Leroy Hoard
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I still have not seen a single rooster.
Oh....it's glorious.Can text or email. Pm which method you prefer.El Floppo said:flap, please show me your rooster while we're at it.
thanks in advance.
-flop
If chickens wake up when the Rooster crows, then when do ducks wake?Oh....it's glorious.
Got it, my bad. In that case, the only way to stop a bad guy with a draft pick is to give the good guys more draft picks.Stop embarrassing yourself. He’s already addressed that.
He'll be here all week folks; try the veal and be sure to tip your waitress.acary50 is SO dumb, it takes him 2 hours to watch 60-Minutes
Lehigh98 is SO dumb, he returned his order at Dunkin because his food had a hole in it
Lets pretend that Team A didn't leave the league. How would that situation be any different? He still would have won the league last year, and Team B would still have the extra draft picks.
Lets pretend that Team A didn't leave the league. How would that situation be any different? He still would have won the league last year, and Team B would still have the extra draft picks.
pretty much at the same time, maybe a week or two. But, we had tons of people trade away lots of draft picks in the past, but they wouldnt trade such high level picks because they knew it would screw them the next year. There was a reason not to trade away super high picks. But when you know you arent coming back...Did all of this trading happen at one time, or over a few weeks?
Either way, as commish, there comes a point where you step in and put a stop to it.
There was a reason not to trade away super high picks
Why would he not have done it? He won a championship due to the trade. Sure he would have sucked in year 2 having to pick up Free Agents after the draft to fill out his roster, but sacrificing one season to go all in on another season is a legitimate strategy when trading future picks is allowed.he would not have done the trade because he would have so few players able to be drafted. He would literally end the draft with no picks in the first 3 rounds and 5 less draft picks than anyone else
Did everyone know he wasn't coming back? If so, that would put a stop to any future pick trading by that owner right then.pretty much at the same time, maybe a week or two. But, we had tons of people trade away lots of draft picks in the past, but they wouldnt trade such high level picks because they knew it would screw them the next year. There was a reason not to trade away super high picks. But when you know you arent coming back...Did all of this trading happen at one time, or over a few weeks?
Either way, as commish, there comes a point where you step in and put a stop to it.
We just have very very competitive owners that are also very tight with their money. No one (until this year) ever wanted to ruin one year or two, or three, just for the chance of MAYBE winning this year. With two keepers and a draft to fill your roster, no one goes into a season as the obvious winner. There are just too many unknowns. That is why this league has lasted for so long, every year, everyone has a chance, and everyone fights for that chance, but not to where they screw themselves for the next three years or whatever.Of course there is. Winning the current season by destroying the next is an obvious strategy in all leagues that allow trading future picks. So is tanking the current season to dominate the next draft. What's the problem here? If you allow trading future picks, this should be the norm, not rare.
no, no one knew until after the season was over and after he received his check...Did everyone know he wasn't coming back? If so, that would put a stop to any future pick trading by that owner right then.
My league that I have been in since 1990, and I have been commissioner since 1999, has a rule stating "any area not covered within this document is left to the discretion of the commissioner, pending owner approval." Over the years this rule has allowed me to police trade collusion and actually reverse trades.
We just have very very competitive owners that are also very tight with their money. No one (until this year) ever wanted to ruin one year or two, or three, just for the chance of MAYBE winning this year. With two keepers and a draft to fill your roster, no one goes into a season as the obvious winner. There are just too many unknowns. That is why this league has lasted for so long, every year, everyone has a chance, and everyone fights for that chance, but not to where they screw themselves for the next three years or whatever.
For example, we have a bonus pool called the 200 Point Club. Each week everyone automatically throws $5 into a pot. If someone scores 200 points that week, they get the pot. If no one does, that pot carries over to the next week and so on. This past season we had our first new member of the 200 Point Club in 6 years. They won over $4,000. For things like this, no one "ruins" their team for the next year as they want a chance to win this as well (the winner of the $4k last year came in 11, he just hit one badass week).
So, we never had someone intentionally ruin their future team KNOWING that they weren't going to play the following year in the first place, until now.
"Only a league full of complete idiots would try to always win it all every year." - I don't even need to reply. You took care of that yourself Rooster.This is simple, dude. How much does it cost to lose vs how much you get when you win. If the winner's payday covers 2, 3, 4 seasons worth of entry fees, then F it. Win one and free roll the rest until you can rebuild again.
This is the whole point of leagues where you can trade future picks. It's always the decision between "Win Now or Win Later". Only a league full of complete idiots would try to always win it all every year and put their best into every single season.
I can't believe it took 22 years to figure that out.
This right here. Mr R founded his league 33 years ago. The league constitution includes "The Commishioner has the right to counter or rescind any deal deemed detrimental to the League. The League has the right to overrule the Commishioner by a simple majority vote that the Commishioner does not vote in." Stuff that is detrimental to the league just shouldn't be allowed.Willie Neslon said:The failure here is on the commissioner who's job is to protect the integrity of the league. This should have been handled as soon as the trade was executed.
We’re being nicer because Wikkid would have wanted us to.IKR
@Jaybee1200 this probably belongs in the Assistant Coach forum but tbh you wouldn’t get more than 1-2 responses. The less optimal solution would be to put it in The Shark Pool - you’d get more traffic and serious responses there.
Usually FF related topics get 99% snark responses here in the Free For All. Music, streaming entertainment, gaming, fitness, personal finance & of late, grieving, are generally hot topics here.
IDK what kind of Jedi mind trick you pulled today but serious kudos for eliciting thoughtful fantasy discussion in the FFA. This thread response is basically a unicorn, so congrats for that!
Say what?This is the whole point of leagues where you can trade future picks. It's always the decision between "Win Now or Win Later". Only a league full of complete idiots would try to always win it all every year and put their best into every single season.
Who are the keepers?By the way, if any of you are around ATL, free beer on me for all your help. Also, we have an opening in the league now...
Say what?
see the post about the 200 Point Club. Guy that finished 11th walked away with $4,000 because he never gave up. The Master's League is the greatest league of all time son! (except for this one son of a ##### that snuck out)There's no way all 12 teams should be in "win now" mode all season long. At some point owners should look to next year.
This. Both sides should have to commit to the following year fully for the trade to process.fruity pebbles said:Trade future picks, pay for that future year.
I would also make a rule then that if you trade away a future pick, the other team has to also give one in return so that everyone can draft a full team the next year. I would even set a formula for that return pick to be the round of the traded pick +4.he would not have done the trade because he would have so few players able to be drafted. He would literally end the draft with no picks in the first 3 rounds and 5 less draft picks than anyone else
Wow. That's a #### move. I take it there was no indication that the trade was unusual in any way? Can you provide a description of it?no, no one knew until after the season was over and after he received his check...
They aren't. They are in win mode during the draft. By about week 6-8, it generally becomes clear who will contend this year. Our trade deadline is Dec 1st.There's no way all 12 teams should be in "win now" mode all season long. At some point owners should look to next year.
Not necessary. Everyone in our league who does not have a complete roster drafts those picks at the end. Sometimes people will finish their draft in round 7 or 8 in a 13 round draft.I would also make a rule then that if you trade away a future pick, the other team has to also give one in return so that everyone can draft a full team the next year. I would even set a formula for that return pick to be the round of the traded pick +4.
For sure, I just think it helps retain some competitive balance if the team getting an extra 1st does have to sacrifice something like a 4th or 5th round pick in the deal. Helps retain a little balance.Not necessary. Everyone in our league who does not have a complete roster drafts those picks at the end. Sometimes people will finish their draft in round 7 or 8 in a 13 round draft.
We've never had a problem with that.For sure, I just think it helps retain some competitive balance if the team getting an extra 1st does have to sacrifice something like a 4th or 5th round pick in the deal. Helps retain a little balance.
Not saying it's the right way to do it necessarily. Just offering suggestions on how to prevent or hedge against the issue the OP laid out.We've never had a problem with that.
But the 200 point club!They aren't. They are in win mode during the draft. By about week 6-8, it generally becomes clear who will contend this year. Our trade deadline is Dec 1st.
it's da feces yo! stuff be straight up intense. We had someone come within 2-3 points a few years ago. Everyone was cheering against him so that the pot stayed huge.It sounds pretty cool to me.
First post. /end thread.fruity pebbles said:Trade future picks, pay for that future year.
But that's not what you said:There's no way all 12 teams should be in "win now" mode all season long. At some point owners should look to next year.
The best response yet... this is close to what I had came up with. Our entry fee is around $500 (it goes up slowly overtime but nothing dramatic). We have some cheap bastards in our league so I was going to say if you want to do a trade involving picks from future years then you have to pay $300, but that $300 would count towards your entry fee for that next year. So if I trade away my 4th round pick for next year, I have to pay $300 before the trade goes through, BUT, that means I only have to pay $200 the next year.I havent read the thread—but it seems simple. You need to be prepaid for next season before you are allowed to trade next seasons picks. If the team trading away or receiving next seasons picks are not prepaid for next year—the trade is nullified.
This may or may not solve the issue though depending on how much the league winner gets. For example's sake if they get like 5k for winning the league then $500 isn't going to be a major deterrent. I would probably limit the amount of draft picks you can trade for the next year. Don't let a situation where a team can trade multiple high level picks.The best response yet... this is close to what I had came up with. Our entry fee is around $500 (it goes up slowly overtime but nothing dramatic). We have some cheap bastards in our league so I was going to say if you want to do a trade involving picks from future years then you have to pay $300, but that $300 would count towards your entry fee for that next year. So if I trade away my 4th round pick for next year, I have to pay $300 before the trade goes through, BUT, that means I only have to pay $200 the next year.
My dynasty league has done this for years without issue. We do, though, have a trade committee to review trades and would have vetoed this sort of thing if we knew the owner was leaving.Chemical X said:you can’t trade draft picks in future years while the season is ongoing. seems like a rookie move.
Oh wait, this is a redraft?? Yeah, that's silly.MTskibum said:This is my thought, why not do this every other year. Just tank every other year and then go all in every other year.
I do not think future picks should be traded in a redraft league.
no one knew he was leaving, and the trades themselves were not inherently badMy dynasty league has done this for years without issue. We do, though, have a trade committee to review trades and would have vetoed this sort of thing if we knew the owner was leaving.
I just read it is a redraft.no one knew he was leaving, and the trades themselves were not inherently bad
I was in a now-defunct league that had something like that. We had 3 keepers per team. If you traded away a draft pick for next year, you had to pay an advance on next year’s fee depending on what round it was in order for the trade to go through. It was the entire fee if the pick was in the first 5 rounds, and went down from there.Jaybee1200 said:The best response yet... this is close to what I had came up with. Our entry fee is around $500 (it goes up slowly overtime but nothing dramatic). We have some cheap bastards in our league so I was going to say if you want to do a trade involving picks from future years then you have to pay $300, but that $300 would count towards your entry fee for that next year. So if I trade away my 4th round pick for next year, I have to pay $300 before the trade goes through, BUT, that means I only have to pay $200 the next year.