Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (1 Viewer)

[GrandpaRox]

It is amazing to me that anyone can at this point fault the cop. With everything that is out there there is no doubt in my mind that it was totally justified. Lots of crow going to be eaten by you all.

i am guessing that you are a conservative with a dislike for protests against the police, especially when racial issues are at play, and a strong desire to defend the police in such situations. Because it's simply not possible that any objective person could not have any doubts as this point, one way or the other.

We were right about Trayvon Martin from the jump and this thug is 10 times worse than Trayvon.

He won't be missed, crime rate will probably drop a bit.

 

[timschochet]

It is amazing to me that anyone can at this point fault the cop. With everything that is out there there is no doubt in my mind that it was totally justified. Lots of crow going to be eaten by you all.

i am guessing that you are a conservative with a dislike for protests against the police, especially when racial issues are at play, and a strong desire to defend the police in such situations. Because it's simply not possible that any objective person could not have any doubts as this point, one way or the other.

We were right about Trayvon Martin from the jump and this thug is 10 times worse than Trayvon.He won't be missed, crime rate will probably drop a bit.

actually I don't think you were right about Trayvon Martin.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

We about done here?

 

[financewonk]

ccording to the well-placed source, Wilson was coming off another case in the neighborhood on Aug. 9 when he ordered Michael Brown and his friend Dorain Johnson to stop walking in the middle of the road because they were obstructing traffic. However, the confrontation quickly escalated into physical violence, the source said.

They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, thats when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face."

The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policemans firearm, resulting in the gun going off although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"

At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6-foot-4, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.

Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket in the fracas, and was left dazed by the initial confrontation, the source said. He is now "traumatized, scared for his life and his family, injured and terrified" that a grand jury, which began hearing evidence on Wednesday, will "make some kind of example out of him," the source said.

It all seems plausible until the bolded part. He walks away, puts his hands up, and then charges a guy with a gun? I just don't buy it.

Why wouldn't you buy it? This is the same guy who 10 minutes prior was caught on video robbing and assaulting an Indian store clerk. Seems perfectly plausible that he would continue to act crazy.

because it's a whole different kind of crazy. It's suicidal . At worst the video shows Brown to be a criminal punk. It does not show that he has a death wish. Those of you making the assumption that one leads to the other are not convincing in the least; not to me anyhow.

Striking a police officer isn't borderline suicidal?

im not sure who started that. But you're right, it's bad. It's not close to the same level of insanity as charging a cop from 30 feet away who has his gun out and is pointing it at you. That's a whole different ball of wax. Like I wrote, you have to want to die. And who knows? Maybe Brown did want to die. But there's no evidence to indicate it.

IMO, it shows that he had a complete disregard for his physical well-being. I mean, most people know that if you strike a cop, then you're going to, at the very least, receive a severe beating.Therefore, the version of events which has him rushing the cop doesn't seem as unlikely to me as it does to you.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

We about done here?

not even close

 

[timschochet]

That's fine. We just have a disagreement on that point. Similar to Zimmerman, right now if I were on a jury, based on the evidence we have , I would have a hard time convicting Wilson. Because while I don't believe it's probable that Brown charged him, it's possible/ enough for reasonable doubt. But it's not what I think happened.

 

[Henry Ford]

Why do you give the benefit of the doubt to a cop who's going in front of a grand jury for shooting someone instead of the dead guy?

I've seen proof of the dead guy committing a crime. I have not seen the same of the cop.

Are you willing to accept said proof may exist?

Sure it could. As could a whole lot more video proof of the dead guy committing other (potentially violent) crimes. What's your point? He asked why I would give the benefit of the doubt to the cop instead of the guy who I've seen committing a crime. I gave my honest answer. In general, I think cops are good people - sure there are some that aren't. In general, I think people that I see committing robberies on video not good people - of course there are some that are just stealing to feed their family or for some other possibly morally justifiable reason. Absolutely nothing racial about any of it - meaning I'd feel the exact same if it were a black police officer and a white guy caught on video robbing a place.

I was just wondering if I should lump you in with jim11 and greggity or the timbaiters

Henry Ford asked a question about who you would give the benefit of the doubt to in this situation. My honest initial reaction to the question coming from him was the first thread that he and I had a "disagreement" about a situation, one that actually has a lot of ties to this current situation in fact. It was a thread about the Marshall Coulter shooting by Merritt Landry. My initial reaction to it was to side with the shooter. HF's initial reaction (I believe, it's been a while) was the opposite. You can look back into that situation if you want to see who may have been more right.

Nope, I was with Landry the whole time.In fact, I think I mentioned in it when it was bumped recently that it was nice to see us agreeing on something.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

That's fine. We just have a disagreement on that point. Similar to Zimmerman, right now if I were on a jury, based on the evidence we have , I would have a hard time convicting Wilson. Because while I don't believe it's probable that Brown charged him, it's possible/ enough for reasonable doubt. But it's not what I think happened.

not me....you shoot an unarmed man from 30 feet away you`re toast (only a cop could even attempt to get away with this)

 

[timschochet]

That's fine. We just have a disagreement on that point. Similar to Zimmerman, right now if I were on a jury, based on the evidence we have , I would have a hard time convicting Wilson. Because while I don't believe it's probable that Brown charged him, it's possible/ enough for reasonable doubt. But it's not what I think happened.

not me....you shoot an unarmed man from 30 feet away you`re toast (only a cop could even attempt to get away with this)

agreed- IF you can prove the 30 feet. Right now that distance is not confirmed.

 

[Henry Ford]

But matttyl, don't feel like you have to apologize for snydely asking people to judge me based on misstating my position on previous matters. I'll take the high road.

 

[Bucky86]

Wasn't Jim11 just horrible conservative schtick, or did I miss something?

 

[Widbil83]

ccording to the well-placed source, Wilson was coming off another case in the neighborhood on Aug. 9 when he ordered Michael Brown and his friend Dorain Johnson to stop walking in the middle of the road because they were obstructing traffic. However, the confrontation quickly escalated into physical violence, the source said.

They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, thats when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face."

The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policemans firearm, resulting in the gun going off although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"

At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6-foot-4, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.

Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket in the fracas, and was left dazed by the initial confrontation, the source said. He is now "traumatized, scared for his life and his family, injured and terrified" that a grand jury, which began hearing evidence on Wednesday, will "make some kind of example out of him," the source said.

It all seems plausible until the bolded part. He walks away, puts his hands up, and then charges a guy with a gun? I just don't buy it.

Why wouldn't you buy it? This is the same guy who 10 minutes prior was caught on video robbing and assaulting an Indian store clerk. Seems perfectly plausible that he would continue to act crazy.

because it's a whole different kind of crazy. It's suicidal . At worst the video shows Brown to be a criminal punk. It does not show that he has a death wish. Those of you making the assumption that one leads to the other are not convincing in the least; not to me anyhow.

I agree criminal punks steal things, but it's a whole different kind of crazy to be willing to come back and engage a store clerk like he did. That's a crappy neighborhood where his store probably gets stolen from all the time. How did he know the clerk didnt have a gun? So yes I'm willing to believe he didn't really care what would happen or was crazy enough to think he could punk out the cop like he did the store clerk. This early narrative of "Brown was just a gentle giant" certainly isn't the case. Plus why would a cop who's been on the force for years with a clean record suddenly shoot somebody in the back?

 

[Jim11]

Newest witness Michael Brady on anderson cooper

'I see the officer get out of the car and immediately start shooting'Michael Brady is stepping forward with a new account of Michael Brown's final moments. He was inside his apartment when he first heard Brown's altercation with Officer Darren WIlson, then he saw it out the window. Brady says he ran outside after the first shots were fired. He tells Anderson that's when the next round of shooting began.

Michael Brady is offering just one of a growing number of sometimes conflicting accounts of what happened in the moments before Michael Brown lost his life. Randi Kaye takes a closer look.

Yeah, that's what I'd do if I heard gunshots outside my place. I'd run right out there. And it only took 11 days for that dude to concoct that story...errrrr report what he saw.

yes....everyone that saw what you dont believe what happened is lying ...but anonymous callers who werent even on the scene are right...got it

So if YOU heard gunshots outside your residence, would you immediately go outside to see what was going on?

 

[Widbil83]

It's like a funeral watching CNN right now they are so depressed nobody looted, rioted or acted a fool tonight.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

It's like a funeral watching CNN right now they are so depressed nobody looted, rioted or acted a fool tonight.

like

 

[msommer]

Let's deal with your speculation first. You were the one who said he was running away. What's your basis for that conclusion?

you were laughing at it further up the thread. Short term memory issues?

I was laughing for a reason. I thought you might have an actual good reason.

So, now that we've discussed my speculation. What's yours

I don't know what happened.

Don't weasel out now.

You speculated that the car was moved.

Go.

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Why am I no surprised Christo disappeared after being asked to contribute with more than emoticons and timbaiting...

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Newest witness Michael Brady on anderson cooper

'I see the officer get out of the car and immediately start shooting'Michael Brady is stepping forward with a new account of Michael Brown's final moments. He was inside his apartment when he first heard Brown's altercation with Officer Darren WIlson, then he saw it out the window. Brady says he ran outside after the first shots were fired. He tells Anderson that's when the next round of shooting began.

Michael Brady is offering just one of a growing number of sometimes conflicting accounts of what happened in the moments before Michael Brown lost his life. Randi Kaye takes a closer look.

Yeah, that's what I'd do if I heard gunshots outside my place. I'd run right out there. And it only took 11 days for that dude to concoct that story...errrrr report what he saw.

yes....everyone that saw what you dont believe what happened is lying ...but anonymous callers who werent even on the scene are right...got it

So if YOU heard gunshots outside your residence, would you immediately go outside to see what was going on?

if i wanted to video tape i guess i might try to get a better view

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Let's deal with your speculation first. You were the one who said he was running away. What's your basis for that conclusion?

you were laughing at it further up the thread. Short term memory issues?

I was laughing for a reason. I thought you might have an actual good reason.

So, now that we've discussed my speculation. What's yours

I don't know what happened.

Don't weasel out now.

You speculated that the car was moved.

Go.

.

Why am I no surprised Christo disappeared after being asked to contribute with more than emoticons and timbaiting...

 

[BigJohn]

That's fine. We just have a disagreement on that point. Similar to Zimmerman, right now if I were on a jury, based on the evidence we have , I would have a hard time convicting Wilson. Because while I don't believe it's probable that Brown charged him, it's possible/ enough for reasonable doubt. But it's not what I think happened.

not me....you shoot an unarmed man from 30 feet away you`re toast (only a cop could even attempt to get away with this)

agreed- IF you can prove the 30 feet. Right now that distance is not confirmed.

It's a fact that many people are completely ignoring. In several accounts, people have said Wilson chased him for at least a small distance. He was shot 30 feet from the cruiser, but Wilson was most likely closer than that. I doubt there were 30 feet separating them.

 

[jon_mx]

The injury to Wilson's face makes it more likely, at least to me, that he committed a crime here.

My likely scenario: Wilson stops Brown and Johnson. A scuffle occurs. Brown hits Wilson in the face, causing the injury. The two kids take off running. Wilson fires his gun. The first shot either misses or wings Brown in the arm. Brown turns around, and either raises his arms in surrender or does not, just turns around. (Not sure what happened to Johnson at this point.)

And here is where the crime is committed by Wilson: in fear or rage or both, Wilson does not ask Brown to surrender. He does not instruct Brown to lie down on the ground. Instead, he fires his remaining bullets at Wilson. And that's murder.

There's probably no way to prove it, but that's what I think probably happened.

99 opinions and willing to state them all.

Come back tomorrow. He's going for an even 200.

And he is sure everyone of them are correct.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I wonder whether a young person who has maybe had it in his head to try to disarm a cop, finding himself fairly close to the cop might try to rush at that much smaller cop if he saw that cop take his eyes off of him and look at the co-suspect? At 30 feet away, a mere 10 yards, a distance a world class athlete can cover in a second, that young man might be tempted, after all young men can overestimate their abilities and often feel impregnable. Now if that distance was only 20 feet, having been misestimated as folks often do, might the young man have been more tempted? I don't know, but in that instance the young man would not be far off from having estimated correctly. A persons reaction time is slow enough to allow most of us to cover around 10 to 12 feet before they can respond. Of course if the response was shooting and backing away, thus creating more space and time that would be a bad decision, but one a young man might be foolish enough to make. Hell, I've seen young people make lots of foolish life or death choices behind the wheel of a car or on bikes or skateboards in traffic.

For the record I am still awaiting the autopsy and the forensics. I am not advocating the above position, I am recognizing a possibility, and I understand that possibility would, at this time, be nothing more than wild speculation not remotely based on any information thus offered or remotely confirmed.

 

[avoiding injuries]

How many autopsy's are needed? Do people really think an additional one will show something different? Are there reasons to believe the coroner's office is corrupt?

 

[Greggity]

How many autopsy's are needed? Do people really think an additional one will show something different? Are there reasons to believe the coroner's office is corrupt?

They want so many autopsy's so people get to pick and choose which ones they want to believe. Keeps the fire burning....

 

[lod01]

It is amazing to me that anyone can at this point fault the cop. With everything that is out there there is no doubt in my mind that it was totally justified. Lots of crow going to be eaten by you all.

Welcome to the side of justice and innocent until proven guilty. We are going to need truckloads of crow for these guys.

 

[lod01]

I'll bet that there is a video showing the actual event of Brown charging Wilson. Sadly the person or persons that have taken that video are not at all smart enough to come forward and collect big money. At this point that video would be a ticket to riches. I'd be contacting every news outlet I could find.

 

[jon_mx]

It is amazing how cut and dry these stories start out to be where the white guy is clearly in the wrong and as the facts slowly come out perhaps there was justification to the act after all.

 

[Greggity]

It is amazing how cut and dry these stories start out to be where the white guy is clearly in the wrong and as the facts slowly come out perhaps there was justification to the act after all.

The media needs to cram that white guilt down your throat is why. Its obviously a very smart brainwashing tactic by reading some of the dopes on this board....Poor race relations is big biz!!

 

[lod01]

We about done here?

Not even close.

Newest witness Michael Brady on anderson cooper

'I see the officer get out of the car and immediately start shooting'Michael Brady is stepping forward with a new account of Michael Brown's final moments. He was inside his apartment when he first heard Brown's altercation with Officer Darren WIlson, then he saw it out the window. Brady says he ran outside after the first shots were fired. He tells Anderson that's when the next round of shooting began.

Michael Brady is offering just one of a growing number of sometimes conflicting accounts of what happened in the moments before Michael Brown lost his life. Randi Kaye takes a closer look.

Yeah, that's what I'd do if I heard gunshots outside my place. I'd run right out there. And it only took 11 days for that dude to concoct that story...errrrr report what he saw.

yes....everyone that saw what you dont believe what happened is lying ...but anonymous callers who werent even on the scene are right...got it

So if YOU heard gunshots outside your residence, would you immediately go outside to see what was going on?

I was laughing at that. Dude had a clear view of it from his window. So he runs outside when gunshots are heard.

 

[lod01]

Newest witness Michael Brady on anderson cooper

'I see the officer get out of the car and immediately start shooting'Michael Brady is stepping forward with a new account of Michael Brown's final moments. He was inside his apartment when he first heard Brown's altercation with Officer Darren WIlson, then he saw it out the window. Brady says he ran outside after the first shots were fired. He tells Anderson that's when the next round of shooting began.

Michael Brady is offering just one of a growing number of sometimes conflicting accounts of what happened in the moments before Michael Brown lost his life. Randi Kaye takes a closer look.

Yeah, that's what I'd do if I heard gunshots outside my place. I'd run right out there. And it only took 11 days for that dude to concoct that story...errrrr report what he saw.

yes....everyone that saw what you dont believe what happened is lying ...but anonymous callers who werent even on the scene are right...got it

So if YOU heard gunshots outside your residence, would you immediately go outside to see what was going on?

if i wanted to video tape i guess i might try to get a better view

Yet this guy didn't get a video tape of it did he? Had he stayed inside he could have got the whole incident on his phone. He missed much of it on his way outside.

 

[Henry Ford]

How many autopsy's are needed? Do people really think an additional one will show something different? Are there reasons to believe the coroner's office is corrupt?

No autopsy report is complete yet as far as I know. And yes, a police department that doesn't file abuse of force reports into an officer's record as a policy and filed charges for bleeding on police uniforms against a prisoner after they held him down and tried to beat him to death probably does have some reason for doubt as to the forthrightness of everyone, including the coroner.

 

[dgreen]

I take Michael Brady at his word. I see no reason not to. But, I found it unfortunate that he did go outside because it caused him to miss some of the action and there's several seconds that he didn't witness.

 

[tom22406]

I figure by page 150 we might actually have some facts to debate

 

[spreagle]

I wonder whether a young person who has maybe had it in his head to try to disarm a cop, finding himself fairly close to the cop might try to rush at that much smaller cop if he saw that cop take his eyes off of him and look at the co-suspect? At 30 feet away, a mere 10 yards, a distance a world class athlete can cover in a second, that young man might be tempted, after all young men can overestimate their abilities and often feel impregnable. Now if that distance was only 20 feet, having been misestimated as folks often do, might the young man have been more tempted? I don't know, but in that instance the young man would not be far off from having estimated correctly. A persons reaction time is slow enough to allow most of us to cover around 10 to 12 feet before they can respond. Of course if the response was shooting and backing away, thus creating more space and time that would be a bad decision, but one a young man might be foolish enough to make. Hell, I've seen young people make lots of foolish life or death choices behind the wheel of a car or on bikes or skateboards in traffic.For the record I am still awaiting the autopsy and the forensics. I am not advocating the above position, I am recognizing a possibility, and I understand that possibility would, at this time, be nothing more than wild speculation not remotely based on any information thus offered or remotely confirmed.

The kid seemed to be acting invincible ... stealing and bullying a store clerk just minutes before with no physical consequences, waltzing down the middle of the road with stolen property under his arm, ignoring a police request to get off the road, fighting with a cop, injuring the cop and getting away, yelling "what are you going to do shoot me?" when told to freeze. I think the kid really believed the cop wasn't going to shoot him if he charged because he was getting away with everything else all day long, perhaps all life long.

 

[Greggity]

I wonder whether a young person who has maybe had it in his head to try to disarm a cop, finding himself fairly close to the cop might try to rush at that much smaller cop if he saw that cop take his eyes off of him and look at the co-suspect? At 30 feet away, a mere 10 yards, a distance a world class athlete can cover in a second, that young man might be tempted, after all young men can overestimate their abilities and often feel impregnable. Now if that distance was only 20 feet, having been misestimated as folks often do, might the young man have been more tempted? I don't know, but in that instance the young man would not be far off from having estimated correctly. A persons reaction time is slow enough to allow most of us to cover around 10 to 12 feet before they can respond. Of course if the response was shooting and backing away, thus creating more space and time that would be a bad decision, but one a young man might be foolish enough to make. Hell, I've seen young people make lots of foolish life or death choices behind the wheel of a car or on bikes or skateboards in traffic.For the record I am still awaiting the autopsy and the forensics. I am not advocating the above position, I am recognizing a possibility, and I understand that possibility would, at this time, be nothing more than wild speculation not remotely based on any information thus offered or remotely confirmed.

The kid seemed to be acting invincible ... stealing and bullying a store clerk just minutes before with no physical consequences, waltzing down the middle of the road with stolen property under his arm, ignoring a police request to get off the road, fighting with a cop, injuring the cop and getting away, yelling "what are you going to do shoot me?" when told to freeze. I think the kid really believed the cop wasn't going to shoot him if he charged because he was getting away with everything else all day long, perhaps all life long.

Finally had to pay the blouse......

 

[msommer]

How many autopsy's are needed? Do people really think an additional one will show something different? Are there reasons to believe the coroner's office is corrupt?

Has the original autopsy report been released? AFAIK there was a statement released citing multiple chest wounds which seems a bit incomplete if not misleading comparing with the second autopsy. And I guess this is why the DOJ ordered another. I sincerely hope that this one is publicly shared and is done by the top talent in the field

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Newest witness Michael Brady on anderson cooper

'I see the officer get out of the car and immediately start shooting'Michael Brady is stepping forward with a new account of Michael Brown's final moments. He was inside his apartment when he first heard Brown's altercation with Officer Darren WIlson, then he saw it out the window. Brady says he ran outside after the first shots were fired. He tells Anderson that's when the next round of shooting began.

Michael Brady is offering just one of a growing number of sometimes conflicting accounts of what happened in the moments before Michael Brown lost his life. Randi Kaye takes a closer look.

Yeah, that's what I'd do if I heard gunshots outside my place. I'd run right out there. And it only took 11 days for that dude to concoct that story...errrrr report what he saw.

yes....everyone that saw what you dont believe what happened is lying ...but anonymous callers who werent even on the scene are right...got it

So if YOU heard gunshots outside your residence, would you immediately go outside to see what was going on?

I personally would not. I also wouldnt set a foot in Syria either but....

 

[matttyl]

Newest witness Michael Brady on anderson cooper

'I see the officer get out of the car and immediately start shooting'

Michael Brady is stepping forward with a new account of Michael Brown's final moments. He was inside his apartment when he first heard Brown's altercation with Officer Darren WIlson, then he saw it out the window. Brady says he ran outside after the first shots were fired. He tells Anderson that's when the next round of shooting began.

Michael Brady is offering just one of a growing number of sometimes conflicting accounts of what happened in the moments before Michael Brown lost his life. Randi Kaye takes a closer look.

Yeah, that's what I'd do if I heard gunshots outside my place. I'd run right out there. And it only took 11 days for that dude to concoct that story...errrrr report what he saw.

And here we have a prime example. Jim11, who wants the cops to be exonerated, believes every witness on his "side" as completely honest, while every witness on the side of the protestors as dishonest. In this regard, Jim is no different from the protestors. Both sides have made up their minds long since.

Actually, the way I read it, this account in no way contradicts the officer's account (as I understand it). He's only stating what shots he heard, he's got no idea what shots struck Brown and which didn't. He's saying there was an "altercation", one loud enough to get his attention while in his apartment. That's what the cop's story is as well. Then some shots (no number given) were fired - we don't know if those struck Brown or not. We also don't know if those where the shots fired when there was a struggle for the gun (if there was one). Then the guy ran outside to see better (like Jim, I'm not buying that part, but whatever) when more shots were fired - and no one is disputing that many shots were fired during the entire situation. He didn't say anything about if Brown was heading toward Wilson or not when those final shots were fired, or if he had his hands up, or whatever.

 

[matttyl]

Henry Ford asked a question about who you would give the benefit of the doubt to in this situation. My honest initial reaction to the question coming from him was the first thread that he and I had a "disagreement" about a situation, one that actually has a lot of ties to this current situation in fact. It was a thread about the Marshall Coulter shooting by Merritt Landry. My initial reaction to it was to side with the shooter. HF's initial reaction (I believe, it's been a while) was the opposite. You can look back into that situation if you want to see who may have been more right.

Nope, I was with Landry the whole time.In fact, I think I mentioned in it when it was bumped recently that it was nice to see us agreeing on something.

Sorry for mixing up my folks. Just saying that in that situation I initially gave my "benefit of the doubt" to the homeowner - which I feel once more facts came out was totally justified (courts did as well). I'm doing the same here with Wilson.

 

[Christo]

Let's deal with your speculation first. You were the one who said he was running away. What's your basis for that conclusion?

you were laughing at it further up the thread. Short term memory issues?

I was laughing for a reason. I thought you might have an actual good reason.

So, now that we've discussed my speculation. What's yours

I don't know what happened.

Don't weasel out now.

You speculated that the car was moved.

Go.

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Why am I no surprised Christo disappeared after being asked to contribute with more than emoticons and timbaiting...

I don't know what happened. Speculating and acting like it's relevant is for people like you and tim.

 

[matttyl]

I don't know what happened.

Don't weasel out now.

You speculated that the car was moved.

Go.

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Why am I no surprised Christo disappeared after being asked to contribute with more than emoticons and timbaiting...

Why am I not surprised you bumped your own post 7 hours after making it when most people are sleeping?

 

[msommer]

I don't know what happened.

Don't weasel out now.

You speculated that the car was moved.

Go.

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Why am I no surprised Christo disappeared after being asked to contribute with more than emoticons and timbaiting...

Why am I not surprised you bumped your own post 7 hours after making it when most people are sleeping?

Did I post it too late?

I didn't know his mom made him go to bed early

 

[jonessed]

How many autopsy's are needed? Do people really think an additional one will show something different? Are there reasons to believe the coroner's office is corrupt?

The only autopsy to come out is the one via the Brown family and they don't even have access to crime scene forensics, clothing, etc. to get a complete picture.

With the Grand Jury starting up now there is going to be at least two months of little to no actual information. The speculation will obviously continue, but I think the media has all the official information they are going to have for quite some time.

 

[timschochet]

It is amazing how cut and dry these stories start out to be where the white guy is clearly in the wrong and as the facts slowly come out perhaps there was justification to the act after all.

White people are so victimized in this country!

 

[timschochet]

Let's deal with your speculation first. You were the one who said he was running away. What's your basis for that conclusion?

you were laughing at it further up the thread. Short term memory issues?

I was laughing for a reason. I thought you might have an actual good reason.

So, now that we've discussed my speculation. What's yours

I don't know what happened.

Don't weasel out now.You speculated that the car was moved.

Go.

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Why am I no surprised Christo disappeared after being asked to contribute with more than emoticons and timbaiting...

I don't know what happened. Speculating and acting like it's relevant is for people like you and tim.

youre right. Why should anybody speculate on a discussion board? My bad.

 

[jonessed]

I take Michael Brady at his word. I see no reason not to. But, I found it unfortunate that he did go outside because it caused him to miss some of the action and there's several seconds that he didn't witness.

I don't. I think any new witness accounts coming out via the media now are highly suspect.

I would never walk outside to locate gunfire unless I had family in the vicinity. That seems crazy to me. I would certainly look out the window though.

 

[timschochet]

Newest witness Michael Brady on anderson cooper

'I see the officer get out of the car and immediately start shooting'

Michael Brady is stepping forward with a new account of Michael Brown's final moments. He was inside his apartment when he first heard Brown's altercation with Officer Darren WIlson, then he saw it out the window. Brady says he ran outside after the first shots were fired. He tells Anderson that's when the next round of shooting began.

Michael Brady is offering just one of a growing number of sometimes conflicting accounts of what happened in the moments before Michael Brown lost his life. Randi Kaye takes a closer look.

Yeah, that's what I'd do if I heard gunshots outside my place. I'd run right out there. And it only took 11 days for that dude to concoct that story...errrrr report what he saw.

And here we have a prime example. Jim11, who wants the cops to be exonerated, believes every witness on his "side" as completely honest, while every witness on the side of the protestors as dishonest. In this regard, Jim is no different from the protestors. Both sides have made up their minds long since.

Actually, the way I read it, this account in no way contradicts the officer's account (as I understand it). He's only stating what shots he heard, he's got no idea what shots struck Brown and which didn't. He's saying there was an "altercation", one loud enough to get his attention while in his apartment. That's what the cop's story is as well. Then some shots (no number given) were fired - we don't know if those struck Brown or not. We also don't know if those where the shots fired when there was a struggle for the gun (if there was one). Then the guy ran outside to see better (like Jim, I'm not buying that part, but whatever) when more shots were fired - and no one is disputing that many shots were fired during the entire situation. He didn't say anything about if Brown was heading toward Wilson or not when those final shots were fired, or if he had his hands up, or whatever.

we need to stop calling it "the officer's account". Wilson has not given an account. There are only unnamed sources and a woman who claims to be a friend of Wilson's wife who called a radio show. And this is the stuff being eaten up by some conservatives who can't tolerate the idea that the protesters might be right to protest.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

Henry Ford asked a question about who you would give the benefit of the doubt to in this situation. My honest initial reaction to the question coming from him was the first thread that he and I had a "disagreement" about a situation, one that actually has a lot of ties to this current situation in fact. It was a thread about the Marshall Coulter shooting by Merritt Landry. My initial reaction to it was to side with the shooter. HF's initial reaction (I believe, it's been a while) was the opposite. You can look back into that situation if you want to see who may have been more right.

Nope, I was with Landry the whole time.In fact, I think I mentioned in it when it was bumped recently that it was nice to see us agreeing on something.

Sorry for mixing up my folks. Just saying that in that situation I initially gave my "benefit of the doubt" to the homeowner - which I feel once more facts came out was totally justified (courts did as well). I'm doing the same here with Wilson.

The media didn't make it front page news when even more facts latter came out in the Landry-Coulter case which strongly suggested that Landry acted prudently. Coulter invaded a home, took the homeowner's gun, and threatened the family in a crime prior to the Landry incident; but even more shocking Coulter has been arrested for attempting two more home burglaries/invasions in Landry's neighborhood since the Landry incident. Some people just never learn.

Merritt Landry, the homeowner who shot an unarmed teenager in the head after finding the intruder on his Marigny property, no longer faces criminal prosecution.

Orleans Parish prosecutors on Thursday announced the decision to decline charges following news that Marshall Coulter, 15, who survived the shooting, had been arrested in connection with burglaries in the same neighborhood. The decision also comes after a grand jury failed to take action earlier this year, leaving the viability of the case in doubt.

Teenager's new troubles

Coulter was arrested earlier this month after a resident told police he found the teenager in his Marigny home. After that, another nearby resident said his video surveillance system captured Coulter attempting to enter his home about 20 minutes earlier than the burglary for which Coulter was arrested.

After news of that arrest surfaced, police linked Coulter to a third crime, this one in 2012 in which he is accused of entering a home on Frenchmen Street, taking a gun, threatening a resident who confronted him and then fleeing with the weapon. Coulter faces the most serious charge -- aggravated burglary -- in that case, which is before a juvenile court judge.

Coulter's arrest influenced prosecutors' decision to abandon the case against Landry.

"Following Coulter's most recent burglary arrests, any case that this office had against Landry was irreversibly damaged," Cannizzaro said. (LINK)

 

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I wonder whether a young person who has maybe had it in his head to try to disarm a cop, finding himself fairly close to the cop might try to rush at that much smaller cop if he saw that cop take his eyes off of him and look at the co-suspect? At 30 feet away, a mere 10 yards, a distance a world class athlete can cover in a second, that young man might be tempted, after all young men can overestimate their abilities and often feel impregnable. Now if that distance was only 20 feet, having been misestimated as folks often do, might the young man have been more tempted? I don't know, but in that instance the young man would not be far off from having estimated correctly. A persons reaction time is slow enough to allow most of us to cover around 10 to 12 feet before they can respond. Of course if the response was shooting and backing away, thus creating more space and time that would be a bad decision, but one a young man might be foolish enough to make. Hell, I've seen young people make lots of foolish life or death choices behind the wheel of a car or on bikes or skateboards in traffic.

For the record I am still awaiting the autopsy and the forensics. I am not advocating the above position, I am recognizing a possibility, and I understand that possibility would, at this time, be nothing more than wild speculation not remotely based on any information thus offered or remotely confirmed.

very well said.

Forensics will be interesting.

 

[timschochet]

I wonder whether a young person who has maybe had it in his head to try to disarm a cop, finding himself fairly close to the cop might try to rush at that much smaller cop if he saw that cop take his eyes off of him and look at the co-suspect? At 30 feet away, a mere 10 yards, a distance a world class athlete can cover in a second, that young man might be tempted, after all young men can overestimate their abilities and often feel impregnable. Now if that distance was only 20 feet, having been misestimated as folks often do, might the young man have been more tempted? I don't know, but in that instance the young man would not be far off from having estimated correctly. A persons reaction time is slow enough to allow most of us to cover around 10 to 12 feet before they can respond. Of course if the response was shooting and backing away, thus creating more space and time that would be a bad decision, but one a young man might be foolish enough to make. Hell, I've seen young people make lots of foolish life or death choices behind the wheel of a car or on bikes or skateboards in traffic.

For the record I am still awaiting the autopsy and the forensics. I am not advocating the above position, I am recognizing a possibility, and I understand that possibility would, at this time, be nothing more than wild speculation not remotely based on any information thus offered or remotely confirmed.

very well said.

Forensics will be interesting.

will forensics be able to determine the distance between them?

 

[jonessed]

Newest witness Michael Brady on anderson cooper

'I see the officer get out of the car and immediately start shooting'

Michael Brady is stepping forward with a new account of Michael Brown's final moments. He was inside his apartment when he first heard Brown's altercation with Officer Darren WIlson, then he saw it out the window. Brady says he ran outside after the first shots were fired. He tells Anderson that's when the next round of shooting began.

Michael Brady is offering just one of a growing number of sometimes conflicting accounts of what happened in the moments before Michael Brown lost his life. Randi Kaye takes a closer look.

Yeah, that's what I'd do if I heard gunshots outside my place. I'd run right out there. And it only took 11 days for that dude to concoct that story...errrrr report what he saw.

And here we have a prime example. Jim11, who wants the cops to be exonerated, believes every witness on his "side" as completely honest, while every witness on the side of the protestors as dishonest. In this regard, Jim is no different from the protestors. Both sides have made up their minds long since.

Actually, the way I read it, this account in no way contradicts the officer's account (as I understand it). He's only stating what shots he heard, he's got no idea what shots struck Brown and which didn't. He's saying there was an "altercation", one loud enough to get his attention while in his apartment. That's what the cop's story is as well. Then some shots (no number given) were fired - we don't know if those struck Brown or not. We also don't know if those where the shots fired when there was a struggle for the gun (if there was one). Then the guy ran outside to see better (like Jim, I'm not buying that part, but whatever) when more shots were fired - and no one is disputing that many shots were fired during the entire situation. He didn't say anything about if Brown was heading toward Wilson or not when those final shots were fired, or if he had his hands up, or whatever.

we need to stop calling it "the officer's account". Wilson has not given an account. There are only unnamed sources and a woman who claims to be a friend of Wilson's wife who called a radio show. And this is the stuff being eaten up by some conservatives who can't tolerate the idea that the protesters might be right to protest.

That's the only feasible way any information from the police officer's account could be released at this time.

The witness accounts all conflict each other so it's as reasonable a set of circumstances as any right now. Very little of what has come out from any source at this point is official or validated.