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Lions v Packers MNF (1 Viewer)

Mr.Pack said:
Yep. I saw the Lions unable to score but one TD. 4 fgs won't win you many games.  But go ahead and blame the refs. The only touchdown they scored was a bs call that 3 refs  called it no td, but was overturned by one ref. Ridiculous. 

But blame the refs.
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At the point and time of the 1st Bogus Trey Flowers H2tFace call, the Packers would have punted on 4th and 10...that's right they didn't gain a single yard in 3 downs already down 22-13, they would have punted with around 8:00 left...how is that story ending?

You're painting it in a way that isn't true of what was happening in that moment. If Detroit gets the ball there and runs another 3-4 minutes of clock, maybe time for a 6th FG(I got your FG point, I said the same earlier) and that might have been enough. And then there's the 2nd bogus one on the last drive down 22-20. 

Let's be real, we know what we saw

Sincerely,

-NFL Fans everywhere 😄

 
Ministry of Pain said:
He's never been called for it and you are going to question his...Booger already weighed in heavy, maybe you caught some of it, he played DL. 

I think it's one thing to be happy to be on the right side of 23-22 but the rest is just being a fan, there is nothing impartial in the post. I don't root for either team, most outside of Green Bay or the casual NFL fan is grimacing tonight. 
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The funny thing is if I were to pull for anyone in this game its Rodgers. He is the superstar in this game, you always like to see the superstars perform. He is not a fantasy asset anymore but man is that guy a great player. But I still have eyes and that game was ruined by not bad or poor, but officiating that is beneath a high school league. I even understand if he accidentially touched the facemask, but it was clear as day and the refs were looking at it. Thats past being a bad call, the reason its big, its a belief the refs are dirty.

Since we are all doing qualifiers for our bad opinions, thats mine. lol I am not talking too much about each team since my beef is with the refs.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
At the point and time of the 1st Bogus Trey Flowers H2tFace call, the Packers would have punted on 4th and 10...that's right they didn't gain a single yard in 3 downs already down 22-13, they would have punted with around 8:00 left...how is that story ending?

You're painting it in a way that isn't true of what was happening in that moment. If Detroit gets the ball there and runs another 3-4 minutes of clock, maybe time for a 6th FG(I got your FG point, I said the same earlier) and that might have been enough. And then there's the 2nd bogus one on the last drive down 22-20. 

Let's be real, we know what we saw

Sincerely,

-NFL Fans everywhere 😄
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I remember a Dallas/Green Bay game Q.B.'d by Jason Garret.  Dallas won on the strength of 7 field goals.  A punt there would have made Detroit's win probability very daunting, I agree.

 
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I mean, seriously. People are using it for marketing already. This is gonna be bad for the NFL tomorrow. 

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Don’t blame us Detroit. We're not the ones who pushed the “refs are trash” button.

 
Checking into this thread after getting my son to fall asleep..  Disappointed to find out Green Bay is 4-2.   I’m sure the NFL will overturn tonight’s victory on Tuesday.   Oh well.  Maybe next week.

 
I hope the Packers learned something about complacency, assumptions, and being assignment sound from that first humiliating flea flicker.  They assumed run and got gutted for their assumption.  Low football I.Q. but maybe a learning experience.

 
I hope our punt returner learned something tonight.  The odds of him not being a goat were pretty long at that point.  He should maybe write the refs a nice thank you card.

 
Wow, fans of the sport robbed of a great game. May as well go to video referee because the guys on the field seem to be blind as bats out there.

3 obvious blown calls, at least 2 others highly questionable... zebras decided winner and loser tonight.

 
Serious question - should it be a penalty if a defensive lineman grabs an offensive lineman's shoulder pads (inside by his neck) and then uses that leverage to jam the olineman's head back and/or twist him to the side?  The replays clearly show there were no hands to the facemask, but should it have been a different call?

 
trader jake said:
Serious question - should it be a penalty if a defensive lineman grabs an offensive lineman's shoulder pads (inside by his neck) and then uses that leverage to jam the olineman's head back and/or twist him to the side?  The replays clearly show there were no hands to the facemask, but should it have been a different call?
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Looked to me like the O-lineman threw his head back to bait the ref, and it worked... TWICE. NFL should be embarrassed over this one in a big way.

Not a fan of either team, and games like this are why I prefer to watch stats instead of the "action"... felt rigged.

 
Dizzy said:
Looked to me like the O-lineman threw his head back to bait the ref, and it worked... TWICE. NFL should be embarrassed over this one in a big way.

Not a fan of either team, and games like this are why I prefer to watch stats instead of the "action"... felt rigged.
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Maybe so, but I'm trying to determine if a DLman can grab an OLman's shoulder pads like that or not.

 
:lmao:  at you all

If you think Crosby isn't hitting the 40 yard field goal then you should walk away. The defense was likely going to stop them with 1:30 or so left. Yes, I'm a Packer fan and think both "hands to the face" penalties were bad calls. Deal with it(reference Fail Mary, Jerry Rice fumbled, whatevs we all deal with it). The "maybe PI" was a good no call IMO.

This game came down to the Lions ineptitude and I don't mean this as derogatory in any way. +3 in turnovers, red zone inefficiency and the lack of any sort of running game is why they lost. Someone tell me what the Lions did on offense. Flea flicker on the first drive, ok. Great call. Deep throw on the 2nd drive, ok great call. Was there anything that the Lions did on offense after those 2 plays to instill confidence? Be honest. And did Johnson actually score? I'll give Lions fans that one for one of those bad calls.

The Lions were given the ball inside the 50  3 times and could only muster field goals. Stafford had 265 yards passing, 219 of which came in the first half. Over 100 of that on 2 plays. 

Packers played like poop on offense (undrafted WRs will do that) but settled in on D and took over the game. The Lions are a solid team but have some things to correct to be really good. Week 17 could be for the division :banned: :thumbup:

 
strykerpks said:
:lmao:  at you all

If you think Crosby isn't hitting the 40 yard field goal then you should walk away. The defense was likely going to stop them with 1:30 or so left. Yes, I'm a Packer fan and think both "hands to the face" penalties were bad calls. Deal with it(reference Fail Mary, Jerry Rice fumbled, whatevs we all deal with it). The "maybe PI" was a good no call IMO.

This game came down to the Lions ineptitude and I don't mean this as derogatory in any way. +3 in turnovers, red zone inefficiency and the lack of any sort of running game is why they lost. Someone tell me what the Lions did on offense. Flea flicker on the first drive, ok. Great call. Deep throw on the 2nd drive, ok great call. Was there anything that the Lions did on offense after those 2 plays to instill confidence? Be honest. And did Johnson actually score? I'll give Lions fans that one for one of those bad calls.

The Lions were given the ball inside the 50  3 times and could only muster field goals. Stafford had 265 yards passing, 219 of which came in the first half. Over 100 of that on 2 plays. 

Packers played like poop on offense (undrafted WRs will do that) but settled in on D and took over the game. The Lions are a solid team but have some things to correct to be really good. Week 17 could be for the division :banned: :thumbup:
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I found it! 

the worst possible take on this game! 
:lol:  

 
strykerpks said:
Care to point out any inaccuracies? Or are you just fishing?
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Not fishing in the slightest, though I suspect you were with that take. :rolleyes:

tbat you believe it was a “good non-call” on the DPI says it all really. 

You were clearly watching that play through Packer-colored glasses  

Scott Van Pelt broke it down in detail after the game. It was the most obvious DPI I’ve seen this year. DB never turned his head & had a forearm on the receivers chest a second before the ball gets there. And it was clearly a catchable ball. 

shall I go on? 

“This game came down to the Lions ineptitude” is hands down the worst conclusion on this topIc.. Maybe Even on this entire website. 

in a game where that DPI call was blown (at least 3 points for the Lions), and Rodgers got extra downs to throw his TD thanks to a phantom “hands to the shoulder” penalty, And THEN got yet another phantom “hands to the shoulder” penalty to ice the game, your  take-away here is that this game came down to the lions ineptitude? Seriously? That’s your conclusion? 

c’mon.

i mean seriously. C’mon. 

its a bad take. Even with the “no disrespect intended” it’s a bad take because you’re whitewashing the absolute fact that the Lions got jobbed by 2 phantom penalties & one blatant non-call. DPI called correctly there gives them at least a 5 point lead b/c it puts them in Prater’s range & he was automatic from everywhere tonight. 

and possibly even a 9 point lead with a TD. 

the ineptitude was on the part of this officiating team, who completely screwed the Lions. 

saying the Lions were inept entirely misses the fundamental cause of the Lions losing this game. 

 
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strykerpks said:
Care to point out any inaccuracies? Or are you just fishing?
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Stafford with a 1:30 and Prater only needing a FG.  Lions win at least 70 percent of the time.  Hell, Staffod only needed 20 seconds against KC to drive the field and get a couple long shots at the end zone. 

 
Ilov80s said:
They lost because they won the turnover battle 3-0?
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:lmao:  Good catch. Definitely time to log off and go to bed when you find yourself accidentally arguing that a team winning the turnover battle by a large margin (which Detroit did) is why they lost

 
Dizzy said:
Wow, fans of the sport robbed of a great game. May as well go to video referee because the guys on the field seem to be blind as bats out there.

3 obvious blown calls, at least 2 others highly questionable... zebras decided winner and loser tonight.
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Riveron has already made it clear by the way that he’s refusing to enforce the new coach’s challenge to PI rule that the refs would wholesale refuse to properly enforce the rules if they went to any type of non-traditional officiating.

They don’t actually care about getting it right, they care about protecting the jobs of the guys on the field.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
You seem to be looking for a quarrel with me where there is none, unless you believe pro athletes do not adjust their game to the way it is being reffed, and if so, well your opinion is yours.  I am not saying Flowers should have had to adjust his game, just that he might to avoid another bad call.
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Well, MoP’s hot take last night was, “the Packers should be ashamed of themselves for winning this football game“ so he’s seemingly got some weird axe to grind with the Packers.  It’s like these people have never watched sports.  I watch a baseball game and it seems to me the strike zone is some nebulous enigma, shifting and changing throughout the game. Basketball has different rules for different players. Goals are overturned in massive soccer games based on video evidence of a player being offside by a dime’s width.

The NFL now allows slow motion video review from a dozen different angles to look for calls that were not made, in addition to those that were. Every NFL game I’ve seen this season has been dominated by the referees.  It’s become a game within a game, where you watch a play then watch the after-play, flags, no flags, reviews, whatever, to see what the outcome is. Is there any wonder Bakhtiari has learned to sell a penalty by throwing his head back just like athletes do in all major sports? It’s as much a skill as blocking and tackling in today’s game and the trend is only going in one direction. 

 
I think the difference last night was these calls....almost all of them....directly affected the game.

The Kerryon fumble out of bounds would have been a first down. Though I can see that call going either way.

Horrible helmet to helmet call caused a 1st down

BOTH hand to the face resulted in 1st downs I believe

The lack of PI on the Jones play would have resulted in a 1st down

Nobody really talking about Rodgers hiking the ball with zero seconds on the clock and the OT already in motion. 2 missed calls there.

No, the Lions did not help themselves, but the refs won the game for GB. Period. 

 
jon_mx said:
Stafford with a 1:30 and Prater only needing a FG.  Lions win at least 70 percent of the time.  Hell, Staffod only needed 20 seconds against KC to drive the field and get a couple long shots at the end zone. 
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This. That call cost the Lion TIME. And, in case you were not aware, Stafford is pretty good in that scenario. 

 
And the refs appear to have literally changed the game as far as challenging PI calls/no calls.

Coaches see that 20 out of 21 challenges have been upheld. Patricia probably felt he had no chance after seeing the challenge upheld on the Tate play Thursday night. 

The refs have basically made it clear you need to murder somebody to have a play overturned. Otherwise, they are sticking together and waving a big middle finger to the NFL. 

 
I was tuned out for the non-call on the PI...if it was as obvious as people are stating, why didnt Detroit challenge it? 

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
You seem to be looking for a quarrel with me where there is none, unless you believe pro athletes do not adjust their game to the way it is being reffed, and if so, well your opinion is yours.  I am not saying Flowers should have had to adjust his game, just that he might to avoid another bad call.
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I have to assume most players in this situation would assume the refs blew a call, not that "this is how the game is now being reffed". I think roughly zero percent of players adjust their game at that point.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
I was tuned out for the non-call on the PI...if it was as obvious as people are stating, why didnt Detroit challenge it? 
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I think because the refs have made it abundantly clear in 20 out of 21 times that they aren’t going to bend to this new law, and there is zero faith that anything short of common assault is going to be overturned. If you have zero faith in that, have faith in your team to get other goes on offence and might need your timeouts, what’s the point in trying ? Is my guess. 
 

Suggesting a player change his technique mid game, that he has been doing with no penalty his entire career and he probably has drilled thousands of times, is asking a bit much ( not that thats  necessarily what was being said, but it’s worth noting ). 
 

This summated the calls btw. Not all of them beyond debate but there’s some interesting extra ones in there 

https://twitter.com/zachlinfield/status/1183964486274863104?s=21

 
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GroveDiesel said:
:lmao:  Good catch. Definitely time to log off and go to bed when you find yourself accidentally arguing that a team winning the turnover battle by a large margin (which Detroit did) is why they lost
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One could, if they wish, argue that the turn over margin was not 3-0.  The calls which have been the subject of the debate here were tantamount to turnovers, turnovers generated by reffing.  In each case Detroit was about to get the ball or keep the ball (P.I. non-call) and instead Green Bay had it.  That is the equivalent of a turnover.

 
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CletiusMaximus said:
They can grab the pads. I think it’s always going to be risky when it gets up under the chin and into the face like this:  https://i.redd.it/ewbr63g39ns31.jpg

Making these calls in real time is harder than people in here are crediting. It’s not like there is one ref assigned to watch only these two players.  
 
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It's their freakin job. Maybe if most of the refs weren't 200 years old they would see it wasn't hands to the face. Should be canned immediately. 

 
Cjw_55106 said:
I have to assume most players in this situation would assume the refs blew a call, not that "this is how the game is now being reffed". I think roughly zero percent of players adjust their game at that point.
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And your opinion is as valid as my own.  Still, a player like Flowers must have other moves.  Seeing how badly that first call effected things why not try another, just in case.  I see D.B.'s and Offensive tackles adjust their games all the time to the way it is being called.

 
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TartanLion said:
I think because the refs have made it abundantly clear in 20 out of 21 times that they aren’t going to bend to this new law, and there is zero faith that anything short of common assault is going to be overturned. If you have zero faith in that, have faith in your team to get other goes on offence and might need your timeouts, what’s the point in trying ? Is my guess. 
 

Suggesting a player change his technique mid game, that he has been doing with no penalty his entire career and he probably has drilled thousands of times, is asking a bit much ( not that tiara necessarily what was being said, but it’s worth noting ). 
 

This summated the calls btw. Not all of the beyond debate but there’s some interesting extra ones in there 

https://twitter.com/zachlinfield/status/1183964486274863104?s=21
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Is that a common technique for him, grabbing the inside of the pad at the throat?  I am not familiar enough with him to know

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I hope our punt returner learned something tonight.  The odds of him not being a goat were pretty long at that point.  He should maybe write the refs a nice thank you card.
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He caused two turnovers....and after that we saw Lazard more and he took the moment to shine.  Shepherd may not see the game day actives for a while (and that is the best case scenario).

 
strykerpks said:
:lmao:  at you all

If you think Crosby isn't hitting the 40 yard field goal then you should walk away. The defense was likely going to stop them with 1:30 or so left. Yes, I'm a Packer fan and think both "hands to the face" penalties were bad calls. Deal with it(reference Fail Mary, Jerry Rice fumbled, whatevs we all deal with it). The "maybe PI" was a good no call IMO.

This game came down to the Lions ineptitude and I don't mean this as derogatory in any way. +3 in turnovers, red zone inefficiency and the lack of any sort of running game is why they lost. Someone tell me what the Lions did on offense. Flea flicker on the first drive, ok. Great call. Deep throw on the 2nd drive, ok great call. Was there anything that the Lions did on offense after those 2 plays to instill confidence? Be honest. And did Johnson actually score? I'll give Lions fans that one for one of those bad calls.

The Lions were given the ball inside the 50  3 times and could only muster field goals. Stafford had 265 yards passing, 219 of which came in the first half. Over 100 of that on 2 plays. 

Packers played like poop on offense (undrafted WRs will do that) but settled in on D and took over the game. The Lions are a solid team but have some things to correct to be really good. Week 17 could be for the division :banned: :thumbup:
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I don't think anyone here said those hands to the face were good calls.  The deal with it...is what I got at when I said that refs screw up all the time all over the NFL.  Every team has been hurt by bad calls every single year.  and added that the refs suck, that the nfl should find full time refs and pay them that way, that the NFL should hold them more accountable...its either that or allow reviews for everything and let everyone complain about how long games are and how the constant reviews are killing everything.

 
Ilov80s said:
They lost because they won the turnover battle 3-0?
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That was about as good as Booger's take that those turnovers were good for GB.  He had some little rant about how those kept GB in the game.  He was trying to get at the defense holding Det to FGs after them kept them in it, but it didn't come out that way.

 
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