Nah, nothing personal at all. Oh and thanks, I did do well last season.Somewhere this got personal and became a hijack of Favre vs Brooks.
No one is argueing that you did well last season...you won your league as you noted earlier...Kudos.
I am just not going to say Brooks will fair as well as he has in recent past...I see him being outside of the top10 this season. You can disagree but bickering over prvious stats is not the point.
Here's my question for you. Why do you think Brooks will fair well this season? Assuming the Saints pound the ball more. Because you can't possibly think that Brooks is a better NFL QB than Favre
Bottom line is that NO is a pretty talented team and I think if they play a full season, they are going to do very well offensively and McCallister and Brooks will both have good years. I just don't see the downside of Brooks being worse than QB10 (Note that the spread from QB4 to QB 11 was 46 points and the spread from QB2 to QB3 was 68 points).
His ADP at Antsports is 8.05 (QB14) and the 5 QBs behind him are Brees, Pennington, Carr, Griese and Leftwich. I don't know about you but Brooks, barring best seasons ever by these guys, should outperform all of them and at worst be as good as his draft position, but chances are he will be better than his draft position. I can't say the same about the other folks that are drafted in front of Brooks, some of whom have never finished better than him.
I would say right now that Favre is a better NFL QB, but if by the time Brooks' career is over he wins a Super Bowl and start improving to a level just a bit better than he has been, then maybe they might end up comparable. That might be unlikely, but don't forget, Brooks has only been a starter for four and a half years. After four years Manning had 111TDs, 81INTs and 16418 yards and Brooks after four years (not counting half year in 2000 - too hard for my little mind to compare) has 98TDs, 61INTs and 14760 yards.
Again, not trying to say Brooks is as good as Manning, but his first four years aren't that bad comparatively and Manning's Colts were 32-32 after his first four years, so maybe a few good years by the Saints (may never happen) and people might think better of Brooks.
OK, no more posts from me about Brooks, I promise, unless someone specifically asks me or I get bored at work. stbugs out...
I think we're both feeling strong in our beliefs because both of us were able to do well last season with our different approaches. You got Brooks later and it paid off. I took Favre and it paid off for me as well. And that's all that matters, right?
)______________________________________________________________________13. Carson Palmer: I love C. Johnson, but will pass on CP this year, as it's not time yet. With an ADP of 7.02 = no value here. 14. Drew Brees: I see little risk here; with an ADP of 9.02 I'd love him here. I'd feel fine having him as my qb 1; getting him in the 9th round or later. 15. Steve McNair: I don't understand why he's fallen so far? he has an ADP of late tenth round. It's amazing how short FF drafter's memories are. I'd take him in the 10th as my qb2 and be ecstatic. If he's my qb1, I'd go QB, QB the next two rounds, and still feel fine. This same philosophy lies in the next couple qb's and Pennington and Harrington.. 16. Byron Leftwich: Early 10th ADP = again, an excellent QB2, yada yada (see McNair) 17. Jake Delhomme: I'd take him prior to Palmer, Brees, McNair and Lefttwich. 18. David Carr: No thanks. 19. Chad Pennington: Another great qb to pair with one of the above. He's looked awesome in preseason, and with Coles back I like his chances of posting solid numbers. 20. Kyle Boller: No thanks. 21. Joey Harrington: Awesome value = He's going late 10th. Another awesome qb to pair with one of the above, or take as QB1 and get two other good ones. Why is he behind Boller, et al. on this list?22. Brian Griese: Another ADP I don't get (10th round). I don't want him to be my QB1, but he'd be an awesome QB2/3, if all three are preferred players above. 23. Ben Rothlisberger: Faded over his last 1/3 of the season including playoffs. Excited to see what he can do this year but would hate to rely on him every week.24. Eli Manning: No 25. Alex Smith/Tim Rattay: No26. Patrick Ramsey: No27. Kurt Warner: I'd gladly take him as my QB328. Drew Bledsoe: No29. J.P.Losman: No30. Trent Dilfer: No31. Gus Frerotte: No32. Chad Hutch/J.Blake: No no no.____________________________________________________________________I thus have the first twelve (with the goal of getting at least one of the below, +If I don't get one of the first twelve, my goal will be to get three of the following: Brees, McNair, Lefty, Delhomme, Pennington, Harrington, Griese & Warner.I'd bet the odds of choosing any three of these and ending up with a top 12 qb is higher than choosing one of the first 10, and having them exceed their draft position (this is the gamble you make by waiting). I don't like to necessarily play the schedule game as I like to find one that's a worthy weekly starter and go with them unless the schedules are too tempting to use. Having three of the guys mentioned gives you an excellent chance of finding a gem.my .02~Liquor
by stbugs, and I was actually trying to help you understand that before it got worse.

.....guys.Perhaps I'm stating the obvious, but I just wanted to give my
IMO, while I realize strategy differs with each draft/league and VALUE is the key....I'm a believer in QBBC and think the key is to grab THE BEST TWO COMBO OF QBS or whatever roster requirements you have at the postion. Plummer + Brooks = Championship for me last year and the strategy has served me well in previous yrs. I dont have a problem looking at the matchups each week and starting the guy I think has the BEST CHANCE to get me 20 points for THAT WEEK. With this strategy, you really need to look at SOS before your draft and each week. While there is risk and you need to make certain assumptions, the key is to capitalize on the RIGHT COMBINATION OF VALUE.I'm currently still in the middle of this process, preparing for my draft on Saturday, but Plummer, Delhomme, Hasslebeck, Warner, and even E.Manning are on my list of decent value with ADP at 7-10 for most of those guys, except for Eli and Kurt who can be had later or even on waivers. Sorry if this is a :hijack:...but are there any combos that stick out to anyone?
, sincerely curious.