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Krista4's Beatles 1-25 List Thread! Count down will start Mon Feb 14 noon ET. Will take new lists til then... (1 Viewer)

Sorry for a delayed "this date in..."  It's been a ####ty weekend.

On this date* in 1958, the Quarrymen performed in Liverpool, which show was attended by a young man named George Harrison for the first time.  George knew Paul from school, and Paul was interested in inviting him into the group, but John resisted due to George's age.

*There are some differing recollections about the date, but most consider February 6 to be the most likely, and since I don't have a lot else to offer today, I'm going with it.

 
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krista4 said:
Sorry for a delayed "this date in..."  It's been a ####ty weekend.

On this date* in 1958, the Quarrymen performed in Liverpool, which show was attended by a young man named George Harrison for the first time.  George knew Paul from school, and Paul was interested in inviting him into the group, but John resisted due to George's age.

*There are some differing recollections about the date, but most consider February 6 to be the most likely, and since I don't have a lot else to offer today, I'm going with it.
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Love George. Also love that his audition was on the top deck of an empty double-decker bus. Just whipped out his guitar and blew the boys away.

 
Binky The Doormat said:
didn't know this was his first Beatles song ...at that point I had no idea who did what in terms of who wrote what

I took to it immediately

Don't Bother Me (had no idea it was a George song ...his first for them)

Great George scene. ...She's a drag man.
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In an alternate universe, I hope they get the Beatles that stayed together longer. And, of course, George gets more than one song per album, collaborating with the rest. I love his solo stuff (probably the most of all of them) but would love to hear more of his songs that get input from John, Paul and Ringo.

"I wouldn't be caught dead in those, They're grotty." My next Beatles rabbit hole is to go back and watch (re-watch) all the movies. I haven;t seen Help! or Hard Days Night since I was like 8 years old.

 
Update: I found Hard Day's Night on HBO Max! Two observations 15 minutes in:

1. The early years are great. Criminally underrated by me, probably because I grew up with the songs and never go out of my way to listen to them again. The Beatles' in person/on screen charm make their songs so much more enjoyable, too.

2. The phrase "pie-faced painted stick" keeps popping up in my head. Not sure exactly why.

 
Album Breakdown

  • Please Please Me - 1
  • With the Beatles - 1
  • A Hard Day's Night - 2
  • Beatles for Sale - 1
  • Help! - 3
  • Rubber Soul - 2
  • Revolver - 2
  • Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band - 1
  • White Album - 2
  • Abbey Road - 1
  • Let It Be - 2
  • Single - 5
  • Magical Mystery Tour - 2
I'm not really surprised by the spread - there's not really a Beatles album I hate.  @krista4 - I ended up with 5 singles.

I spent so much time on the top 25 that I feel good about it but honestly, there's probably only about 8-10 songs that looking at them I would say would have been on my list back when we did it the first time and would stay on my list in 3 more years.  That says more about how good songs 26-50 are than how weak the list may be.  I have A LOT of heavy hitters not in my list.  I'll explain more later in the countdown.

 
DocHolliday said:
Help! is an outstanding album and I love the first half.   It is strong.   Help! is the beginning of my favorite period of the Beatles and it starts a string of albums that makes the Beatles the greatest band ever.  
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just wanted to touch back on this ...

when i was younger, and amassing all things Beatles, it was still during the era of only having the U.S./Capitol releases on hand - so you can just imagine why Help!, in that butchered iteration, never really caught my fancy. 

now, i did quite like Beatles '65, and Beatles VI - the latter always striking me as their "Everly/Country" effort. 

i'm sure there were jernts that carried the official British platters, but a 10-12 year old, as i was at that time, sure as #### didn't know, nor would i have known to ask  :shrug:

so - Beatles '65/Help!/Beatles VI were kinda a mishmash of Beatles For Sale, Help!, Rubber Soul  - 

rediscovering the releases, in their proper structure, was like unearthing a different band, if that makes any sense?

Help! is a powerhouse. 

/fin.

 
ProstheticRGK said:
Update: I found Hard Day's Night on HBO Max! Two observations 15 minutes in:

1. The early years are great. Criminally underrated by me, probably because I grew up with the songs and never go out of my way to listen to them again. The Beatles' in person/on screen charm make their songs so much more enjoyable, too.

2. The phrase "pie-faced painted stick" keeps popping up in my head. Not sure exactly why.
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:lmao:  I love this movie, and you're right about their charm (and charisma).  Believe it or not, I've never seen "Help!"

AAABatteries said:
Album Breakdown

  • Please Please Me - 1
  • With the Beatles - 1
  • A Hard Day's Night - 2
  • Beatles for Sale - 1
  • Help! - 3
  • Rubber Soul - 2
  • Revolver - 2
  • Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band - 1
  • White Album - 2
  • Abbey Road - 1
  • Let It Be - 2
  • Single - 5
  • Magical Mystery Tour - 2
I'm not really surprised by the spread - there's not really a Beatles album I hate.  @krista4 - I ended up with 5 singles.

I spent so much time on the top 25 that I feel good about it but honestly, there's probably only about 8-10 songs that looking at them I would say would have been on my list back when we did it the first time and would stay on my list in 3 more years.  That says more about how good songs 26-50 are than how weak the list may be.  I have A LOT of heavy hitters not in my list.  I'll explain more later in the countdown.
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:popcorn:  

 
My mom used the ranking device and got her 25, then looked at the list and said it was all wrong.  :lmao:   Welcome to my world!

By the way, I made a change to my list and realized I should have alerted @ProstheticRGK since he put in a guess on my 25.  I removed one from Rubber Soul and added one from Let It Be.  Everything else remained the same in terms of numbers from each album and number of new entrants to my top 10 and top 25.

 
krista4 said:
My mom used the ranking device and got her 25, then looked at the list and said it was all wrong.  :lmao:   Welcome to my world!
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How does the ranking device help? I clicked the link you originally posted because I read all of your posts, but didn't spend any time messing with the contraption itself.

 
The last two months doing the LZ and Beatles top 25 has been so much fun for me.  I know many of you have been doing both but it's not an exaggeration that these are my two favorites bands.  Both due to their excellence - the songwriting and each band member was uber talented - but also the sheer volume of content both have.  There's honestly very few groups that even come close (the Beach Boys, Simon and Garfunkel, Rolling Stones, Queen and maybe The Kinks are really the only other ones I would consider).

Before doing these exercises I have said for many years that despite how cliche it may seem to some, The Beatles were somewhat easily my favorite band.  LZ is a pretty easy #2 and Anarchy's thread has been one of my favorite threads in a long time - due to not listening to some of the deeper cuts of LZ as often as I do the Beatles.  Anyway, I was marveling how fantastic the LZ catalog is.  It's incredible.  I almost had myself thinking they could contend with the Liverpool boys - that is until I started doing this list.

So, this weekend as I'm listening to even more LZ and Beatles I start thinking - why are these two your favorite and why do you still have The Beatles easily in the #1 spot - what is it besides the obvious that make the difference?  The more I thought about it the more I came back to this idea:

For pretty much any group I list above - I need to be in certain moods to want to listen or really get in to it.  LZ, Stones, Queen - I want to rock.  S&G I want to be deep in thought and most likely drinking whiskey.  The Kinks - I want to be quirky.  The Beach Boys - I want the sun in my face, windows down, on the beach.  For The Beatles - it doesn't matter what my mood is.  I can listen to them when I'm sad, when I'm angry, when I'm drinking, when I'm running - and it just makes me happy.  They can instantly change my mood and put a smile on my face.  I think the reason for this is just how outstanding they are and how many of their songs make me think of my wife.  Half my list are songs that within seconds I'm thinking of my wife and our time together.  And she's not even a huge Beatles fan!  :)  

 
Uruk-Hai said:
How does the ranking device help? I clicked the link you originally posted because I read all of your posts, but didn't spend any time messing with the contraption itself.
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I'm not sure what you're asking, but I appreciate that you read my posts!

Pip's Invitation said:
There’s the Get Back recency bias again!
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Absolutely.  The ability to envision them creating and performing these songs is making a difference right now.

AAABatteries said:
For pretty much any group I list above - I need to be in certain moods to want to listen or really get in to it.  LZ, Stones, Queen - I want to rock.  S&G I want to be deep in thought and most likely drinking whiskey.  The Kinks - I want to be quirky.  The Beach Boys - I want the sun in my face, windows down, on the beach.  For The Beatles - it doesn't matter what my mood is.  I can listen to them when I'm sad, when I'm angry, when I'm drinking, when I'm running - and it just makes me happy.  They can instantly change my mood and put a smile on my face.  I think the reason for this is just how outstanding they are and how many of their songs make me think of my wife.  Half my list are songs that within seconds I'm thinking of my wife and our time together.  And she's not even a huge Beatles fan!  :)  
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Love this analysis.   As to the bold.

 
krista4 said:
I'm not sure what you're asking
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I'm not sure, either, because I don't know how the damned thing works :lol:

I just entered any song I'd consider for a Top 25 in a spreadsheet, juggled them around, sorted them, and walla walla.

Does the ranking machine do something more?

 
Six days of voting left....

52 lists in.

163 songs listed.

126 songs voted on at least twice.  I find that number really cool.

Every 5 to 10 songs is another pocket in the rankings that each list changes quite a bit.

 
AAABatteries said:
The last two months doing the LZ and Beatles top 25 has been so much fun for me.  I know many of you have been doing both but it's not an exaggeration that these are my two favorites bands.  Both due to their excellence - the songwriting and each band member was uber talented - but also the sheer volume of content both have.  There's honestly very few groups that even come close (the Beach Boys, Simon and Garfunkel, Rolling Stones, Queen and maybe The Kinks are really the only other ones I would consider).

Before doing these exercises I have said for many years that despite how cliche it may seem to some, The Beatles were somewhat easily my favorite band.  LZ is a pretty easy #2 and Anarchy's thread has been one of my favorite threads in a long time - due to not listening to some of the deeper cuts of LZ as often as I do the Beatles.  Anyway, I was marveling how fantastic the LZ catalog is.  It's incredible.  I almost had myself thinking they could contend with the Liverpool boys - that is until I started doing this list.

So, this weekend as I'm listening to even more LZ and Beatles I start thinking - why are these two your favorite and why do you still have The Beatles easily in the #1 spot - what is it besides the obvious that make the difference?  The more I thought about it the more I came back to this idea:

For pretty much any group I list above - I need to be in certain moods to want to listen or really get in to it.  LZ, Stones, Queen - I want to rock.  S&G I want to be deep in thought and most likely drinking whiskey.  The Kinks - I want to be quirky.  The Beach Boys - I want the sun in my face, windows down, on the beach.  For The Beatles - it doesn't matter what my mood is.  I can listen to them when I'm sad, when I'm angry, when I'm drinking, when I'm running - and it just makes me happy.  They can instantly change my mood and put a smile on my face.  I think the reason for this is just how outstanding they are and how many of their songs make me think of my wife.  Half my list are songs that within seconds I'm thinking of my wife and our time together.  And she's not even a huge Beatles fan!  :)  
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the main reason the Beatles & Led Zep are exceptional? there are at least two songs in most songs. believe me, songs are rare enough (all but 2-3 of the most fertile rock songwriters ran out eventually) in even the most talented minds that writers are selfish with them.

the safest way with what one has is to pound it til the circle is complete, decorate it, put it down, move on. the more people you can get to join in the better, but it's gotta stay yours all the way or it'll wind up not being yours. Lennon/McCartney had such a partnership and Plant/Page's outlooks were so different but complimentary that whatever one would bring in would bounce off whatever was in the other's forever circle til a piece would fall out. Each partnership trusted the other enough to offer that piece instead of shoving it back in to their gullivers to get fuller for themselves. i've counted up to six song germs in Beatles tunes (and that dont count the Two Georges' flourishes) and Jimmy Page almost broke his brain trying to write riffs that Bobby Planet couldnt turn into hummer howls. it's the sacrifices we make for our arts which make them beautiful.

 
Getzlaf15 said:
Six days of voting left....

52 lists in.

163 songs listed.

126 songs voted on at least twice.  I find that number really cool.

Every 5 to 10 songs is another pocket in the rankings that each list changes quite a bit.
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How many different #1s?

 
Getzlaf15 said:
I've added that list.   No need to edit that cool list.
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a fairy godmother####er has gifted me a Diz+ window and i just watched Ep1. as remarkable as i had hoped, but i dont think it'll edit my list (unless submitting "Enoch Powell" is acceptable), thank you for saving it.

 
wikkidpissah said:
a fairy godmother####er has gifted me a Diz+ window and i just watched Ep1. as remarkable as i had hoped, but i dont think it'll edit my list (unless submitting "Enoch Powell" is acceptable), thank you for saving it.
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Not a problem if you later want to edit.  LMK.    They are all on page 112-113 in the old thread.

 
Had no idea this was happening. I just started watching Get Back yesterday and it is unbelievable. Totally enthralled. Paul is a genius of the highest order. I took the original list of songs and quickly cut it to 62. I'll PM my top 25 once I go through it a few more times.

 
pecorino said:
Had no idea this was happening. I just started watching Get Back yesterday and it is unbelievable. Totally enthralled. Paul is a genius of the highest order. I took the original list of songs and quickly cut it to 62. I'll PM my top 25 once I go through it a few more times.
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Cutting the final fifteen was not easy. The final cuts included Hey Bulldog, I Feel Fine, I've Just Seen A Face, And Your Bird Can Sing, and Blackbird, all of which I love. Ask me another day, and it'd be a different list.

 
pecorino said:
Cutting the final fifteen was not easy. The final cuts included Hey Bulldog, I Feel Fine, I've Just Seen A Face, And Your Bird Can Sing, and Blackbird, all of which I love. Ask me another day, and it'd be a different list.
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Are you new here?

 
Uruk-Hai said:
I'm not sure, either, because I don't know how the damned thing works :lol:

I just entered any song I'd consider for a Top 25 in a spreadsheet, juggled them around, sorted them, and walla walla.

Does the ranking machine do something more?
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It's a series of head-to-head matchups.  It generates the matchups and you click through until it has definitively sorted them.  Advantageous to me for the following:

1.  If you have a list of, say, 60...or 204...that you want to put in order, it can be a bit daunting to look at the list as a whole.  This helps.  I wish I'd had it when I did the 204.

2.  Keeps you a bit honest.  I read them out to OH and had him tell me which one he selects, and I noticed he would, for instance, have x higher (Binky, lower) than y, and y higher than z, but then z higher than x.  It sorts through those inconsistencies to give a "best" estimate of what you think.

 
krista4 said:
It's a series of head-to-head matchups.  It generates the matchups and you click through until it has definitively sorted them.  Advantageous to me for the following:

1.  If you have a list of, say, 60...or 204...that you want to put in order, it can be a bit daunting to look at the list as a whole.  This helps.  I wish I'd had it when I did the 204.

2.  Keeps you a bit honest.  I read them out to OH and had him tell me which one he selects, and I noticed he would, for instance, have x higher (Binky, lower) than y, and y higher than z, but then z higher than x.  It sorts through those inconsistencies to give a "best" estimate of what you think.
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It's like fine tuning a prescription for eye glasses

 
Eephus said:
It's like fine tuning a prescription for eye glasses
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always loved the Elayne Boozler joke about leaving her optometrist boyfriend because she got tired of sex with him.

She said he was always "better like this ...or better like this."

 
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krista4 said:
It's a series of head-to-head matchups.  It generates the matchups and you click through until it has definitively sorted them.  Advantageous to me for the following:

1.  If you have a list of, say, 60...or 204...that you want to put in order, it can be a bit daunting to look at the list as a whole.  This helps.  I wish I'd had it when I did the 204.

2.  Keeps you a bit honest.  I read them out to OH and had him tell me which one he selects, and I noticed he would, for instance, have x higher (Binky, lower) than y, and y higher than z, but then z higher than x.  It sorts through those inconsistencies to give a "best" estimate of what you think.
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Thanks. I can see where that would help folks sort through it, but I would have ended up in a straight jacket trying to do that.

 
krista4 said:
As you probably know, today is a particularly special date in Beatles history.

I'm talking, of course, of George's tonsillectomy on the date in 1969.  

Wait, you thought something more important happened on this date?

Well I guess there was this little thing in 1964.  (Oddly enough, George had a sore throat that day, too.)
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So, it took exactly 5 years for him to get that sore throat taken care of? Typical guy.

 
krista4 said:
It's a series of head-to-head matchups.  It generates the matchups and you click through until it has definitively sorted them.  Advantageous to me for the following:

1.  If you have a list of, say, 60...or 204...that you want to put in order, it can be a bit daunting to look at the list as a whole.  This helps.  I wish I'd had it when I did the 204.

2.  Keeps you a bit honest.  I read them out to OH and had him tell me which one he selects, and I noticed he would, for instance, have x higher (Binky, lower) than y, and y higher than z, but then z higher than x.  It sorts through those inconsistencies to give a "best" estimate of what you think.
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Which page has the link to this? 

 
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