Kellen Winslow Suspended (1 Viewer)

[daveR]

Conspicuously absent in this whole thing is K2's agent. Sounds to me like he & savage had previously agreed to keep inhouse matters in house.

 

[daveR]

I also wonder, on a tangent, why players want to create adversarial relationships with their front offices. In Winslow's case, he started the whole thing rolling when he chose the Postons as reps because "the teams hate them the most." This seems to indicate that they (Postons) don't try to compromise or seek a "fair" deal, but rather seek to maximize for the single player. Okay. Fine. But it sets that relationship. Now they are non-cooperative. IDK...

 

[rgmnchr]

But it was staph, so why speculate?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h_noVCF...csOHiAD93VNN5G0

Thanks.

 

[rgmnchr]

Conspicuously absent in this whole thing is K2's agent. Sounds to me like he & savage had previously agreed to keep inhouse matters in house.

ands when he goes public accusing the team of trying to hide the illness he breaks the "agreement."Only one last question, like you said a couple posts up, where was the infection?

 

[philly_battery_thrower]

Conspicuously absent in this whole thing is K2's agent. Sounds to me like he & savage had previously agreed to keep inhouse matters in house.

ands when he goes public accusing the team of trying to hide the illness he breaks the "agreement."Only one last question, like you said a couple posts up, where was the infection?

Have the Browns been able to produce this so-called agreement? Is it in Winslow's contract, or did he have to sign something? If he did agree to this, I don't think the Browns would have a problem producing it.

 

[Moniker]

Conspicuously absent in this whole thing is K2's agent. Sounds to me like he & savage had previously agreed to keep inhouse matters in house.

ands when he goes public accusing the team of trying to hide the illness he breaks the "agreement."Only one last question, like you said a couple posts up, where was the infection?

Have the Browns been able to produce this so-called agreement? Is it in Winslow's contract, or did he have to sign something? If he did agree to this, I don't think the Browns would have a problem producing it.

As was stated before, and brought back up numerous times by amnesiac trying to get someone to comment, it would have been illegal for the Browns to release Winslow's illness without his permission.This looks to me as if Winslow told the Browns not to release his illness and then turned around and started taking shots at the Browns' front office for trying to 'cover up' his illness. It reaks of contract bs.

 

[daveR]

Conspicuously absent in this whole thing is K2's agent. Sounds to me like he & savage had previously agreed to keep inhouse matters in house.

ands when he goes public accusing the team of trying to hide the illness he breaks the "agreement."Only one last question, like you said a couple posts up, where was the infection?

Have the Browns been able to produce this so-called agreement? Is it in Winslow's contract, or did he have to sign something? If he did agree to this, I don't think the Browns would have a problem producing it.

No. Don't get the impression that I know about an agreement. I was just commenting on the lack of public statements by his agent and speculating as to why that might be. This isn't anything that anybody has stated.

 

[philly_battery_thrower]

Conspicuously absent in this whole thing is K2's agent. Sounds to me like he & savage had previously agreed to keep inhouse matters in house.

ands when he goes public accusing the team of trying to hide the illness he breaks the "agreement."Only one last question, like you said a couple posts up, where was the infection?

Have the Browns been able to produce this so-called agreement? Is it in Winslow's contract, or did he have to sign something? If he did agree to this, I don't think the Browns would have a problem producing it.

As was stated before, and brought back up numerous times by amnesiac trying to get someone to comment, it would have been illegal for the Browns to release Winslow's illness without his permission.This looks to me as if Winslow told the Browns not to release his illness and then turned around and started taking shots at the Browns' front office for trying to 'cover up' his illness. It reaks of contract bs.

Hey, maybe you're right (though I don't see how Staph is something Winslow would be ashamed). But for all we know, Winslow could have said, "sure fine, you don't have to tell anyone" until rumors started flying as to what he might have had. At which point, he could have said, "wait a minute, tell people what I have. these rumors are ridiculous." I have no idea if that happened, but it's as plausible as anything else. My point is this - the Browns are saying he broke some agreement. Where is that agreement? I can understand the Browns would have broke some agreement by disclosing his illness, but that IS NOT what we're talking about. We're talking about the Browns suspending Winslow for him breaking some mythical agreement...aren't we?

 

[Moniker]

Conspicuously absent in this whole thing is K2's agent. Sounds to me like he & savage had previously agreed to keep inhouse matters in house.

ands when he goes public accusing the team of trying to hide the illness he breaks the "agreement."Only one last question, like you said a couple posts up, where was the infection?

Have the Browns been able to produce this so-called agreement? Is it in Winslow's contract, or did he have to sign something? If he did agree to this, I don't think the Browns would have a problem producing it.

As was stated before, and brought back up numerous times by amnesiac trying to get someone to comment, it would have been illegal for the Browns to release Winslow's illness without his permission.This looks to me as if Winslow told the Browns not to release his illness and then turned around and started taking shots at the Browns' front office for trying to 'cover up' his illness. It reaks of contract bs.

Hey, maybe you're right (though I don't see how Staph is something Winslow would be ashamed). But for all we know, Winslow could have said, "sure fine, you don't have to tell anyone" until rumors started flying as to what he might have had. At which point, he could have said, "wait a minute, tell people what I have. these rumors are ridiculous." I have no idea if that happened, but it's as plausible as anything else. My point is this - the Browns are saying he broke some agreement. Where is that agreement? I can understand the Browns would have broke some agreement by disclosing his illness, but that IS NOT what we're talking about. We're talking about the Browns suspending Winslow for him breaking some mythical agreement...aren't we?

Winslow was suspended for comments he made that were detrimental to the team.

 

[Tyrion]

Conspicuously absent in this whole thing is K2's agent. Sounds to me like he & savage had previously agreed to keep inhouse matters in house.

ands when he goes public accusing the team of trying to hide the illness he breaks the "agreement."Only one last question, like you said a couple posts up, where was the infection?

Have the Browns been able to produce this so-called agreement? Is it in Winslow's contract, or did he have to sign something? If he did agree to this, I don't think the Browns would have a problem producing it.

As was stated before, and brought back up numerous times by amnesiac trying to get someone to comment, it would have been illegal for the Browns to release Winslow's illness without his permission.This looks to me as if Winslow told the Browns not to release his illness and then turned around and started taking shots at the Browns' front office for trying to 'cover up' his illness. It reaks of contract bs.

Hey, maybe you're right (though I don't see how Staph is something Winslow would be ashamed). But for all we know, Winslow could have said, "sure fine, you don't have to tell anyone" until rumors started flying as to what he might have had. At which point, he could have said, "wait a minute, tell people what I have. these rumors are ridiculous." I have no idea if that happened, but it's as plausible as anything else. My point is this - the Browns are saying he broke some agreement. Where is that agreement? I can understand the Browns would have broke some agreement by disclosing his illness, but that IS NOT what we're talking about. We're talking about the Browns suspending Winslow for him breaking some mythical agreement...aren't we?

Winslow was suspended for comments he made that were detrimental to the team.

I remember when the Bengals used to do that. They even tried to have it written in the contracts. I am sure fans enjoy the Savage taking pointers from the Bengals front office.

 

[Moniker]

Conspicuously absent in this whole thing is K2's agent. Sounds to me like he & savage had previously agreed to keep inhouse matters in house.

ands when he goes public accusing the team of trying to hide the illness he breaks the "agreement."Only one last question, like you said a couple posts up, where was the infection?

Have the Browns been able to produce this so-called agreement? Is it in Winslow's contract, or did he have to sign something? If he did agree to this, I don't think the Browns would have a problem producing it.

As was stated before, and brought back up numerous times by amnesiac trying to get someone to comment, it would have been illegal for the Browns to release Winslow's illness without his permission.This looks to me as if Winslow told the Browns not to release his illness and then turned around and started taking shots at the Browns' front office for trying to 'cover up' his illness. It reaks of contract bs.

Hey, maybe you're right (though I don't see how Staph is something Winslow would be ashamed). But for all we know, Winslow could have said, "sure fine, you don't have to tell anyone" until rumors started flying as to what he might have had. At which point, he could have said, "wait a minute, tell people what I have. these rumors are ridiculous." I have no idea if that happened, but it's as plausible as anything else. My point is this - the Browns are saying he broke some agreement. Where is that agreement? I can understand the Browns would have broke some agreement by disclosing his illness, but that IS NOT what we're talking about. We're talking about the Browns suspending Winslow for him breaking some mythical agreement...aren't we?

Winslow was suspended for comments he made that were detrimental to the team.

I remember when the Bengals used to do that. They even tried to have it written in the contracts. I am sure fans enjoy the Savage taking pointers from the Bengals front office.

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[Moe Green]

Conspicuously absent in this whole thing is K2's agent. Sounds to me like he & savage had previously agreed to keep inhouse matters in house.

ands when he goes public accusing the team of trying to hide the illness he breaks the "agreement."Only one last question, like you said a couple posts up, where was the infection?

Have the Browns been able to produce this so-called agreement? Is it in Winslow's contract, or did he have to sign something? If he did agree to this, I don't think the Browns would have a problem producing it.

As was stated before, and brought back up numerous times by amnesiac trying to get someone to comment, it would have been illegal for the Browns to release Winslow's illness without his permission.This looks to me as if Winslow told the Browns not to release his illness and then turned around and started taking shots at the Browns' front office for trying to 'cover up' his illness. It reaks of contract bs.

Hey, maybe you're right (though I don't see how Staph is something Winslow would be ashamed). But for all we know, Winslow could have said, "sure fine, you don't have to tell anyone" until rumors started flying as to what he might have had. At which point, he could have said, "wait a minute, tell people what I have. these rumors are ridiculous." I have no idea if that happened, but it's as plausible as anything else. My point is this - the Browns are saying he broke some agreement. Where is that agreement? I can understand the Browns would have broke some agreement by disclosing his illness, but that IS NOT what we're talking about. We're talking about the Browns suspending Winslow for him breaking some mythical agreement...aren't we?

Winslow was suspended for comments he made that were detrimental to the team.

We should be talking about Cleveland ownership getting suspended for shower stalls detrimental to their players.

 

[chris1969]

Bizkiteer, are you basing your opinion soley on stuff you've seen on tv, or do you have some additional insight to share with the rest of us?

you seem very sure of yourself and i was just wondering if there's some more info we're missing out on.

What is clearly seen is that several people have an axe to grind because of their distain for KW2. No additional insight, just common sense. I'm sure that if anyone else was in the same position and rumors were to affect their family & livelyhood...they would do the same. The info is pretty clear for most, it's just a matter of if you really want to look at it.

I don't have an axe to grind. Hell, I'm kinda ticked that we are probably gonna lose him! But maybe because we get so much more of the off the field info about KW2 than non-Browns fans, we might have a better take on him as a person.

I can think of ONE media outlet in Cleveland that never bashes the organization, and that's WTAM, the flagship, and there are still a couple of guys on that station that "sort of" tell it like it is.

However, the others, such as the Plain Dealer, WKNR (which is almost the opposite), the Akron Beacon Journal, etc. never sugar coat anything.

I don't buy Savage being a "dictator". That's ridiculous. Butch Davis, yes. Not Phil Savage in the least. If Kellen was completely in the clear here, you'd hear from other Browns players, period.

There's obvious Browns-hate in this thread.

I don't understand the bolded part. This isn't a popularity contest. Savage isn't trying to win "Miss NFL 2008". We're trying to win a super bowl. The goal is to put players with all sorts of personality types into the BEST position to succeed in the NFL, not hold hands and sing a song.

I don't understand what you are responding to.What I am saying is if this was such an injustice to Kellen Winslow as all of these NFL "experts", media members, and FFA know-it-all's claim, I would think we would've heard from at least ONE Browns player also saying so, in spite of the so-called "dictators" repercussions.

It would certainly be nice to know WHY he had staph in the first place. Something tells me that would make Kellen look pretty bad if he admitted that.

The post right before yours has this quoted at the end of the story:

"One of Cleveland's team captains, Davis said he wasn't bothered by Winslow's claims or their timing.

"To each his own," Davis said. "Kellen's our teammate, we'll never turn our back on him. We'll definitely support him 100 percent."

Tight end Darnell Dinkins, the Browns' player representative, said Winslow's latest bout with staph has some players concerned.

"Anybody who has staff, you're talking about your life," he said. "It's bigger than football. It's bigger than a game. Kellen is a good friend of mine. Anyone who has a condition or issue like that, you want to make sure he's protected and he's healthy. I'm glad he's healthy and I hope we can contain it."

There goes the nobody backing him part, right?Basically the situation is like when you see your boss act irrational, is that when you bring up a gripe? When he's angry, is that when you ask for a raise or to get vacation approved? No, because you know the chance of it being treated fairly is not high. Since you seem to enjoy the dictator analogy I used before, we'll continue along those lines...much like one that strikes fear into others, it changes the will be striking fear into those around them. Is he an actual dictator? No! His irrational actions are similar enough and you still wonder why someone else isn't jumping up & down to say something outloud. A prime example, is the the article posted about Stephen Jackson reacting to KW2 suspension. It had him saying that he should re-think about what he says because of the fear or repercussion. He's not even on the team and Savage's actions had impact on him.

“The organization made a decision and we’re moving forward,” said quarterback Derek Anderson, who said he was “a little” surprised. “He’s not here, so what are we going to do? We didn’t have him versus New York and we were able to get things done (the Browns beat the Giants, 35-14). I think Heiden and (Darnell) Dinkins and Martin (Rucker) are all good players and can hopefully fill the void.”

In announcing the suspension, Savage claimed comments made by Winslow after the Browns lost to the Redskins on Sunday were “unwarranted, inappropriate and unnecessarily disparaging to our organization. His statements brought unjustified negative attention to our organization and violated the team-first concept of our football squad.”

Winslow said the Browns wanted him to keep his staph infection secret and that he is treated like “a piece of meat.”

There was not a lot of sympathy for Winslow in the locker room Wednesday. Offensive co-captain Hank Fraley spelled out the ground rules before a question was asked. He wasn’t going to talk about Winslow. When a reporter arrived at Fraley’s locker after he began and asked his opinion on the suspension, Fraley answered:

“Anybody have some Jacksonville questions?”

Defensive co-captain Andra Davis was asked for his reaction to the suspension.

“My reaction is Fred Taylor is a heck of a running back,” Davis said. “They have a tremendous one-two punch with him and Maurice Jones-Drew. We’re in a situation where we pretty much have to win this game to get to 3-4 and get back in the middle of the pack. We have our work cut out for us.”

Dinkins, the Browns’ player rep to the union, said it is “unfortunate” Winslow won’t play against the Jaguars “because going through this stretch, we have some tough games. We need everybody we can possibly use. You want a guy like that on the field with you.”

If Winslow does not practice before Saturday, it means he will have practiced only once since Sept. 26, when he practiced last Friday on a limited basis.

Clipped from http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2008/1...78171346271.txt

Also this statement from the union rep...

Before shifting his attention to the Jaguars, the coach did reveal additional details about the way Winslow and the franchise handled the tight end’s recent three-night hospital stay and medical diagnosis.

Crennel said it was a “mutual agreement’’ between the Browns and their leading receiver not to publicly discuss his condition, which Winslow revealed during a postgame rant against the organization Sunday in Washington.

That information blackout included all of his teammates, who were not told the 25-year-old had contracted staph “because he was in the hospital and that was a personal issue,’’ the coach said.

Surprisingly, the latter point did not concern tight end Darnell Dinkins, running back Jamal Lewis or any other players questioned.

“It was a personal matter, and, as a man, you have the right to keep it to yourself,’’ said Dinkins, who is the team’s NFL Players Association representative. “If you’re concerned about any issue, it’s up to you to do the research and make up your mind. Pick up a book and learn more about it.’’

A United States Department of Health and Human Services fact sheet about staph infections says they are contagious, specifically warning people not to “share towels or other items that are contaminated.’’

Dinkins, though, has assured his peers that the Browns are doing all they can to prevent the spread of the bacteria that has affected five players in a four-year span, including Winslow at least twice.

“There is no way to really reduce the staph issue, which is why it’s affecting so many teams in different sports on different levels,’’ he said. “The Browns are trying to be as proactive as they can be with the Sani Sport (equipment sterilization machine) and all the cleaning they do around here. I’m confident the organization is doing everything it can to keep all of us healthy.’’

^ That's the union rep!

clipped from

http://www.chroniclet.com/2008/10/23/no-k2...on-however_122/

I'm not gonna post the quotes, but more player comments here...

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=4376...ubCategoryID=26

I havent read this thread all the way through, but I am wondering, why hasn't Jeremy Shockey been suspended? Didn't he basically say something similar - questioning the organization and talking about his health?

Good point, but the Saints GM has his testosterone in check. Thus, he's doesn't have to puff out his chest.

Probably the operative thing being that Shockey was just saying that he did not like how the team handled it and Winslow called his team a bunch of liars that were trying to hide health issues.

But it was staph, so why speculate?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h_noVCF...csOHiAD93VNN5G0

How does that link confirm anything? Because it says 'staph' in the headline? My point is that if it was staph, it was the quickest healing staph that I've ever heard of and couldn't possibly have been the MRSA that supposed to be floating around the locker room. There's a reason that the other players were out months to years. MRSA is antibiotic resistant, and 3 days in the Cleveland Clinic isn't going to cure anyone that has #### the size of bowling balls!

 

[rowmacks]

AP says no more suspension, but still won't play.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

The Browns trying to do some damage control.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

Makes us look even more incompetent. Terribly mishandled.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

AP says no more suspension, but still won't play.

Code for "We are still suspending him but we'll pay him"...avoids a mess witht he players union.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Hmm, a columnist stating only opinion and nothing on fact to stir the pot. Josh, imagine that... You'd think that he was getting paid, oh yeah...he is. He says "I do know it's really about money," but gives nothing more than speculation. Still waiting to hear the evidence that he knows KW2's comments were done because of money/contract.

Checking watch....

Insert Jeopardy Theme

Pluto knows more about the Browns than you or I ever will.

Maybe you should just stick to threads about your own team, b/c you're swinging and missing in this thread.

LMAO! I'm sure you'll be tickled when you read your Cleveland Plain Dealer this morning. Funny when you think others are way off and you find out that you are the one, right? I'll blame it on the glasses and all the propaganda they have been feeding you the past years. Maybe this might just make you think to not JUMP so quick on a bandwagon before laying blame.

Text messages back Winslow, prompt Browns to end suspension

by Mary Kay Cabot

Sunday October 26, 2008, 12:24 AM

Reinstated on Saturday night, Kellen Winslow will pay a $25,000 fine to the Browns for his comments last Sunday, but will not lose a game check. He will not be available for Sunday's game in Jacksonville.JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Kellen Winslow's suspension was rescinded by the Browns Saturday after club officials received copies of text messages from a Browns public relations employee telling Winslow not to reveal that he had a staph infection, a source close to the situation told the Plain Dealer.

Winslow will still be fined $25,000 for comments about the Browns not protecting its players enough from staph, but will not forfeit the entire $235,294 game check for sitting out Sunday's game in Jacksonville.

He also stood to lose another $1 million based on the terms of his restructured contract, which stipulated he would lose that amount in the event he engaged in conduct detrimental to the team. Winslow also will not have to apologize to the team, his attorney, Adam Kaiser, retained by the NFL Players Association, said.

In a statement attributed to no one, the Browns said, "The Cleveland Browns are pleased to have this matter behind us. We have worked through our differences and look forward to having Kellen return."

Winslow will still not play today in Jacksonville, in part because he traveled back home to San Diego on Thursday after he had been banished from practice and team meetings until Monday. Winslow had also been told by the team that even if he had won the appeal before Sunday, he would not have been active.

Winslow said in a statement:

"This past week has been trying for all parties involved," Winslow said in a written statement. "As you know, I contracted staph for the second time in my career and was hospitalized for four days. I spoke out on this because I felt it was the right thing to do. This had nothing to do with football. This was and remains a serious health concern.

"I do realize that I am a public person and my words, whether constructively articulated or expressed emotionally, carry a lot of weight in the public arena. My intentions were never meant to be disruptive or distracting to the Browns organization, but rather to voice my concerns about my medical condition. I am confident that the Browns organization has taken the necessary steps to make our facility a healthy working environment.

"I formally reiterate my respect for the Browns organization, my teammates and the city of Cleveland. I look forward to getting back to playing football and being a productive member of this team. It's now time to focus on winning."

Browns General Manager Phil Savage did not directly address on Saturday night the text messages which told Kellen Winslow not to address his staph infection, but said the team was "ready to move forward."Winslow's arbitration hearing was scheduled for Tuesday, but the two sides reached agreement Saturday after his representatives sent copies of the text messages to higher-ups in the Browns organization, who apparently were not aware of them, according to the source.

Sometime Saturday, Browns owner Randy Lerner called Winslow to express his regret about how it unfolded. The text messages urged Winslow not to reveal his staph infection and said General Manager Phil Savage would get involved if he did. Winslow was also told in the texts that revealing staph would touch off a firestorm.

A message to Browns spokesman Bill Bonsiewicz was not immediately returned Saturday night.

Savage, asked if he knew of the PR's staffers texts, replied in a text, "We have settled and are ready to move forward. In 3-plus years, the medical staff has always informed me of a player's wishes in terms of maintaining confidentiality or releasing his records."

Winslow, weary of rumors about his condition, planned to make a statement while he was still in the Cleveland Clinic being treated for the staph. But he and his representatives held off because of pressure from the public relations staff, the source said.

Winslow's infection was the sixth by a Browns player since 2005, and the second for Winslow. Therefore, when Winslow spoke to reporters in the locker room the Friday before the Redskins game, he backed down from his intent to again reveal the infection. At the time, Winslow assumed the texts were a directive from the front office.

During the interview, he started by saying it was the Browns' decision to keep the illness private -- and then curiously added that he agreed with it.

When he tried to answer more questions that day, he was cut off by a member of the public relations staff. Winslow hinted during that interview that his undisclosed illness was similar what he had been through before, meaning the post-surgical staph infection in 2005 that caused him to lose almost 30 pounds and was career-threatening.

Assuming that Savage was on board with forbidding him to talk, Winslow confronted him in the hallway after the Redskins game outside the locker room while still in full uniform and expressed his dismay about how the staph was handled and that Savage never called him while he was in the hospital.

Winslow told his reps he was prepared to go through with the hearing to clear his name, even if it meant losing more than $1.2 million, because he felt he did nothing wrong, the source said.

As part of the settlement, Winslow will never be prevented from making public statements about his health or the working and safety conditions at the Browns facility, Kaiser said.

Said NFLPA Executive Director Richard Berthelsen: "We are obviously pleased that we were able to negotiate a favorable settlement with the Browns on this important issue. Employees have a legal right to speak out on matters impacting their working conditions, and in our view that was the core issue in this case.

"The settlement serves as a message to all players that their rights are being protected by their union, and hopefully it also serves as a message to the clubs that these rights are to be respected."

Could say I told you so to a few, but I won't. Then again, did I just do that? For all those that said there was more to the story, you were right! Of course, it wasn't about there was more about KW2, it was the Browns and their Gestapo tactics..."You will do it or else Savage will get involved." Anyway, I think there is a lesson in all this in that it's easy to judge without knowing. Yes, KW2 was fined a minor amount for his comments, but it's not on the scale that the Browns portrayed. This makes Savage look bad not only in his organization, but through out the NFL. Savage is the Browns official representation for the NFL. Thus, his actions have given his organization a big black eye. I'd say Savage should be fined or suspended for actions against the team/organization.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

PFT

TEXT MESSAGES FORCED WINSLOW SETTLEMENT

Posted by Mike Florio on October 26, 2008, 8:10 a.m.

Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that the Browns rescinded the suspension of tight end Kellen Winslow after team officials received copies of text messages in which a public relations employees told Winslow not to publicly reveal that he was hospitalized for a staph infection.

The messages told Winslow that, if he revealed his condition, G.M. Phil Savage would get involved.

(Ooooooo. A f–kin’ soldier, afraid of Opie Cunningham?)

Speaking of Opie, he ducked the question regarding whether he previously knew about the text messages.

“We have settled and are ready to move forward,” Savage told Cabot via text. “In 3-plus years, the medical staff has always informed me of a player’s wishes in terms of maintaining confidentiality or releasing his records.”

Winslow had intended to make a public statement regarding his condition because he was weary of rumors regarding his condition, which included (as posted by Deadspin and elsewhere) rumors that he had an STD and/or that he overdosed on erection-enhancing medications.

Throughout the process, we continued to hear that he had swelling in the testicular area, but we don’t believe that the swelling is inconsistent with the notion that he had a staph infection.

As part of the settlement, Winslow will pay a $25,000 fine for the disparaging statements he made, but he avoided the potential loss of $1 million under his contract, which says that he’ll sacrifice that amount if he engages in conduct detrimental to the team. He also will receive his game check of more than $235,000 for Sunday’s visit to Jacksonville, even though he won’t be playing.

Winslow also will not be prevented from making future public statements about his health or the safety or working conditions at the team’s facility.

Bottom line? Winslow was right, the Browns were wrong, and at least the team was smart enough to back down before everything blew up at the arbitration hearing on Tuesday.

 

[Tau837]

Looks like a lot of people that bashed Winslow over this need to eat some crow.

 

[amnesiac]

i am disapointed that the Browns backed down on this one.

someone was talking about the spin zone before, but the spin that is coming out trying to sweep this whole thing under the rug now is making me nauseous.

 

[top dog]

I thought of this thread when I read the article about the text messages in the paper today. Winslow gets a bad rap because he has ran his mouth in the past. He could have handled this situation differently, but I think the Browns organization is looking REAL bad about this right now.

Trying to hid staph infections?

 

[Moniker]

Looks like a lot of people that bashed Winslow over this need to eat some crow.

Why?They cut a deal that still keeps Winslow off the field this week (eating into his stats), but avoids the potential loss of $1.2 million for Kellen. Seems to me that the money is really what Kellen was afraid of losing.

 

[amnesiac]

I thought of this thread when I read the article about the text messages in the paper today. Winslow gets a bad rap because he has ran his mouth in the past. He could have handled this situation differently, but I think the Browns organization is looking REAL bad about this right now.Trying to hid staph infections?

ok, seriously, can anyone point to proof that Winslow had a football injury, and recieved treatment from the Browns which resulted in Winslow contracting staph? cause i haven't seen one shread of evidence to that effect.i don't believe the Browns are responsible for his infection, and therefore it was in both parties best interest to keep this thing quiet.

 

[top dog]

I thought of this thread when I read the article about the text messages in the paper today. Winslow gets a bad rap because he has ran his mouth in the past. He could have handled this situation differently, but I think the Browns organization is looking REAL bad about this right now.Trying to hid staph infections?

ok, seriously, can anyone point to proof that Winslow had a football injury, and recieved treatment from the Browns which resulted in Winslow contracting staph? cause i haven't seen one shread of evidence to that effect.i don't believe the Browns are responsible for his infection, and therefore it was in both parties best interest to keep this thing quiet.

If the injury was from a tattoo as some have insinuated in this thread, why would the Browns have NOT at least stated that this Winslow's condition was NOT football related and they wished him all the best of luck in recovering on his own. Why would they text him and try to keep him from mentioning it was staph? Just doesn't make much sense.

 

[wadegarrett]

Hmm, a columnist stating only opinion and nothing on fact to stir the pot. Josh, imagine that... You'd think that he was getting paid, oh yeah...he is. He says "I do know it's really about money," but gives nothing more than speculation. Still waiting to hear the evidence that he knows KW2's comments were done because of money/contract.

I was in the Washington clubhouse hallway when Winslow and General Manager Phil Savage were talking after the game. No one was smiling, nor was anyone screaming. According to someone closer to the conversation, Winslow told the general manager that he didn't feel like part of the team. He was unhappy about Savage not calling while he was in the hospital. Savage said he was in contact with the coaches and Winslow's agent, checking on his condition through them. Winslow mentioned "feeling like a piece of meat." There was some discussion of his contract. Savage suggested they talk later, not in the frustration of a 14-11 loss with Winslow still in his uniform and pads. They departed peacefully. But a few minutes later, Winslow then became more agitated because he wanted to resolve the issues right after the game -- and that led to him talking to the media.

LinkSo, minutes before Winslow goes off, he and Savage had a discussion that included contract talk, but yet his tirade had nothing to do with said contract?

Yes, KW2 was fined a minor amount for his comments, but it's not on the scale that the Browns portrayed.

Because they, like you and I, didn't have all the facts.

Could say I told you so to a few, but I won't. Then again, did I just do that?

wow...you really got meBottom line...Winslow, the Browns and Savage all look like idiots. Just a typical year in Cleveland.

 

[nxmehta]

When you decide to suspend a player, you better have all the information to make the right decision. Because when you rescind the suspension like two days later, you look inept.

The Browns really messed this one up. I think they look like fools now. Regardless of the facts of the situation (how did K2 get staph, etc. etc.), the end result was the Browns handing down a suspension and then taking it away. That's lack of communication, cohesion, and coordinated decision making. Not what I want to see from Lerner and Savage.

And I'm Savage's biggest fan

 

[Bizkiteer]

LOL @ not eating your humble pie when there is nothing else on the menu.

 

[chris1969]

I'm gonna add more but I'm waiting on replies to 2 emails. All I'll say now, is don't believe everything you read in the papers.

 

[sartre]

I'm gonna add more but I'm waiting on replies to 2 emails. All I'll say now, is don't believe everything you read in the papers.

Update?I'm thinking about making a move for Winslow, if all this stuff is behind them now...

 

[MCguidance]

Has anyone sold him or traded for him?

 

[amnesiac]

he will probably play this season out with the Browns, but go somewhere else in the offseason.

plan accordingly.