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This thread is a joke. Liberal intolerance? Now? Give me a break.

Conservatives won the election. You've got a President aligned with you, a conservative Senate, a conservative House, most of the governors and most of the state legislatures. In the history of this country, Republicans have never had as much collective power as they're about to have after January. And yet the whining continues.

 
timschochet said:
This thread is a joke. Liberal intolerance? Now? Give me a break.

Conservatives won the election. You've got a President aligned with you, a conservative Senate, a conservative House, most of the governors and most of the state legislatures. In the history of this country, Republicans have never had as much collective power as they're about to have after January. And yet the whining continues.
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And ardent Trump supporters have been committing a lot more hate crimes since the election.  Neat.   

 
Cyclones said:
I'm not going to read all 10 pages here because I'm sure at least half of it is party line rhetoric, but I'd pose this question - what about conservative intolerance? 

I live in Kentucky, although I live in one of the 2 counties that voted blue. I've been around the state a lot and met a lot of people who have never left a 5 county radius in nowhereville, KY. They live in their own little bubble and feel left behind - but that doesn't make their wants or needs any more important than a gay black guy living in Philadelphia or Charlotte or whatever. 

Ultimately I think this election was won because Trump made a whole lot of completely irresponsible promises about creating tens of millions of jobs that monkeys could do. Coal is NOT making a comeback. The reason manufacturing plants aren't in every hick town in America anymore isn't because some immigrant stole their jobs and they were moved to the evil cities, it's because robots can do 90% of that work now. The world needs critical thinkers, negotiators, sales people, scientists, etc - not a throng of people who know how to use a shovel and chant "Lock her up" in unison. 

I fully believe Trump will govern from the center. He is and always has been a big government liberal. The fact that he hoodwinked lower middle class white America into thinking he was somehow their white knight is laughable and telling. 

And for the record, I'm overweight and love NASCAR. 
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Did you point out conservative intolerance in there?  I missed it.  

I'm from Kentucky so I get what you're saying.  Most people I know were voting more against Hilary than for Trump.  Whether the "lower middle class" has been left behind or not doesn't really matter.  They feel that way and there was no change in sight with someone like Hillary.  Maybe Trump won't deliver but people see it as a chance.  I get why most of America felt like they had been forgotten.   If you look at the electoral map,  it's all over.  Covered in red. Hilary made no attempt to connect with the common man and she paid for it.  She was too busy trotting out Beyonce and Jay Z.  The result was very predictable 

 
Loan Sharks said:
Something has been bothering me about the semantics of this situation. 

So when you don't like someone and what his culture and ideas stand for, a bunch of people go to Trumps front lawn and burn him in effigy and it is a "protest". 

If a bunch of people in Alabama don't like someone, his culture and ideas and burn him in effigy on his front lawn is that a "protest" also? 

I am having a hard time telling the hate crimes from protests apart. 
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It is a protest if it is against a Republican, it is a hate crime if directed against Obama. 

I am so glad he is almost gone. 

 
flapgreen said:
Did you point out conservative intolerance in there?  I missed it.  

I'm from Kentucky so I get what you're saying.  Most people I know were voting more against Hilary than for Trump.  Whether the "lower middle class" has been left behind or not doesn't really matter.  They feel that way and there was no change in sight with someone like Hillary.  Maybe Trump won't deliver but people see it as a chance.  I get why most of America felt like they had been forgotten.   If you look at the electoral map,  it's all over.  Covered in red. Hilary made no attempt to connect with the common man and she paid for it.  She was too busy trotting out Beyonce and Jay Z.  The result was very predictable 
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Go Bears!

 
flapgreen said:
Did you point out conservative intolerance in there?  I missed it.  

I'm from Kentucky so I get what you're saying.  Most people I know were voting more against Hilary than for Trump.  Whether the "lower middle class" has been left behind or not doesn't really matter.  They feel that way and there was no change in sight with someone like Hillary.  Maybe Trump won't deliver but people see it as a chance.  I get why most of America felt like they had been forgotten.   If you look at the electoral map,  it's all over.  Covered in red. Hilary made no attempt to connect with the common man and she paid for it.  She was too busy trotting out Beyonce and Jay Z.  The result was very predictable 
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Maybe "Conservative Ignorance" would have been a better way to frame it. 

 
MaxThreshold said:
Nope.  Nice try, though.  The ignorant ones were the ones that, ahem, ignored the Hillary warning signs.
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I'm  not referring to ignorance as it pertains to the election results vs the expected results going into the election - I'm referring to the types of folks I called out in my first post - the inhabitants of counties that are 95% white who have never met  a Muslim or befriended a gay person or been sympathetic to an immigrant. 

Why is that white American's pain more important than anyone else's? That's what I mean by ignorance - yeah, we get it - your county in the middle of nowhere that has no resources and nothing to offer but blue collar labor is struggling - but your struggle is no more important than anyone else's. 

 
Cyclones said:
I'm  not referring to ignorance as it pertains to the election results vs the expected results going into the election - I'm referring to the types of folks I called out in my first post - the inhabitants of counties that are 95% white who have never met  a Muslim or befriended a gay person or been sympathetic to an immigrant. 

Why is that white American's pain more important than anyone else's? That's what I mean by ignorance - yeah, we get it - your county in the middle of nowhere that has no resources and nothing to offer but blue collar labor is struggling - but your struggle is no more important than anyone else's. 
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? Using a broad brush to paint there..everybody's individual struggles are important to them regardless. If you have ever gone through any hard times in your life you know that. 

 
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timschochet said:
This thread is a joke. Liberal intolerance? Now? Give me a break.

Conservatives won the election. You've got a President aligned with you, a conservative Senate, a conservative House, most of the governors and most of the state legislatures. In the history of this country, Republicans have never had as much collective power as they're about to have after January. And yet the whining continues.
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It isn't that liberals are intolerant but rather the media/Hillary's campaign successfully sold Trump as a monster, so the liberals can't help but hate on Trump supporters. They are literally brainwashed, and I feel sorry for them.

 
timschochet said:
This thread is a joke. Liberal intolerance? Now? Give me a break.

Conservatives won the election. You've got a President aligned with you, a conservative Senate, a conservative House, most of the governors and most of the state legislatures. In the history of this country, Republicans have never had as much collective power as they're about to have after January. And yet the whining continues.
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 Weren't you saying a couple months ago that the GOP was basically obsolete and on the verge of irrelevancy?

Pardon me if I'm misremembering.

 
SIDA! said:
 Weren't you saying a couple months ago that the GOP was basically obsolete and on the verge of irrelevancy?

Pardon me if I'm misremembering.
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No. 

what I wrote is that long term, in terms of national elections, I think the Republican Party could become irrelevant, given demographic changes. I still believe this to be true, but who knows? I was surprised by this current result, and wrong. 

 
Hmmm. Ok. I think we all agree on that.  That's why people like me advocate for border security and people like you advocate for open borders. 

Open borders equals the death of the GOP.

Hopefully,  Trump does what he promised and starts deporting illegals asap.

 
SIDA! said:
Hmmm. Ok. I think we all agree on that.  That's why people like me advocate for border security and people like you advocate for open borders. 

Open borders equals the death of the GOP.

Hopefully,  Trump does what he promised and starts deporting illegals asap.
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Just to correct you: I am not for open borders for political reasons at all. Even if it benefits the Dems for now it might not forever and I really don't care. If open borders guaranteed GOP dominance forever, I'd still be for open immigration (more accurate term than open borders). 

I am for open immigration because it's an extremely important aspect of how I define the USA, perhaps for me the most important aspect. It's part of what makes this country the greatest in the history of mankind. I truly believe that. 

 
Cyclones said:
The reason manufacturing plants aren't in every hick town in America anymore isn't because some immigrant stole their jobs and they were moved to the evil cities, it's because robots can do 90% of that work now.  
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It's more that the manufacturing jobs went abroad once NAFTA made it more affordable for American corporations to produce in foreign nations and then import into America.  You can see the precipitous decline in U.S. manufacturing jobs shortly after NAFTA went into effect.

:giant sucking sound:

 
timschochet said:
This thread is a joke. Liberal intolerance? Now? Give me a break.

Conservatives won the election. You've got a President aligned with you, a conservative Senate, a conservative House, most of the governors and most of the state legislatures. In the history of this country, Republicans have never had as much collective power as they're about to have after January. And yet the whining continues.
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The entire premise of this thread is absurd.  

 
Here's a good example of Liberal intolerance in the news recently.  A university admissions director, in a fit of rage after President Trump won, posted on social media that if you support the National Organization for Marriage, and their traditional view of marriage, then you're "a worthless piece of trash."

In this university official's mind, it's not just that your view is different and what he would consider wrong.  Your differing view makes you a lesser human, "a worthless piece of trash."

Would you see a comparable social media post from a conservative university official calling people whose views he disagreed with worthless pieces of trash?  If so, would that university official be allowed to keep his job? The answers are "no" and "no", and that's because higher ed has become a Liberal echo chamber where demonizing and ridiculing people with "backward" Conservative views is not only accepted, but in many cases encouraged.

This ridicule and demonizing are pushing people away from the fundamentalist Left.  I'm an atheist who supports gay marriage, but I don't think Americans, like my in-laws, who disagree with me on this issue are worthless pieces of trash.  I do, however, think that a person who publicly derides them as a worthless piece of trash should look in the mirror to find one.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/11/donald-trump-win-sparks-gmu-admissions-directors-r/

 
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Gary Coal Man said:
Here's a good example of Liberal intolerance in the news recently.  A university admissions director, in a fit of rage after President Trump won, posted on social media that if you support the National Organization for Marriage, and their traditional view of marriage, then you're "a worthless piece of trash."

In this university official's mind, it's not just that your view is different and what he would consider wrong.  Your differing view makes you a lesser human, "a worthless piece of trash."

Would you see a comparable social media post from a conservative university official calling people whose views he disagreed with worthless pieces of trash?  If so, would that university official be allowed to keep his job? The answers are "no" and "no", and that's because higher ed has become a Liberal echo chamber where demonizing and ridiculing people with "backward" Conservative views is not only accepted, but in many cases encouraged.

This ridicule and demonizing are pushing people away from the fundamentalist Left.  I'm an atheist who supports gay marriage, but I don't think Americans, like my in-laws, who disagree with me on this issue are worthless pieces of trash.  I do, however, think that a person who publicly derides them as a worthless piece of trash should look in the mirror to find one.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/11/donald-trump-win-sparks-gmu-admissions-directors-r/
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this is a common theme with the left, if you have a different belief then you are "worthless".   The Country is tired of it and showed that last week.  Let the kids have their tantrums in the streets because they don't know how to handle losing

 
Card Trader said:
this is a common theme with the left, if you have a different belief then you are "worthless".   The Country is tired of it and showed that last week.  Let the kids have their tantrums in the streets because they don't know how to handle losing
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Whine whine whine. Things are just so awful for you guys. 

 
timschochet said:
:lmao: Sure you are. "This is a common theme for the left; if you have a different belief you are worthless." That's the opposite of laughing.
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We've been laughing at YOU in particular for a while, now we're throwing the rest of the left in too. The tears that were shed on election night has brought us all some great joy.  It's hilarious what the left has become. So yes, laughing....a lot

 
Card Trader said:
We've been laughing at YOU in particular for a while, now we're throwing the rest of the left in too. The tears that were shed on election night has brought us all some great joy.  It's hilarious what the left has become. So yes, laughing....a lot
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I didn't cry on election night, but I was terribly disheartened. It's over now though. You guys won. You've won everything. You're in charge. And yet you're still whining about the left. The left can't do ####. It's up to you guys now. Good luck.

 
timschochet said:
I didn't cry on election night, but I was terribly disheartened. It's over now though. You guys won. You've won everything. You're in charge. And yet you're still whining about the left. The left can't do ####. It's up to you guys now. Good luck.
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They haven't won my heart.

 
timschochet said:
This thread is a joke. Liberal intolerance? Now? Give me a break.

Conservatives won the election. You've got a President aligned with you, a conservative Senate, a conservative House, most of the governors and most of the state legislatures. In the history of this country, Republicans have never had as much collective power as they're about to have after January. And yet the whining continues.
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Tim, this thread is an attempt to help liberals understand how they played an integral part in getting Trump elected. I linked to three separate articles in the OP from liberal journalists who have reached the same conclusion I have. I'm not whining about anything. It is my sincere hope that liberals will start disagreeing in a more productive manner and that we can have more civil discourse in the future -- and of course I realize the right has their own issues to deal with.

The country is more divided than I can ever remember and I think a big factor in the divide is the willingness of the left to label their opposition racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic etc... and completely shut down any sort of rational discourse. 

Give this a quick view. It's a video made by a liberal comedian, I hope you find it enlightening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs&app=desktop

 
whoknew said:
Guess we were wrong on that one, eh?
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With the Supreme Court justices he choses, yes eventually Row Vs Wade will get overturned. I am personally against this.

But all that means is each STATE instead of the Federal Government will make abortion decisions. 

Jeebus learn something. Abortion bans are only concerning the Federal Government not the states.

 
SIDA! said:
 Weren't you saying a couple months ago that the GOP was basically obsolete and on the verge of irrelevancy?

Pardon me if I'm misremembering.
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There were louder mouths than Tim saying Repubs would never win a national election again. SHIFTING DEMOGRAPHICS!!!!!

 
GrandpaRox said:
With the Supreme Court justices he choses, yes eventually Row Vs Wade will get overturned. I am personally against this.

But all that means is each STATE instead of the Federal Government will make abortion decisions. 

Jeebus learn something. Abortion bans are only concerning the Federal Government not the states.
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That's weird. Then how did the Supreme Court overturn Texas's surgical-center requirement for abortion clinics?

 
Maybe I'm just a natural skeptic, but I didn't believe Trump supporters burned down that church in the swing state of NC right before the election and spray painted "Vote Trump" and I also don't believe the graffiti of Trump and white power is realistic. 

However, I've seen a few videos of what appear to be middle/high school students saying some really bad things and that is NOT acceptable. Still, they're not 18 so they didn't vote. 

 
avoiding injuries said:
Maybe I'm just a natural skeptic, but I didn't believe Trump supporters burned down that church in the swing state of NC right before the election and spray painted "Vote Trump" and I also don't believe the graffiti of Trump and white power is realistic. 

However, I've seen a few videos of what appear to be middle/high school students saying some really bad things and that is NOT acceptable. Still, they're not 18 so they didn't vote. 
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If those youngsters get the opportunity to go to college they will get a chance to experience diversity and the correct way to practice intolerance...

 
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