Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (4 Viewers)

[Fat Nick]

The USA Today big headline is the Ferguson is Burning.

CNN scoops them with the more timeline-advanced headline "Smoldering City."

Burning is old news...

 

[TheWalkmen]

It isn't true because even if you do all of those things, if you're a young black man , you're still at risk.

Based on your experience as a young black man?

no, based on young black men's experiences as young black men.

Just to clarify, the two kids killed in Ferguson were running, right? Maybe I missed some new information.

Yes, they were running. They ran from the police, probably in part because they were scared, probably in part because they were thugs. Does either justify shooting one in the back? (Unless you believe, as some here apparently do, that Michael Brown turned around and from a distance of 30 feet, unarmed, started charging a policeman who was firing bullets at him.)

Link to the details of the final investigation?

There isn't one. Why is that?

Update?

 

[Sinn Fein]

QUIT QUOTING PEOPLE. THREAD IS IMPOSSIBLE TO READ ON MOBILE.

in bigger text for the special people.

It does make it diffucult to read when you are on mobile

What Do they mean be embedded quotes. TIA.

Excellent question

 

[Tackling Dummies]

QUIT QUOTING PEOPLE. THREAD IS IMPOSSIBLE TO READ ON MOBILE.

in bigger text for the special people.

It does make it diffucult to read when you are on mobile

What Do they mean be embedded quotes. TIA.

Excellent question

LOOK AT ME, i HAVE A SMARTPHONE!

 

[Aerial Assault]

I believe the prosecutor and Nixon both warned against too many embedded quotes. I assume that they took precautions.

 

[Underachievers]

The family sat in their plush hotel room while awaiting the verdict. Why get a hotel room to hear the verdict? No cable in her neighborhood?

 

[jon_mx]

I believe the prosecutor and Nixon both warned against too many embedded quotes. I assume that they took precautions.

Embedded quotes is what drove Hitler nuts.

 

[Billy Bats]

These are some quotes from a FB page listening to the police scanner overnight, it reads like a war zone, haven't seen any confirmation anywhere of an officer shot except for this guy's posting. And they've added home invasions to their activities, because why not??

Spoiler

Ferguson, MO Live Updates: Save-A-Lot more officers requested. Officer shot. Cars in 'hot zone' occupants armed with automatic weapons. Four unsubs walking down railroad tracks going toward Emerson Electric. Advanced Auto Parts (second store) on fire. SWAT on scene. Burgulary at private home taking place. SW Chambers At Mobile shots fired. Standoff between police and protesters. Walgreens being looted again. Taco Bell and Kmart fully engulfed.

Ferguson, MO Live Updates: Major gun fire at W Florrison and Chambers police taking fire from east and west. Auto fire and handguns. Active gunfire can be heard over police scanner.

Ferguson, MO. Live Updates: Over 100 cars at the Toys R Us, officers ordered to retreat! All stores on West Florrison on fire. 100 people in Walgreens scattering, Dollar General being broken into again. State Patrol Officer taken to the hospital, injuries not life threatening. Police are making arrests

Ferguson MO. Live Updates: Other cities sending fire assistance. Chambers and W. Florissant heavy gun fire, with at least one injury. Mobile being looted again. Summerset and W Florissant 6 unsubs jumped fence. Delwood Police station fully engulfed on fire, City Hall building involved. K9 got even, chased down suspect, EMS called for 'dog bite'! W Florissant and Canfield office requested back up with LIGHTS OFF. Laundry Mat on fire. Delwood Market totally looted. Party City being looted. Delwood PD needs to be secured.

Ferguson MO Live Updates: Officers warned more looters on the way. Several vehicles on fire. Family Dollar now fully engulfed. Walgreens being looted again. Police have had to take turns leaving to get refueled, and they cannot keep up. Plus trying to get arrested subjects transported. More gunfire from auto. Evacuate Chambers and W Florissant. Back up needed at Delwood Market, auto gun fire.

Ferguson, MO: Live Updates: Halls Ferry Shopping Center being taken over by looters. Shots fired. 3 black males fighting. Auto Buy @ 200 W Florissant engulfed, Conoco engulfed, Home depot being looted. Maryland Childcare Center broken into.

Ferguson MO: Live Updates: And the round up begins. Burglary in progress at private home. Cars on fire W. Chambers. Several fights. Car Dealership...helicopter overhead...unsubs attempting to flee in stolen vehicles. 903 Halls Ferry burglary. National Guard alerted 2 males approaching police precinct, one armed. 7 vehicles set on fire at car lot.

 

[HellToupee]

QUIT QUOTING PEOPLE. THREAD IS IMPOSSIBLE TO READ ON MOBILE.

in bigger text for the special people.

It does make it diffucult to read when you are on mobile

What Do they mean be embedded quotes. TIA.

Excellent question

indeed

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Um...my lawfully earned and gained property and the income from which I pay taxes expressly for the purpose of government protection comes before the lives of some marauding thugs. Cops standing in a line on a street while looters burn and vandalize isn't protecting any lives.

Lives come before property. It's extraordinarily disgusting and revealing you don't understand that.

You try to take mine and I am going to pump a shot into your body. If you value my property more than your life...that is your problem. Not mine.

The only thing you're pumping is a brown steamer into your pants when confronted by someone, in a scenario like this, deadset on taking what's yours.

Sure thing. I guess you have the viewpoint that most people live in fear of others. I am not one of them. I guarantee you that had I been a business owner in Ferguson, my building wouldn't have burned down.

Actually, it has nothing to do with fear. My viewpoint is that sane people value life over property.

Your implication was that I would be scared ####less. Trust me, it is the other guy who is going to be scared. If I was a business owner in Ferguson it would be very simple. Myself and a couple of buddies would post up with some high powered semi automatic rifles and five hundred rounds of ammunition each. The moment my front window drops and I am dropping some mother####ers on the sidewalk.

Period.

There is no way in hell any jury is going to convict me of a ####### thing and I won't lose a moment of sleep over it.

I'm picturing a crowd standing in the middle of the street in front of your business. Some are tossing stuff at the advancing line of police, some are just gesticulating and yelling vituperative stuff. The advancing line of police has some groups moving back, traveling on the sidewalk adjacent to your building. A rock, or even two break your window. There are dozens of people right there. Who do you shoot? Where did the rocks come from? How many folks uninvolved in breaking your window do you think you will murder? Don't you at least wait until the crowd starts crossing the threshold of the broken window sill before you and your buddies start mowing folks down?

I believe you have the right to defend your own business and property, but I believe that defense has to be responsible. Me, if I had a business there, I would have had my valuable, essential property and inventory removed into storage for a week or two. I would have had my windows boarded up. I would have installed some security cameras with off site connections. I would have had cameras recording the street and all approaches to my business as well as the interior to produce video for the cops and the insurance carrier, and then I would have been at home, ready to protect what really matters, my family. I would not have added to the danger.

Amateur hour in a crisis with armed buddies hyped on expectations is not th eway to go, IMO.

 

[lod01]

Dramatic recreation of Mike Brown being shot...

https://vine.co/v/O1d3LmVmntZ

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The events of last night go beyond a simple local news story and amount to a national disgrace. All of us as Americans should be embarrassed by what we witnessed and should demand that those responsible for this atrocity be held accountable.

But enough about the Jets. Any updates on how things are going in Missouri?

 

[MaxThreshold]

The events of last night go beyond a simple local news story and amount to a national disgrace. All of us as Americans should be embarrassed by what we witnessed and should demand that those responsible for this atrocity be held accountable.

But enough about the Jets. Any updates on how things are going in Missouri?

 

[lod01]

The events of last night go beyond a simple local news story and amount to a national disgrace. All of us as Americans should be embarrassed by what we witnessed and should demand that those responsible for this atrocity be held accountable.

But enough about the Jets. Any updates on how things are going in Missouri?

I am outraged. Will riot later.

 

[jon_mx]

The events of last night go beyond a simple local news story and amount to a national disgrace. All of us as Americans should be embarrassed by what we witnessed and should demand that those responsible for this atrocity be held accountable.

But enough about the Jets. Any updates on how things are going in Missouri?

But the Bills Defense was ....Playoff bound!!!!!

 

[jon_mx]

The events of last night go beyond a simple local news story and amount to a national disgrace. All of us as Americans should be embarrassed by what we witnessed and should demand that those responsible for this atrocity be held accountable.

But enough about the Jets. Any updates on how things are going in Missouri?

I am outraged. Will riot later.

Home Depot....Walgreens....kind of blah. Can someone PM me when its Best Buy?

 

[JaxBill]

I thought embedded quotes were usually obtained by embedded reporters.

 

[lod01]

What time do the sub-human looters usually get up and start their day?

 

[meatwad1]

Only through maybe 12 witness accounts so far, but I'm struggling to see why this didn't end in indictment for trial aside from the state not wanting it to. There's a couple accounts corroborating Wilson's version of events but have aspects to them that could cause reasonable doubt, and there's a bunch of people confirming the basic events of an "altercation at the car", shots at the car, Brown fleeing, turning back, moving in some manner toward Wilson (some call it a stumble, others a walk) and either had his arms at his side or raised, but not above his shoulders. There could certainly be more in this thousands of pages that might make it more clear cut, but this evidence only raises more questions for me so far. But those questions are probably unanswerable without video.

Still trying to gin up controversy? This is what you wanted, right? Change.

What? 12 eyewitness accounts are not enough? If I robbed a store and one person saw me do it, I am pretty sure I would be screwed.

 

[drummer]

Only through maybe 12 witness accounts so far, but I'm struggling to see why this didn't end in indictment for trial aside from the state not wanting it to. There's a couple accounts corroborating Wilson's version of events but have aspects to them that could cause reasonable doubt, and there's a bunch of people confirming the basic events of an "altercation at the car", shots at the car, Brown fleeing, turning back, moving in some manner toward Wilson (some call it a stumble, others a walk) and either had his arms at his side or raised, but not above his shoulders. There could certainly be more in this thousands of pages that might make it more clear cut, but this evidence only raises more questions for me so far. But those questions are probably unanswerable without video.

Still trying to gin up controversy? This is what you wanted, right? Change.

What? 12 eyewitness accounts are not enough? If I robbed a store and one person saw me do it, I am pretty sure I would be screwed.

I saw it. Now you're screwed.

Riot ensues..

 

[drummer]

BRENDA WARNER'S HAIR DID IT.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I love the press. Words have meaning, and a fundamental part of their job is to convey meaning through words and yet they describe rioters and looters as protesters. They say that the D.A. defended the grand jury decision rather than explaining it or delivering it. The language last night did not report the incident, it shaped it and drove it.

 

[lod01]

Only through maybe 12 witness accounts so far, but I'm struggling to see why this didn't end in indictment for trial aside from the state not wanting it to. There's a couple accounts corroborating Wilson's version of events but have aspects to them that could cause reasonable doubt, and there's a bunch of people confirming the basic events of an "altercation at the car", shots at the car, Brown fleeing, turning back, moving in some manner toward Wilson (some call it a stumble, others a walk) and either had his arms at his side or raised, but not above his shoulders. There could certainly be more in this thousands of pages that might make it more clear cut, but this evidence only raises more questions for me so far. But those questions are probably unanswerable without video.

These lying idiots did such a poor job of lying at their grand jury testimony, how the hell do you think they would fare with a defense attorney destroying them at a trial? I bet there was so much eye rolling at the grand jury hearings that they had to pass out Tylenol for headaches.

 

[skol asylum]

QUIT QUOTING PEOPLE. THREAD IS IMPOSSIBLE TO READ ON MOBILE.

in bigger text for the special people.

It does make it diffucult to read when you are on mobile

What Do they mean be embedded quotes. TIA.

Excellent question

LOOK AT ME, i HAVE A SMARTPHONE!

It's an Obamaphone fool.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm heartbroken for those small-business owners who get up every day and try to make a living, and their stores are now ashes for no good reason.

It would be great if someone did a kickstarter-type fundraiser for the owner of the market and any other businesses in the area that were damaged to get them the money they need to repair and restock. We could use something that nearly everyone could get behind. I bet they could raise whatever they need in a matter of hours.

 

[TenTimes]

I'm heartbroken for those small-business owners who get up every day and try to make a living, and their stores are now ashes for no good reason.

It would be great if someone did a kickstarter-type fundraiser for the owner of the market and any other businesses in the area that were damaged to get them the money they need to repair and restock. We could use something that nearly everyone could get behind. I bet they could raise whatever they need in a matter of hours.

Smart. I bet they'd get 14 times what they lost.

 

[Steve Tasker]

I'm heartbroken for those small-business owners who get up every day and try to make a living, and their stores are now ashes for no good reason.

I saw a picture on Twitter this morning of (reportedly) a bakery owner standing outside her burned-out shop and crying. Awful. :(

 

[JaxBill]

I'm heartbroken for those small-business owners who get up every day and try to make a living, and their stores are now ashes for no good reason.

It would be great if someone did a kickstarter-type fundraiser for the owner of the market and any other businesses in the area that were damaged to get them the money they need to repair and restock. We could use something that nearly everyone could get behind. I bet they could raise whatever they need in a matter of hours.

Smart. I bet they'd get 14 times what they lost.

And then they'd move their store to a safer area.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I'd rather do a kickstarter campaign to raise bounty money and put a price on the heads of those responsible.

 

[Vykng]

Um...my lawfully earned and gained property and the income from which I pay taxes expressly for the purpose of government protection comes before the lives of some marauding thugs. Cops standing in a line on a street while looters burn and vandalize isn't protecting any lives.

Lives come before property. It's extraordinarily disgusting and revealing you don't understand that.

You try to take mine and I am going to pump a shot into your body. If you value my property more than your life...that is your problem. Not mine.

The only thing you're pumping is a brown steamer into your pants when confronted by someone, in a scenario like this, deadset on taking what's yours.

Sure thing. I guess you have the viewpoint that most people live in fear of others. I am not one of them. I guarantee you that had I been a business owner in Ferguson, my building wouldn't have burned down.

Actually, it has nothing to do with fear. My viewpoint is that sane people value life over property.

Your implication was that I would be scared ####less. Trust me, it is the other guy who is going to be scared. If I was a business owner in Ferguson it would be very simple. Myself and a couple of buddies would post up with some high powered semi automatic rifles and five hundred rounds of ammunition each. The moment my front window drops and I am dropping some mother####ers on the sidewalk.

Period.

There is no way in hell any jury is going to convict me of a ####### thing and I won't lose a moment of sleep over it.

Because the only way to combat violence is with more violence?

You have some serious issues. Most things aren't worth jail time or loss of lives. You sound like a horrible human being.

Would you say that protecting your home is equal to defending yourself?

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'd rather do a kickstarter campaign to raise bounty money and put a price on the heads of those responsible.

And that's why I said "nearly everyone."

 

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I'm heartbroken for those small-business owners who get up every day and try to make a living, and their stores are now ashes for no good reason.

It would be great if someone did a kickstarter-type fundraiser for the owner of the market and any other businesses in the area that were damaged to get them the money they need to repair and restock. We could use something that nearly everyone could get behind. I bet they could raise whatever they need in a matter of hours.

Smart. I bet they'd get 14 times what they lost.

And then they'd move their store to a safer area.

Residents of that area obviously don't care to have any places of employment or to purchase goods in the immediate vicinity.

 

[[icon]]

The "Single out people defending themselves against violence as the problem" shtick is a good one.

Protip: Attack a cop, rob a store, assault a person.... all terrible decisions that are willfully made by criminals with the awareness that there may be consequences behind these actions. When someone fulfills those consequences, they are generally not to blame.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm heartbroken for those small-business owners who get up every day and try to make a living, and their stores are now ashes for no good reason.

It would be great if someone did a kickstarter-type fundraiser for the owner of the market and any other businesses in the area that were damaged to get them the money they need to repair and restock. We could use something that nearly everyone could get behind. I bet they could raise whatever they need in a matter of hours.

Smart. I bet they'd get 14 times what they lost.

And then they'd move their store to a safer area.

Residents of that area obviously don't care to have any places of employment or to purchase goods in the immediate vicinity.

Looting and rioting is terrible and indefensible. But it's ridiculous to conclude that the population doesn't care about its community just because a few terrible people act like idiots and trash the place. Do people in New Hampshire not care about their community? San Francisco? Vancouver? Southern California?

 

[Doug B]

Do people in New Hampshire not care about their community?

This paticular link doesn't work for me (getting an "old browser" message). But I've seen references to the "Pumpkin Riot" a few times in this thread. Before I read any details: was that really comparable to Ferguson in any way?

Off to Google.

 

[BigJohn]

So, for the national chain stores, O'Reilly Auto, Little Ceasar's, etc... what is the upside to rebuilding these stores?

 

[ArbyMelt]

Why is the black community rallying their cause around a thug? There are so many racial injustices in this country. Pick a better one to to rally around. Don't pick the guy who robs a store, assaults the store owner, punches a cop in the cop car, then bull rushes a cop. Then to go riot and burn innocent people's busineses. Makes you wonder.

 

[[icon]]

I'm heartbroken for those small-business owners who get up every day and try to make a living, and their stores are now ashes for no good reason.

It would be great if someone did a kickstarter-type fundraiser for the owner of the market and any other businesses in the area that were damaged to get them the money they need to repair and restock. We could use something that nearly everyone could get behind. I bet they could raise whatever they need in a matter of hours.

Smart. I bet they'd get 14 times what they lost.

And then they'd move their store to a safer area.

Residents of that area obviously don't care to have any places of employment or to purchase goods in the immediate vicinity.

Looting and rioting is terrible and indefensible. But it's ridiculous to conclude that the population doesn't care about its community just because a few terrible people act like idiots and trash the place. Do people in New Hampshire not care about their community? San Francisco? Vancouver? Southern California?

I should have known you would think those are on the same level as what went down last night.... Feel free to stay on topic and post some pictures of the 15-20 local businesses burned to the ground and countless others that were looted in NH and San Francisco and SoCal riots.

I'll hang up and listen.

 

[Godsbrother]

So, for the national chain stores, O'Reilly Auto, Little Ceasar's, etc... what is the upside to rebuilding these stores?

Even if they wanted to good luck getting insurance in that area.

 

[kentric]

Does anyone think there is a white community in America that would destroy it's own community? Seriously, think about it.

Donner Party didn't work out too well.

Weak effort here Gawain.

 

[[icon]]

Do people in New Hampshire not care about their community?

This paticular link doesn't work for me (getting an "old browser" message). But I've seen references to the "Pumpkin Riot" a few times in this thread. Before I read any details: was that really comparable to Ferguson in any way?

Off to Google.

Of course not... that won't stop Tobias from googling every riot involving white people he can find, without even considering it's relevance to the discussion at hand (lawless theft and destruction of local businesses within your own community), though.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Do people in New Hampshire not care about their community?

This paticular link doesn't work for me (getting an "old browser" message). But I've seen references to the "Pumpkin Riot" a few times in this thread. Before I read any details: was that really comparable to Ferguson in any way?

Off to Google.

From the article:

Young people chucked beer cans and cups at each other, jumped off roofs, tore down, kicked and smashed road signs, set a large fire and chanted profanity, celebrated on top of a flipped car, took selfies in front of lines of riot police, got the attention of a police helicopter, chanted "U-S-A!", pushed barricades and threw a street sign at police, threw bottles at the police after the police threw tear gas, and left behind a huge mess.

Not the same level of damage, of course. Of course, not really the same situation, either. Authoritarian police behavior revolving around a controversial shooting vs a pumpkin festival.

 

[tom22406]

I wonder how many of those people were from Ferguson that did the damage and how many outsiders actually just came in to tear #### up?

People walking around with masks on(to clearly hide identity even though a few were sporting gas masks)had to be very unsettling before the grand jury even made the announcement but with all the leaks the outcome seemed to be already known so the ones who came for trouble soon got their wish.

Feel really bad for the hard working people in that community and the business owners that had to watch a whole life's worth of hard work go up in flames or torn apart.

 

[Rick James]

Why is the black community rallying their cause around a thug? There are so many racial injustices in this country. Pick a better one to to rally around. Don't pick the guy who robs a store, assaults the store owner, punches a cop in the cop car, then bull rushes a cop. Then to go riot and burn innocent people's busineses. Makes you wonder.

yep

 

[Harry Manback]

So, for the national chain stores, O'Reilly Auto, Little Ceasar's, etc... what is the upside to rebuilding these stores?

None, they won't rebuild. Ferguson is destroying itself in spite of itself.

So proud.

 

[TenTimes]

I wonder how many of those people were from Ferguson that did the damage and how many outsiders actually just came in to tear #### up?

My thought exactly. The looters wore their masks while gathering waiting for the verdict, they weren't exactly being inconspicuous.

That ustreamer Baheem seemed like he was actually there for the right reason (a peaceful protest) and even helped save a couple of the local restaurants. But he stayed back with the police when the looters moved on to McDonalds and the liquor store.

 

[timschochet]

Good morning. I was depressed going to bed last night, but SIDA cheered me up. Best iTough guy post in years.

 

[brianj74]

Why is the black community rallying their cause around a thug? There are so many racial injustices in this country. Pick a better one to to rally around. Don't pick the guy who robs a store, assaults the store owner, punches a cop in the cop car, then bull rushes a cop. Then to go riot and burn innocent people's busineses. Makes you wonder.

 

[saintfool]

Why is the black community rallying their cause around a thug? There are so many racial injustices in this country. Pick a better one to to rally around. Don't pick the guy who robs a store, assaults the store owner, punches a cop in the cop car, then bull rushes a cop. Then to go riot and burn innocent people's busineses. Makes you wonder.

You ####### suck as a human being.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Do people in New Hampshire not care about their community?

This paticular link doesn't work for me (getting an "old browser" message). But I've seen references to the "Pumpkin Riot" a few times in this thread. Before I read any details: was that really comparable to Ferguson in any way?

Off to Google.

Of course not... that won't stop Tobias from googling every riot involving white people he can find, without even considering it's relevance to the discussion at hand (lawless theft and destruction of local businesses within your own community), though.

There are a lot of differences- scope/extent of damage on the one hand, the cause of the riots (perceived injustice and authoritarian police behavior vs. sports results) on the other. My point wasn't that those places are bad, or that everyone riots. My point was that few dozen terrible people reacting poorly to some trigger event doesn't equate to a terrible community that doesn't care about its well-being and its businesses.

I'm not really in the mood for an ifight today. I thought I'd post about how maybe would be cool if there was a fundraiser to help the local businesses there- hoping that maybe there already was one, or that there would be one soon and someone would remember I asked about it and post the link here when it happened. If you want to play angry internet guy today you'll have to find someone else to argue with.