Kevin Kolb Booed by Fans at FanFest 2012 (1 Viewer)

[Clifford]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d829d266b/article/kevin-kolb-booed-at-cardinals-fan-fest

Not that fan opinion matters THAT much, but it seemed to work in Tebow's favor last year. Pretty harsh. Any Card fans weigh on on who they want to see starting and why?

 

[Jason Wood]

Long-time Shark Poolers know I was never a Kolb guy in Philly. Didn't like using a 2nd rounder on him in the first place, didn't like pushing McNabb out for him, and didn't think it made any sense to keep him after Vick emerged. I also never thought he would be a great starter in Arizona.

THAT SAID, I struggle a bit with this "Kolb vs. Skelton" debate. John Skelton has been nothing short of horrendous in his two seasons. He's got a bit of "Tebow" in him because his overall play has been largely dismissed due to 4 comebacks and 5 game winning drives last season. But this is a kid who completed 52.6% of his career passes and has a 13 TD (in 13 games) vs 16 INT career mark thus far. His AY/A is a horrendous 5.3 and his career passer rating is 66.9. This is NOT a guy that profiles as a quality NFL starter, much less someone to be excited about.

If Kolb really is competing with Skelton, and worse yet loses to him in camp? He should never get a shot at starting for an NFL team ever again.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

THAT SAID, I struggle a bit with this "Kolb vs. Skelton" debate. John Skelton has been nothing short of horrendous in his two seasons. He's got a bit of "Tebow" in him because his overall play has been largely dismissed due to 4 comebacks and 5 game winning drives last season. But this is a kid who completed 52.6% of his career passes and has a 13 TD (in 13 games) vs 16 INT career mark thus far. His AY/A is a horrendous 5.3 and his career passer rating is 66.9. This is NOT a guy that profiles as a quality NFL starter, much less someone to be excited about.

But he makes Larry Fitzgerald more fun to watch, so I'm rooting for him

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Kolb/Skelton isn't much better than Leinart/Anderson of a couple years ago.

Not surprised. Kolb's hated in Arizona. And he'll be hated next offseason when he's released.

 

[sspunisher]

I still can't believe the Eagles managed to trade him to Arizona.

 

[Warrior]

This time next season, we'll be starting the exact same thread about Matt Flynn

 

[kutta]

The bottom line in AZ is that we don't like either of these guys. But I think most fans, if really pushed, would say that Skelton should start but they hope Kolb beats him out. That may sound contradictory, but here's the reasoning.

We traded away a DRC and a 2nd round pick for Kolb, and spent a lot of money on him. We don't want to see that go to waste. But when Kolb played last year, he was horrible. Fitz only had 2 TD's in the first 7 games with Kolb, and the Cardinals were 1-6 to start the year, all with Kolb playing. In the second half of the year (well, 9 games) mostly under Skelton, Fitz had 6 TD's and the Cards went 7-2 (Kolb did get one of those wins).

Now we all understand that 7-2 the last nine games was a farce. There were four OT games in there, which could just have easily have been losses and suddenly the record over the last 9 games is 3-6. But what we liked as fans was two things:

1) Skelton hung in the pocket and was willing to take the hit and let the play develop. Kolb always bolted at the first sign of trouble - he looked scared back there, and it was very frustrating. Skelton at least has balls.

2) Skelton got the ball to Fitz. Yes he forced some throws, and yes he is very inaccurate. But when you have the best weapon in the league at WR you have to give him the chance to make plays. Kolb was so scared in the pocked that he just ran away and threw the ball away. Skelton was able to give Fitz a chance.

All that said, I think most fans really like the moxie that Skelton brought. He's not great, and he's not going to the hall of fame. But he hung in there and made things happen when it mattered. BUT for the sake of the franchise, the best case scenario is that Kolb turns things around, becomes the starter, and has a great year.

But I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Mr Rodgers neighborhood]

Good job on booing Kolb. He forced Arizona to trade for him then give him a massive contract. Yes, boo him, and not attack the genius front office.

 

[kutta]

Good job on booing Kolb. He forced Arizona to trade for him then give him a massive contract. Yes, boo him, and not attack the genius front office.

If you don't think Cardinal fans attack the front office, then I think it's safe to say that you don't know many Cardinal fans.

 

[Sabertooth]

Does Ryan Lindley get a chance this year at some point?

 

[griff321]

Good job on booing Kolb. He forced Arizona to trade for him then give him a massive contract. Yes, boo him, and not attack the genius front office.

If you don't think Cardinal fans attack the front office, then I think it's safe to say that you don't know many Cardinal fans.

The Cards have fans? When did this happen!? I thought everyone was transplants or snowbirds down there. It's not like he's bad mouthing the team or state. He can't help what the front office did. Seems pretty classless to me.

 

[azgroover]

If Kolb doesn't work out, the front office should be canned just for allowing players to involve themselves in making personnel decisions. They panicked since it was implied Fitz would walk if Graves didn't get the QB Larry wanted the most.

 

[Clifford]

This to me is curious:

Now we all understand that 7-2 the last nine games was a farce. There were four OT games in there, which could just have easily have been losses and suddenly the record over the last 9 games is 3-6.

Isn't the ability to pull out unlikely or high-pressure wins exactly what you want in a QB? Just don't understand why you would discount the wins because they were close. To me that would make me assign more value to them, not less.

 

[Eminence]

This to me is curious:

Now we all understand that 7-2 the last nine games was a farce. There were four OT games in there, which could just have easily have been losses and suddenly the record over the last 9 games is 3-6.

Isn't the ability to pull out unlikely or high-pressure wins exactly what you want in a QB? Just don't understand why you would discount the wins because they were close. To me that would make me assign more value to them, not less.

Yes and no. Ideally with the way our defense was playing, a competent QB puts it away in regulation.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Should Kolb get cheers? Dude sucks. I remember when he was traded I was happy the hawks didn't make that deal. Cardinal homers where on here cheering the trade...lol u.

 

[Clifford]

This to me is curious:

Now we all understand that 7-2 the last nine games was a farce. There were four OT games in there, which could just have easily have been losses and suddenly the record over the last 9 games is 3-6.

Isn't the ability to pull out unlikely or high-pressure wins exactly what you want in a QB? Just don't understand why you would discount the wins because they were close. To me that would make me assign more value to them, not less.

Yes and no. Ideally with the way our defense was playing, a competent QB puts it away in regulation.

18th in the league?

 

[Sweet Love]

I still can't believe the Eagles managed to trade him to Arizona.

They managed to trade A.J. Feeley for a 2nd (IIRC)...what I can't believe is that anyone actually trades for a QB from Reid. They obviously are system guys, and almost worthless outside of that system...kinda like RBs in Shanahan's offense.

 

[Sabertooth]

Kolb is a guy I am targeting in a dynasty startup mainly because he has upside with Larry and Floyd and can be had for pennies right now. He's still young and finally had an offseason to grow. He's still young. People are too quick to give up on guys too often. Me, I like to throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks. Guys suck until they don't suck or they retire. At the price you can get Kolb, he's got upside.

 

[sbonomo]

Good job on booing Kolb. He forced Arizona to trade for him then give him a massive contract. Yes, boo him, and not attack the genius front office.

Rod Graves has been screwing us for years....I don't know who is hated more, him or the bidwells. I almost wish that they had never come to town so that i could still be a 49ers fan..Oh well. I think that we should give Kolb 6-8 games to try and right the ship. Skelton looked very green last year given the opportunity. This team is actually not that far away from becoming a contender even with the horrible trade for Kolb. I still believe that he has the skill set to take this team to a wild card berth this year. with the additional help from the draft and players coming off of injury we should be an effective run first offense.

 

[JetMaxx]

I get the frustration but how many QB's with 7 career starts would have had a successful season when they have almost no offseason to practice with their new team?

ETA: I'm with Sabertooth on this one. He seems to be a great guy to take a flyer on late.

 

[Inspiration]

This to me is curious:

Now we all understand that 7-2 the last nine games was a farce. There were four OT games in there, which could just have easily have been losses and suddenly the record over the last 9 games is 3-6.

Isn't the ability to pull out unlikely or high-pressure wins exactly what you want in a QB? Just don't understand why you would discount the wins because they were close. To me that would make me assign more value to them, not less.

Yes and no. Ideally with the way our defense was playing, a competent QB puts it away in regulation.

18th in the league?

Arizona's defense was much improved in the second half of the season last year and Skelton benefited immensely from that. In the 8 games that Kolb started, the Cardinals allowed 24.5 points per game, whereas in the 8 games that Skelton started they allowed only 19 points per game (I'm giving Skelton the week 13 start against SF even though Kolb technically started the game because he only had 1 passing attempt compared to 28 for Skelton). Arizona actually scored 20.25 points per game in Kolb starts compared to 18.75 in Skelton starts.

 

[kutta]

This to me is curious:

Now we all understand that 7-2 the last nine games was a farce. There were four OT games in there, which could just have easily have been losses and suddenly the record over the last 9 games is 3-6.

Isn't the ability to pull out unlikely or high-pressure wins exactly what you want in a QB? Just don't understand why you would discount the wins because they were close. To me that would make me assign more value to them, not less.

Well seeing how no team in the history of the NFL had won four regular season OT games before the Cardinals did last year, I think its fair to say that it is a statistical anomaly. I'm not taking anything away from Skelton, just saying if the same things happens this year, chances are that the Cards won't go 4-0 again in OT games.

 

[kutta]

Good job on booing Kolb. He forced Arizona to trade for him then give him a massive contract. Yes, boo him, and not attack the genius front office.

If you don't think Cardinal fans attack the front office, then I think it's safe to say that you don't know many Cardinal fans.

The Cards have fans? When did this happen!? I thought everyone was transplants or snowbirds down there. It's not like he's bad mouthing the team or state. He can't help what the front office did. Seems pretty classless to me.

The Cards have sold out every game for the last five years - ever since the new stadium was built and we no longer have to sit in 110 degree weather to watch a game. Even transplants like football and can support the home team.

 

[Mr Rodgers neighborhood]

Good job on booing Kolb. He forced Arizona to trade for him then give him a massive contract. Yes, boo him, and not attack the genius front office.

If you don't think Cardinal fans attack the front office, then I think it's safe to say that you don't know many Cardinal fans.

Regardless, souring on Kolb after nine games is knee jerk. Booing him at a fan fest is garbage.

 

[Eminence]

This to me is curious:

Now we all understand that 7-2 the last nine games was a farce. There were four OT games in there, which could just have easily have been losses and suddenly the record over the last 9 games is 3-6.

Isn't the ability to pull out unlikely or high-pressure wins exactly what you want in a QB? Just don't understand why you would discount the wins because they were close. To me that would make me assign more value to them, not less.

Yes and no. Ideally with the way our defense was playing, a competent QB puts it away in regulation.

18th in the league?

Are you trying to cause problems?I was speaking directly of games John Skelton started. We hired a new DC last season and it took about halfway through the year for the system to bloom; coincidentally games that Skelton started.

 

[kutta]

Good job on booing Kolb. He forced Arizona to trade for him then give him a massive contract. Yes, boo him, and not attack the genius front office.

If you don't think Cardinal fans attack the front office, then I think it's safe to say that you don't know many Cardinal fans.

Regardless, souring on Kolb after nine games is knee jerk. Booing him at a fan fest is garbage.

For someone who doesn't know very much about the Cardinals, you sure have strong opinions about their fans.

 

[Sweet Love]

This to me is curious:

Now we all understand that 7-2 the last nine games was a farce. There were four OT games in there, which could just have easily have been losses and suddenly the record over the last 9 games is 3-6.

Isn't the ability to pull out unlikely or high-pressure wins exactly what you want in a QB? Just don't understand why you would discount the wins because they were close. To me that would make me assign more value to them, not less.

I agree, and kind of find like when a guy runs for 15-125 and we punish him because he had an 80 yard TD. Certain guys make this stuff "happen"...not saying Skelton is going to be a great or even good starter, but it seems silly to discount his positives while highlighting the negatives.

 

[Slider]

It's not Kolb's fault they run a cheap O. Run an O like Reid does and he'll be fine. Run that "run it once throw it to Fitz" and teams may catch on

 

[Sabertooth]

Good job on booing Kolb. He forced Arizona to trade for him then give him a massive contract. Yes, boo him, and not attack the genius front office.

If you don't think Cardinal fans attack the front office, then I think it's safe to say that you don't know many Cardinal fans.

Regardless, souring on Kolb after nine games is knee jerk. Booing him at a fan fest is garbage.

For someone who doesn't know very much about the Cardinals, you sure have strong opinions about their fans.

Sometimes QBs take games to develop. I'm a little why FBG has Arizona passing for fewer yards this season with the addition of Floyd coupled with Kolb having a full year in the system.

 

[kutta]

Good job on booing Kolb. He forced Arizona to trade for him then give him a massive contract. Yes, boo him, and not attack the genius front office.

If you don't think Cardinal fans attack the front office, then I think it's safe to say that you don't know many Cardinal fans.

Regardless, souring on Kolb after nine games is knee jerk. Booing him at a fan fest is garbage.

For someone who doesn't know very much about the Cardinals, you sure have strong opinions about their fans.

Sometimes QBs take games to develop. I'm a little why FBG has Arizona passing for fewer yards this season with the addition of Floyd coupled with Kolb having a full year in the system.

I agree. I would expect better passing numbers this year.

 

[kutta]

This to me is curious:

Now we all understand that 7-2 the last nine games was a farce. There were four OT games in there, which could just have easily have been losses and suddenly the record over the last 9 games is 3-6.

Isn't the ability to pull out unlikely or high-pressure wins exactly what you want in a QB? Just don't understand why you would discount the wins because they were close. To me that would make me assign more value to them, not less.

I agree, and kind of find like when a guy runs for 15-125 and we punish him because he had an 80 yard TD. Certain guys make this stuff "happen"...not saying Skelton is going to be a great or even good starter, but it seems silly to discount his positives while highlighting the negatives.

My point was that once you get to OT, anything can happen. The score is tied and a coin flip determines who gets the ball first. I don't think it is too much of a stretch to mention that when a team sets the record for OT wins in a season, it probably warrants a deeper look into their overall record.

 

[azgroover]

Good job on booing Kolb. He forced Arizona to trade for him then give him a massive contract. Yes, boo him, and not attack the genius front office.

If you don't think Cardinal fans attack the front office, then I think it's safe to say that you don't know many Cardinal fans.

Regardless, souring on Kolb after nine games is knee jerk. Booing him at a fan fest is garbage.

Fan Fest was actually an open practice at the stadium, not some meet & greet like it sounds like. By all accounts, he didn't look good.Secondly, this guy hasnt really immersed himself in the community like you see most every other starting QBs do in their towns. I'm pretty sure he doesn't live here, not that big of a deal. But when he was supposed to be the special guest at a big draft day party put on by the main sports radio station, he phoned in at the last minute saying he couldn't make it. I don't even know if he plays in Warner's annual charity flag game (at the Cards facility) like a bunch of other starting QBs participate.Simply showing his face around town a little more often would buy him some goodwill with a large segment of fans.

 

[renesauz]

I get the frustration but how many QB's with 7 career starts would have had a successful season when they have almost no offseason to practice with their new team?ETA: I'm with Sabertooth on this one. He seems to be a great guy to take a flyer on late.

Dude's getting an unbelievably bad shake.

 

[bengalbuck]

This to me is curious:

Now we all understand that 7-2 the last nine games was a farce. There were four OT games in there, which could just have easily have been losses and suddenly the record over the last 9 games is 3-6.

Isn't the ability to pull out unlikely or high-pressure wins exactly what you want in a QB? Just don't understand why you would discount the wins because they were close. To me that would make me assign more value to them, not less.

I agree with you that winning close games late is a huge part of being a good NFL QB, but its not like Skelton marched them down the field for the victory in the 4 OTs.

Against St. Louis, it was a 99 yard Patrick Peterson punt return that won the game.

Against Dallas, it was Kolb who threw the winning TD in OT (after Dallas massively botched the game to even get to that point).

In the Cleveland game, Peterson returned it to inside the Browns' 40. Skelton was able to get them closer for a shorter field goal though.

The final game of the year vs. Seattle seems like a legit Skelton-led OT winning drive, though Fitz had to make a great catch on a poor throw.

All 4 of the games were pretty low scoring too, so the Defense and Special Teams deserve extra credit for the wins.

 

[bengalbuck]

I get the frustration but how many QB's with 7 career starts would have had a successful season when they have almost no offseason to practice with their new team?ETA: I'm with Sabertooth on this one. He seems to be a great guy to take a flyer on late.

Dude's getting an unbelievably bad shake.

I think the no offseason stuff is overblown. It didn't stop Cam Newton and Andy Dalton from having 2 of the better rookie QB seasons ever. Even a guy like Matt Moore performed much better than Kolb under similar circumstances.

 

[kutta]

I get the frustration but how many QB's with 7 career starts would have had a successful season when they have almost no offseason to practice with their new team?ETA: I'm with Sabertooth on this one. He seems to be a great guy to take a flyer on late.

Dude's getting an unbelievably bad shake.

Serious question - did you watch his games last year? I'm wondering if you are coming to your conclusion based upon the idea that he only started 7 games and therefore would need more time, or if you watched the 7 games and like what you saw.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

A league source tells Profootballtalk.com that the Bills are interested in free agent Kevin Kolb.Per PFT, Buffalo is "at least interested in kicking the tires." Kolb's market has been dead silent for more than a week. He was released by Arizona on March 15. Buffalo's current first-string quarterback is Tarvaris Jackson, backed up only by 2012 UDFA Aaron Corp. They obviously need an upgrade. The Bills are also likely to use an early-round draft pick on a signal caller.

What better way to replace Fitzpatrick than a guy equally physically limited? Not really surprising to anyone that watched the guy in Arizona or during training camp in Flagstaff. Equally as skiddish and physically limited as Leinart was. He's a backup QB talent.If he can beat out Tavaris (and Kolb will likely never win a training camp duel because his pop gun arm sticks out), he'll most likely be keeping seat warm for short time for early pick. Buffalo could probably do worse if looking for a backup QB for the future.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Bills are "finalizing a deal" with free agent Kevin Kolb.Kolb will give the Bills a superior competitor with Tarvaris Jackson, but he won't keep them from using an early-round pick on a quarterback. Kolb clearly isn't a long-term answerSource: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Downgrade from Fitzpatrick, but at least gives them cheaper competition for Tavaris Jackson to serve as the stopgap for a franchise QB.

 

[kface]

Be interesting to see if he is any better if he has more than 1.5 seconds in the pocket...

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Stunning to see Kolb sucking it up yet another year at training camp....

And that he's not reacting well to pressure...

Must be some sort of conspiracy against him by O-lineman.....on 3 different teams....to not block for him, eh??

Buffalo Bills[SIZE=13.63636302947998px] fans haven't seen a lot of completed passes early [/SIZE]in training camp[SIZE=13.63636302947998px], especially by [/SIZE]Kevin Kolb[SIZE=13.63636302947998px].[/SIZE]"Kolb, who again got the first-team nod and more practice reps, looked at times like he was trying to complete passes to the water cooler on the sideline," The Buffalo News wrote about Monday's practice.

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There's no need to overreact to one practice, but we witnessed much of the same on Tuesday's "Inside Training Camp" on NFL Network. Kolb underthrew and overthrew a handful of deep receivers. Kolb was forced to throw the ball away and didn't react well to pressure. We saw a fumbled snap or two, as well. While Kolb is dealing with more complex defensive looks than rookie quarterback EJ Manuelearly in camp, these aren't great early signs.

NFL Network's Heath Evans watched the entire practice and believes Manuel ultimately will win the starting QB job. Kolb will have to outplay Manuel by a good margin to be the starter. The tie goes to the rookie.

 

[Faust]

Bills Observations: Prepared rookie Manuel looks to get nod at QB

Pat Kirwan

Excerpt:

1. The quarterback battle: Kevin Kolb is the veteran with experience and EJ Manuel the rookie who offers the hope for the future. There is no doubt, after talking with and watching fans at practice, all they need is to see some promise from Manuel to make him their man. Every time Manuel completed a practice pass the fans cheered, but when Kolb did the same it was a mild clap. I've interviewed Manuel many times, but none of them more impressive than the camp interview. I felt like I was sitting with Russell Wilson last year, the way the young man talked about preparation, leadership and efficiency. Coach Doug Marrone told me they were soon going to up Manuel's workload as they start to raise short-term expectations. My bet is Manuel responds and wins the Week 1 job.

At least he isn't being booed (so far).

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Must be Buffalo's o-lines fault he can't handle training camp pressure right??

Stunning I know. Because he couldn't handle it in Cards camp last year either.

The guy doesn't have the physical or mental tools to start in the NFL. He's David Carr. And should earn a paycheck by holding a clipboard for a few years like Carr.

Kevin Kolb - QB - Bills
WGR 550 Buffalo reports Kevin Kolb has struggled against the blitz in Bills camp.
Oh boy. Kolb has never fared well against oncoming rushers, but the fact that he can't even handle the pressure in training camp is alarming. The local and national media, including BuffaloBills.com, agree that Kolb has been getting soundly out-played by E.J. Manuel this week. The Bills' quarterback competition is taking on the air of a true 50-50 battle.
Related: E.J. Manuel

Source: WGR 550 Buffalo