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Matt Millen fired (links in posts #31 & #58) (1 Viewer)

I think I'd probably ####can Marinelli straight away.
I don't know. I think you keep him because you'd likely have to promote someone internally to take his place. You'd probably want to hire someone new at the end of the season again anyway. Think of it like the mediocre pitcher in your lineup that you leave in there just to chew up innings.
I guess the question is whether or not to basically concede the season. I know it's not even October yet, but the Lions are done. I'm not sure of the difference between starting over now and starting over in January. They simply cannot play defense and they don't appear to have the offense to score 40 points a game. Was Marinelli a defense guy in TB?
 
I think I'd probably ####can Marinelli straight away.
I don't know. I think you keep him because you'd likely have to promote someone internally to take his place. You'd probably want to hire someone new at the end of the season again anyway. Think of it like the mediocre pitcher in your lineup that you leave in there just to chew up innings.
I guess the question is whether or not to basically concede the season. I know it's not even October yet, but the Lions are done. I'm not sure of the difference between starting over now and starting over in January. They simply cannot play defense and they don't appear to have the offense to score 40 points a game. Was Marinelli a defense guy in TB?
I see what you're saying. If I could find my long term guy to take over at this point in the season, I would.I'm not sure who'd be willing to do that, though.

 
I think I'd probably ####can Marinelli straight away.
I don't know. I think you keep him because you'd likely have to promote someone internally to take his place. You'd probably want to hire someone new at the end of the season again anyway. Think of it like the mediocre pitcher in your lineup that you leave in there just to chew up innings.
plus, i just never think you accomplish much by firing a coach mid seasonjust tape the pink slip on his door when they go out for halftime for the last game of the season
OK, but what do you accomplish by waiting? Again, it seems like the question for Ford is whether or not the season is worth saving. Maybe I'm too quick to throw in the towel, here.
 
I think there is a very good possibility you'll see Roy traded IF a GM is put in place soon.
Incredibly unlikely IMO. He's more valuable to the team than what they could get in trade for him.
He would probably have to be franchised to keep him after this year. It would be crazy to tie that much money in your WRs.
Roy Williams will likely be gone after this year. IMO, their bes bet is to franchise him, then trade him. But I'm not sure what thye'd get in return. He drops too many passes and doesn't run good routes. He talks a good game though.
Franchising him would be a huge mistake. No team will give up what it takes to get him, and the Lions can't afford to have 1/2 the salary cap tied up in two WR's.Best bet is to trade him for anything you can get this season, because he's not worth the money to keep. Take a 3rd-4th round pick for him if you have to, it's better than nothing, which is what they'll get at the end of the season.
 
I just posted this in another thread:

Three way trade:

KC sends a 2nd to Detroit (It'll be a high 2nd, more than the Lions will get for RW on the open market).

Detroit sends Roy Williams to Philadelphia.

Philadelphia sends Lito Sheppard to KC.

 
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I think I'd probably ####can Marinelli straight away.
I don't know. I think you keep him because you'd likely have to promote someone internally to take his place. You'd probably want to hire someone new at the end of the season again anyway. Think of it like the mediocre pitcher in your lineup that you leave in there just to chew up innings.
plus, i just never think you accomplish much by firing a coach mid seasonjust tape the pink slip on his door when they go out for halftime for the last game of the season
OK, but what do you accomplish by waiting? Again, it seems like the question for Ford is whether or not the season is worth saving. Maybe I'm too quick to throw in the towel, here.
because if you pick a coach now you are stuck with him, or potentially stuck.If you hire a permanent coach without access to all of the good off season candidates, you are making a mistake. And what if you get your guy, and due to having no time to implement his system or policies he goes winless, that's a huge black mark to start.Conversely, what if you name an interim and he wins more games than expected. That doe snot mean he is the best person for the full time job, but you are now put in a spot o let someone go who far outperformed your old coach.the biggest thing, though, is it limits your field, and what are you going to get at best out of it. An extra 2-4 wins? big deal.wait till the off season and do a proper search and do it right, so every college coach and pro coordinator and every tv analyst and everyone is in the field of possible candidates.
 
I think I'd probably ####can Marinelli straight away.
I don't know. I think you keep him because you'd likely have to promote someone internally to take his place. You'd probably want to hire someone new at the end of the season again anyway. Think of it like the mediocre pitcher in your lineup that you leave in there just to chew up innings.
I guess the question is whether or not to basically concede the season. I know it's not even October yet, but the Lions are done. I'm not sure of the difference between starting over now and starting over in January. They simply cannot play defense and they don't appear to have the offense to score 40 points a game. Was Marinelli a defense guy in TB?
I see what you're saying. If I could find my long term guy to take over at this point in the season, I would.I'm not sure who'd be willing to do that, though.
I think Marty Schottenheimer is the perfect guy here. He gets flak but he's very good at building bad teams into good ones through good, tough fundamental play. He's the guy you want to turn a 3-win team into a 8 or 9-win team. It's pushing past that point that he struggles at, but if you're the Lions you have to crawl before you can walk.
 
wait till the off season and do a proper search and do it right, so every college coach and pro coordinator and every tv analyst and everyone is in the field of possible candidates.
No way would I even consider a college coach to take over this team. The only successful former college coach I can think of is Jimmy Johnson. It would have to either be a former head coach or an up and coming coordinator.

 
I think Marty Schottenheimer is the perfect guy here. He gets flak but he's very good at building bad teams into good ones through good, tough fundamental play. He's the guy you want to turn a 3-win team into a 8 or 9-win team. It's pushing past that point that he struggles at, but if you're the Lions you have to crawl before you can walk.
Marty'd be at the top of my list. No question.What's he doing these days?
 
wait till the off season and do a proper search and do it right, so every college coach and pro coordinator and every tv analyst and everyone is in the field of possible candidates.
No way would I even consider a college coach to take over this team. The only successful former college coach I can think of is Jimmy Johnson. It would have to either be a former head coach or an up and coming coordinator.
yeah, probablybut the point is, if you hire a coach midway through the season your pool of candidates is a lot smaller

 
I think Marty Schottenheimer is the perfect guy here. He gets flak but he's very good at building bad teams into good ones through good, tough fundamental play. He's the guy you want to turn a 3-win team into a 8 or 9-win team. It's pushing past that point that he struggles at, but if you're the Lions you have to crawl before you can walk.
Marty'd be at the top of my list. No question.What's he doing these days?
coaching in an AARP flag football league
 
I just posted this in another thread:Three way trade:KC sends a 2nd to Detroit (It'll be a high 2nd, more than the Lions will get for RW on the open market).Detroit sends Roy Williams to Philadelphia.Philadelphia sends Lito Sheppard to KC.
Rumor has it that FBG is going to start drug testing for all posters... :rant:Why would KC want Lito when they draft Flowers and B. Carr has been the most impressive player all off-season. Matter of fact, he's starting now. Makes no sense, except for the part that PHI would want Roy.
 
I just posted this in another thread:Three way trade:KC sends a 2nd to Detroit (It'll be a high 2nd, more than the Lions will get for RW on the open market).Detroit sends Roy Williams to Philadelphia.Philadelphia sends Lito Sheppard to KC.
Rumor has it that FBG is going to start drug testing for all posters... :own3d:Why would KC want Lito when they draft Flowers and B. Carr has been the most impressive player all off-season. Matter of fact, he's starting now. Makes no sense, except for the part that PHI would want Roy.
I didn't realize their corners had been playing that well. I guess I was still under the Law/Surtain impression. :rant:Nevermind.
 
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I think Marty Schottenheimer is the perfect guy here. He gets flak but he's very good at building bad teams into good ones through good, tough fundamental play. He's the guy you want to turn a 3-win team into a 8 or 9-win team. It's pushing past that point that he struggles at, but if you're the Lions you have to crawl before you can walk.
Marty'd be at the top of my list. No question.What's he doing these days?
Collecting money from the Chargers, playing golf, looking for a job for Kurt.
 
I just posted this in another thread:Three way trade:KC sends a 2nd to Detroit (It'll be a high 2nd, more than the Lions will get for RW on the open market).Detroit sends Roy Williams to Philadelphia.Philadelphia sends Lito Sheppard to KC.
Rumor has it that FBG is going to start drug testing for all posters... :wall:Why would KC want Lito when they draft Flowers and B. Carr has been the most impressive player all off-season. Matter of fact, he's starting now. Makes no sense, except for the part that PHI would want Roy.
Even that part probably isn't true. The STL and DAL games have surely convinced Reid that his "any competent WR can excel in this system" theory is right.
 
The more likely home for Roy Williams (if a trade was involved) would be either the Cowboys or the Texans. He still has strong ties to Texas.

 
Millen's wife says "You're out of football prison now' and we have a greater purpose."

Greater purpose? What does Matt plan on screwing up next?

 
I think I'd probably ####can Marinelli straight away.
I don't know. I think you keep him because you'd likely have to promote someone internally to take his place. You'd probably want to hire someone new at the end of the season again anyway. Think of it like the mediocre pitcher in your lineup that you leave in there just to chew up innings.
plus, i just never think you accomplish much by firing a coach mid seasonjust tape the pink slip on his door when they go out for halftime for the last game of the season
OK, but what do you accomplish by waiting? Again, it seems like the question for Ford is whether or not the season is worth saving. Maybe I'm too quick to throw in the towel, here.
because if you pick a coach now you are stuck with him, or potentially stuck.If you hire a permanent coach without access to all of the good off season candidates, you are making a mistake. And what if you get your guy, and due to having no time to implement his system or policies he goes winless, that's a huge black mark to start.Conversely, what if you name an interim and he wins more games than expected. That doe snot mean he is the best person for the full time job, but you are now put in a spot o let someone go who far outperformed your old coach.the biggest thing, though, is it limits your field, and what are you going to get at best out of it. An extra 2-4 wins? big deal.wait till the off season and do a proper search and do it right, so every college coach and pro coordinator and every tv analyst and everyone is in the field of possible candidates.
I think the last point is the most compelling. I guess you're not going to get a crack at decent coaches at the pro or college level in the middle of a season.
 
Who are some of the assistant coaches out there that would make good head coach candidates? Two names that I like are...

Rex Ryan - Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator

Russ Grimm - Arizona Cardinals assistant head coach/offensive line coach

(This is going to be a season long discussion, isn't it?)

 
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i like this idea from a poster on the Lions board:

"The Lions should hire Ron Wolf and Ernie Accorsi as consultants to spend the rest of the season developing team president/GM candidates and ultimately making a recommendation."

Of course Hiring Wolf as GM would be incredible, but he won't come out of retirement. i would think he wouldn't mind a fat paycheck for a few months to gather a list of candidates and serve as a consultant for the new hire.

 
As a Chief's fan, I'd like to offer Carl Peterson in trade for Roy Williams.......................................Just kidding, I couldn't do that to Lions fans. I just want

him out of Kansas City. :popcorn:

Congratulations to Lions fans.

 
I think I'd probably ####can Marinelli straight away.
I like Marinelli. The man somehow won 7 games with a team constructed by Matt Millen. He deserves some sort of medal for that.That said, he probably goes at the end of the year so the new GM can bring in his own guy, and that's ok.
 
I think I'd probably ####can Marinelli straight away.
I like Marinelli. The man somehow won 7 games with a team constructed by Matt Millen. He deserves some sort of medal for that.That said, he probably goes at the end of the year so the new GM can bring in his own guy, and that's ok.
Let's not forget that Marinelli was VERY involved in the last two drafts + FA decisions. It's not like Millen had to have every TB castoff; that was Marinelli. And how many times have we heard that they "think the same" etc... But, you are right. Moronelli and his awful staff will be gone at the end of the year and we'll have another 3-4 year "rebuilding" with the 4th oldest team in the league - while Rod goes back to being a D-line coach - maybe a DC if he's lucky.
 
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http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/...ith_50_mil.html

Millen could leave with $50 million

by Tom Kowalski

Wednesday September 24, 2008, 2:15 PM

Now that the Detroit Lions have fired Matt Millen as president, an interesting detail surfaced about his regime.

It had been widely reported that Millen made $3 million per season during his first five-year contract and then got a bump to $5 million per season for his five-year extension. According to a source close to the situation, Millen's pay has been $5 million per season from the first year he was hired (2001). Millen has already pocketed more than $35 million in his first seven-plus years and is scheduled to make $50 million for the entire 10-year term.

Because he was fired, Millen is due the total sum of that money; he would've forfeited the rest of his salary if he had resigned. What isn't known is whether Millen and owner William Clay Ford came to some kind of buyout agreement for the final two-plus years of his contract

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Millen is laughing all the way to the bank. Sure he might not ever get another job in the NFL. Then again thanks to the Lions he don't need one.

 
"The New Orleans Saints released reserve quarterback Joey Harrington on Wednesday, only five days after signing him"

Joey for GM!

He has the qualifications.

Zero experience! Sign him up 5 million a season for 5 years.

 
As a Chief's fan, I'd like to offer Carl Peterson in trade for Roy Williams.......................................Just kidding, I couldn't do that to Lions fans. I just wanthim out of Kansas City. :lmao: Congratulations to Lions fans.
Peterson is leaving KC after this season.
 
It would be awesome if Detroit cans Marinelli. Guy is an awesome coach. I would love, and I mean LOVE for him to come back to Tampa to coach the Dline.

 
Congrats Lions fans. Coming from a fellow fan of a bottom dweller team, I hope your ship gets righted. :thumbup:

Unfortunately this reminds us Raider fans that the only way we get out of the quagmire is with a death or a committal.

:kicksrock:

 

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