Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (1 Viewer)

[General Tso]

Hey Rick6668, please explain what physical evidence there is that Brown charged Wilson? That's what I wrote I wasn't buying.

When you examine the foot impressions Brown left in the pavement and measure the distance between them, you have your answer.JFC. There is no physical evidence of that on pavement. There can't be. There is eyewitness testimony. Just wondering when you guys are going to jump on the 'they must have paid these people off to make those statements' angle.

You are absolutely, 100% wrong. There is plenty of physical evidence, and all of it is consistent with Brown walking (or "charging", whatever word you want to use) towards Wilson. There are blood spatter patterns. The first one is 35 fee away from Wilson and the last one is 8 feet away. And all the entrance wounds were to the front of Brown's body (contrary to Brown's friend, who continues to assert that he was shot in the back while walking away). The physical evidence is conclusive, which is why the grand jury didn't indict. If Michael Brown listened to Wilson's commands and simply stayed put, he wouldn't have been shot.

No, I'm not. They already said that they could not tell if he was running or walking towards Wilson based on the blood on the ground.

Does it matter? If a 6'4" behemoth, who just assaulted you (and this fact is not in dispute - everyone agrees that there was an altercation in the vehicle) does not heed your commands to freeze, and walks towards you with your gun drawn... Wtf do you expect the cop to do? Seriously - people have lost their ####### minds here.

 

[lod01]

For the record, I am a bleeding heart liberal, dyed in the wool Kennedy Democrat, and I am 100% supportive of Officer Wilson in this case. The Left has gone WAY off the rails on this one, and it is going to do nothing but hurt the liberal cause and result in moving more people to right side of the political spectrum.

For the record I am right down the middle. Always have been. I hate using the term but I would say conservative democrat.

I could not agree more with your post

Go with 'independent' and disassociate yourself with these two cults. You will feel better.

 

[GoBirds]

Hey Rick6668, please explain what physical evidence there is that Brown charged Wilson? That's what I wrote I wasn't buying.

When you examine the foot impressions Brown left in the pavement and measure the distance between them, you have your answer.JFC. There is no physical evidence of that on pavement. There can't be. There is eyewitness testimony. Just wondering when you guys are going to jump on the 'they must have paid these people off to make those statements' angle.

You are absolutely, 100% wrong. There is plenty of physical evidence, and all of it is consistent with Brown walking (or "charging", whatever word you want to use) towards Wilson. There are blood spatter patterns. The first one is 35 fee away from Wilson and the last one is 8 feet away. And all the entrance wounds were to the front of Brown's body (contrary to Brown's friend, who continues to assert that he was shot in the back while walking away). The physical evidence is conclusive, which is why the grand jury didn't indict. If Michael Brown listened to Wilson's commands and simply stayed put, he wouldn't have been shot.

No, I'm not. They already said that they could not tell if he was running or walking towards Wilson based on the blood on the ground.

Does it matter? If a 6'4" behemoth, who just assaulted you (and this fact is not in dispute - everyone agrees that there was an altercation in the vehicle) does not heed your commands to freeze, and walks towards you with your gun drawn... Wtf do you expect the cop to do? Seriously - people have lost their ####### minds here.

Totally agree, don't see how some people defend this.

 

[lod01]

Hey Rick6668, please explain what physical evidence there is that Brown charged Wilson? That's what I wrote I wasn't buying.

When you examine the foot impressions Brown left in the pavement and measure the distance between them, you have your answer.JFC. There is no physical evidence of that on pavement. There can't be. There is eyewitness testimony. Just wondering when you guys are going to jump on the 'they must have paid these people off to make those statements' angle.

You are absolutely, 100% wrong. There is plenty of physical evidence, and all of it is consistent with Brown walking (or "charging", whatever word you want to use) towards Wilson. There are blood spatter patterns. The first one is 35 fee away from Wilson and the last one is 8 feet away. And all the entrance wounds were to the front of Brown's body (contrary to Brown's friend, who continues to assert that he was shot in the back while walking away). The physical evidence is conclusive, which is why the grand jury didn't indict. If Michael Brown listened to Wilson's commands and simply stayed put, he wouldn't have been shot.

No, I'm not. They already said that they could not tell if he was running or walking towards Wilson based on the blood on the ground.

Does it matter? If a 6'4" behemoth, who just assaulted you (and this fact is not in dispute - everyone agrees that there was an altercation in the vehicle) does not heed your commands to freeze, and walks towards you with your gun drawn... Wtf do you expect the cop to do? Seriously - people have lost their ####### minds here.

You are barking at the wrong guy here. I agree that he was coming at Wilson but the physical evidence doesn't conclude that he was running or not. The eye witness testimony is what does. I expected the cop to do exactly what he did in this case and that is kill a guy coming at him.

 

[Gawain]

Kobe Bryant's still a better looter in a riot than any of these Ferguson folks.

 

[Henry Ford]

Didn't the cop have bruises on his face and neck from the beating Brown was giving him? The cop seemed to have acted the way he should have and Brown pretty much sealed his own fate by his actions.

I have similar bruises on my leg from bumping into the coffee table this morning. Shot that ###### six times before I left the house.

Did this inanimate object try to grab your gun first and later charge you head-on?

That's my story.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

SaintsinDome2006

I wouldn't necessarily call myself a conservative, but I am definitely on the right side of the political spectrum.

I think there are a ton of police brutality issues where officers are not punished for their wrongful actions. I think there are many cops who lie and massage reports to fit the narrative they need to get off. I think the officers in the Kelly Thomas murder, not killing, should be in prison.

Here is my beef with Officer Wilson and where I think much more attention should be focused. His initial contact with Brown is troubling. I could easily envision a scenario where he approached Brown in the middle of the street and said something is a rather abrasive or authoritarian manner. I have had numerous instances where officers approached me and their initial contact/tone was authoritative/quasi threatening. The problem with many police officers is that they treat every person they deal with like they are a a dirtbag. It is highly infuriating.

Putting my little feud with Sprouts aside...I agree with some of the sentiments he expressed with the tone/manner in which they have behaved towards him.

Now, after that initial contact, there really isn't anything I can really blame/fault the officer for doing. But, had Wilson just drove on by and dealt with more pressing matters than trying to scold Brown for walking in the street or playing the authoritarian card...then I think the situation probably would have been different.

I'm fully familiar with police corruption, and "bad cops". It's real here. But I have just always had a hard time understanding why a cop with no such background would just haul off and shoot someone 10 yards away unless he really thought it was necessary.

I want to make sure I am following you. Are you referring to what compelled Wilson to shoot Brown from a distance of 10 yards?

Yes I am talking about Wilson's alleged motive from those who wish to see him prosecuted. What's the charge? Murder, manslaughter or negligence homicide? And what's the motive if its murder? Racial animus? Based on what?

According to the Brown family lawyer last night the use of the term "demonic" is clearly indicative of racial animus.

And what do you think of that?

Laughable - the only thought that came to mind was way back in the day references to white devil or black devil. Definitely a stretch.

 

[dickey moe]

Didn't the cop have bruises on his face and neck from the beating Brown was giving him? The cop seemed to have acted the way he should have and Brown pretty much sealed his own fate by his actions.

I have similar bruises on my leg from bumping into the coffee table this morning. Shot that ###### six times before I left the house.

Did this inanimate object try to grab your gun first and later charge you head-on?

That's my story.

Along with eyewitness testimony from an ottoman and a fork that fell on the floor. Congrats, you won't be charged!

 

[TobiasFunke]

Didn't the cop have bruises on his face and neck from the beating Brown was giving him? The cop seemed to have acted the way he should have and Brown pretty much sealed his own fate by his actions.

I have similar bruises on my leg from bumping into the coffee table this morning. Shot that ###### six times before I left the house.

Did this inanimate object try to grab your gun first and later charge you head-on?

That's my story.

Surprised you're willing to tell your story so quickly. Sure you don't need a couple of months?

 

[General Tso]

Didn't the cop have bruises on his face and neck from the beating Brown was giving him? The cop seemed to have acted the way he should have and Brown pretty much sealed his own fate by his actions.

I have similar bruises on my leg from bumping into the coffee table this morning. Shot that ###### six times before I left the house.

Did this inanimate object try to grab your gun first and later charge you head-on?

That's my story.

Along with eyewitness testimony from an ottoman and a fork that fell on the floor. Congrats, you won't be charged!

But the grand jury wouldn't believe the testimony of an ottoman. Turkish racism.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'll put the over/under at one for the amount of people who changed their minds because of this thread.

There is so much information and disinformation out there you can rationalize just about any viewpoint. And that's just for the minority that's willing to try and be informed at all.

No GJ or even a trial would have done much to change that.

Exactly. The Zimmerman trial didn't seem to change any minds if you followed that thread.

I thought Zimmerman was a POS but I had zero problem with the verdict. I suspect that if this had gone to trial I would have reached the same conclusion about Wilson. I also understand why the community is angry because it sure looks like the prosecutor turned the grand jury, almost always a rubber-stamp proceeding, into a trial on the merits without the benefit of an attorney actually prosecuting the accused (no cross-examination of witnesses, no opening/closing arguments asking for a conviction, etc). I wouldn't have felt that way if there was a jury trial that had all that stuff and the guy was found innocent. My guess is that there's a decent number of people who feel the same.

If the prosecutor had decided never to even bring this to a grand jury, would your have been okay with that outcome? (Not arguing, just trying to get a feel for where you're coming from).

 

[kentric]

Anyone see this video of a driver running their car through a crowd of protestors after they swarm the vehicle and running over at least one person?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJiRoRtdiSg

I am sure some of the more sane posters in this thread would have simply stopped the car, allowed the mob to beat the #### out of it and then snatch them out of the vehicle rather than risk taking another person's life...I mean, their life has value and all.

watching it again there is a few cars in the upper screen...im thinking this was someone who was sitting in traffic and figured they would just try and drive thru the crowd thinking they would move outa the way...then when some people fell down and got pinned under the car the crowd swarmed ...the the person panicked and took off running over even more people

You don't see the smashed windshield? Its pretty obvious the people around his car weren't just sipping coffee having a nice chat. This reminds me of the NYC West Side Hway incident where a bunch of bikers started pounding on this guys car. He ended up running one of the bikers over, paralyzing him. Its easy to see why someone would panic and punch their car into gear in that situation as you have no idea whether the people smashing in your window are going to pull you out of the car and kill you.

 

[ditka311]

Fair enough. I can buy that. I would suggest that the full blown charge was fabricated afterward.

Riffing off that point, here's me speculating:

A fullblown charge is completely unnecessary to establish a fight-or-flight scenario here. Let's rewind the speculation tape back to where Brown first wheeled around. Call it 35-40 feet from Wilson to average out the varying testimonies as to distance.

At that fleeting moment, Brown would not have to charge to communicate menace and ill intent. Even a slow-walk approach with threatening facial/body language would maintain and build up the flight-or-flight reptilian-brain instincts in Wilson. Think of Brown perhaps thinking "Are you really going to shoot me, MF-er?!?" as he makes a deliberate, threatening approach towards Wilson. Maybe Brown -- in his own fight-or-flight state after the gun discharge in the car -- thought to himself that Wilson's gun was empty, Or that Wilson wouldn't dare fire rounds in front of witnesses in daylight,

Again, I'm totally speculating here. But there are ways to think about the situation that can plausibly explain what went down. Can't prove it, of course. But maybe the God's-eye-view scenario was only a little nonsensical, and not ridiculously far-fetched.

Another plausible scenario, and yet another reason that this should have gone to trial. We needed the full public process on this one.

MC you keep saying this over and over about a trial--so what would you have had him charge?

The way I see it he had 3 choices in this case:

1) Review the evidence and come to the conclusion he can't bring anything and announce no charges--which would have elicited howls and screams that he isn't being transparent and hiding something.

2) Bring some lesser charges which would have elicited howls and screams that he is not being charged with murder. Further these charges (at least with the evidence as presented in the transcripts) would have had zero chance of sticking.

3) Go the route he did and show the grand jury and the world every scintilla of evidence to allow them to make a decision.

Option 2, I guess manslaughter, but I'm no expert on lesser charges in Missouri. And yes, I think he likely get an acquittal with only the presented evidence to the grand jury. However, from the evidence that I've seen released to the public so far (there are many skipped Witness #'s in the interview list), I think a trial would have been incredibly beneficial to pacifying the situation and getting closer to determining what actually happened that day. I do not personally believe that the prosecuting team in this case had much of an interest in proving Wilson wrong, which should have been their job.

A trial may well have accomplished what you say. That, however, is not the purpose of our criminal justice system. We do not put persons on trial for their life or liberty because in the course of spending their fortune and time defending themselves from charges which do not rise to probable cause it would help elucidate a social issue.

 

[Todem]

I'll put the over/under at one for the amount of people who changed their minds because of this thread.

There is so much information and disinformation out there you can rationalize just about any viewpoint. And that's just for the minority that's willing to try and be informed at all.

No GJ or even a trial would have done much to change that.

Exactly. The Zimmerman trial didn't seem to change any minds if you followed that thread.

I thought Zimmerman was a POS but I had zero problem with the verdict. I suspect that if this had gone to trial I would have reached the same conclusion about Wilson. I also understand why the community is angry because it sure looks like the prosecutor turned the grand jury, almost always a rubber-stamp proceeding, into a trial on the merits without the benefit of an attorney actually prosecuting the accused (no cross-examination of witnesses, no opening/closing arguments asking for a conviction, etc). I wouldn't have felt that way if there was a jury trial that had all that stuff and the guy was found innocent. My guess is that there's a decent number of people who feel the same.

If the prosecutor had decided never to even bring this to a grand jury, would your have been okay with that outcome? (Not arguing, just trying to get a feel for where you're coming from).

Ivan,,,,it's all rigged. That's where he is coming from.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Mike Brown's pastor believes white supremacists burned down his church not the protesters that burned down everything else-

The Missouri church attended by Michael Browns father and his family was one of a dozen or so buildings burned to the ground during Monday nights protests in the wake of a grand jurys decision not to indict Officer Darren Wilson.

While the majority of the buildings destroyed on Monday were in downtown Ferguson, the Flood Christian Church is located some three miles away from the protests in a remote section of Country Club Hills.

Pastor Carlton Lee, who has been a vocal advocate for the Browns since their son was shot in August, has said he believes that white supremacists rather than protesters were to blame for the destruction.

Rev. Lee told NBC News that he believes his church was targeted because he has repeatedly called for the arrest of Officer Wilson.

'I'm very vocal in regards to the Michael Brown case,' said Lee, who has participated in rallies and press conferences with Michael Brown Sr. and claims to have received 71 death threats.

'The police called me and told me the church was on fire,' Lee said. 'I was in complete disbelief. I didn't think anyone would set a church on fire.

He suspects his church was targeted by white supremacists who wanted to punish him for his support of the Brown family.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2849736/Church-attended-Michael-Brown-s-family-destroyed-Monday-night-s-protests.html

Denial and madness continues. It's is unreal.

It is a great cover story for insurance fraud. Father needs new pews.

That one is going straight to SIU and I would not be looking for white supremacists.

 

[Henry Ford]

Didn't the cop have bruises on his face and neck from the beating Brown was giving him? The cop seemed to have acted the way he should have and Brown pretty much sealed his own fate by his actions.

I have similar bruises on my leg from bumping into the coffee table this morning. Shot that ###### six times before I left the house.

Did this inanimate object try to grab your gun first and later charge you head-on?

That's my story.

Along with eyewitness testimony from an ottoman and a fork that fell on the floor. Congrats, you won't be charged!

My wife says it happened differently, but her testimony is inconsistent with the physical evidence.

 

[kentric]

Look here's the part that doesn't make sense to me: if Brown assaulted Wilson at the car with the intent to kill Wilson, why didn't he finish it right there. Why did he walk or run away at least 30 feet, wait until Wilson got out of the car with his gun in hand and then charge Wilson at full speed as bullets are flying past him? No matter how many times I hear this scenario, I just can't see it happening.

Doesn't it make much more sense that Brown, who was a stupid thug, tried to punch Wilson, maybe even went for Wilson's gun, failed and got shot in the hand, took off and fled, so Wilson got out of the car, yells at Brown to stop, Brown turns around, and Wilson in a state of fury and fear shoots him dead? That's a story I can buy. I don't even particularly blame Wilson (though it would be a wrongful death). But this charging stuff has got to be nonsense.

You answer your own question (why didn't he finish it right there?) with your second paragraph. He got shot and took off.

Seems that only a short period of time passed during this whole event. You say that Brown ran away 30 feet and waited until Wilson got out of the car. Could have played out much more rapidly. Brown takes off, Wilson jumps right out after him. Brown figures he's no runner (290 lber) and figures maybe I can get away by knocking the cop out before help arrives.

The hypothetical above is just one of a number of reasons why Brown came back toward Wilson. The physical evidence looked to support Brown coming toward Wilson. The blood trail moved toward Wilson, not away. Only questions are why/how he came back.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'll put the over/under at one for the amount of people who changed their minds because of this thread.

There is so much information and disinformation out there you can rationalize just about any viewpoint. And that's just for the minority that's willing to try and be informed at all.

No GJ or even a trial would have done much to change that.

Exactly. The Zimmerman trial didn't seem to change any minds if you followed that thread.

I thought Zimmerman was a POS but I had zero problem with the verdict. I suspect that if this had gone to trial I would have reached the same conclusion about Wilson. I also understand why the community is angry because it sure looks like the prosecutor turned the grand jury, almost always a rubber-stamp proceeding, into a trial on the merits without the benefit of an attorney actually prosecuting the accused (no cross-examination of witnesses, no opening/closing arguments asking for a conviction, etc). I wouldn't have felt that way if there was a jury trial that had all that stuff and the guy was found innocent. My guess is that there's a decent number of people who feel the same.

If the prosecutor had decided never to even bring this to a grand jury, would your have been okay with that outcome? (Not arguing, just trying to get a feel for where you're coming from).

I said I would have been OK with that yesterday, assuming he gave a clear and detailed explanation as to why he decided not to to do so.. That's the role of the prosecutor at that stage of the proceedings. It's not the role of the prosecutor once the grand jury proceeding begins. Doing it this way left the impression that the fix was in.

The problem of course is that it wouldn't have been OK with the community. If I was in his shoes and reached the same conclusion after review of the evidence I would have made arrangements for some sort of other gestures to the community that I could announce at the same time I announced the decision. Push to get cameras on cars, plea for Wilson to donate that ridiculous fund for his defense to a worthy cause that works with the black community, seek changes in police procedure to require the timely filing of detailed reports any time an officer discharges a weapon or uses force, etc. Try to sugar-coat it instead of coming out sounding like a defense lawyer, which is the opposite of the job description.

 

[The General]

For the record, I am a bleeding heart liberal, dyed in the wool Kennedy Democrat, and I am 100% supportive of Officer Wilson in this case. The Left has gone WAY off the rails on this one, and it is going to do nothing but hurt the liberal cause and result in moving more people to right side of the political spectrum.

I feel the same and am also very liberal. I haven't followed this nearly as closely as you have but can't wrap my head around what is going on here. Keep assuming there are aspects to this story I am missing or am reading some ultra conservative blog of what happened.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'll put the over/under at one for the amount of people who changed their minds because of this thread.

There is so much information and disinformation out there you can rationalize just about any viewpoint. And that's just for the minority that's willing to try and be informed at all.

No GJ or even a trial would have done much to change that.

Exactly. The Zimmerman trial didn't seem to change any minds if you followed that thread.

I thought Zimmerman was a POS but I had zero problem with the verdict. I suspect that if this had gone to trial I would have reached the same conclusion about Wilson. I also understand why the community is angry because it sure looks like the prosecutor turned the grand jury, almost always a rubber-stamp proceeding, into a trial on the merits without the benefit of an attorney actually prosecuting the accused (no cross-examination of witnesses, no opening/closing arguments asking for a conviction, etc). I wouldn't have felt that way if there was a jury trial that had all that stuff and the guy was found innocent. My guess is that there's a decent number of people who feel the same.

If the prosecutor had decided never to even bring this to a grand jury, would your have been okay with that outcome? (Not arguing, just trying to get a feel for where you're coming from).

I said I would have been OK with that yesterday, assuming he gave a clear and detailed explanation as to why he decided not to to do so.. That's the role of the prosecutor at that stage of the proceedings. It's not the role of the prosecutor once the grand jury proceeding begins. Doing it this way left the impression that the fix was in.

The problem of course is that it wouldn't have been OK with the community. If I was in his shoes and reached the same conclusion after review of the evidence I would have made arrangements for some sort of other gestures to the community that I could announce at the same time I announced the decision. Push to get cameras on cars, plea for Wilson to donate that ridiculous fund for his defense to a worthy cause that works with the black community, seek changes in police procedure to require the timely filing of detailed reports any time an officer discharges a weapon or uses force, etc. Try to sugar-coat it instead of coming out sounding like a defense lawyer, which is the opposite of the job description.

Okay. I missed that yesterday.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Anyone see this video of a driver running their car through a crowd of protestors after they swarm the vehicle and running over at least one person?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJiRoRtdiSg

I am sure some of the more sane posters in this thread would have simply stopped the car, allowed the mob to beat the #### out of it and then snatch them out of the vehicle rather than risk taking another person's life...I mean, their life has value and all.

watching it again there is a few cars in the upper screen...im thinking this was someone who was sitting in traffic and figured they would just try and drive thru the crowd thinking they would move outa the way...then when some people fell down and got pinned under the car the crowd swarmed ...the the person panicked and took off running over even more people

You don't see the smashed windshield? Its pretty obvious the people around his car weren't just sipping coffee having a nice chat. This reminds me of the NYC West Side Hway incident where a bunch of bikers started pounding on this guys car. He ended up running one of the bikers over, paralyzing him. Its easy to see why someone would panic and punch their car into gear in that situation as you have no idea whether the people smashing in your window are going to pull you out of the car and kill you.

Driver absolutely panicked and was probably terrified. Every person on the planet should be afraid for their life after an angry rioting group of crazy people swarm their car. Rational people don't behave that way.

If you are gonna block streets, you kind of waive the right to get upset if you get hit by a car. If you attack a car and get run over, you should be arrested in your hospital bed.

 

[kentric]

BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE!

Tim think about it philosophically -- why should it necesarily make sense? Nonsensical things -- mostly mundane, a few profound -- happend with frequency in daily life. Why should the Michael Brown shooting be especially exempt from nonsensicality (if I may coin a word)?

This is all true, but it also makes no sense within the pattern of specific events which occurred in this instance. Furthermore, we already know that whenever a police officer is involved in a questionable shooting, the explanation given by the officer is always that the victim was life threatening "reaching for his gun" etc. in this instance Wilson testified that Brown, while charging was reaching into his waistband, presumably for a gun. But if Brown had a gun, why didn't he produce it at the car? And if Brown had a gun, why is he charging? Does any of this make sense to you? It only makes sense to me within the context of Wilson saying whatever he can to justify a quick shooting that might not have been warranted.

Whether he was reaching into his pant or not, that would not preclude the shooting of Brown being self defense. You always bring up these hypotheticals as a means to justify your confusion. In each case, while the actions of Brown and Wilson may not make sense, they happened. Either they didn't make sense for Brown to go back toward Wilson (even though physical evidence appears to support this) or they didn't make sense for Wilson to shoot Brown in cold blood. At the end of the day, events occured which wouldn't have occured if people acted rationally. Things happen which do not make sense.

 

[Henry Ford]

Link

Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

 

[General Tso]

FWIW, here is what I think happened. After the confrontation in the car, Brown walked away. Wilson got out of his car, drew his gun, and ordered Brown to freeze. Brown stopped, raised his hands, and turned around to face Wilson. He started walking towards Wilson, probably trying to look tough, or maybe to see if he could intimidate him into getting back into his car and taking off (ie - he was testing Wilson). Brown probably even had his hands up when he was walking towards him. When Brown got to 35 feet away, Wilson fired a shot or two and hit Brown, initially stunning him and causing him to pause momentarily. Brown's anger then takes over and with all the energy he has left he tries to charge Wilson, at which point the fatal last shots are fired.

So assuming this is correct, does anyone have any problem with the way Wilson responded?

 

[Smack Tripper]

For the record, I am a bleeding heart liberal, dyed in the wool Kennedy Democrat, and I am 100% supportive of Officer Wilson in this case. The Left has gone WAY off the rails on this one, and it is going to do nothing but hurt the liberal cause and result in moving more people to right side of the political spectrum.

I'm with you all the way. I do think our policing has gotten needlessly aggressive and intrusive and militarized but the defense of brown seems brown seems like right church wrong pew.

Brown was an idiot, and that isn't a sin or a crime, when were 18 most of us were idiots. But being an idiot doesn't absolve you of responsibility in this life. Brown did this to brown, not Wilson. Can even imagine attacking a policeman and going for their gun in this kind of situation.

It's to the point if the character witnesses are to be believed at all, I find it hard to believe he wasn't on pcp or something but the toxicology came back clean.

 

[Henry Ford]

Link

Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

She's added this as well.

Another cross-exam Q NOT asked of Wilson: how'd Mike Brown punch you w his right hand on right side of your face as you sat in drivers seat?

 

[squistion]

Link

Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

Lisa Bloom @LisaBloom

How Wilson shd have been cross-ex'd: how did Brown solidly, "full force" punch you 2x in face, & yet you have no injuries to reflect that?

 

[Bucky86]

Link

Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

Lisa Bloom @LisaBloom

How Wilson shd have been cross-ex'd: how did Brown solidly, "full force" punch you 2x in face, & yet you have no injuries to reflect that?

Can anyone pull up the autopsy ofMike Brown and see what they say about his hands? Did HE have bruising?

 

[Two Deep]

Link

Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

She's added this as well.

Another cross-exam Q NOT asked of Wilson: how'd Mike Brown punch you w his right hand on right side of your face as you sat in drivers seat?

Well, when he started struggling with me, I turned to face him to defend myself, and he punched me and his right hand hit me on the right side of my face....any other questions?

 

[Bucky86]

Link

Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

She's added this as well.

Another cross-exam Q NOT asked of Wilson: how'd Mike Brown punch you w his right hand on right side of your face as you sat in drivers seat?

Well, when he started struggling with me, I turned to face him to defend myself, and he punched me and his right hand hit me on the right side of my face....any other questions?

It's like the magic bullet except with his hand

 

[TobiasFunke]

For the record, I am a bleeding heart liberal, dyed in the wool Kennedy Democrat, and I am 100% supportive of Officer Wilson in this case. The Left has gone WAY off the rails on this one, and it is going to do nothing but hurt the liberal cause and result in moving more people to right side of the political spectrum.

I'm with you all the way. I do think our policing has gotten needlessly aggressive and intrusive and militarized but the defense of brown seems brown seems like right church wrong pew.

Brown was an idiot, and that isn't a sin or a crime, when were 18 most of us were idiots. But being an idiot doesn't absolve you of responsibility in this life. Brown did this to brown, not Wilson. Can even imagine attacking a policeman and going for their gun in this kind of situation.

It's to the point if the character witnesses are to be believed at all, I find it hard to believe he wasn't on pcp or something but the toxicology came back clean.

I've said this a bunch of times and I'll say it again: the protests and anger aren't based on the facts of the case as we know them. They're based on the many, many failures of law enforcement and the local government after the incident, which gave the community good reason to doubt the facts of the case as we know them (since they're being presented by law enforcement and the local government) and to respond with anger.

Now, with more information and testimony on hand, I can take a step back from a thousand miles away and conclude that this may well have been a justifiable shooting. But there's no way you can reasonably expect the local community to take that step back and reach a logical conclusion when the authorities behaved the way they did in the days and weeks after the incident. That ship sailed a looooong time ago.

 

[Two Deep]

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Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

She's added this as well.

Another cross-exam Q NOT asked of Wilson: how'd Mike Brown punch you w his right hand on right side of your face as you sat in drivers seat?

Well, when he started struggling with me, I turned to face him to defend myself, and he punched me and his right hand hit me on the right side of my face....any other questions?

It's like the magic bullet except with his hand

So if he is facing the window it is not possible to be punched on the right side of his face with the combatants right hand?

 

[Henry Ford]

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Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

She's added this as well.

Another cross-exam Q NOT asked of Wilson: how'd Mike Brown punch you w his right hand on right side of your face as you sat in drivers seat?

Well, when he started struggling with me, I turned to face him to defend myself, and he punched me and his right hand hit me on the right side of my face....any other questions?

You should probably run through the physics of that for a moment.

 

[Two Deep]

Link

Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

Lisa Bloom @LisaBloom

How Wilson shd have been cross-ex'd: how did Brown solidly, "full force" punch you 2x in face, & yet you have no injuries to reflect that?

I apparently can take a punch and do not bruise easily...any other questions.

 

[General Tso]

For the record, I am a bleeding heart liberal, dyed in the wool Kennedy Democrat, and I am 100% supportive of Officer Wilson in this case. The Left has gone WAY off the rails on this one, and it is going to do nothing but hurt the liberal cause and result in moving more people to right side of the political spectrum.

I feel the same and am also very liberal. I haven't followed this nearly as closely as you have but can't wrap my head around what is going on here. Keep assuming there are aspects to this story I am missing or am reading some ultra conservative blog of what happened.

I know, it's crazy isn't it? I keep thinking the same thing, that there is something I must be missing here... That's the scary part of this. This case seems to have exposed something very unseemly that has been festering within the minority community the last 10 years or so. Don't get me wrong, there are legitimate issues of policing, especially when it comes to minorities, that absolutely need to be addressed. But this isn't the case to do it with. It's just that simple. I'm sure there are plenty of better examples out there for the Left to use in highlighting the legitimate issues that need to be addressed. But what's sad is the number of people in this country that now have such skewed views of accountability and entitlement. Maybe it's a natural side effect of the Obama years. I don know. By it sure is interesting.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Anyone see this video of a driver running their car through a crowd of protestors after they swarm the vehicle and running over at least one person?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJiRoRtdiSg

I am sure some of the more sane posters in this thread would have simply stopped the car, allowed the mob to beat the #### out of it and then snatch them out of the vehicle rather than risk taking another person's life...I mean, their life has value and all.

watching it again there is a few cars in the upper screen...im thinking this was someone who was sitting in traffic and figured they would just try and drive thru the crowd thinking they would move outa the way...then when some people fell down and got pinned under the car the crowd swarmed ...the the person panicked and took off running over even more people

You don't see the smashed windshield? Its pretty obvious the people around his car weren't just sipping coffee having a nice chat. This reminds me of the NYC West Side Hway incident where a bunch of bikers started pounding on this guys car. He ended up running one of the bikers over, paralyzing him. Its easy to see why someone would panic and punch their car into gear in that situation as you have no idea whether the people smashing in your window are going to pull you out of the car and kill you.

when i said swarm thats what i meant...they attacked the car...im not saying they didnt

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Excellent photo of Wilson's injuries.

 

[Two Deep]

Link

Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

She's added this as well.

Another cross-exam Q NOT asked of Wilson: how'd Mike Brown punch you w his right hand on right side of your face as you sat in drivers seat?

Well, when he started struggling with me, I turned to face him to defend myself, and he punched me and his right hand hit me on the right side of my face....any other questions?

You should probably run through the physics of that for a moment.

Again..Are you saying if a person is facing their side window they cannot be punched on the right side of center, the right cheek by someone right hand.

 

[Henry Ford]

Link

Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

She's added this as well.

Another cross-exam Q NOT asked of Wilson: how'd Mike Brown punch you w his right hand on right side of your face as you sat in drivers seat?

Well, when he started struggling with me, I turned to face him to defend myself, and he punched me and his right hand hit me on the right side of my face....any other questions?

It's like the magic bullet except with his hand

So if he is facing the window it is not possible to be punched on the right side of his face with the combatants right hand?

Link

Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

Lisa Bloom @LisaBloom

How Wilson shd have been cross-ex'd: how did Brown solidly, "full force" punch you 2x in face, & yet you have no injuries to reflect that?

I apparently can take a punch and do not bruise easily...any other questions.

I'm pretty sure this answer in a grand jury is going to get you indicted. You're better off with "I don't know. Let's get to the part where I blindly fired my weapon without looking."

 

[Henry Ford]

Link

Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

She's added this as well.

Another cross-exam Q NOT asked of Wilson: how'd Mike Brown punch you w his right hand on right side of your face as you sat in drivers seat?

Well, when he started struggling with me, I turned to face him to defend myself, and he punched me and his right hand hit me on the right side of my face....any other questions?

You should probably run through the physics of that for a moment.

Again..Are you saying if a person is facing their side window they cannot be punched on the right side of center.

No, I'm saying that in explaining his body position at the time it happened, he's going to have to tell a more complex story than the one that he rehearsed for the grand jury. Which is why questioning gets in depth like that.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Link

Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

Lisa Bloom @LisaBloom

How Wilson shd have been cross-ex'd: how did Brown solidly, "full force" punch you 2x in face, & yet you have no injuries to reflect that?

I apparently can take a punch and do not bruise easily...any other questions.

i wonder what a 5 year olds face would look like if Hulk hogan was punching him

 

[Henry Ford]

Link

Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

Lisa Bloom @LisaBloom

How Wilson shd have been cross-ex'd: how did Brown solidly, "full force" punch you 2x in face, & yet you have no injuries to reflect that?

I apparently can take a punch and do not bruise easily...any other questions.

i wonder what a 5 year olds face would look like if Hulk hogan was punching him

Or Eli Manning's face if JPP was punching him.

 

[Sand]

Link

Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

She's added this as well.

Another cross-exam Q NOT asked of Wilson: how'd Mike Brown punch you w his right hand on right side of your face as you sat in drivers seat?

Well, when he started struggling with me, I turned to face him to defend myself, and he punched me and his right hand hit me on the right side of my face....any other questions?

You should probably run through the physics of that for a moment.

I have and it stays within Newton's three Laws. Anything else?

 

[lod01]

So far this thread has been a complete KO of the Brown supporters by the Wilson supporters since the GJ results.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So far this thread has been a complete KO of the Brown supporters by the Wilson supporters since the GJ results.

i dont think anyone is actually supporting brown as much as asking how can you justify shooting an unarmed person 6 times from a distance and it doesnt go to trial

 

[Two Deep]

I saw an interview this morning on CNN with two commentators one black and one white...The white guy said something along the lines of, "it makes me physically ill to know that my friend (the black commentator) has to have a talk with his sons about how to act around the police, how to talk, walk etc"....To me this is such a horse #### argument..If you are a white father and you are not teaching your sons how to interact with the police you are just a sorry father...Every father should be saying to their sons and daughters "when confronted by a police officer be respectful and listen to and obey the commands that they are giving you".... Apparently nobody had that talk with Brown....There was not an issue of race in his killing, it was an issue of ignorance and disobedience...The issue of race came afterwards started by the black community.

Excellent posting fellow Ditka fan.

 

[mcintyre1]

So far this thread has been a complete KO of the Brown supporters by the Wilson supporters since the GJ results.

Only in your mind, friend. Only in your mind.

 

[badmojo1006]

Excellent photo of Wilson's injuries.

I keep seeing these pictures and I guess I am missing the injuries

 

[kentric]

Link

Lisa Bloom tweets about the questions faced by Darren Wilson for the grand jury.

Lisa Bloom @LisaBloom

How Wilson shd have been cross-ex'd: how did Brown solidly, "full force" punch you 2x in face, & yet you have no injuries to reflect that?

Not sure how hard Brown could have hit Wilson considering he was either punching through the open window or, leaning into the car throwing punches. He had the elevation, but the leverage would have been weak.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

picture of crime scene showing the start of blood trail to the point where he dropped dead