IF they sign Barber? Are you serious? Some of you obviously don't watch Cowboys games. Marion Barber III isn't going anywhere. Jerry Jones has retained core talent consistently. No reason to believe that they will let Barber go, but I do wonder about Julius.My guess is they will be willing to give Tyson Thompson a chance to show what he can do as RB2.
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MBIII vs. MBT (1 Viewer)
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
i don't really see how this is close: it's MBIII
barber is a beast and he have a better sense of what he can do. i can't see any reason for JJ to stay in dallas next year, so marion will be a beast of a RB on a dominant offense.
projections for turner are pure conjecture at this point. turner's ceiling is what the likely scenario for barber already is. the upside's the same and turner has more downside.
i like turner, but i like barber more for dynasty purposes.
barber is a beast and he have a better sense of what he can do. i can't see any reason for JJ to stay in dallas next year, so marion will be a beast of a RB on a dominant offense.
projections for turner are pure conjecture at this point. turner's ceiling is what the likely scenario for barber already is. the upside's the same and turner has more downside.
i like turner, but i like barber more for dynasty purposes.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Were they in the OP?At one time I would have taken Turner, but if JJ leaves next year, and Turner doesn't go to a good situation, then I would take Barber. What I mean by good situation is not only going somewhere to start, but also somewhere with a good run blocking OL. I think Barber is in a great situation, and will only get better if Jones leaves. Don't get me wrong, I love Turner also, but we don't know what situation he will be in next season.
I'm not convinced that MBIII's situation gets better in Dallas if JJ leaves. Dallas likes to mix it up, having 2 fresh RB's, and I think it is a formula they will stick with next year, regardless of who is the RB2. And I think RB2 in Dallas next year is Tyson Thompson. FWIW.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Barber would get at least a 3 to 1 carry advantage over Thompson.
Care to supply some sort of argument for that statement? Not that I disagree, but we really haven't seen a lot of TT yet.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Thompson's been around for 3 years. There doesn't seem to be anything special about Thompson that I can see. I don't think he's much of a threat to Barber, but I could be wrong.
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SSOG
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Yes, *IF* they sign Barber. Yes, I am serious. I think it's likely that they resign Barber, but this is a future event. As far as I know, none of use can see the future, so there is some uncertainty surrounding the event- hence my use of the word "if". Such as when I say "IF" Turner leaves San Diego next year. You'd think that would be a slam dunk, but I thought it'd be a slam dunk for Ladell Betts to leave Washington after his monster season last year, and that never happened. Any time you're talking about the future, the use of "if" is fully justified.With that said, I've heard rumors that the Cowboys are very enamored with Darren McFadden. Do you really think if they go get the hog that they'll re-up with Barber, too?IF they sign Barber? Are you serious?If they do, I doubt they resign Barber.I wouldnt be so sure about Barber being the only back in Dallas next year. Rumor has it the Cowboys are enamored with Darren McFadden and having Clevend's #1 pick this year they might be in position to draft him leaving MB III as the back up again.
treat88
Footballguy
Regardless of Barber's nice start, all the if's involved are exactly why in answering the dynasty question I still believe that one has to fall back on talent.Again, regardless of the current stats, I still believe Turner is the more talented back (far more) and IMO a better dynasty value. I do agree though that it is predicated on his leaving SD, which as mentioned, is as close to a slam dunk as slam dunks get, but has not yet come to fruition.Barber is obviously far more valuable this season with no discussion.Yes, *IF* they sign Barber. Yes, I am serious. I think it's likely that they resign Barber, but this is a future event. As far as I know, none of use can see the future, so there is some uncertainty surrounding the event- hence my use of the word "if". Such as when I say "IF" Turner leaves San Diego next year. You'd think that would be a slam dunk, but I thought it'd be a slam dunk for Ladell Betts to leave Washington after his monster season last year, and that never happened. Any time you're talking about the future, the use of "if" is fully justified.With that said, I've heard rumors that the Cowboys are very enamored with Darren McFadden. Do you really think if they go get the hog that they'll re-up with Barber, too?IF they sign Barber? Are you serious?If they do, I doubt they resign Barber.I wouldnt be so sure about Barber being the only back in Dallas next year. Rumor has it the Cowboys are enamored with Darren McFadden and having Clevend's #1 pick this year they might be in position to draft him leaving MB III as the back up again.
SSOG
Moderator
Why is Turner "far more" talented than Marion Barber III? Just looking at what's happening on the field, MBIII is a stud nonpareil. I think it's hard to argue that ANYONE is "far more" talented than he is, at the moment... let alone a backup whose greatest career accomplishment was rushing for 502 yards in a season.
treat88
Footballguy
Obviously Barber has put up some good/great numbers this season in terms of TD production. I don't see exceptional talent in doing so. Sorry, I think there are numbers of backs with similar physical skills that would at least duplicate his numbers in that system and in that role. That's the best why I can offer. Just my eyeball test. Again, it's just what I see.Watching Turner, admittedly, predominantly last season I saw him do things that very few other RB's can do. In terms of vision, speed, and power I think he is in an elite class. If given the opportunity I think that will translate to elite production. Given comparable circumstances (which we can't know at this point), I think Turner is the superior player.
If the question is who has put up the better numbers Barber wins hands down. There is not even a debate to be had in comparing stats to date. But that wasn't the question. It was about projecting to next season. Again, I will fall back on what I see and take what I view as the better talent in the face of the uncertain situations they both have next season. I know it is not a popular opinion with the Barber love fest going on at this point in time.
At the end of the day, I may very well be wrong. Lord knows my crystal ball has failed me on more than one occasion.
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EdwardCat
Footballguy
SSOG
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There are a number of backs that could duplicate his numbers? The dude's averaging 6.4 yards per carry!!! Julius Jones isn't a bad RB by any stretch of the imagination (probably not great, but serviceable), and he has a 3.5 ypc in the exact same system. Barber III might not look as flashy as Turner, but as I said earlier in this thread, nobody in the league makes good things happen as consistently as MBIII does.treat88 said:
King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
depends on how often the cowgirls completely abandon the run.
SSOG
Moderator
Barber = 168/837/9 (5.0 ypc) with 40/259/2 receiving
Turner = 48/235/1 (4.9 ypc) with 2/14/0 receiving
Barber is averaging a better ypc behind what is generally acknowledged as an inferior run-blocking line (or, at the least, was generally acknowledged as such before the season started). For all the questions about whether Barber can carry the load, he has essentially as many touches this season as Turner has in his career. I'm standing by what I said in the offseason.
Turner = 48/235/1 (4.9 ypc) with 2/14/0 receiving
Barber is averaging a better ypc behind what is generally acknowledged as an inferior run-blocking line (or, at the least, was generally acknowledged as such before the season started). For all the questions about whether Barber can carry the load, he has essentially as many touches this season as Turner has in his career. I'm standing by what I said in the offseason.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Otis, my man, stop with the acronyms already..do you talk to your friends like that: 'hey, I'll give you AJ and MB3 for MBT and d'will...I'll toss in huggy bear v2.0, andJwit if you add LT2 and MJD..."
Otis
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
Still feeling pretty good.
Righetti
Footballguy
so glad I got off that MBIII wagon.. then again it got me right onto that Marshawn Lynch wagon...
