Todem
Footballguy
I can't stand people like this.I won't get into specifics with you; obviously we disagree on several points. But I will correct you on one thing: my mind is rarely made up on anything, and certainly not on this matter. My whole position has been predicated on the basis that I don't know what happened here.Tim,,I disagree with many of your conclusions here, but I do think you make some very good points nonetheless. Despite your characterization of me which I find misguided, I regard you as a worthy and insightful person on discussion of this topic.You know I respect Tobias and Henry Ford. They are solid posters and solid rational people. But everyone on internet boards has an opinion. Some are outrageous, some make a lot of sense. And some are utter trolling and BS (Tim..cough Tim..cough)If everything about this case was the exact same except Darren Wilson was black instead of white would the anger over the incident be the same? If not, then how the police handled the incident was not the key to the anger.And Tobias is also correct. The key to the anger over this incident is how the police handled it, especially immediately afterward.
I agree with Tobias that there is a lot of the anger about the process. I believe you are hearing that from most intelligent, normal people. I respect Henry's real life experience as a lawyer and dealing with police corruption etc. It's great to have people who have real life experience and share that. I also tend to try and contribute as well in other area's on this board (Stocks, investing, video games, music and of course FF) but I can get hot, emotional and sometimes crass and be an ####### just like any human being can. And for that I apologize to some members here in the community. I am a passionate person, with strong morals and beliefs and sometimes these type of threads can get heated, emotional and lead to some things we don't want to really say...but they come out.
But don't tell me the majority of the protests (especially in Ferguson) are not about the perception that an 18 year old black teenager held his hands up to clearly surrender and was gunned down in cold blood and the police lied about everything, covered it up, or whatever you want to believe. Now the Police department did nothing to instill confidence in the community. Agreed. Their actions were not great the moment he hit the ground, agreed. I never disagreed with any of that. My bone was always about the incredible lack of common sense people in this country are displaying, and teaching their kids. It's crazy. Hate breeds hate. Ignorance breeds ignorance. And criminals breed criminals (hence the 9-10 year old kids I witnessed on TV the night of the rioting after the no indictment news came down, watching their parents loot stores SMH.)
Also the lack of common sense being used with the real physical evidence we have coupled with credible testimony. We can sit here and debate who is credible who is not....till we are blue in the face. But if you're really using your common sense (not talking about Tim as he obviously has little to zero unless that is his internet schtick and his attempt to keep his street cred as an internal troll because Tim is exactly that and this thread proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt) I truly believe most reasonable human beings are coming to the conclusion that The officer had little choice but to fire his weapon and unfortunately kill a young man. It was a tragedy. One that could have easily been prevented by Michael Brown just doing what he was told to do by an officer of the law. And the race card being played on this case it appalling. If this were a black police officer...this would have been a non-story. Guaranteed. If it were a black police officer and white kid.....non story guaranteed.
Anyway. I wanted to get that off my chest as I like the FFA and think there are a lot great posters and topics and all kinds of silly nonsense we can have fun with. But this was a serious matter and one I do find as a temperature check that in our country there is still an overwhelming feeling black inner city male youths are still oppressed, targeted and killed and unfortunately I don't think it will ever change. As long as that message is being instilled by each and every generation of inner city African Americans it will never change. Statistics rarely if ever lie.
It's a shame. Under a black president we did not budge towards better race relations in the big picture. It's still black vs white in our country in the inner cities and urban neighborhoods. Call it like I see it. And if a black person assimilate's out of the ghetto, inner city, projects or whatever you want to deem as underprivileged black communities and makes something out of themselves as every person in this country has an opportunity to do...then they are labeled as uncle toms...or not black enough.
It's such a shame. But in my lifetime I don't think this line of thinking is ever going to change. There is far too many skeletons in the closet dating back to the slavery days to overcome, despite the incredible equality black people do truly have in our great country. It's there...go stake your claim (I have a few close friends who did and can't believe the ignorance, laziness and sense of entitlement they are seeing by some of the inner city people black, white, latin does not matter). If you really want it, you can earn it, work for it, strive for it. It's a matter of what you believe and how your raised to think.
OK enough. Moving on.
You're just coming off that way in this thread. You just keep wanting to argue, or discuss, whatever you want to call it. Your mind is made up....we don't have to agree. I don't mind if people disagree. It;s the actions you take in how you disagree that separates people like us from the animals that rioted and looted those innocent hard working business owners property that served their very own community I take the biggest offense with. And of course the riot sympathizers and the people who refuse, just flat out refuse and refute scientific evidence that blows the hands up don't shoot story out of the water. It makes those NFL players look like complete morons putting on that display on Sunday.
Appalling. Just like Mike Pouncey wearing a free Aaron Hernandez hat. Flat out appalling.
You may have the right to do that....that's fine and well. It does not make it the right thing to do nor the smartest.
Idiots.
Wishy-washy people.....sigh. You kill me. You must also be an awful driver.
People earn medals running through machine gun fire.
