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Lesean McCoy? How concerned are we? (3 Viewers)

When I see stories like this, I have to ask myself, which side would be more likely to be exaggerating the truth?

- The side saying he's out for a long time - Why would you say he's out longer than he is?

-The side saying he's not out for long - Why would they say he's NOT going to be out?

To me (a non-McCoy or Gillese owner), I tend to believe that the groups saying he won't be out for long has more to gain by exaggerating/lying.  Look at nearly every case of a reported injury to big-name players this year (Peterson, Dez, etc).  There were mixed reports that they could play THAT week, and others saying out for a while.  In every case, the player was out for a while.

 
Fat Nick said:
When I see stories like this, I have to ask myself, which side would be more likely to be exaggerating the truth?

- The side saying he's out for a long time - Why would you say he's out longer than he is?

-The side saying he's not out for long - Why would they say he's NOT going to be out?

To me (a non-McCoy or Gillese owner), I tend to believe that the groups saying he won't be out for long has more to gain by exaggerating/lying.  Look at nearly every case of a reported injury to big-name players this year (Peterson, Dez, etc).  There were mixed reports that they could play THAT week, and others saying out for a while.  In every case, the player was out for a while.
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This makes sense, and I tend to agree; but, this is the age of gonzo journalism and wanting to be first more than right. 

 
Chaka said:
The GTD report isn't surprising. Coaches don't want to tip their hand, even if everyone knows they are holding 7/2 off suit, and they know that everyone knows. They'll still try to spin it to "keep the other team guessing".

So while I don't have full faith in Anderson's report about him being out a few weeks, I would be very surprised if he plays this weekend.
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My feelings as well.

 
LeSean McCoy (hamstring) was present for the start of Friday's practice.

He stretched before practice, ran routes, and caught passes. It's notable as McCoy continues to push to play against the Dolphins. It sure sounds like he's going to be listed as questionable for the 1 PM ET start.
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:popcorn:
 
Buck Bradcanon said:
slim Shady!  Hotter than a set of twin babies!
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In a Mercedez Benz with the windows up when the temp goes up to the mid 80s.....

Anywho.  This is crazy.  

My biggest fear this week, other than him playing and fully blowing his hamstring, is that he's active, but not play much or be ineffective.

We'll see how it goes Sunday morning but the saga continues....

 
I think he plays. it'll be a pitch count, and Glee will see he bulk of touches, but Shady will play. 

Because that is the most messed up scenario possible, and Murphy's law applies here. 

 
For good measure Drew Rosenhaus has weighed in as well-

Appearing on WQAM 560 Miami on Friday, LeSean McCoy's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, said McCoy (hamstring) will be a game-time decision Week 7 against the Dolphins.
"I saw a report that he's out for the game. I don't think that's accurate. I think it's going to be a game-time decision," Rosenhaus said. "I'd be surprised if he wasn't listed as questionable. Either one (questionable or doubtful) would be fair." It sounds like the Bills may be willing to wait it out through the weekend and could let McCoy test the hamstring out in pre-game warmups. Either way, he's not going to be 100 percent, and Mike Gillislee will at least have an expanded role.
As much as they are trying to spin this his agent saying that listing him "questionable or doubtful"  would be fair would lead me to believe he's not playing this week.  

I'm headed into the weekend thinking he will not be available for me this week.

 
VaTerp said:
For good measure Drew Rosenhaus has weighed in as well-

Appearing on WQAM 560 Miami on Friday, LeSean McCoy's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, said McCoy (hamstring) will be a game-time decision Week 7 against the Dolphins.
"I saw a report that he's out for the game. I don't think that's accurate. I think it's going to be a game-time decision," Rosenhaus said. "I'd be surprised if he wasn't listed as questionable. Either one (questionable or doubtful) would be fair." It sounds like the Bills may be willing to wait it out through the weekend and could let McCoy test the hamstring out in pre-game warmups. Either way, he's not going to be 100 percent, and Mike Gillislee will at least have an expanded role.
As much as they are trying to spin this his agent saying that listing him "questionable or doubtful"  would be fair would lead me to believe he's not playing this week.  

I'm headed into the weekend thinking he will not be available for me this week.
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I just hope it is clear one way or the other. If he is questionable, then I think he's got a good chance to play. Remember questionable is now the new probable/questionable. A lot of players in questionable play.

I love that the ESPN ticker says he's already out when he's at practice. I don't trust anything from them anymore if other sources aren't in agreement. They are so far into the entertainment arena now that it is more about making news and ratings than being correct.

 
VaTerp said:
As much as they are trying to spin this his agent saying that listing him "questionable or doubtful"  would be fair would lead me to believe he's not playing this week.  

I'm headed into the weekend thinking he will not be available for me this week.
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It's all in the emphasis.

if you read Rosenhaus as saying "As much as they are trying to spin this his agent saying that listing him "questionable or doubtful" it sounds like he'll play. 

:lol:

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Yeah hes practing who cares what some bald chic from espn says
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Doesn't necessarily mean he will play. If it tightens up today or tomorrow, or there's a setback he could be out. He could also be held out as a precaution. He was reportedly not there at the beginning of practice, then he was seen at the facility and on video. That's the portion of practice that media has access to. It's possible that Rex had him out there just for that purpose but plan to hold him back. The cuts and moves he makes in practice aren't going to be as demanding as those in the game. So as a Bills fan and a McCoy owner in my leagues, I want to see him play but need for him to be healthy as well. In short: who knows.

 
stbugs said:
They are so far into the entertainment arena now that it is more about making news and ratings than being correct.
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After the Anderson report, NFL network actually went back to Ian Rappaport to ask him about the report from Anderson.

it was just comical - and clear that the network was trying to play up the disagreement between reporters. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
After the Anderson report, NFL network actually went back to Ian Rappaport to ask him about the report from Anderson.

it was just comical - and clear that the network was trying to play up the disagreement between reporters. 
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Don't have a favorite between the two reporters and personally I think Shady sits this week but the fact he was practicing in some fashion today would seem to indicate it's possible Anderson's report may not have been entirely on point. Based on the video I saw he didn't look like a guy who's going to be missing multiple weeks. 

 
stbugs said:
I just hope it is clear one way or the other. If he is questionable, then I think he's got a good chance to play. Remember questionable is now the new probable/questionable. A lot of players in questionable play.

I love that the ESPN ticker says he's already out when he's at practice. I don't trust anything from them anymore if other sources aren't in agreement. They are so far into the entertainment arena now that it is more about making news and ratings than being correct.
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My point is that if his agent is acknowledging that "doubftul" would be a fair designation then it doesnt sound to me that he's likely to play.

Hot Sauce Guy said:
It's all in the emphasis.

if you read Rosenhaus as saying "As much as they are trying to spin this his agent saying that listing him "questionable or doubtful" it sounds like he'll play. 

:lol:
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You lost me here.

With everything that is swirling out there, again, I just don't see it as a good sign for his availability that his agent is acknowledging on Friday that a "doubtful" status would be "fair."

 
VaTerp said:
You lost me here.

With everything that is swirling out there, again, I just don't see it as a good sign for his availability that his agent is acknowledging on Friday that a "doubtful" status would be "fair."
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The point was that people are placing emphasis on what they want to see emphasized. You placed the emphasis on "doubtful" with bold so I posted the same sentence with "questionable" bolded. 

You also put "fair" in quotes and I have no idea why, but I'll leave that one alone. 

The fact is that Shady's practicing today and his status is not yet listed as doubtful. He's a GTD. Nothing has changed. 

Yes, Drew Rosenhaus said he could be listed as either, but Drew Rosenhaus is also a notorious d-bag who loves to see his name in the news, and by saying something sensational he guaranteed it.

But for sure he's not out a month, because players who are out a month aren't seen running around on a practice field whether it's the media portion or not.

with a gun to my head to make a prediction I'd say he's probably out this week. But this sounds a lot closer to a coin flip based on a Friday practice. 

Im glad I don't have shares in this mess, because this is the least clear injury reporting I can remember in recent history. 

 
I've been kicking around the idea of trading for him in my work nonPPR league the last couple of weeks. Not sure the other owner's complete thoughts yet but had put feelers out there for a swap of my Deandre Hopkins and Crowell for his Diggs and Shady. Both his players are now trying to come back from injury. Crowell has cooled off and Hopkins is stuck in Osweiler purgatory. It would be a gamble for sure on my part but i wonder if a healthy Diggs and McCoy in the 2nd half would give me a better shot.

 
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LeSean McCoy (hamstring) is questionable for Week 7 against the Dolphins.
Here we go. "We're not ruling Shady out at all," coach Rex Ryan said. "We'll be smart with him, but he looked pretty good [today]." McCoy practiced on Friday but admitted he was "very limited" after straining his hammy on Wednesday and missing Thursday's practice. It was reported Thursday that McCoy would likely sit out Sunday, but he's really pressing to play. If the Bills were to play it smart, they'd hold McCoy out so he doesn't do further damage, but Ryan has long been open to McCoy playing hurt. Good news is this game kicks off at 1 PM ET, so we'll know early Sunday if McCoy is active. If he plays, expect a bit of a reduced role and some extra carries for Mike Gillislee.
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
But for sure he's not out a month, because players who are out a month aren't seen running around on a practice field whether it's the media portion or not.
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Agree and that by far the most encouraging thing about the news today.

I'd still hate to see him suit up this week, he sounds close and I'd much rather take a week off than push it, especially when he might even be limited and I'm not sure I'd use him if he started. Not like Bills make decisions for my fantasy team but for them I'd not risk it. This talk of just giving him a few weeks rest when he's close is off base, they don't have that kind of luxury, but would sure not at all mind giving him an extra week.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Rosenhaus making sensational comments to get his name in the news. He is the only one who suggested that he could be listed as doubtful. 

He is officially listed as questionable. 

I didn't think it was unclear. 
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Rosenhaus' comments came in response to the report McCoy would be out 4 weeks. So, Rosenhaus (for now at least) appears to have made the more conservative claim and (for now at least) be proven right.

 
J R said:
Rosenhaus' comments came in response to the report McCoy would be out 4 weeks. So, Rosenhaus (for now at least) appears to have made the more conservative claim and (for now at least) be proven right.
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 Except for the fact that he's listed as questionable, which would make him totally wrong. 

 
J R said:
Rosenhaus' comments came in response to the report McCoy would be out 4 weeks. So, Rosenhaus (for now at least) appears to have made the more conservative claim and (for now at least) be proven right.
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Right.

Hot Sauce, I get that you're not a Rosenhaus fan.  I'm not one either but you seem to have some axe to grind here and I think you are completely missing the point I was raising about his statement.

But its not a big deal.  Moving on...

 
VaTerp said:
Right.

Hot Sauce, I get that you're not a Rosenhaus fan.  I'm not one either but you seem to have some axe to grind here and I think you are completely missing the point I was raising about his statement.

But its not a big deal.  Moving on...
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No axe whatsoever, I just think he was saying something that he knew would get his name in the news. And i caught your point perfectly - and you seem to have missed mine, that it's all about which part of the story you're emphasizing. 

Im a very straight shooter - if I had an axe to grind with him you'd know it. ;)  

I think he was being sensational for the sake of being sensational because that's what he's done consistently throughout his career.

as for this whole fiasco, I find it fascinating that in a 48 hour period Shady has gone from tweaking his hammy at practice, to out for a month, to out for a week, to wants to play, to "could be doubtful", to "limited practice", to GTD.

I've never seen so much confusion over what appears to be a relatively minor injury. 

 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
No axe whatsoever, I just think he was saying something that he knew would get his name in the news. 

Im a very straight shooter - if I had an axe to grind with him you'd know it. ;)  

I think he was being sensational for the sake of being sensational because that's what he's done consistently throughout his career.

as for this whole fiasco, I find it fascinating that in a 48 hour period Shady has gone from tweaking his hammy at practice, to out for a month, to out for a week, to wants to play, to "could be doubtful", to "limited practice", to GTD.

I've never seen so much confusion over what appears to be a relatively minor injury. 
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He didnt say anything sensational in the least.  He was responding to reports that Shady was definitely out this week by saying that wasnt true and that he was a gametime decision, which is pretty much what the HC said.

I was just pointing out that I found it interesting that he thought both the questionable and doubtful tag would be fair to use.

The fact that he was officially listed as questionable does not make Rosenhaus wrong at all here.  He's actually more right than wrong by the fact that Shady wasnt ruled out already.

That's why I don't get all the shots you're taking at Rosenhaus here.  Doesnt really make any sense.

 
VaTerp said:
That's why I don't get all the shots you're taking at Rosenhaus here.  Doesnt really make any sense.
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 Took his comment to be more radical than it needed to be. 

And yes, I took shots at him because I don't care for the guy, but I wasn't hiding that. ;)  

good luck this week - for your sake as a shady owner I hope that he rests. 

 
Ps - I also take Rosenhaus' comments as hedging. Like, if shady's listed as questionable and plays, and the  gets more hurt as a result, he can now say, "see, I told you he was more hurt than that. I said he should have been doubtful". 

Then you've got coaches saying shady is "pushing to play", but then a report came out this AM that "the bills are pushing shady to play."

so some of my angst over this is the bigger picture of today's NFL, where CYA is more important than protecting the player's health. 

The new look injury report plays into this, and comments by agents are almost always worthless because of it.

i don't have a dog in this fight - well, my opponent has Glee, so I hope it's shadowy enough that he leaves him on his bench, but otherwise I'm just an observer here. 

And there's something super sketchy about how all this has been reported. 

 
I already told you guys he is playing, I'm not saying that arrogantly, I'm saying that because this is Shady as I see it. He is shady in how he acts. But, I have always been suspicious of his injuries. I'm no shrink, but people are wierd. He may want to look like a hero playing through a "perceived" hamstring injury. If the MRI came back bad, he would be listed out already. It didnt but with some basic soreness of an NFL player playing after a game.

I am calling it, McCoy plays and this was all a :yawn:

 
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WheelsUp said:
I already told you guys he is playing, I'm not saying that arrogantly, I'm saying that because this is Shady as I see it. He is shady in how he acts. But, I have always been suspicious of his injuries. I'm no shrink, but people are wierd. He may want to look like a hero playing through a "perceived" hamstring injury. If the MRI came back bad, he would be listed out already. It didnt but with some basic soreness of an NFL player playing after a game.

I am calling it, McCoy plays and this was all a :yawn:
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Was there even an MRI?

 
To be honest I doubt it, but if there was thats all it showed if he is out there stretching I presume.
You dont let the franchise rush back for a week 7 game against Miami with a bigger game next week. Even if this game has a lot of meaning.

 
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 I ask because I don't recall seeing any word of an MRI, which is what made me incredibly skeptical about the four week absence claim. Usually anything over a couple of weeks would be a medical opinion, not a journalistic one. 

 
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