. There's a reason that so many Cleveland players have gotten staph infections and it's not because they weren't washing their hands enough.
 
rgmnchr said:
This might sound absurd but has anyone heard/read where the Browns have actually said he had a staph infection?This whole thing seems a bit strange to me, like both sides are hiding something.Link if you have one, thx.
Due to HIPPA laws, the Browns are not allowed to say he didn't have staph or that he had something else.
 
If Roger stepped in and told Cleveland they have no right to bench Winslow and they must play him... wouldn't the rest of the players fell good about thier commissioner.
The appeal is over the suspension. Even if the commissioner ruled that Cleveland couldn't suspend Winslow, they could still bench him or inactivate him for Sunday's game, they'd just have to pay him.
 
If Roger stepped in and told Cleveland they have no right to bench Winslow and they must play him... wouldn't the rest of the players fell good about thier commissioner.
The appeal is over the suspension. Even if the commissioner ruled that Cleveland couldn't suspend Winslow, they could still bench him or inactivate him for Sunday's game, they'd just have to pay him.
I'm sure Roger can order them to play Winslow, or atleast dress him and waste a game day roster spot. Did Roger really have the right suspend Pacman and Chris Henry 2 yrs ago.... not really, but he did it anyway.Roger is the commish, hes in total control... but I doubt he gets that involve; KW2 will be getting a game check and make the Browns look silly. The Browns should just let it go.
 
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If Roger stepped in and told Cleveland they have no right to bench Winslow and they must play him... wouldn't the rest of the players fell good about thier commissioner.
The appeal is over the suspension. Even if the commissioner ruled that Cleveland couldn't suspend Winslow, they could still bench him or inactivate him for Sunday's game, they'd just have to pay him.
I'm sure Roger can order them to play Winslow, or atleast dress him and waste a game day roster spot. Did Roger really have the right suspend Pacman and Chris Henry 2 yrs ago.... not really, but he did it anyway.Roger is the commish, hes in total control... but I doubt he gets that involve; KW2 will be getting a game check and make the Browns look silly. The Browns should just let it go.
:lmao:They can not force the team to make him active or force them to allow him to dress or to allow him on the sideline. The commish can force them to pay him - not play him.
 
wadegarrett said:
I can't remember a move by a GM this bush league in quite some time. Unreal. The guy kept quiet while everyone was speculating he had a viagra problem or was faking or whatever. And the guy doesn't even check on his player in the hospital to do anything other than tell him not to let everyone know they have ANOTHER staph infection. He says he felt not cared for by the main man and then gets busted?

Beyond bush league.

J
XWinslow put himself before the team. They just lost a tough game and Winslow made it about himself. The comments had to have consequences and Savage droped the hammer.
Savage on the radio now saying this EXACTLY.
Is Savage not putting himself before the team when he decides to suspend on of their best players because he got called out?
 
wadegarrett said:
I can't remember a move by a GM this bush league in quite some time. Unreal. The guy kept quiet while everyone was speculating he had a viagra problem or was faking or whatever. And the guy doesn't even check on his player in the hospital to do anything other than tell him not to let everyone know they have ANOTHER staph infection. He says he felt not cared for by the main man and then gets busted?

Beyond bush league.

J
XWinslow put himself before the team. They just lost a tough game and Winslow made it about himself. The comments had to have consequences and Savage droped the hammer.
Savage on the radio now saying this EXACTLY.
Do you really believe that crap? He put himself before the team? Come on...he was quiet and played along with their request, but they (front office) didn't come to his aid...they let all these rumors keep flying from STD's, his balls being the size of basketballs and everything else. For God's sake, the man is married and all the rumors all led to him not being faithful. He had a right to clear the air and Savage just couldn't handle the truth. I guess telling your player to not tell the truth is in the best interest of the team, right? The man made a few comments about his injury to clear the air and stated a fact that his organization have had more staph infections than the ordinary team, so they suspend him. LOL at getting suspended for making comments after game...not bashing, but telling the truth.Plain and simple...Savage is an IDIOT! It will be nice to KW2 out of CLE next year...maybe CLE can then give more money to another one year wonder player. :goodposting:

 
My guess is we'll never know all the facts to this story. But on face value it seems that Savage was upset that Winslow's sickness was revealed as a staff infection. Seems to me that Savage feels like the Browns have stood by KW through his tough times and KW owes them the same in this situation. Now that Winslow has spilled the beans it certainly puts fear back into teammates about the Browns facilities, it poisons their chances of getting free agents, also it takes the focus off the football field at a time they desperately need focus. I think Savage sees the season and probably his career as a GM spiraling out of control and this situation adds to his stress. But in reality this is much more serious than the game of football. Savage is really asking Winslow to take the bullet on a few different levels here. I am very suprised that we've not heard from Drew Rosenhaus yet.

 
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Savage was asked about Winslow's claim that the team wanted to keep his staph infection quiet and not inform teammates.

Savage responded, "From a legal standpoint ... HIPAA [Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act] laws ... we can't even reveal the nature of someone's illness without their approval. Due to the nature of this particular situation, it seemed that the people involved wouldn't want it out there. So our hands are tied in certain situations. And it was all agreed upon. It's a non-football illness. It occurred during the bye week."
 
Did it occur to anyone that maybe Drew Rosenhaus knows what the hell Kellen did to get his staph? He already went through one embarrassing situation with one client ("next question"), and I'm guessing he doesn't want to get involved in another circus. I'm sure Drew wasn't expecting this situation when he took Kellen as a client.

People in this thread are forgetting Kellen wants a new contract. As I stated earlier, as did one other, I really believe Savage thinks Kellen is worth maybe another couple of years, tops. He already drafted Kellen's replacement, and he already released LeCharles Bentley because of his end of usefulness. The Browns stood by Kellen and paid him for his stupidity when a lot of other teams would've dropped his broken ###. Kellen wants as much cash as possible because he knows the end is coming sooner rather than later.

Call me a Browns honk, but if the Browns are claiming HIIPA, it has to be because this injury was off the field, obviously. Kellen has yet to disclose how the hell he got this, but it seems pretty obvious it didn't have to occur.

And again, not ONE player has his back at the moment. That's pretty telling.

 
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Did it occur to anyone that maybe Drew Rosenhaus knows what the hell Kellen did to get his staph? He already went through one embarrassing situation with one client ("next question"), and I'm guessing he doesn't want to get involved in another circus. I'm sure Drew wasn't expecting this situation when he took Kellen as a client.

People in this thread are forgetting Kellen wants a new contract. As I stated earlier, as did one other, I really believe Savage thinks Kellen is worth maybe another couple of years, tops. He already drafted Kellen's replacement, and he already released LeCharles Bentley because of his end of usefulness. The Browns stood by Kellen and paid him for his stupidity when a lot of other teams would've dropped his broken ###. Kellen wants as much cash as possible because he knows the end is coming sooner rather than later.

Call me a Browns honk, but if the Browns are claiming HIIPA, it has to be because this injury was off the field, obviously. Kellen has yet to disclose how the hell he got this, but it seems pretty obvious it didn't have to occur.

And again, not ONE player has his back at the moment. That's pretty telling.
:goodposting: First bolded part - They didn't drop him because he still had way too much value...31 other teams would have put in a claim to pick him up on waivers.

Second bolded part - Considering that Savage has acted like a dictator and suspended him for just revealing what he had...do you really think anyone else would jump up to speak? That's like someone yelling they aren't a witch at the Salem Witch trials.

Your homerism and bias is clouding your view on the situation.

 
wadegarrett said:
I can't remember a move by a GM this bush league in quite some time. Unreal. The guy kept quiet while everyone was speculating he had a viagra problem or was faking or whatever. And the guy doesn't even check on his player in the hospital to do anything other than tell him not to let everyone know they have ANOTHER staph infection. He says he felt not cared for by the main man and then gets busted?

Beyond bush league.

J
XWinslow put himself before the team. They just lost a tough game and Winslow made it about himself. The comments had to have consequences and Savage droped the hammer.
Savage on the radio now saying this EXACTLY.
Is Savage not putting himself before the team when he decides to suspend on of their best players because he got called out?
No.
wadegarrett said:
I can't remember a move by a GM this bush league in quite some time. Unreal. The guy kept quiet while everyone was speculating he had a viagra problem or was faking or whatever. And the guy doesn't even check on his player in the hospital to do anything other than tell him not to let everyone know they have ANOTHER staph infection. He says he felt not cared for by the main man and then gets busted?

Beyond bush league.

J
XWinslow put himself before the team. They just lost a tough game and Winslow made it about himself. The comments had to have consequences and Savage droped the hammer.
Savage on the radio now saying this EXACTLY.
Do you really believe that crap? He put himself before the team? Come on...he was quiet and played along with their request, but they (front office) didn't come to his aid...they let all these rumors keep flying from STD's, his balls being the size of basketballs and everything else. For God's sake, the man is married and all the rumors all led to him not being faithful. He had a right to clear the air and Savage just couldn't handle the truth. I guess telling your player to not tell the truth is in the best interest of the team, right? The man made a few comments about his injury to clear the air and stated a fact that his organization have had more staph infections than the ordinary team, so they suspend him. LOL at getting suspended for making comments after game...not bashing, but telling the truth.Plain and simple...Savage is an IDIOT! It will be nice to KW2 out of CLE next year...maybe CLE can then give more money to another one year wonder player. :goodposting:
XWrong, wrong and wrong.

 
Did it occur to anyone that maybe Drew Rosenhaus knows what the hell Kellen did to get his staph? He already went through one embarrassing situation with one client ("next question"), and I'm guessing he doesn't want to get involved in another circus. I'm sure Drew wasn't expecting this situation when he took Kellen as a client.

People in this thread are forgetting Kellen wants a new contract. As I stated earlier, as did one other, I really believe Savage thinks Kellen is worth maybe another couple of years, tops. He already drafted Kellen's replacement, and he already released LeCharles Bentley because of his end of usefulness. The Browns stood by Kellen and paid him for his stupidity when a lot of other teams would've dropped his broken ###. Kellen wants as much cash as possible because he knows the end is coming sooner rather than later.

Call me a Browns honk, but if the Browns are claiming HIIPA, it has to be because this injury was off the field, obviously. Kellen has yet to disclose how the hell he got this, but it seems pretty obvious it didn't have to occur.

And again, not ONE player has his back at the moment. That's pretty telling.
:lmao: First bolded part - They didn't drop him because he still had way too much value...31 other teams would have put in a claim to pick him up on waivers.

Second bolded part - Considering that Savage has acted like a dictator and suspended him for just revealing what he had...do you really think anyone else would jump up to speak? That's like someone yelling they aren't a witch at the Salem Witch trials.

Your homerism and bias is clouding your view on the situation.
you are correct on the first part. the Browns kept him because he had too much value.and you do bring up an interesting point about other players not wanting to speak out after someone has been suspended, but i would urge you to go back and read some of the comments from the other players which i posted yesterday.

i would also add in general that the people defending Winslow and bashing Savage might want to listen a little closer to the people in this thread from Cleveland who are posting about this situation as we have our ears to the ground a little closer than some of the rest of you might.

 

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