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[azcards33]

just wanted to let everyone else know what's going on out in here in AZ and the feeling I am getting from the Monday Night game being held here.I listened to "The Sports Zone" with Evan Endeen today from 3-5 and they had numerous callers saying that after the Monday night game being held here, they were ashamed to be from Arizona, and this is the reasoning they gave:The game's attendace was somewhere in the neighborhood of 64,000 to 74,000 from estimates that were given. At the same time, $200, 000 worth of donations were received. That averages out to about $3 per person or less. The caller said that for a night at the movies or to go out to eat it would have costed more, and the attendees should have been much more generous in their givingThe hosts of the show agreed with the caller and said that the only people in attendace were ASU students who were going to spend their money on beer and who knows what else, rather than giving an adequate donation. The hosts went on to call those in attendace "the lowest form of life out there" and stated that although the people stepped up by attending a game they didn't even know was gonna take place just 24 hours earlier, each should have at least given a minimum of $10, and since the Cardinals ticket office handled this, they should have even charged $10 and donated all the proceeds, rather than making a donation optional.They gave the logic that even if the attendance for the game matched that of the Cardinals home average (40,000), that would have been $400,000 rather than the $200,000 they apparantly got from the game

 

[tdoss]

There was an interview during the game and there was talk of it being somewhere in neighborhood of $500,000 from the look of all the people...guess they overestimated Arizona resident's charitable nature...

 

[caul]

Comon guys. The majority of the people who went, were ASU students, and im sure you guys know how cheap/poor college students are. That doesnt make em the lowest form of life. But when your in college and something free is offered, and they ask for you to donate what you can spare, most of the time they really cant spare much.

 

[ACE]

Comon guys. The majority of the people who went, were ASU students, and im sure you guys know how cheap/poor college students are. That doesnt make em the lowest form of life. But when your in college and something free is offered, and they ask for you to donate what you can spare, most of the time they really cant spare much.

This, sadly, is quite true. I'm in college now and I quite literally don't have $10 to just "donate" out of the goodness of my heart. Sorry, I'd like to help out, but like caul said, when something free is offered to a college student they will take it, but they will not give up eating a few meals just for the hell of it.

 

[bentley]

lmao at college students not being able to dish out the 10 bucks when theyll drop a twenty on a clubs cover charge Friday and Saturday night.

 

[Night Hawks]

lmao at college students not being able to dish out the 10 bucks when theyll drop a twenty on a clubs cover charge Friday and Saturday night.

That is a pathetic donation regardless of how it is spun.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

In a related story, Marvin "Snoop" Minnis did pay $3 bucks to get in. He's got to save his money with his career in the crapper.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

This, sadly, is quite true. I'm in college now and I quite literally don't have $10 to just "donate" out of the goodness of my heart. Sorry, I'd like to help out, but like caul said, when something free is offered to a college student they will take it, but they will not give up eating a few meals just for the hell of it.

I'm calling BS here. I sincerely doubt if there are any college students poorer than I was and I guarantee you I'd have shelled out more or not have attended. Same reasoning behind goin' out on a date to a restaurant and not having enough to tip. If you don't have enough to tip, you don't have enough to go out.Saddest part is that that was the average. How many "starving students" paid nothing?EDITED TO ADD: I'll condemn judgmental people tomorrow.Being a student is not an excuse for being a miser. FUCLA's point about $$ for clubbing is soooo true.BTW: I am not doubting the quoted poster on him not having cash right now. But wouldn't you be ashamed to stiff the organization to a point where you'd just pass on the game?As far as "it's free" goes...it wasn't.

 

[S.K.A.]

FWIW, I donated 17X more than the average according to that statistic.

 

[BoltBacker]

They gave the logic that even if the attendance for the game matched that of the Cardinals home average (40,000), that would have been $400,000 rather than the $200,000 they apparantly got from the game

That's pretty poor logic.

 

[ACE]

I'm calling BS here. I sincerely doubt if there are any college students poorer than I was and I guarantee you I'd have shelled out more or not have attended. Same reasoning behind goin' out on a date to a restaurant and not having enough to tip. If you don't have enough to tip, you don't have enough to go out.Saddest part is that that was the average. How many "starving students" paid nothing?EDITED TO ADD: I'll condemn judgmental people tomorrow.Being a student is not an excuse for being a miser. FUCLA's point about $$ for clubbing is soooo true.BTW: I am not doubting the quoted poster on him not having cash right now. But wouldn't you be ashamed to stiff the organization to a point where you'd just pass on the game?As far as "it's free" goes...it wasn't.

Dude, I see kids standing in line with homeless people selling their plasma 3 times a month or subjecting themselves to scientific experiments for $5 just to help make a small dent in the $400-$500 that they will need to buy books for a semester. Not every college kid goes "clubbing" every night, nor has clubs to even go to. It's fine if you want to say that you wouldn't go. Hell, most of the people I know would probably be too busy to even think about going, financial aspect aside. In addition, this $10 figure is completely arbitrary, is it not? Was this the suggested donation that was posted somewhere, or are we condemning these people after the fact?

 

[azcards33]

This is straight from the Arizona Cardinals website:Cards Cheerleader Bernadette Reyes watched in amazement as one man dropped a stack of $100 bills in her bucket. “He just dropped it in like it was nothing," she said.In all, an estimated $200,000 was raised from fans entering the game. The evening also offered Cards players a chance to enjoy a football game without too much concern over the outcome. Players David Barrett, Jeff Blake, Wendell Bryant, Bill Gramatica, Gerald Hayes, Renaldo Hill, Dexter Jackson, Pete Kendall, Josh McCown, Preston Parsons, Nate Poole, Coby Rhinehart, Emmitt Smith, Michael Stone, Fred Wakefield, and Reggie Wells all gathered in suites to watch the action.

 

[BigTuna]

they were probably too drunk to even realize that they are expected to donate.. or drunk enough to not give a damn.. they were out there all day partying.. It doesn't surprise me.. I don't really think any less of them for not donating.. they're kids,, what do you expect?? I would venture to guess that most of the adults donated more than 3 bucks... they probably made up for the drunk college students that didn't pay anything.. they probably made good money on beer sales though... was that donated???

 

[ChromeWeasel]

Nighthawks and Brave Sir Robin are obviously charitable guys. Here's a link for both of you : https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp

You can donate money to the Red Cross there since they are already helping out with the Fire Relief in California. Then come back here and tell us how much you gave, THEN maybe you can lecture everyone about how cheap people are in Arizona. It's pretty easy to speak up when you arent doing jack to help out yourself.

 

[JaxBill]

Thanks for the link. With the wildfires we had here in North Florida a few years ago, I felt compelled to donate.

 

[Demon]

Nighthawks and Brave Sir Robin are obviously charitable guys. Here's a link for both of you : https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.aspYou can donate money to the Red Cross there since they are already helping out with the Fire Relief in California. Then come back here and tell us how much you gave, THEN maybe you can lecture everyone about how cheap people are in Arizona. It's pretty easy to speak up when you arent doing jack to help out yourself.

I'm sure that those people who watched the game on television would be willing to contribute money for the relief effort, given that they also enjoyed the game. Or is it easier to be critical of those too destitute to afford to contribute.To make generalizations based upon a person's age or educational status is ignorant. I didn't go to clubs when I was attending college. I was too busy studying and working. Even though I generally held at least two jobs the entire time I went to undergrad, I still only ate decently when I had an exam. I didn't have the money to eat decently most of the time.

 

[Mordred]

FWIW, I donated 17X more than the average according to that statistic.(And from that other post: "Cards Cheerleader Bernadette Reyes watched in amazement as one man dropped a stack of $100 bills in her bucket. ")

This is what makes it even more gruesome from the average fan's perspective. You know the family men, professionals, etc, dropped WAY more than 3 bucks each. But so many potential donators were probably stonewalled by the prospects of several hours worth of waiting due to the crush of 50,000 college students who A) could go there hours earlier to make a big party of it -- without having to worry about anything but missing class, and B) had no intention of donating anything to begin with.Since there were still instances of folks dropping 50, 100, or significantly more, you know that those college kids anted up pocket change, on average.I hang this one on management, who should've anticipated this with a move to a college town. The ten-buck-ticket all-proceeds-going-to plan would've been much better.

 

[azcards33]

From the Arizona Republic online this morning on this very subject:

Phony donations spur laughs

But wildfire relief still got $225,000

Carlos Miller

The Arizona Republic

Oct. 29, 2003 12:00 AM

One bill had Saddam Hussein's picture on it, an Iraqi dinar most likely brought home by an American soldier.

Another had President Bush's picture on it, a phony $200 note that a Scottsdale company sells online for $29 for a box of 100.

Although both were worthless, they provided comic relief for the 35 people counting the buckets of cash inside Sun Devil Stadium after the Monday Night Football game between the Miami Dolphins and the San Diego Chargers.

At last count, more than $225,000 was raised for wildfire relief in Southern California, said Ron Minegar, vice president of marketing and sales for the Cardinals.

That, and an anniversary ring found in one of the buckets filled with cash.

"We placed it in the lost and found," Minegar said.

Cardinals officials said they gave away more than 73,000 tickets to the game, which was moved from San Diego to Tempe with a day's notice after Qualcomm Stadium was turned into an evacuation center for fire victims. However, radio and TV sports personalities estimated the attendance at about 65,000.

Minegar was pleased despite the people calling Valley radio stations Tuesday to berate the fans for not donating more money.

"We have a quarter-million dollars going to people who need it. A quarter-million dollars that was not available and probably a quarter-million dollars more than any other city has raised," he said.

 

[BoltzNBrew]

What were the beer sales from that game? I'd bet it was more than was donated. The whole "poor college student" excuse is a weak one. I sitll don't know why they felt an AZ college town was the best option. I am by no means rich and would much rather spend the money on toys for my sons birthday or actually had gone to the game, but I donated the $100 I got refunded for my ticket and what I would have spent at the game. I know it's not much but it will help someone somehow. As we sit here there are still homes and WHOLE COMMUNITIES being engulfed by this inferno. So, everyone feel free to continue to help out and dontate whatever they can.

 

[schooner44]

Here's the way I see it:If the "poor, starving" college students that went and did not donate more than $5 also didn't buy one drink or get one order of nachos then I saw thats fine. However, I am willing to bet that almost everyone that went spent their fair share on beer, nachos, peanuts etc and if they couldn't give up drinking/junk food for one night to help people who are losing their homes then they deserve to be riduculed. Thats just pathetic that someone can't "sacrifice" a night without drinking in order to help someone out. I also was a poor starving college student but you can bet your *** that I would have donated at least $10 because it would have been the right thing to do.

 

[Smoke4Brains]

The NFL should have paid all of those fans to watch those two boring teams.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Here's the way I see it:If the "poor, starving" college students that went and did not donate more than $5 also didn't buy one drink or get one order of nachos then I saw thats fine. However, I am willing to bet that almost everyone that went spent their fair share on beer, nachos, peanuts etc and if they couldn't give up drinking/junk food for one night to help people who are losing their homes then they deserve to be riduculed. Thats just pathetic that someone can't "sacrifice" a night without drinking in order to help someone out. I also was a poor starving college student but you can bet your *** that I would have donated at least $10 because it would have been the right thing to do.

I would have donated $25, so I guess you are a cheapskate.

 

[bentley]

again, lmao at these poor starving students dropping bills on beer before the game and a five spot for a 12 ouncer at the game. i was pretty much as poor as it gets when it comes to college kids. my parents chipped in a roll of toilet paper every now and then, but loans and grants for me.it is just insulting to suggest that these kids cannot afford 10 bucks. ####ing spare me. sure, there were probably a handful..but come on. spare me the high and mighty, unless you have been there and what have you done rhetoric. these clowns went to a football game that normally would have ran 50 bucks or so per ticket. i guarantee that these same kids are dropping 4 bucks on a latte at starbucks, dropping a 10 to hear the local punk band or whatnot and a 20 as covercharge for a local club.i am sure none of these kids smoke pot or take E either. i am just appalled by the willingness of some posters to justify and explain this selfishness. a waitress at Dennys would get more in tip from a party of two than the avg donation amount of this game. just shocking.

 

[Legion of Doom]

LOL So I guess all you cheapskate haters are going to donate to make up the difference. :rotflmao: Preach on!

 

[bagger]

I'm calling BS here. I sincerely doubt if there are any college students poorer than I was and I guarantee you I'd have shelled out more or not have attended.

This is the key point here. If you didn't have enough money to donate at least $10, then you shouldn't have gone.

 

[bagger]

again, lmao at these poor starving students dropping bills on beer before the game and a five spot for a 12 ouncer at the game. i was pretty much as poor as it gets when it comes to college kids. my parents chipped in a roll of toilet paper every now and then, but loans and grants for me.

it is just insulting to suggest that these kids cannot afford 10 bucks. ####ing spare me. sure, there were probably a handful..but come on. spare me the high and mighty, unless you have been there and what have you done rhetoric. these clowns went to a football game that normally would have ran 50 bucks or so per ticket. i guarantee that these same kids are dropping 4 bucks on a latte at starbucks, dropping a 10 to hear the local punk band or whatnot and a 20 as covercharge for a local club.

i am sure none of these kids smoke pot or take E either.

i am just appalled by the willingness of some posters to justify and explain this selfishness. a waitress at Dennys would get more in tip from a party of two than the avg donation amount of this game. just shocking.

Exactly. Please tell me this "cheap" people? If all these people were so poor, why did the beer vendors run out of beer with 10 minutes to go in the second quarter?I've only lived out here a year and I was embarrassed. I thought $700k - $1m would be the amount of money raised, especially when people from AZ were effected by bad wildfires last year. You'd think they'd have empathy.

 

[Legion of Doom]

If you didn't have enough money to donate at least $10, then you shouldn't have gone.

Says who? IMO they(nfl,AZST) wanted to fill the stadium for MNF and they succeded,if they were trying to really raise money they would have charged for the tickets but instead they went they 'donation' route to ensure a full stadium.I hold the NFL just as responsible for the low donations as the 'cheapskates' as they did not really care either IMO.[Edit to add] IMO there were 3 groups at the game:a)Football fans who were thrilled to pay a reduced price for a nfl game who gave $10-$20,which went to charity to boot!(which includes most of this board)b) those who were simpathetic and simply wanted to help those in need.(very few,and left @ halftime )c) College kids who now have a free prime time party spot and could not tell you the final score b/c they could care less.(prolly most considering when beer ran out)What group did the nfl really expect at a college campus?

 

[Vipers]

Wow. I didn't know it was mandatory to donate money to attend the game. I thought it was free. Who's to say that the people who attended the game don't make other charitable contributions. Give these people a break. If a large majority of the fans in attendence were students, I don't blame them one bit. Money is hard to come by when your at school. They are 18, 19, 20 years old and still immature and the game was free. Hard as it might seem, poor college students look for freebies all the time. I wonder how many of them have ever seen a live NFL game. It might have been there first time and only time to see a game for quite awhile. It was FREE.

 

[bagger]

Says who? IMO they(nfl,AZST) wanted to fill the stadium for MNF and they succeded,if they were trying to really raise money they would have charged for the tickets but instead they went they 'donation' route to ensure a full stadium.I hold they NFL just as responsible for the low donations as the 'cheapskates' as they did not really care either IMO.

It's the right thing to do. I would have gone to the game if it wasn't sold out (or on it's way to being sold out with long lines) and would have donated at least $20.These cheap asses took tickets away from people who would have donated.Monday night was pathetic.People were sitting in the wrong seats, causing fights. People were fighting over parking spaces in the parking lot. People were boozing like there was no tomorrow.For a charity event the behavior that was going on was disgusting.But that's what happens when you get the kind of people who don't have jobs and are willing to wait in line for hours on end when they should be working.If you don't understand what's wrong with not donating $ (at least $5) that says a lot about your character.

 

[bagger]

Wow. I didn't know it was mandatory to donate money to attend the game. I thought it was free. Who's to say that the people who attended the game don't make other charitable contributions. Give these people a break. If a large majority of the fans in attendence were students, I don't blame them one bit. Money is hard to come by when your at school. They are 18, 19, 20 years old and still immature and the game was free. Hard as it might seem, poor college students look for freebies all the time. I wonder how many of them have ever seen a live NFL game. It might have been there first time and only time to see a game for quite awhile. It was FREE.

It wasn't mandatory, but it was implied and was the right thing to do.The implication was you get a MNF game for a donation of your discretion.If you went and didn't give, you took advantage of the situation.btw, nice 2nd post. <_< j

 

[kutta]

Says who? IMO they(nfl,AZST) wanted to fill the stadium for MNF and they succeded,if they were trying to really raise money they would have charged for the tickets but instead they went they 'donation' route to ensure a full stadium.I hold the NFL just as responsible for the low donations as the 'cheapskates' as they did not really care either IMO.[Edit to add] IMO there were 3 groups at the game:a)Football fans who were thrilled to pay a reduced price for a nfl game who gave $10-$20,which went to charity to boot!(which includes most of this board)b) those who were simpathetic and simply wanted to help those in need.(very few,and left @ halftime )c) College kids who now have a free prime time party spot and could not tell you the final score b/c they could care less.(prolly most considering when beer ran out)What group did the nfl really expect at a college campus?

I agree with Legion.

 

[TheFanatic]

I'm calling BS here. I sincerely doubt if there are any college students poorer than I was and I guarantee you I'd have shelled out more or not have attended. Same reasoning behind goin' out on a date to a restaurant and not having enough to tip. If you don't have enough to tip, you don't have enough to go out.Saddest part is that that was the average. How many "starving students" paid nothing?EDITED TO ADD: I'll condemn judgmental people tomorrow.Being a student is not an excuse for being a miser. FUCLA's point about $$ for clubbing is soooo true.BTW: I am not doubting the quoted poster on him not having cash right now. But wouldn't you be ashamed to stiff the organization to a point where you'd just pass on the game?As far as "it's free" goes...it wasn't.

How much do you donate to charities or tithe every year? Be honest?

 

[Jason Wood]

This, sadly, is quite true. I'm in college now and I quite literally don't have $10 to just "donate" out of the goodness of my heart. Sorry, I'd like to help out, but like caul said, when something free is offered to a college student they will take it, but they will not give up eating a few meals just for the hell of it.

I understand that, but let me ask you a question...how many of those "poor" ASU students who went to a MNF football game for free, somehow found it in their budgets for a couple of beers and some overpriced hot dogs and nachos inside the stadium?Cheers

 

[bagger]

I'm calling BS here. I sincerely doubt if there are any college students poorer than I was and I guarantee you I'd have shelled out more or not have attended. Same reasoning behind goin' out on a date to a restaurant and not having enough to tip. If you don't have enough to tip, you don't have enough to go out.Saddest part is that that was the average. How many "starving students" paid nothing?EDITED TO ADD: I'll condemn judgmental people tomorrow.Being a student is not an excuse for being a miser. FUCLA's point about $$ for clubbing is soooo true.BTW: I am not doubting the quoted poster on him not having cash right now. But wouldn't you be ashamed to stiff the organization to a point where you'd just pass on the game?As far as "it's free" goes...it wasn't.

How much do you donate to charities or tithe every year? Be honest?

What does that have to do with anything?If you couldn't afford to give, you shouldn't have gone.Period.

 

[Legion of Doom]

If you don't understand what's wrong with not donating $ (at least $5) that says a lot about your character.

Well bagger the same thing could be said about your pompus attitude on the amount donated.Who are we to say what is the right/wrong amount to donate.I would have gladly gave $20 to see a nfl game,others obviously did not. I have no problem with the college student who paid a few bucks to enjoy the game,if that is all the money he had.If you went to that game and spent $20 on beer and food and only donated a few bucks,then shame on you.

 

[Legion of Doom]

I understand that, but let me ask you a question...how many of those "poor" ASU students who went to a MNF football game for free, somehow found it in their budgets for a couple of beers and some overpriced hot dogs and nachos inside the stadium?Cheers

Prolly quite a few and shame on them!

 

[bagger]

If you don't understand what's wrong with not donating $ (at least $5) that says a lot about your character.

Well bagger the same thing could be said about your pompus attitude on the amount donated.Who are we to say what is the right/wrong amount to donate.I would have gladly gave $20 to see a nfl game,others obviously did not. I have no problem with the college student who paid a few bucks to enjoy the game,if that is all the money he had.If you went to that game and spent $20 on beer and food and only donated a few bucks,then shame on you.

Any amount would have been sufficient.However, people weren't donating $2.74 apiece. It was probably in the range of 20,000 people donating $10 and the other 53,000 donating $0.That's the problem I have. It's the 53,000 that are the losers.

 

[bentley]

to put in into perspective. the parking lot probably took in more cash than the amount given to charity.listen, this isnt ethiopia. to suggest that a college kid doesnt have 10 bucks is just rEdiculous. the vast majority of college kids drop 10 bucks at the movie theater or on a night out. if we are talking about book worms from west virginia who grew up in wood shacks and never spend money on anything else...then ill cut them some slack.but we are all talking about kids in college who are so poor that they somehow manage to go out to party, pay the car payment on their two year old car and insurance, etc. and quit throwing out the red herring of 'how much money do you donate to charity, etc." this isnt about random giving. this is about enjoying a product for free with the implicit understanding that a donation would be taken in return.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

They gave the logic that even if the attendance for the game matched that of the Cardinals home average (40,000), that would have been $400,000 rather than the $200,000 they apparantly got from the game

FWIW, the Cardinals' average attendance is 36,732, boosted by games with GB (58,784) and SF (40,824). Sea (23,127) and Bal (24,193) are probably closer to 'normal'.

 

[Turf Toe killed Me]

Hey, let's put it in perspective. These deadbeats paid/donated what they think is the fair market value to see a NFL game, In Arizona that means people think a pro game is worth about 3 bucks......Is a Card's game worth more than that?Guess NOT....

 

[Dolfan]

I understand that, but let me ask you a question...how many of those "poor" ASU students who went to a MNF football game for free, somehow found it in their budgets for a couple of beers and some overpriced hot dogs and nachos inside the stadium?

Cheers

I agree that it is sad that the majority of atendees donated zero to pocket change, but I believe the NFL was trying to fill the stadium -- for the benefit of the San Diego Chargers and Miami Dolphins -- and to that end they succeeded. If the NFL really wanted to donate money, they would have thrown in a small percentage of the proceeds they made on their 5 dollar 12 ounce draft beers (their cost, about 50 cents), 4 dollar hot dogs (their cost, about 50 cents), and 3 dollar Cokes (their cost, about 8 cents) -- even a small percentage of these protfits would have really helped the donation efforts. If the students didn't have to pay $25 on some crappy snacks and drinks at the game, maybe they would have been able to donate a little bit more (although, sadly, probably would not have)...

 

[bagger]

I understand that, but let me ask you a question...how many of those "poor" ASU students who went to a MNF football game for free, somehow found it in their budgets for a couple of beers and some overpriced hot dogs and nachos inside the stadium?

Cheers

I agree that it is sad that the majority of atendees donated zero to pocket change, but I believe the NFL was trying to fill the stadium -- for the benefit of the San Diego Chargers and Miami Dolphins -- and to that end they succeeded. If the NFL really wanted to donate money, they would have thrown in a small percentage of the proceeds they made on their 5 dollar 12 ounce draft beers (their cost, about 50 cents), 4 dollar hot dogs (their cost, about 50 cents), and 3 dollar Cokes (their cost, about 8 cents) -- even a small percentage of these protfits would have really helped the donation efforts. If the students didn't have to pay $25 on some crappy snacks and drinks at the game, maybe they would have been able to donate a little bit more (although, sadly, probably would not have)...

all of the concessions go to asu, so it would be the university that would have donated those proceeds, not the nfl.i agree though that the nfl should have matched whatever was raised, or something to that effect.

 

[S.K.A.]

I understand that, but let me ask you a question...how many of those "poor" ASU students who went to a MNF football game for free, somehow found it in their budgets for a couple of beers and some overpriced hot dogs and nachos inside the stadium?

Cheers

I agree that it is sad that the majority of atendees donated zero to pocket change, but I believe the NFL was trying to fill the stadium -- for the benefit of the San Diego Chargers and Miami Dolphins -- and to that end they succeeded. If the NFL really wanted to donate money, they would have thrown in a small percentage of the proceeds they made on their 5 dollar 12 ounce draft beers (their cost, about 50 cents), 4 dollar hot dogs (their cost, about 50 cents), and 3 dollar Cokes (their cost, about 8 cents) -- even a small percentage of these protfits would have really helped the donation efforts. If the students didn't have to pay $25 on some crappy snacks and drinks at the game, maybe they would have been able to donate a little bit more (although, sadly, probably would not have)...

all of the concessions go to asu, so it would be the university that would have donated those proceeds, not the nfl.i agree though that the nfl should have matched whatever was raised, or something to that effect.

Are you sure about all of the concessions going to ASU?

 

[bagger]

I understand that, but let me ask you a question...how many of those "poor" ASU students who went to a MNF football game for free, somehow found it in their budgets for a couple of beers and some overpriced hot dogs and nachos inside the stadium?

Cheers

I agree that it is sad that the majority of atendees donated zero to pocket change, but I believe the NFL was trying to fill the stadium -- for the benefit of the San Diego Chargers and Miami Dolphins -- and to that end they succeeded. If the NFL really wanted to donate money, they would have thrown in a small percentage of the proceeds they made on their 5 dollar 12 ounce draft beers (their cost, about 50 cents), 4 dollar hot dogs (their cost, about 50 cents), and 3 dollar Cokes (their cost, about 8 cents) -- even a small percentage of these protfits would have really helped the donation efforts. If the students didn't have to pay $25 on some crappy snacks and drinks at the game, maybe they would have been able to donate a little bit more (although, sadly, probably would not have)...

all of the concessions go to asu, so it would be the university that would have donated those proceeds, not the nfl.i agree though that the nfl should have matched whatever was raised, or something to that effect.

Are you sure about all of the concessions going to ASU?

i believe that was the arrangement that the cardinals and asu had, and one of the reasons why the cardinals wanted their own stadium.i could be wrong, but this is my understanding.

 

[glumpy]

I understand that, but let me ask you a question...how many of those "poor" ASU students who went to a MNF football game for free, somehow found it in their budgets for a couple of beers and some overpriced hot dogs and nachos inside the stadium?

Cheers

I'd say that would have been considered mandatory! Consider that they may have had $20 in their pocket--the first thing would be to add together the cost expected for food/drinks and only then give the change!

Mr. Robin--I had to work my way through college--so no sir, you were not the poorest person there.

I have also since worked near universities and watched groups of students pool together change and turn pocketbooks upside down to give some semblance of a tip.

I guess all I'm saying here is that I think the radio station itself is pretty out of line criticizing because it wasn't the amount they might have expected. Let's say you miss out of the $1mil grand prize--are you going to complain about the $10,000 second place stipend? I think not--though yes indeed, you'd be sore disappointed!!

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On an entirely different note--in this state (NC) there is a minimum age of 21 to buy even beer, which has pretty well removed much of that from the college experience that I remember. Is that a state-by-state thing? I had thought it was national--but from these posts guess that's not true...

 

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[azcards33]

Here is the latest from the Arizona Republic online about this:



No amount of spin can excuse pitiful cheapness

Oct. 29, 2003 12:00 AM

The sign held up Monday night for all the world to see sent a strong message:

Arizona

Blesses

California.

Well, we may send our blessings, but we sure didn't send much of our cash to help out our neighbors in this time of tragedy.

I would have thought that an unplanned bonanza of free football would have led to an unfettered bounty of generosity from the fans and merchants who understood that their gain Monday night was someone else's loss. Someone else's incredible loss.

But no. It seems there were more "Big Weenies" in Tempe on Monday night than the ones being sold by the hot dog vendor.

According to a final count, 65,000 people piled into Sun Devil Stadium to watch a football game that would have been played in San Diego but for the devastation that has beset Arizona's favorite city by the sea. Sixty-five thousand people, given the chance to see an NFL game for free. The only cost - to them, at least - was the need to walk by Cardinals cheerleaders and players who held buckets, asking for donations to help the fire victims in San Diego.

A whopping $225,000 was raised for the relief effort.

"That's great," Tempe Mayor Neil Giuliano told me. "I think that's pretty good, that's a quarter of a million dollars."

Or put another way, it's $3.46 from every fan who got free admission to Monday night's game. That's the equivalent of half a beer.

That's not great. It's pitiful.

More pitiful still when you realize that while some people were dropping hundred-dollar bills into the buckets, others were dropping in Pokemon coins, play money, Iraqi money, Mexican money and the ever popular Sonic coupon for Cherry Coke. I'm sure the fire-parched victims of San Diego will really appreciate the Sonic coupon for Cherry Coke.

Just as the Super Bowl-parched politicians of Arizona appreciated the opportunity to showcase this city. "If we could do this in 24 hours," Gov. Janet Napolitano told a reporter during the game, "think what we could do with a couple years' notice."

Yeah, we might be able to raise $250,000.

I, for one, am underwhelmed and surprised because people here have always stepped forward when the need is there.

Some chalk it up to college students, or to the kind of crowd that turns out to get something for nothing. "Unfortunately, people are cheap and always look for a free handout," said Julian Wright, co-owner of the Library Bar and Grill on Mill Avenue. "And football fans, they're not the classiest crowd."

I guess not. While this crew was too cheap to pony up for the fire victims, it seems they had plenty to lay out at Wright's bar, which was packed Monday night, and at Hooter's, which did an extra $10,000 in business, and at other watering holes.

None of which, to my knowledge, has donated a single cent of unanticipated profits to the fire-relief efforts. Nor have the hotels. Nor has ASU, although school officials insist they made no money off the near-capacity crowd.

To be fair, the people who profited from San Diego's misery probably didn't have much time to think about such things in the mad scramble to get ready for some football on Monday night. But by the light of day Tuesday, one thing was clear:

We look cheap. Sending $225,000 to help the people who host us every summer when we flee a different, less deadly sort of inferno? We look really cheap.

There is a way to change that. The money donated from Monday's game will go to help victims of the worst wildfires in California history. If you'd like to send a tax-deductible donation to bolster Arizona's offering, you can send it to the San Diego Fire Relief Fund, P.O. Box 609609, San Diego, CA 92160. The fund, set up by the Chargers and the NFL, will be administered by the San Diego Foundation.

It's our belated chance to make Monday night right.

Oh, we may have proved we can put on a Super Bowl. But we did nothing to showcase ourselves as a super city.

 

[Night Hawks]

Nighthawks and Brave Sir Robin are obviously charitable guys. Here's a link for both of you : https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp

You can donate money to the Red Cross there since they are already helping out with the Fire Relief in California. Then come back here and tell us how much you gave, THEN maybe you can lecture everyone about how cheap people are in Arizona. It's pretty easy to speak up when you arent doing jack to help out yourself.

wtf are you talking about? Lecture?I commented that it is pathetic. You don't see $3 average donations as pathetic? At an event that was held for free? You have got to be kidding me if you seriously think these "poor students" didn't have a few brews and probably laughed at the gates saying "more beer $, dude!!" C'mon man. It's a 10 spot that could've been better served than going to barley and hops.

 

[Night Hawks]

I'm calling BS here.  I sincerely doubt if there are any college students poorer than I was and I guarantee you I'd have shelled out more or not have attended.  Same reasoning behind goin' out on a date to a restaurant and not having enough to tip.  If you don't have enough to tip, you don't have enough to go out.Saddest part is that that was the average.  How many "starving students" paid nothing?EDITED TO ADD:  I'll condemn judgmental people tomorrow.Being a student is not an excuse for being a miser.  FUCLA's point about $$ for clubbing is soooo true.BTW:  I am not doubting the quoted poster on him not having cash right now.  But wouldn't you be ashamed to stiff the organization to a point where you'd just pass on the game?As far as "it's free" goes...it wasn't.

How much do you donate to charities or tithe every year? Be honest?

What does that have to do with anything?If you couldn't afford to give, you shouldn't have gone.Period.

This is the main point of this. If you couldn't afford a few bucks, don't go. Watch it on TV. So those that do take the charity aspect of the event seriously can do what they can for those in California.

 

[prosopis]

When I heard there was free MNF in Phoenix I tried to get the afternoon off. I live about 2 hrs away. I was unable to get the time off. I felt like I missed a golden opportunity. FREE MNF was what was being advertised here. I never heard the word donation until I turned the game on. I think it was a great idea to get donations but here it was advertised free and it was implied it was free to fill the stands.I do a lot of charity work. I am president of a very busy charitable organization.Having said that I am cheap as hell. I prob would have donated 5$.If I could afford to go to an NFL game this deal wouldnt have seemed so cool.It was the free part that caught my ears Again I dint get to go but those are my feelings. Something shouldnt be advertised free to fill the stands and then the next day get pissed off that no one paid.