What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

LeGarrette Blount named #1 back for preseason opener (1 Viewer)

Badgers Fan

Footballguy
LeGarrette Blount, and not rookie Doug Martin, is the No. 1 running back on the Bucs' first preseason depth chart.

It means little other than the fact that hard-nosed coach Greg Schiano isn't ready to name a rookie a starter before he plays so much as a preseason snap. Martin has dominated first-team reps in camp, and there's no reason to believe Blount has cured his ball-security woes or improved his pass protection. It wouldn't be surprising if the chart was updated soon after Friday's exhibition debut. We fully expect Martin to dominate touches and be the Bucs' top back.

-rotoworld.com

So how does this affect Martin? Personally, I thought all along Blount would have some kind of role, more than an average back-up. However, even though Martin has had a strong off-season, and is probably a better fit for this team and coach, he's still listed as #2. I think he will be the starter sooner rather than later, but this is something to monitor.

 
It means that Martin's ADP will most likely drop making him an even better value than he currently is.

Blount's ADP is so low that he has value too, but if it rises a lot due to this news, that might change.

 
Martin will be the #1 RB. This is the coach's way of motivating the rookie. Blount had his chance and blew it.

 
Martin will be the #1 RB. This is the coach's way of motivating the rookie. Blount had his chance and blew it.
yes the new coaching staff drafted a 1st round rookie, but how exactly did Blount "blow it" with the new coaching staff?
As far as I know he hasn't blown it with the current staff, but last year he was consistently late for everything, was prone to fall asleep during meetings, and was just an overall clown. So far this year he seems to be more motivated, but it will take a lot more time to prove to me that he's corrected his attitude and behavior.
 
'butcher boy said:
'ninerfanatic492000 said:
'ponchsox said:
Martin will be the #1 RB. This is the coach's way of motivating the rookie. Blount had his chance and blew it.
yes the new coaching staff drafted a 1st round rookie, but how exactly did Blount "blow it" with the new coaching staff?
As far as I know he hasn't blown it with the current staff, but last year he was consistently late for everything, was prone to fall asleep during meetings, and was just an overall clown. So far this year he seems to be more motivated, but it will take a lot more time to prove to me that he's corrected his attitude and behavior.
He doesn't have to convince you. He has to convince the coach.He's doing something right by being named starter for game 1. That fluff piece about last year was worth less than the hard drive it was stored on. None of that matters now. He didn't blow off the current coaching staff. He didn't fall asleep during meetings with this crew. PRobably got a a pretty nice talking to day one saying, "I heard about that BS you pulled with the last guys. Pull that here and you are gone. STep out of line once and you are gone. In fact, we're drafting RB high so expect to be cut or ride the pine."
 
It gives respect to the veteran and lets him know he's got a chance, hence motivation. The rookie isn't going to get bent out of shape about it and it puts the thought in his mind that they aren't necessarily going to automatically hand him the starting job. Even if none of that is true it at least plays some mind games and has got to be advantageous as far as motivating both.

 
'butcher boy said:
'ninerfanatic492000 said:
'ponchsox said:
Martin will be the #1 RB. This is the coach's way of motivating the rookie. Blount had his chance and blew it.
yes the new coaching staff drafted a 1st round rookie, but how exactly did Blount "blow it" with the new coaching staff?
As far as I know he hasn't blown it with the current staff, but last year he was consistently late for everything, was prone to fall asleep during meetings, and was just an overall clown. So far this year he seems to be more motivated, but it will take a lot more time to prove to me that he's corrected his attitude and behavior.
He doesn't have to convince you. He has to convince the coach.He's doing something right by being named starter for game 1. That fluff piece about last year was worth less than the hard drive it was stored on. None of that matters now. He didn't blow off the current coaching staff. He didn't fall asleep during meetings with this crew. PRobably got a a pretty nice talking to day one saying, "I heard about that BS you pulled with the last guys. Pull that here and you are gone. STep out of line once and you are gone. In fact, we're drafting RB high so expect to be cut or ride the pine."
No, he has to convince me in order for me to draft him. I agree that so far this year, he's on the right track. I just have doubts he'll keep it up is all. Bad habits can be hard to break.
 
he has the ability to be a top 10 RB FFL wise. I think TB would will be looking to roll with the hot hand, or legs, in this case. If he stumbles, play Martin more, if he is a stud, let him be one, win games, then if you know Martin can be the man, trade Blount if he is still under contract.

I know one team in pittsburgh that after this year will be looking for a #1 RB.

 
'butcher boy said:
'ninerfanatic492000 said:
'ponchsox said:
Martin will be the #1 RB. This is the coach's way of motivating the rookie. Blount had his chance and blew it.
yes the new coaching staff drafted a 1st round rookie, but how exactly did Blount "blow it" with the new coaching staff?
As far as I know he hasn't blown it with the current staff, but last year he was consistently late for everything, was prone to fall asleep during meetings, and was just an overall clown. So far this year he seems to be more motivated, but it will take a lot more time to prove to me that he's corrected his attitude and behavior.
He doesn't have to convince you. He has to convince the coach.He's doing something right by being named starter for game 1. That fluff piece about last year was worth less than the hard drive it was stored on. None of that matters now. He didn't blow off the current coaching staff. He didn't fall asleep during meetings with this crew. PRobably got a a pretty nice talking to day one saying, "I heard about that BS you pulled with the last guys. Pull that here and you are gone. STep out of line once and you are gone. In fact, we're drafting RB high so expect to be cut or ride the pine."
No, he has to convince me in order for me to draft him. I agree that so far this year, he's on the right track. I just have doubts he'll keep it up is all. Bad habits can be hard to break.
Wouldn't he have to convince the coach first? So far, he seems to be doing that... Not saying he won't punch Schiano right in the face on national television first chance he gets, but so far, he seems to be flying right....
 
'butcher boy said:
'ninerfanatic492000 said:
'ponchsox said:
Martin will be the #1 RB. This is the coach's way of motivating the rookie. Blount had his chance and blew it.
yes the new coaching staff drafted a 1st round rookie, but how exactly did Blount "blow it" with the new coaching staff?
As far as I know he hasn't blown it with the current staff, but last year he was consistently late for everything, was prone to fall asleep during meetings, and was just an overall clown. So far this year he seems to be more motivated, but it will take a lot more time to prove to me that he's corrected his attitude and behavior.
He doesn't have to convince you. He has to convince the coach.He's doing something right by being named starter for game 1. That fluff piece about last year was worth less than the hard drive it was stored on. None of that matters now. He didn't blow off the current coaching staff. He didn't fall asleep during meetings with this crew. PRobably got a a pretty nice talking to day one saying, "I heard about that BS you pulled with the last guys. Pull that here and you are gone. STep out of line once and you are gone. In fact, we're drafting RB high so expect to be cut or ride the pine."
No, he has to convince me in order for me to draft him. I agree that so far this year, he's on the right track. I just have doubts he'll keep it up is all. Bad habits can be hard to break.
Wouldn't he have to convince the coach first? So far, he seems to be doing that... Not saying he won't punch Schiano right in the face on national television first chance he gets, but so far, he seems to be flying right....
I don't disagree with any of this. Yeah, he has the coaches convinced right now. I just have doubts that he'll keep it up going forward. It's not like his problems were just a one year deal last year. If he somehow has turned over a new leaf, he's probably close to being the steal of the draft.
 
Coach Greg Schiano cautioned Tuesday not to put much stock in the team's initial training camp depth chart."We released a depth chart, strictly because it's league mandated, I guess, so we did it," Schiano said. "I wouldn't read too much into it right now." The Bucs website concedes the listing of LeGarrette Blount ahead of rookie Doug Martin doesn't mean "a whole lot." Martin took the bulk of the first-team reps in Tuesday's practice. -Rotoworld
 
It's harder than you think to bench a guy who can average 5.0 ypc in the NFL.

Blount may have done some immature things pre-2012, but even when he was undisciplined he was a dangerous player on the field. Unless Martin is truly a stud, I doubt he outperforms Blount this year.

 
It's harder than you think to bench a guy who can average 5.0 ypc in the NFL. Blount may have done some immature things pre-2012, but even when he was undisciplined he was a dangerous player on the field. Unless Martin is truly a stud, I doubt he outperforms Blount this year.
And what could he do now that he is properly motivated? Bucs have a very good problem/situation developing in their backfield
 
without looking for exact figure, i think blount played less than half the snaps last season when he was "the guy"... without another decent RB on the roster. now they have a complete back in martin who can do everything blount can do, but much MUCH better and can actually successfully play all three downs. i just don't see how blount can keep him off the field... even if blount gets the same amount of carries as last season he was a waste of a pick then and will continue to be imo. people who continue to defend blount likely missed out on martin and are in denial now.

really, martin continues to get first team reps in camp and the talk of camp says he looks better than blount, i don't think there's any reason to take the depth chart seriously at this point, even schiano has said "I wouldn't read too much into the depth chart".

again, blount just isn't talented enough to keep martin off the field.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Sounds like Helu"s situation from last year. I'll pass on Martin and Blount and let someone else speculate, right now it's a bad move. I will be waiting for Martin to get dropped mid season.

 
I don't really think there's anything to see here at all. What matters is how they perform in the games and practices from here on out...who's listed where will take care of itself based on their play. They'll both get their opportunities and the way I see it is that I don't expect Blount to disappear from the equation but he really needs to wow the new staff and become a good receiver, become a good blocker and increase his ball security. I'm skeptical that it will happen and if he can't his days are numbered outside of situational running. If the only thing you can do is run the ball when you are on the field you tip your hand too much to the defense which is why teams all want backs that can catch the ball as well.

From what I've heard most of the accolades are going Martin's way so far and he'll have to show that he can block, receive and run. Sounds like so far so good for Martin and he's still got work to do but this race is FAR from over and I expect once week 1 rolls around that Martin will be one with the most touches. It's a new regime who moved up and got their man...it's just a matter of time.

BTW...I don't hate Blount at all as I picked him up a couple years ago and rode him but dealt him last year due to his one dimensional game.

 
i do not really trust anyone on that team they quit on there old coach and i do not care how bad he was you do not do that and my dad used to tell me this he said the funny thing about quitting is that when you quit the first time it is pretty hard but once you quit that first time it is even easier the second time and it just keeps on getting easier and easier until you wake up one day and you are a quitter and everyone knows you are a quitter and you are no good to anyone so i guess good luck if you trust these guys they might fly high when they are winning but throw a little adversity at them and bam i predict that they will give up and start yelling at each other to style no good no good no good take that to the bank brohans

 
now they have a complete back in martin who can do everything blount can do, but much MUCH better and can actually successfully play all three downs. i just don't see how blount can keep him off the field...again, blount just isn't talented enough to keep martin off the field.
Just assuming all this right out of the gate, eh?Blount doesn't suck. He's apparently a lazy jack-hole, and he hasn't been very versatile, but with the football under his arm he's actually pretty good. What he's accomplished the past two years (66.2 rushing yards / game @ 4.6 YPC), in a pretty rough situation for a RB, shouldn't be disregarded like this. We have no idea if Martin can even play yet (he's not a "no brainer" type prospect at all), and to assume that he'll plant the established, successful starter on the bench from the start is a mistake. Most likely outcome by far is RBBC with Blount in short yardage and Martin on 3rd down.
even if blount gets the same amount of carries as last season he was a waste of a pick then and will continue to be imo.
This makes zero sense. Blount is going off the board as RB43, and last year finished as RB29. That would make him good value.
 
It's harder than you think to bench a guy who can average 5.0 ypc in the NFL. Blount may have done some immature things pre-2012, but even when he was undisciplined he was a dangerous player on the field. Unless Martin is truly a stud, I doubt he outperforms Blount this year.
You're on.this is why they drafted Martin in the 1st:2011 - 184att 781yds 4.2avg 5tdAlso Blount is a bad receiver. Martin is a stud in this offense.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
The NFL and the teams within it have evolved. The "#1 back" moniker doesn't really apply to too many teams anymore. This situation mirrors that evolution. Both of these players are going to touch the football. It's asinine to argue otherwise. Project their numbers and draft accordingly.

I've seen LeGarrette Blount play in the NFL, and he most certainly can get the job done. The guys saying he isn't in the same league as Doug Martin probably drafted Martin and want him to get 350 carries and 50 receptions. It's not happening. Blount is a cheap option, a proven player, and the Bucs don't have much depth after him and Martin. He's not going away.

The reports on Martin are great right now. I love hearing them as a Buc fan. Having Blount play an effective role in addition is going to be great for the team as a whole. They're going to be an excellent 1 2 punch behind this line.

This conversation/argument happens every year when a team drafts a young RB early. We'll learn our lesson one of these days.

 
It's harder than you think to bench a guy who can average 5.0 ypc in the NFL. Blount may have done some immature things pre-2012, but even when he was undisciplined he was a dangerous player on the field. Unless Martin is truly a stud, I doubt he outperforms Blount this year.
You're on.this is why they drafted Martin in the 1st:2011 - 184att 781yds 4.2avg 5tdAlso Blount is a bad receiver. Martin is a stud in this offense.
The entire team was a complete wreck in 2011. I wouldn't put too much stock in that performance. Blount had 1,007 yards and averaged 5.0 yards per carry as a rookie. He's made some electric runs in the NFL. You don't do that without talent.He also had 15 receptions for 148 yards last year. He's not as poor of a receiver as everyone thinks he is.
 
There are plenty of examples of this every year where rookies are not in their planned depth chart spot to start preseason. This is a non-issue and a non-story. Both players are going to get a ton of work, im thinking like 240 carries for martin and 175 for blount. What makes Martin the no-brainer over blount in fantasy is that hes going to catch a lot more balls. Blount right now is probably a value at his current ADP, but he doesnt have much upside without a martin injury or choke job. He will be an inconsistent flex play at best.

 
The NFL and the teams within it have evolved. The "#1 back" moniker doesn't really apply to too many teams anymore. This situation mirrors that evolution. Both of these players are going to touch the football. It's asinine to argue otherwise. Project their numbers and draft accordingly. I've seen LeGarrette Blount play in the NFL, and he most certainly can get the job done. The guys saying he isn't in the same league as Doug Martin probably drafted Martin and want him to get 350 carries and 50 receptions. It's not happening. Blount is a cheap option, a proven player, and the Bucs don't have much depth after him and Martin. He's not going away.The reports on Martin are great right now. I love hearing them as a Buc fan. Having Blount play an effective role in addition is going to be great for the team as a whole. They're going to be an excellent 1 2 punch behind this line. This conversation/argument happens every year when a team drafts a young RB early. We'll learn our lesson one of these days.
:goodposting: I'm really not sure why so many people are trying to write off Blount so quickly here. Part of me thinks it's because they dont like him due to his ##### personality and actions. The other part just thinks they drafted Martin and want to see Martin get all the touches. Well I drafted Martin too and would ve for that to be the case. Here's the problem, I too have seen Blount runin the NFL. Guess what, he can get the job done done. Call him lazy, call him a jerk, call him an immature overpaid baby. All of those things would be true. But it's undeniable that the guy can run the football at a high enough level to start in the NFL. I just can't see ant way he goes away. On top of that, I see him as an ideal handcuff to Martin if the lprice is right. So I recently traded a 3rd in dynasty for Blount. It helps me insure my Martin investment and not stress out over who will be starting.
 
The NFL and the teams within it have evolved. The "#1 back" moniker doesn't really apply to too many teams anymore. This situation mirrors that evolution. Both of these players are going to touch the football. It's asinine to argue otherwise. Project their numbers and draft accordingly. I've seen LeGarrette Blount play in the NFL, and he most certainly can get the job done. The guys saying he isn't in the same league as Doug Martin probably drafted Martin and want him to get 350 carries and 50 receptions. It's not happening. Blount is a cheap option, a proven player, and the Bucs don't have much depth after him and Martin. He's not going away.The reports on Martin are great right now. I love hearing them as a Buc fan. Having Blount play an effective role in addition is going to be great for the team as a whole. They're going to be an excellent 1 2 punch behind this line. This conversation/argument happens every year when a team drafts a young RB early. We'll learn our lesson one of these days.
:goodposting: I'm really not sure why so many people are trying to write off Blount so quickly here. Part of me thinks it's because they dont like him due to his ##### personality and actions. The other part just thinks they drafted Martin and want to see Martin get all the touches. Well I drafted Martin too and would ve for that to be the case. Here's the problem, I too have seen Blount runin the NFL. Guess what, he can get the job done done. Call him lazy, call him a jerk, call him an immature overpaid baby. All of those things would be true. But it's undeniable that the guy can run the football at a high enough level to start in the NFL. I just can't see ant way he goes away. On top of that, I see him as an ideal handcuff to Martin if the lprice is right. So I recently traded a 3rd in dynasty for Blount. It helps me insure my Martin investment and not stress out over who will be starting.
they are writting him off because the new coaching staff/front office traded back into the first round and took a young RB. Now granted, he's a rookie and has to earn his time and pick up blocking scheme's etc, and the Bucs had nothing behind Blount.Dynasty speaking Martin is the guy, re-draft martin is still the guy with an asterisk, beware of Blount stealing touches and possibly the all important goalline due to being more of a bruiser.
 
I drafted Martin earlier than most, feel he will see more touches than Blount.

I could see Martin getting something like 250 carries, another 40+ receptions, close to 300 touches and Blount still gets his fair share of touches and goal line work if needed.

Bucs signed Carl Nicks, they have upgraded the interior of the OL big time now. i expect Schiano to have a healthy does of runs, probably 30-35 per game, sometimes 40 if he can get away with it.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
now they have a complete back in martin who can do everything blount can do, but much MUCH better and can actually successfully play all three downs. i just don't see how blount can keep him off the field...again, blount just isn't talented enough to keep martin off the field.
Just assuming all this right out of the gate, eh?Blount doesn't suck. He's apparently a lazy jack-hole, and he hasn't been very versatile, but with the football under his arm he's actually pretty good. What he's accomplished the past two years (66.2 rushing yards / game @ 4.6 YPC), in a pretty rough situation for a RB, shouldn't be disregarded like this. We have no idea if Martin can even play yet (he's not a "no brainer" type prospect at all), and to assume that he'll plant the established, successful starter on the bench from the start is a mistake. Most likely outcome by far is RBBC with Blount in short yardage and Martin on 3rd down.
even if blount gets the same amount of carries as last season he was a waste of a pick then and will continue to be imo.
This makes zero sense. Blount is going off the board as RB43, and last year finished as RB29. That would make him good value.
i am assuming martin is better than blount based on talent. with blount i see a one dimensional bruiser who can only run in one direction, loses costly fumbles, and catches passes that don't bounce off his stone hands. he couldn't keep earnest graham off the field... blount, last season was drafted as RB15... people were (like some still are) expecting big things, yet he finished as an RB30-40 depending on the league (nonppr/ppr). value? i think not... waste of a pick is pretty harsh, i admit. but damned if i'd draft him.
 
What makes Martin the no-brainer over blount in fantasy is that hes going to catch a lot more balls.
Given their current ADPs (RB20 for Martin vs RB43 for Blount) Blount is the no-brainer and Martin is a guy to avoid.
RB43 seems about right... that's about 5-10 spots from where he ended up last season, how does that make him a no brainer?? he failed to live up to expectations last season, why should be expect him to meet or exceed them this season when they actually have a talented back on the roster with him!?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
The NFL and the teams within it have evolved. The "#1 back" moniker doesn't really apply to too many teams anymore. This situation mirrors that evolution. Both of these players are going to touch the football. It's asinine to argue otherwise. Project their numbers and draft accordingly. I've seen LeGarrette Blount play in the NFL, and he most certainly can get the job done. The guys saying he isn't in the same league as Doug Martin probably drafted Martin and want him to get 350 carries and 50 receptions. It's not happening. Blount is a cheap option, a proven player, and the Bucs don't have much depth after him and Martin. He's not going away.The reports on Martin are great right now. I love hearing them as a Buc fan. Having Blount play an effective role in addition is going to be great for the team as a whole. They're going to be an excellent 1 2 punch behind this line. This conversation/argument happens every year when a team drafts a young RB early. We'll learn our lesson one of these days.
:goodposting: I'm really not sure why so many people are trying to write off Blount so quickly here. Part of me thinks it's because they dont like him due to his ##### personality and actions. The other part just thinks they drafted Martin and want to see Martin get all the touches. Well I drafted Martin too and would ve for that to be the case. Here's the problem, I too have seen Blount runin the NFL. Guess what, he can get the job done done. Call him lazy, call him a jerk, call him an immature overpaid baby. All of those things would be true. But it's undeniable that the guy can run the football at a high enough level to start in the NFL. I just can't see ant way he goes away. On top of that, I see him as an ideal handcuff to Martin if the lprice is right. So I recently traded a 3rd in dynasty for Blount. It helps me insure my Martin investment and not stress out over who will be starting.
last season blount had the opportunity to be "the guy" and had no one on the team behind him worth a damn... yet he still only received half the carries and failed to meet expectations. when a team turns around and drafts a talented and promising RB in the first round, it means something imo. hell, to me, michael smith is a more talented back than blount and should be vying for playing time ahead of him this season too.as far as blount goes... fool me once, shame on me... fool me twice? not a chance. let someone else draft him.
 
What makes Martin the no-brainer over blount in fantasy is that hes going to catch a lot more balls.
Given their current ADPs (RB20 for Martin vs RB43 for Blount) Blount is the no-brainer and Martin is a guy to avoid.
Not if Martin's floor is RB15...
I see someone's been sipping the rookie kool aid pretty heavily. So, a floor of RB15 on a team that was last in rushing attempts and 30th in yards last year? That right?
 
What makes Martin the no-brainer over blount in fantasy is that hes going to catch a lot more balls.
Given their current ADPs (RB20 for Martin vs RB43 for Blount) Blount is the no-brainer and Martin is a guy to avoid.
Not if Martin's floor is RB15...
I see someone's been sipping the rookie kool aid pretty heavily. So, a floor of RB15 on a team that was last in rushing attempts and 30th in yards last year? That right?
blount being "the guy" and them being last in attempts / yards ... coincidence? :no:
 
Last edited by a moderator:
now they have a complete back in martin who can do everything blount can do, but much MUCH better and can actually successfully play all three downs. i just don't see how blount can keep him off the field...again, blount just isn't talented enough to keep martin off the field.
Just assuming all this right out of the gate, eh?Blount doesn't suck. He's apparently a lazy jack-hole, and he hasn't been very versatile, but with the football under his arm he's actually pretty good. What he's accomplished the past two years (66.2 rushing yards / game @ 4.6 YPC), in a pretty rough situation for a RB, shouldn't be disregarded like this. We have no idea if Martin can even play yet (he's not a "no brainer" type prospect at all), and to assume that he'll plant the established, successful starter on the bench from the start is a mistake. Most likely outcome by far is RBBC with Blount in short yardage and Martin on 3rd down.
even if blount gets the same amount of carries as last season he was a waste of a pick then and will continue to be imo.
This makes zero sense. Blount is going off the board as RB43, and last year finished as RB29. That would make him good value.
i am assuming martin is better than blount based on talent. with blount i see a one dimensional bruiser who can only run in one direction, loses costly fumbles, and catches passes that don't bounce off his stone hands. he couldn't keep earnest graham off the field... blount, last season was drafted as RB15... people were (like some still are) expecting big things, yet he finished as an RB30-40 depending on the league (nonppr/ppr). value? i think not... waste of a pick is pretty harsh, i admit. but damned if i'd draft him.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure no one is expecting "big things" from Blount. That's why you can draft him as your RB4 or RB5, which is realistically his floor. At that price, anything above 600 - 700 YFS and a handful of TDs is pure gravy.BTW, fantasy disappointment last year <> sucks in NFL terms. You might want to wait until Martin actually logs an NFL carry before putting him on a different level than a guy who has actually proven over two seasons that he can hang in the NFL.
 
blount being "the guy" and them being last in attempts / yards ... coincidence? :no:
There were far more factors than just Legarrette Blount leading to Tampa's issues in 2011. Blount had 294 yards rushing and 3 TDs in the first four games of the season before spraining his MCL against SF in week 5. I'm not sure it was a coincedence that Blount's injury coincided with this team's losing streak.

The team completely fell apart after that game in SF, losing the rest of their matchups. Blount missed two games after the injury, and he was abysmal in the last 3 games of the season.

In between he had 3 nice games. The epic run against GB (a game TB almost won), 103 yards against Tennessee, and 74 yards in addition to a TD against a really tough Jacksonville run defense.

Keep in mind that this team was getting absolutely blown out every single week. You're overlooking some important factors as to why Blount could have some success this season.

 
blount being "the guy" and them being last in attempts / yards ... coincidence? :no:
There were far more factors than just Legarrette Blount leading to Tampa's issues in 2011. Blount had 294 yards rushing and 3 TDs in the first four games of the season before spraining his MCL against SF in week 5. I'm not sure it was a coincedence that Blount's injury coincided with this team's losing streak.

The team completely fell apart after that game in SF, losing the rest of their matchups. Blount missed two games after the injury, and he was abysmal in the last 3 games of the season.

In between he had 3 nice games. The epic run against GB (a game TB almost won), 103 yards against Tennessee, and 74 yards in addition to a TD against a really tough Jacksonville run defense.

Keep in mind that this team was getting absolutely blown out every single week. You're overlooking some important factors as to why Blount could have some success this season.
sugar coat it all you want, i was just saying the lack of a run game had something to do with their failures last season.
 
i dont get why everyone assumes blount will be the short yardage back. he has been pretty bad in that scenario for his first 2 yrs despite his size and power. he lacks decisiveness it seems. in fact his rookie year the coach publicly refused to use him in those spots despite his otherwise breakout performing.

anyway, he is a pretty good back at running the ball especially when he gets to the 2nd level where his strength and agility make him a nightmare for lbs and esp safeties. i think the bucks would be foolish not to give him a few series per half.

 
It's harder than you think to bench a guy who can average 5.0 ypc in the NFL.

Blount may have done some immature things pre-2012, but even when he was undisciplined he was a dangerous player on the field. Unless Martin is truly a stud, I doubt he outperforms Blount this year.
You're on.this is why they drafted Martin in the 1st:

2011 - 184att 781yds 4.2avg 5td

Also Blount is a bad receiver. Martin is a stud in this offense.
Help me with the bolded...what offense is this? Who is running it and what can we expect to see? I really don't know...

 
'werdnoynek said:
'Grahamburn said:
'werdnoynek said:
blount being "the guy" and them being last in attempts / yards ... coincidence? :no:
There were far more factors than just Legarrette Blount leading to Tampa's issues in 2011. Blount had 294 yards rushing and 3 TDs in the first four games of the season before spraining his MCL against SF in week 5. I'm not sure it was a coincedence that Blount's injury coincided with this team's losing streak.

The team completely fell apart after that game in SF, losing the rest of their matchups. Blount missed two games after the injury, and he was abysmal in the last 3 games of the season.

In between he had 3 nice games. The epic run against GB (a game TB almost won), 103 yards against Tennessee, and 74 yards in addition to a TD against a really tough Jacksonville run defense.

Keep in mind that this team was getting absolutely blown out every single week. You're overlooking some important factors as to why Blount could have some success this season.
sugar coat it all you want, i was just saying the lack of a run game had something to do with their failures last season.
How is that sugar coating? Those were facts. Is there ANY team that sticks with the run when down 14 points? Josh Freeman was HORRID last year. The WR core was HORRID as well. Two years ago, Blount signed with Tampa and put up some surprisingly good numbers when Freeman/Mike Williams/Kellen Winslow was clicking and the Defense was keeping them in games. You can call Blount what you want, but to look solely on last year and blame him for the whole mess after getting a glimpse of what he was capable of with ZERO training camp and a brand new playbook would be foolish if you ask me. If the offense gets back to clicking and opens up room to run, I could see this being a 60/40 share with Martin taking the larger load.
 
The amount of hyperbole in this thread is unbelievable, both AGAINST Blount and FOR Martin.

This forum is host to some members/posters who are supposed to be some of the finest minds in the hobby. It's a shame when personal interests and unfounded opinions get in the way of thoughtful and considerate fact-based analysis. At times there seems to be a need for some threads to refocus on what IS, rather than what we wish WAS.

Up until the point that Doug Martin lines up behind Josh Freeman sometime after 4:25 PM on Sunday, September 9th vs the Panthers, in a game that actually means something and counts in the Regular Season standings, comparing Blount to Martin is akin to comparing apples to oranges. Blount has a verifiable developing NFL body of work, at least.

It IS kind of amusing that Martin is a Boise State alumnus, considering the issues Blount had stemming from the unfortunate incident which occured during the Oregon U. game against that very team...

Say what you will about Blount, Doug Martin has done neither of these things...yet.

As a high school and college football player, Martin & Blount are fairly comparable RB's, and this is verifiable, looking at their pre-draft bios readily available online to anyone who wants to look at them. Based on those, they both have earned a deserved opportunity to showcase their skills at football's highest level, the NFL, albeit by different channels.

Blount is one of several NFL players who have had behavioral issues. Plenty of them have had plenty of success in the NFL, and logged plenty of fantasy points.

Everyone taking an anti-Blount stance ought to read his wikipedia page, and some of the associated links to gain some insight on him, rather than just making generalizations based on opinions. To me, he looks like a kid who's been confronted by some pretty big hurdles his entire football career, and has done pretty well for himself, and appears to respond pretty well to structure, discipline and positional competition when it's been imposed on him. From that, one safe assumption that I'm going to make about Blount and his current situation with the Bucs under new Coach Schiano, is that the likelihood of responding well to the situation he now finds himself in is favorable. His history alludes to the idea that when the pressure is on him to deliver, and he's kept on a tight leash with his position in jeopardy as it is now, he responds well. He appears to be doing just that.

Some other facts to consider. Outside of Blount, the RB cupboard was pretty bare in TB going into this Draft. To say they were compelled to add some RB depth to the roster is putting it mildly, no matter what Blount was/is capable of, and given the predilection of the new Coaching Staff to build their team around a strong running game, which comes with attrition costs to personnel. Regardless, it's just as important when building an RB stable to have skill-similar backups, as it is to have complimentary players, 'change of pace' type guys, if you will. If one wants to pick nits, I suppose one could technically argue that Martin actually FELL to the bottom of the 1st Round, and the Bucs moved up to take him when he was surprisingly still available. I scanned some of the pre-draft biographies available to anyone on line, and saw references to Martin also actually having issues with pass protection as well, for what it's worth. Certainly Martin's abilities as a receiver out of the backfield are acknowledged, but I don't seem to be finding much of anything analytical from folks who are paid professionals working with/for the NCAA and/or NFL that says that Blount is any tremendous liability as a receiver, outside of opinions from fantasy footballers. Martin has quality receiving skills on the collegiate level, and if those skills translate to the NFL level, he and Blount make for a nice tandem that we've seen plenty of Teams, who's primary concern is winning actual NFL games vs generating fantasy football statistics, employ effectively. That should mean good things for both backs.

The entire situation in TB has changed since last year, from the top down in the direction of discipline, accountability and competition. Based on historical data attributable to Blount, this should actually play in his favor.

It's very easy to spend a high Rookie Draft Pick on Doug Martin. At some point, it's absolutely compelling, just as the Bucs were likely compelled to make the move they did to acquire Martin. Once that investment has been made, it's tremendously important to many folks to be right. I think that feeds into some of what's going on in this thread. Plenty of folks likely expected a different outcome than the one that seems to be playing itself out in reality in Bucs camp right now. It happens every season. Of course, the Bucs have both guys on their Roster, so it's likely they're pleased as punch that the added competition seems to be bringing out the best in Blount at this time. Running the ball effectively is the cornerstone on which this offense is being built. It's conceivable that both RB's might have solid seasons.

When confronted with reality, it's helpful to be malleable and accept a developing situation for what it is, work with it, and find ways to use them to one's advantage, rather than steadfastly holding to a previous position that is no longer substantiated by what's actually going on. I think one of the best skills anyone can develop when it comes to fantasy sports is to be able to adjust on the fly. Maybe what's going on in Bucs camp right now is a tremendous opportunity to develop that skill?

I own Blount as a flex/bench player in a mid-stakes Dynasty League ($300/16 Teams), so I have an investment there...but I'm basing my optimism for him based on what he's accomplished in the past when confronted with similar circumstance/situation nore than anything else. So far, as far as I'm concerned, he's living right up to expectations.

The next set of facts up for evaluation will be available after 11 PM on Friday, August 10th. See you then!

 
'werdnoynek said:
'Grahamburn said:
'werdnoynek said:
blount being "the guy" and them being last in attempts / yards ... coincidence? :no:
There were far more factors than just Legarrette Blount leading to Tampa's issues in 2011. Blount had 294 yards rushing and 3 TDs in the first four games of the season before spraining his MCL against SF in week 5. I'm not sure it was a coincedence that Blount's injury coincided with this team's losing streak.

The team completely fell apart after that game in SF, losing the rest of their matchups. Blount missed two games after the injury, and he was abysmal in the last 3 games of the season.

In between he had 3 nice games. The epic run against GB (a game TB almost won), 103 yards against Tennessee, and 74 yards in addition to a TD against a really tough Jacksonville run defense.

Keep in mind that this team was getting absolutely blown out every single week. You're overlooking some important factors as to why Blount could have some success this season.
sugar coat it all you want, i was just saying the lack of a run game had something to do with their failures last season.
when you get served....just tuck tail and move on....don't call it sugar coating
 
'werdnoynek said:
'Grahamburn said:
'werdnoynek said:
blount being "the guy" and them being last in attempts / yards ... coincidence? :no:
There were far more factors than just Legarrette Blount leading to Tampa's issues in 2011. Blount had 294 yards rushing and 3 TDs in the first four games of the season before spraining his MCL against SF in week 5. I'm not sure it was a coincedence that Blount's injury coincided with this team's losing streak.

The team completely fell apart after that game in SF, losing the rest of their matchups. Blount missed two games after the injury, and he was abysmal in the last 3 games of the season.

In between he had 3 nice games. The epic run against GB (a game TB almost won), 103 yards against Tennessee, and 74 yards in addition to a TD against a really tough Jacksonville run defense.

Keep in mind that this team was getting absolutely blown out every single week. You're overlooking some important factors as to why Blount could have some success this season.
sugar coat it all you want, i was just saying the lack of a run game had something to do with their failures last season.
when you get served....just tuck tail and move on....don't call it sugar coating
:goodposting:
 
'werdnoynek said:
'Grahamburn said:
'werdnoynek said:
blount being "the guy" and them being last in attempts / yards ... coincidence? :no:
There were far more factors than just Legarrette Blount leading to Tampa's issues in 2011. Blount had 294 yards rushing and 3 TDs in the first four games of the season before spraining his MCL against SF in week 5. I'm not sure it was a coincedence that Blount's injury coincided with this team's losing streak.

The team completely fell apart after that game in SF, losing the rest of their matchups. Blount missed two games after the injury, and he was abysmal in the last 3 games of the season.

In between he had 3 nice games. The epic run against GB (a game TB almost won), 103 yards against Tennessee, and 74 yards in addition to a TD against a really tough Jacksonville run defense.

Keep in mind that this team was getting absolutely blown out every single week. You're overlooking some important factors as to why Blount could have some success this season.
sugar coat it all you want, i was just saying the lack of a run game had something to do with their failures last season.
when you get served....just tuck tail and move on....don't call it sugar coating
hardly getting served... i call a turd a turd. some are prettier than others but they're still turds. sure, blount had some decent games but he is not and will never be a special running back.ETA: i'm not saying he wont have his success. he may get some 1&2 down carries and perhaps some goal line work if he can show he can hold onto the ball... but i'd say a brandon jacobs role is his ceiling from what he's shown thus far in his career. if he's around RB43 or whatever was said above... he's getting taken in the 9-10th round or so. i'd rather take someone with more upside there than blount, who has very little. to put this in perspective - dexter mccluster outscored blount in ppr last season when blount was "the guy"... :lmao:

 
Last edited by a moderator:
For a guy who didn't get owned, you're backpedaling quite a bit. We've gone from Blount being a wasted pick as RB43 and being responsible for the Bucs collapse, to Brandon Jacobs. At this rate you'll be taking Blount in the early third again by sometime this evening. :lol:

 
'Bigboy10182000 said:
'zadok said:
It's harder than you think to bench a guy who can average 5.0 ypc in the NFL.

Blount may have done some immature things pre-2012, but even when he was undisciplined he was a dangerous player on the field. Unless Martin is truly a stud, I doubt he outperforms Blount this year.
You're on.this is why they drafted Martin in the 1st:

2011 - 184att 781yds 4.2avg 5td

Also Blount is a bad receiver. Martin is a stud in this offense.
Help me with the bolded...what offense is this? Who is running it and what can we expect to see? I really don't know...
Greg Schiano's - see Rutgers 05-07 specifically. Martin = Ray Rice. pound, pound, pound, big pass. VJax = Kenny Britt also.http://www.pewterrep...7750:&Itemid=15

BTW, I'm not anti-Blount in any way, I love watching him. But it doesn't take a genius to read the tea leaves of a newly hired coach trading back into the 1st round for a RB that is a clone of your greatest pupil. Martin was drafted to start from day 1 and be the centerpiece.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
'Coeur de Lion said:
'zadok said:
'Coeur de Lion said:
'amicsta said:
What makes Martin the no-brainer over blount in fantasy is that hes going to catch a lot more balls.
Given their current ADPs (RB20 for Martin vs RB43 for Blount) Blount is the no-brainer and Martin is a guy to avoid.
Not if Martin's floor is RB15...
I see someone's been sipping the rookie kool aid pretty heavily. So, a floor of RB15 on a team that was last in rushing attempts and 30th in yards last year? That right?
Correct. And they brought in a ground and pound coach who hand picked his RB who can play all 3 downs.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top